ElectricBoogaloo June 17, 2018 Share June 17, 2018 Quote The team infiltrates a Nazi gala to steal an artifact known as "Die Glocke." Their operation comes undone when the French Resistance interferes and an unexpected guest arrives. Link to comment
Rhetorica June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 What a rollercoaster! From Pink to Donne... What an episode. I can't wait for next week, but dread it too. 3 Link to comment
thuganomics85 June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 OK, Cassie mowing down Nazis in a bustier was gratuitous fan service to end all gratuitous fan service, but damn, if Amanda Schull didn't pull it off! Of course, an episode involving Nazis and Hitler was going to end with Jennifer blowing them all up. Was there any other way to end it?! I wonder what Deacon and Jones got cooked-up for Miss Olivia? 10 Link to comment
Chaos Theory June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) Well this show has a new theme song. Cassie mowing down a bunch of Nazi’s in fetish fear to music no less was fan service but it worked. I know every time travel show eventually goes to Nazi Germany and talks about killing Hitler but has any actually done it? Jennifer’s line I think it was “You want to save Hitler? That’s the opposite of what you do with a time machine” was hilarious. I also liked that since they were in France there were callbacks to her time as a French singer. Even bad guy Deacon doesn’t want to be mistaken for a Nazi. Edited June 23, 2018 by Chaos Theory 4 Link to comment
CrystalMoon June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 7 hours ago, thuganomics85 said: OK, Cassie mowing down Nazis in a bustier was gratuitous fan service to end all gratuitous fan service, but damn, if Amanda Schull didn't pull it off! I actually hated that part. It felt completely ridiculous. She could've distracted them by just showing up in a ball gown. And why risk taking so much time to find the outfit, change clothes, and get back down to that area with the bell? It totally took me out of the story, and I was very disappointed in 12 Monkeys for doing that. Also, after the western ep, I was starting to roll my eyes at how every outfit they steal from someone else fits them perfectly. 5 Link to comment
bethy June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said: Jennifer’s line I think it was “You want to save Hitler? That’s the opposite of what you do with a time machine” was hilarious. I loved that, too. 26 minutes ago, CrystalMoon said: I actually hated that part. It felt completely ridiculous. She could've distracted them by just showing up in a ball gown. And why risk taking so much time to find the outfit, change clothes, and get back down to that area with the bell? It totally took me out of the story, and I was very disappointed in 12 Monkeys for doing that. Also, after the western ep, I was starting to roll my eyes at how every outfit they steal from someone else fits them perfectly. Plus one on all of this. Link to comment
thecdn June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 1 hour ago, CrystalMoon said: I actually hated that part. It felt completely ridiculous. She could've distracted them by just showing up in a ball gown. And why risk taking so much time to find the outfit, change clothes, and get back down to that area with the bell? It totally took me out of the story, and I was very disappointed in 12 Monkeys for doing that. Also, after the western ep, I was starting to roll my eyes at how every outfit they steal from someone else fits them perfectly. It's a syfy show about time travel and a crazy cult that wants to end time, and that takes you out of the story? Yes, their amazing horsemanship, marksmanship and clothes are all pretty silly. But does it matter? I'm eternally great full that the beautiful women on this show keep finding great fitting clothes. 1 4 Link to comment
Evie June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 I love that the women are so badass. LOL at Jennifer singing "U + UR Hand" to Nazis and blowing up Hitler. Of course Himmler stepped in and history didn't change much which seems about right. "I can't stand you, but I don't hate you." Aww, Cole and Deacon. Jones reading at the end made me sad; I feel like that might be the last time the family is all together. I'm starting to see how we get to Future Asshole Cole. Loving this season so much. 5 Link to comment
CrystalMoon June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 48 minutes ago, thecdn said: It's a syfy show about time travel and a crazy cult that wants to end time, and that takes you out of the story? Yes, of course. Why would I be pulled out of a story about time travel and crazy cults when that is the show I'm watching? I've already signed on for the 12 Monkey's world. The reason this particular detail didn't work for me, and I mean, it really didn't work, was because Team Splinter has generally been very pragmatic when it comes to finishing a mission. For Cassie to take the time to change into a crazy outfit like that (And it would've taken a while too. That's not just something you throw on.) just to be a distraction seemed exceedingly silly. It felt like male writers pandering to male viewers to me. Sorry, but that's how it felt as I watched it. 5 Link to comment
Chaos Theory June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) I am a female and I thought that scene was incredibly funny and fit very well with the song. A woman singing an anti patriarchy song to Hitler with another in fetish gear killing a bunch of nazi’s with a machine gun. I don’t think I have ever cheered so loud at a tv show. Edited June 23, 2018 by Chaos Theory 1 16 Link to comment
Bort June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 Same here. Cassie in lingerie mowing down Nazis while Jennifer sings U + Ur Hand was really fun to watch. Must find gifs... 1 6 Link to comment
CrystalMoon June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said: I am a female and I thought that scene was incredibly funny and fit very well with the song. A woman singing an anti patriarchy song to Hitler with another in fetish gear killing a bunch of nazi’s with a machine gun. I don’t think I have ever cheered so loud at a tv show. 17 minutes ago, kariyaki said: Same here. Cassie in lingerie mowing down Nazis while Jennifer sings U + Ur Hand was really fun to watch. Must find gifs... Oh well, maybe it just bothered me. No worries. Link to comment
bethy June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, CrystalMoon said: Oh well, maybe it just bothered me. No worries. It wasn’t just you. But to each their own. :) 1 Link to comment
thecdn June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, bethy said: It wasn’t just you. But to each their own. :) You guys are perfectly correct that it was pointless and ridiculous, besides funny. But as a guy do you think I can do anything but cheer loudly to Amanda Schull in that outfit?!?! Edited June 23, 2018 by thecdn 2 Link to comment
Zoe June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) Supposedly the outfit was a reference to this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilsa,_She_Wolf_of_the_SS Edited June 23, 2018 by Zoe 1 Link to comment
Chaos Theory June 23, 2018 Share June 23, 2018 (edited) Of course it was pointless and ridiculous but it was the best kind of pointless and ridiculous and I have watched it a dozen times now and I laugh every time. "I'm not here for your entertainment. You don't really want to mess with me tonight." I want to see a fanvid of the show made with that song now. I just think the entire scene worked on such a visceral level that I just can't stop watching it. Edited June 23, 2018 by Chaos Theory 1 6 Link to comment
Cthulhudrew June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 Cassie's distraction was utterly gratuitous. And I approve. 1 6 Link to comment
mjc570 June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Cthulhudrew said: Cassie's distraction was utterly gratuitous. And I approve. Same here/ And I am a straight, old woman 1 9 Link to comment
caws 727 June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 My favorite scene was Jones when she produced the deed and just played into that Nazi's ambitions and then right after they are let in, her "holy shit" moment with Cassie...loved it. She used her angry Season 1 Jones voice on him.... 2 Link to comment
Aliferously June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 Holy shit indeed. That opening scene was brutal. I fast forwarded the dominatrix stuff because I found it stupid gratitious. And I don't like Pink nor any of her songs. So I'm in the nay camp on that one, sorry. The rest of the episode was batshit insanity at its finest. Seriously, French has more then one word. At least teach Cole the swear words. Loved the pow wow at the end. Most of all. Is it me or does the weapon resemble a mask? 2 Link to comment
bethy June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 When was that meeting at the end? There’s electricity and a bartender? Are they still in 1941? At the Emerson? But Adler is there? Link to comment
Bort June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, bethy said: When was that meeting at the end? There’s electricity and a bartender? Are they still in 1941? At the Emerson? But Adler is there? They splintered the whole facility right next to the Emerson. I guess it still had booze? Link to comment
bethy June 24, 2018 Share June 24, 2018 That was what I assumed, but then there was electricity and what looked like an actual bartender in the background. Maybe, though, they were using the generators they scrounged earlier and it was a random scientist in the background. :) Link to comment
Cardie June 25, 2018 Share June 25, 2018 Jennifer is totally the best. I'll take her crazy one-liners over splattering people with machine guns any day. I remain convinced that she will turn out to be Cole's mother. Link to comment
Ray Adverb June 25, 2018 Share June 25, 2018 On 6/23/2018 at 9:50 AM, CrystalMoon said: I actually hated that part. It felt completely ridiculous. She could've distracted them by just showing up in a ball gown. And why risk taking so much time to find the outfit, change clothes, and get back down to that area with the bell? It totally took me out of the story, and I was very disappointed in 12 Monkeys for doing that. Also, after the western ep, I was starting to roll my eyes at how every outfit they steal from someone else fits them perfectly. I was distracted by the fact that she and Cole were on opposite sides of the room spraying bullets in the directions of each other. That's just a recipe for someone to get killed by friendly fire and it strains my suspension of disbelief that they didn't. I liked that they actually killed Hitler and it didn't change much in the end. 1941 is too late to kill Hitler anyway; WW2 was already in full swing. I like that Jones' German heritage came in useful. I wonder what a stupid bell is supposed to do. I can't wait to find out. 5 Link to comment
CrystalMoon June 25, 2018 Share June 25, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ray Adverb said: I was distracted by the fact that she and Cole were on opposite sides of the room spraying bullets in the directions of each other. That's just a recipe for someone to get killed by friendly fire and it strains my suspension of disbelief that they didn't. That bugged me as well. I handwaved it by thinking that since Cole came in a side door, he was firing in a different direction than Cassie and was out of her line of fire. But it did look like they could easily have killed each other the way they were spraying bullets. Quote I liked that they actually killed Hitler and it didn't change much in the end. 1941 is too late to kill Hitler anyway; WW2 was already in full swing. Me too! Loved that they went for it and killed Hitler. I bet the writers picked a later time period so they could do it without changing history very much. 1 Link to comment
Aliferously June 25, 2018 Share June 25, 2018 The meeting was in 1966. Hence bartender and electricity. There is always booze. I'm not sure how and when and what they eat, but they'll never perish of dehydration. 2 Link to comment
Chaos Theory June 26, 2018 Share June 26, 2018 Booze and cigarettes will outlive the apocalypse 2 Link to comment
cynic June 26, 2018 Share June 26, 2018 I love that this show is so willing to walk the edge. Yeah, sometimes they end up falling off, but imo, it pays off more often than not. I thought this episode was super fun, despite agreeing that Cassie's dom outfit was kinda eye-rolley. It wasn't enough to hurt the whole episode for me. It also wasn't enough to distract me from the cross shooting as mentioned above. Now, that was stupid. Speaking of gratuitous, what was up with Jennifer's suddenly short skirt and thigh highs showing when she was entertaining? Link to comment
CrystalMoon June 27, 2018 Share June 27, 2018 (edited) Did anyone else notice that when Jennifer goes out to talk to Cole, she says, "Monsieur? Monsieur Morris Morrison?" LOL I love this running gag about his alter ego, which she made up initially but everyone uses. Edited June 27, 2018 by CrystalMoon 3 Link to comment
Hanahope June 27, 2018 Share June 27, 2018 I was wondering how they'd get Cole to keep his face stubble going into a Nazi gala party. He fit in perfectly. So LOL at Jennifer singing Pink and the Nazi's liking it. I thought she'd try to take the professional singer's place, but sing her own stuff. YAY to blowing up Hitler, even if things didn't change much. he still deserved it. So if Himmel got in charge, did he commit suicide too? Yeah, Cassie's outfit at the end was gratuitious, but hilarious. More chuckling at the one nazi that lived, took the case, put in a fake bell, which Deacon chased down for Olivia, and then figured out the Scooby gang got it, so he helped them out. I'm glad Cole went back for him. Can't wait to see what Deacon and Jones are up to in going to Olivia. I was thinking they'd go back to 1491 (or whatever the year was), believing it to be a one-way trip. Maybe they think they can hijack Titan? I did love Jones finally getting to go on a mission herself, and her German was immensely helpful. 1 Link to comment
Netfoot June 28, 2018 Share June 28, 2018 (edited) Cassie is right. Katarina got huge brass ones! On 6/23/2018 at 1:58 AM, thuganomics85 said: Cassie mowing down Nazis in a bustier was gratuitous fan service to end all gratuitous fan service, but damn... But damn! On 6/23/2018 at 9:50 AM, CrystalMoon said: She could've distracted them by just showing up in a ball gown. Modesty Blaise preferred to remove her top entirely and flash her boobs to distract her opponents. The bustier wasn't all that radical. On 6/26/2018 at 3:45 PM, cynic said: Speaking of gratuitous, what was up with Jennifer's suddenly short skirt and thigh highs showing when she was entertaining? And singing that song while Cassie was firing an MP-40 in her underwear? Katarina: Miss Goines, you have no idea what impact that could have on the timeline! Jennifer: "Pooop!" I just love jennifer! Can they spin off a separate show for her? I feel the same way about pretty much all of them... but Jennifer is the best! Edited June 28, 2018 by Netfoot Link to comment
ElectricBoogaloo June 28, 2018 Author Share June 28, 2018 This episode was both disturbing (I just watched the latest episode of The Handmaid's Tale so the parallels between Gilead and Hitler's world were hauntingly familiar) and hilarious. The gleeful look on both Jennifer's and Deacon's faces just before she pushed that button were priceless (and who can blame them? As Jennifer pointed out, that's EXACTLY what you do with a time machine!). I also loved the expression on Jennifer's face when Madame Magnifique said that JH Bond was a talentless whore and then smashed her record. Jones was fearlessly badass when presenting those papers for the house. My reaction was the same as Cassie's. But by far the best moment in the episode was Jones, Cole, Cassie, Jennifer, Deacon, and Adler having one last drink together (although I was questioning how Adler got there and why because they must have still been in 1940 due to Deacon's tether). Jones had a newspaper about Himmler taking power which made me think it was still 1940. Years ago, I read an article where this musical theater geek put together songs from different shows (this was an actual article back in the olden days before listicles). The first time I heard the Hamilton soundtrack, I thought that The Story of Tonight was the prequel to Empty Chairs at Empty Tables (Les Misérables). They're both drinking songs but the first is before the battle and the second is after the battle. The drinking scene in this episode reminded me of that - one last drink together before even more people die. Lyrics and youtube videos under the cut for anyone who's interested! The Story of Tonight: Spoiler I may not live to see our glory But I will gladly join the fight And when our children tell our story They'll tell the story of tonight Let's have another round tonight Let's have another round tonight Let's have another round tonight Raise a glass to freedom Something they can never take away No matter what they tell you Raise a glass to the four of us Tomorrow there'll be more of us Telling the story of tonight Empty Chairs at Empty Tables: Spoiler There's a grief that can't be spoken There's a pain goes on and on Empty chairs at empty tables Now my friends are dead and gone Here they talked of revolution Here it was they lit the flame Here they sang about tomorrow And tomorrow never came From the table in the corner They could see a world reborn And they rose with voices ringing And I can hear them now The very words that they had sung Became their last communion On the lonely barricades at dawn Oh my friends, my friends, forgive me That I live and you are gone There's a grief that can't be spoken There's a pain goes on and on Phantom faces at the window Phantom shadows on the floor Empty chairs at empty tables Where my friends will meet no more Oh my friends, my friends, don't ask me What your sacrifice was for Empty chairs at empty tables Where my friends will sing no more Link to comment
Chaos Theory June 28, 2018 Share June 28, 2018 I think having everyone there for a toast was what was important. All the important “good guy” characters for a toast beefier the final stretch of episodes. Who really cares about the semantics? Link to comment
dargosmydaddy June 29, 2018 Share June 29, 2018 On 6/27/2018 at 10:47 PM, Netfoot said: Katarina: Miss Goines, you have no idea what impact that could have on the timeline! Jennifer: "Pooop!" I think she said "boop!" but either way it was hilarious. If you'd told me back in season one that Deacon and his odd quasi-friendships with several main characters (particularly Jennifer, but Cole and Jones as well) would be one of my favorite parts of the final season, I don't think I would have believed it, yet here we are... Link to comment
Netfoot June 29, 2018 Share June 29, 2018 (edited) I listened again and heard "Poop!" But you're correct either way was pure Jennifer. Edited June 29, 2018 by Netfoot Link to comment
Ray Adverb June 29, 2018 Share June 29, 2018 7 hours ago, Netfoot said: I listened again and heard "Poop!" But you're correct either way was pure Jennifer. 8 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said: I think she said "boop!" but either way it was hilarious. If you'd told me back in season one that Deacon and his odd quasi-friendships with several main characters (particularly Jennifer, but Cole and Jones as well) would be one of my favorite parts of the final season, I don't think I would have believed it, yet here we are... On 6/27/2018 at 10:47 PM, Netfoot said: Katarina: Miss Goines, you have no idea what impact that could have on the timeline! Jennifer: "Pooop!" I just love jennifer! Can they spin off a separate show for her? I feel the same way about pretty much all of them... but Jennifer is the best! Strange. The first time I watched I heard "Laurel" but then the second time she was clearly saying "Yanny". I liked that they were in a foreign country and people were actually speaking the native languages of that country. Movies and TV always have people in every part of the world inexplicably speaking English. 7 Link to comment
Chaos Theory June 29, 2018 Share June 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ray Adverb said: I liked that they were in a foreign country and people were actually speaking the native languages of that country. Movies and TV always have people in every part of the world inexplicably speaking English. Well Barbara Sukowa is German how can you not have her speek German to a Nazi. It would be an unforgivable sin. Emily Hampshire is Canadian so she might actually speek French but don’t quote me on that one. Link to comment
CrystalMoon June 29, 2018 Share June 29, 2018 I had closed captioning on, and they said Jennifer said "Boop!" For what that's worth. 1 Link to comment
Bort June 29, 2018 Share June 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Chaos Theory said: Emily Hampshire is Canadian so she might actually speek French but don’t quote me on that one. Emily is from Montreal, which makes it extremely likely that she knows French. 1 Link to comment
cynic June 30, 2018 Share June 30, 2018 I loved hearing Jones and Jennifer show off their linguistic skills. I was wondering why they didn't have Cassie speak French. She spoke French in the Haiti episode. It didn't sound super fluent to my ears, but I wouldn't really know. I was wondering if Cassie was supposed to be fluent and the actress just isn't or if the character was supposed to be at that level or if I just have the wrong impression completely. Link to comment
Aliferously June 30, 2018 Share June 30, 2018 I am glad we never got to hear Cassie's abysmal French ever again. Because that's the only word that ever comes to mind when watching that scene. Loved the linguistics too. It's generally a tv show brownie point for me. Link to comment
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