Spoilers and Speculation: Clink Boom and Cheese Fondue

[TeeVee329]

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Nathan: Involved in solving a major police case. He will make a discovery that has personal ramifications for him

Nathan couldn't solve a Highlights crossword puzzle.

But are they looping back to his paternity with this discovery?

Edited April 18, 2017 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

I was thinking Maxie. But maybe you're right.

[dubbel zout]

7 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

But are they looping back to his paternity with this discovery?

It's been, what, two years since we last heard anything? Nathan's father is hardly an issue worth returning to. We don't see him much with the family we know he has. Plus, I NEVER CARED.

[TeeVee329]

Maybe Oracle42 is right.  A Claudette return would also have a "personal ramification" for Nathan as it would make his marriage to Maxie invalid.

[LexieLily]

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May sweeps = Laura's journey with Tracy helps her re-evaluate the important things in her life, including Kevin #GH #KevLaur

Can we be cautiously optimistic that they might be getting a story? Perhaps taking a step forward in their relationship?

[ulkis]

8 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It's been, what, two years since we last heard anything? Nathan's father is hardly an issue worth returning to. We don't see him much with the family we know he has. Plus, I NEVER CARED.

True, but they should make clear he's not related to them anyway.

26 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Why is Sonny doing anything during Tracy's last week?

At least Sonny is not doing Tracy?

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Wk of 5/1 Anna gets closer to learning Valentin's secret #GH

Fuck me, there's another Valentin secret? The first one was bad enough!

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

At least Sonny is not doing Tracy?

It's the little things.

[IWantCandy71]

6 hours ago, ulkis said:

I really wish there was a way to know how popular Julexis really is. 

As much as I take shots at Julian, I don't really care about the Julexis relationship either way. I just don't really feel it was worth saving after that mess, but I dunno. Like I said I wish there was a way to really know how well-liked they are. Alexis sitting there gasping and sobbing while Julian stands there shirtless feels like a good summary of the relationship to me though.

I think they're gross, and  I think their Twitter fans, much like the Twitter fans of JaSam and Friz, are two fries short of a happy meal. I can't pretend to care if any of the six of them get airtime or stories when the fanbases are slinging insults the way they do. It's really sad and pathetic. But are those said three couples the most popular on Twitter for GH? Probably. But....let's step back and look at the "couples" GH gives us. It isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. If the writers put Julexis back together, I do think it's partly because the "Julexis Army" scares them. I don't scare easily, and quite frankly, they mostly give me the heebie jeebies.

[FilmTVGeek80]

44 minutes ago, IWantCandy71 said:

I think they're gross, and  I think their Twitter fans, much like the Twitter fans of JaSam and Friz, are two fries short of a happy meal. I can't pretend to care if any of the six of them get airtime or stories when the fanbases are slinging insults the way they do. It's really sad and pathetic. But are those said three couples the most popular on Twitter for GH?

 

I don't think it's necessary to insult their fans (pairings like Friz and Julexis are gross and I don't understand the fans seeing their appeal - well I see it with Julexis since I had been a fan til the minor issue of Julian's attempted murder of his wife - but liking them doesn't make their fans crazy) but I do blame the fans of pairings like Julexis as much as I blame the writers for why they insist on leaving these characters together. We can wonder how the writers can have Julian do what he did to Alexis and then think they can just throw them back together and, part of the reason is, some fans eat that crap up and don't care how dysfunctional the pairing is. It's sort of like a recently elected orange tinted sub-human. You can wonder how it gets away with the things it says and does, but then you realize part of it is because of its supporters making excuses and willing to let it get away with murder. So, I won't throw all the blame on TIIC.

Fans of pairings like Julexis, like Sonny & Carly, like Days' Sami & EJ always like to throw around the excuse "Well, who cares that he raped her/stabbed her/drugged her, etc. Luke raped Laura." I tend to think that's a bullshit rationale given the pairings entire history, but maybe instead L&L being used to excuse those pairings, they should be blamed. On the one hand, I think it's great when producers/writers see when a pairing is unexpectedly working (or not working) or when a story is working or not working, and instead of stubbornly sticking to their plan, they change course. It's also good for them to take fans' opinions somewhat into account because without fans there wouldn't be a show anymore. But sometimes they really need to take a stand and realize that their needs to be a line in the sand. When it comes to pairings, chemistry isn't the be all, end all and there are some stories you can't take back.

I think in this day and age with ratings they way they are and most soaps hanging on by a thread, most TPTB seem to be scared of pissing off certain fans and are willing to do almost anything to keep certain fanbases happy.

[IWantCandy71]

After unfortunately seeing some of the awful things they say to and about each other on Twitter and other places...I  see it as the truth for some of them. When you are threatening a real person over a fictional couple, there's nothing more to say than "you might want to seek professional help". You have now crossed a line that there is no justification for as far as I'm concerned.

Apologies out there to anyone who is a fan of any of those, who does not do that. I realize not all of them are like that, and I should not have made that generalization. I will say that something good has come of it. I no longer search the GH tag on Twitter. I try to specifically only look for mentions of characters I give two squats about, but that doesn't always work.

Edited April 19, 2017 by IWantCandy71

[OnceSane]

Back on topic, please.

[FilmTVGeek80]

12 minutes ago, IWantCandy71 said:

After unfortunately seeing some of the awful things they say to and about each other on Twitter and other places...I  see it as the truth for some of them. When you are threatening a real person over a fictional couple, there's nothing more to say than "you might want to seek professional help". You have now crossed a line that there is no justification for as far as I'm concerned.

 

Oh, I agree! There are some truly righteous nutters on Twitter but I think that's how it's always been. There are pockets of crazy fans everywhere.

[jsbt]

Julexis have to be moderately popular at best. They're a twitter thing and it's always been manufactured and soft. If they were really solid gold Frank would not have tried to end them or oust deVry several times.

The problem is that the show is so weakened and in such a meager place overall that any kind of negligible success is seized upon by some (like folks at the network) as necessary to be preserved and promoted at all costs, so they keep trying to pull Julexis out of the toilet and shine it up. It's pathetic. Guza is a lot of things and I'm not advocating for his return at all, but if he was around Julian would be landfill tomorrow - he wouldn't care.

The Kiki/Dillon thing is the same. On a good day they're moderately diverting at best despite both being matching Barbie and Ken dolls and their characters mostly being a collective void. But because a handful of people on Twitter like them this severely diminished show tries to bend over backwards.

Edited April 19, 2017 by jsbt

[IWantCandy71]

I don't see anyone bending over backwards for Killon at all. But as was already said, it's off topic, so. *shrug*

[jsbt]

Not seeing how Julian and Alexis' reunion is off-topic given the new promo on the last page (or the recent gratuitous promo for Kiki and Dillon re: them, lack of story and all), but they don't pay me the big bucks

Edited April 19, 2017 by jsbt

[TeeVee329]

Well I can't blame people for latching onto Kiki/Dillon when the alternative was Kiki/Morgan.  But these writers clearly don't know what to do with them now that they're a couple, given that their big May sweeps storyline is Kiki's education/career ambitions causing issues between them.

[peachmangosteen]

18 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

But these writers clearly don't know what to do with them now that they're a couple, given that their big May sweeps storyline is Kiki's education/career ambitions causing issues between them.

I don't hate that idea in general, but I'm sure it'll be horrible because everything these writers do is lol.

Edited April 19, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[TeeVee329]

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[Dr. Michael Easton] finds out Griffin is his new supervisor and he's not happy.

Brad tries to sabotage [Dr. Michael Easton].

Shut up, Dr. Michael Easton.  You practiced medicine while on drugs (and maybe also stole drugs from the hospital, I don't remember), having someone supervise you is not a big deal.

And a continued UGH at the show's use of Brad as a Big Bad in this situation.

Edited April 19, 2017 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

Speaking of pairings and spoilers, Apparently from one of the articles in SOD people are speculating that Ava and Griffin are going to be a couple, which . . . what in the hell? Griffin is always deriding Claudette but Ava will be an okay option? 

I don't think they're doing any particular favors for Dillon/Kiki . . . I think they're doing it for Kiki. If people hadn't liked Dillon/Kiki I think he might have been ousted already. With JE's retirement I'm wondering if they aren't going to try some Nelle/Kiki/Michael triangle. 

[peachmangosteen]

6 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Shut up, Dr. Michael Easton.  You practiced medicine while on drugs (and maybe also stole drugs from the hospital, I don't remember), having someone supervise you is not a big deal.

He did, indeed. He told Monica he stole drugs from the hospital when he wad confessing.

3 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Speaking of pairings and spoilers, Apparently from one of the articles in SOD people are speculating that Ava and Griffin are going to be a couple, which . . . what in the hell? Griffin is always deriding Claudette but Ava will be an okay option? 

LMAO! I wanna see this because it's so bad.

[TeeVee329]

Pairing Griffin with Ava again speaks to the lopsided age groups that make up the canvas.

7 minutes ago, ulkis said:

I don't think they're doing any particular favors for Dillon/Kiki . . . I think they're doing it for Kiki. If people hadn't liked Dillon/Kiki I think he might have been ousted already. With JE's retirement I'm wondering if they aren't going to try some Nelle/Kiki/Michael triangle. 

Wasn't there some random bits about Nelle bitching about Kiki behind her back and Kiki informing Nelle about her history with Michael?  I could see that coming back into play eventually.  Meanwhile, will the show just continue to ignore the angle of Michael and Dillon being cousins?

[ulkis]

I mean, MW is only 10 years older than MC . . . no one would say anything about the age difference (probably not) if Griffin started dating Kiki . . . but my hang-up is unless they are majorly going to reform Ava I dunno how this pairing will work. But maybe the speculation is wrong.

4 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

Wasn't there some random bits about Nelle bitching about Kiki behind her back and Kiki informing Nelle about her history with Michael? 

I'm not sure about the latter but yeah Nelle was a bit snarky towards Kiki in one episode.

[TeeVee329]

Well I guess the argument would be that Ava is a later-day Claudette, who apparently is the type of lady Griffin likes to abandon his priestly vows for.

And I'm not bothered by the age difference per say, but it does speak to the fact that there is no female characters in Griffin's immediate age range with whom to pair him.  There's forever wived up Lulu, off-screen Maxie, and non-entities like Amy 2.0 and Valerie.  There's room for a new female character there like, I dunno, SERENA FUCKIN' BALDWIN AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH.

And what happened to the tease about him with Liz?  That's just over?  Are the writers that gaga about Liz/Franco/that scared of alienating those fans?

Edited April 19, 2017 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

8 minutes ago, ulkis said:

my hang-up is unless they are majorly going to reform Ava I dunno how this pairing will work

I can't see Griffin being attracted to Ava even if they do reform her. Their personalities are a total mismatch to me, and not in an opposites-attract fashion.

2 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

And what happened to the tease about him with Liz?  That's just over?  Are the writers that gaga about Liz/Franco/that scared of alienating those fans?

I know. I want Griffin/Elizabeth, but that will never happen.

[peachmangosteen]

I still think it's so weird they bothered to feature Griffin/Liz in that big promo and then just did literally nothing with them. I think it's probably a combo of FV's RoHo obsession and the fear of Franco/Liz's vocal (but I'm guessing quite small) fanbase.

Edited April 19, 2017 by peachmangosteen

[Oracle42]

Well, I think FV knows that those Liz fans are all that's keeping Franco viable and they'd abandon Friz in a heartbeat if there was a better option for her

Edited April 19, 2017 by Oracle42

[dubbel zout]

Griffin is a better option! But he's not played by Soap Legend Roger Howarth.

[TeeVee329]

A doctor and a nurse becoming a couple on a show called "General Hospital"?

Surely you jest.

[dubbel zout]

I don't jest, and stop calling me Shirley.

[WendyCR72]

Eh, depending on how talks go down, many - if not all - of these spoilers may be moot/void soon if yet another Writers' Strike comes to pass. Which is looking like a real possibility. I sincerely wonder if that will kill soaps outright as they barely managed to rally after 2008. And many soaps after the last strike ended up folding. (AMC, ATWT, GL, OLTL)

Makes me wonder - should this occur - who will be writing this time. No doubt they'll suck, but suck as much as Altman/Passanante? It scares me to think about.

[peachmangosteen]

I welcome a writer's strike in this instance because maybe it'll be better than the utter shit we're getting now. How could it be worse?! Although I feel like I said that about Jelly in relation to RC and look how that turned out. General Hospital: It can always get worse!

[OnceSane]

34 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

General Hospital: It can always get worse!

T-shirt!

[ulkis]

2 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I welcome a writer's strike in this instance because maybe it'll be better than the utter shit we're getting now. How could it be worse?! 

I can think of several ways in which it can be worse lol.

[Asp Burger]

NLG is a soap veteran/lifer, and while her history of making ill-considered statements has been well documented and she's taken heat for things, the flip side is that she stays close to her fans, and she has a lot of them.

So most of her significant pairings are reasonably popular. There were a lot of Sexis fans. I don't know if this is still a thing in whichever magazines are still publishing, but back in 2001-02, Sexis remained one of the most popular couples in the reader rankings well before and well after it was really happening. Alexis/Ric was popular too, as was Alexis/Jerry. The Alexis die-hards like her best with a guy who is young/hot or a guy who boosts her profile on the show.  They're not as much on board when she's with someone safe/dull (Ned, Mac) or irrelevant (Big Cameron).  

My suspicion is that Julian is just along for the ride. However, he's the kind of Alexis love interest who succeeds with the NLG fan base. He doesn't age her and keep her on the sidelines, there's conflict built in because he's involved in bad things, and he's not hard to look at.  

[FilmTVGeek80]

1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

They're not as much on board when she's with someone safe/dull (Ned, Mac) or irrelevant (Big Cameron).  

 

I think you might have forgotten about her relationship with Sean. Forgotten or chose to ignore and with either option, I don't blame you. 

While they didn't have a huge fanbase, especially considering they never even got together, I think there were a lot of people who thought at least the idea of Alexis and Mac could have been cute.

[Badsamaritan]

20 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Well I guess the argument would be that Ava is a later-day Claudette, who apparently is the type of lady Griffin likes to abandon his priestly vows for.

And I'm not bothered by the age difference per say, but it does speak to the fact that there is no female characters in Griffin's immediate age range with whom to pair him.  There's forever wived up Lulu, off-screen Maxie, and non-entities like Amy 2.0 and Valerie.  There's room for a new female character there like, I dunno, SERENA FUCKIN' BALDWIN AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH.

And what happened to the tease about him with Liz?  That's just over?  Are the writers that gaga about Liz/Franco/that scared of alienating those fans?

My spec is that, they have no one else to pair RoHo with on canvas if they break up Fiz, so Becky is stuck with him for the time being. He's already been through Carly and Ninugh, the only other female characters close to his age range would be Ava or Hayden. Since he & Ava already have history as well - and Uncle Frank's love of MW appears to be waning - so that leaves Hayden. Who is currently stuck on ME propping duty.

While I loathe the character of Liez, Becky Herbst doesn't deserve to have that albatross hung around her neck. I kinda wish she'd pull a Stafford and tell Uncle Frank to go fuck himself and she won't do another scene with RoHo's greasy, rapist murderhobo ass.

[IWantCandy71]

When are they gonna cut their losses and just pair Ava with Scott? I love Scott, and don't want that, but he's been her best option, unless they revisit Ava/Franco.

[Oracle42]

Same reason that RoHo is paired with BH and ME is paired with Rebecca Budig character, Scott isn't young/hot/important enough to be paired with one of FV's characters. That's why they were attempting that crap with Ava/Nik. 

A real story with Ava/Scott is still the only thing that would ever make that mess of a character worthwhile

Edited April 21, 2017 by Oracle42

[peachmangosteen]

13 hours ago, ulkis said:

I can think of several ways in which it can be worse lol.

I don't actually care so much if it gets worse as long as it's the kind of bad I like. The bigger problem for me would be if it got more boring, which seems like an impossible feat considering how dreadfully boring it is now.

[TeeVee329]

Phew, it's not Amy 2.0 that Lucy allies with, it's Dante:

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#GH - Lucy enlists Dante's help. {May 3}

[TheMediaHo]

Okay, so does this make Hayden Barnes the first Jewish character on GH since Jake Meyer? If so, that's quite a timespan.

[Oracle42]

4 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I don't actually care so much if it gets worse as long as it's the kind of bad I like. The bigger problem for me would be if it got more boring, which seems like an impossible feat considering how dreadfully boring it is now.

I would love it if the PP staff ended up just wholesale replacing most* of the existing writers.

And speaking of PP,  FV should be embarrassed that the sets on an internet soap look better than the sets he's using on a network soap

 

*I'd keep Korte and Hall but I haven't seen much worth keeping from the others

Edited April 20, 2017 by Oracle42

[stlbf]

1 hour ago, TheMediaHo said:

Okay, so does this make Hayden Barnes the first Jewish character on GH since Jake Meyer? If so, that's quite a timespan.

What? No love for Sonny's accountants? The late Benny and his twin brother.

[Darklazr]

On 4/18/2017 at 11:16 AM, Oracle42 said:

Carly/Sonny never should have been reunited but that was another of RC's terrible decisions.

But this shit with Alexis/Julian is incomprehensible to me. She was on his side. She was willing to risk her license for him and he tried to murder her. He took the knife that she'd seem her mother murdered with and tried to slit her damn throat with it. And even if he was being "forced" to do it? It never, for one second, occurred to him to tell her, to make her a partner in keeping her daughter safe instead of a victim. What the shit is this?

Why do these shitty HWs think attempting to murder your spouse is no big deal?. They did the same crap with Hayden/Nik. These women were visibly afraid for their lives and Jelly treat it like it's sexytimes foreplay.

How exactly did we reach a point where Guza treated violence against women with more thought and sensitivity than two female head writers? 

It think RC was the one writing Nik putting the hit out on HateChel and not Jelly.

[Oracle42]

Yeah, but Jelly had them in a relationship afterwards. RC just threw her into a coma

[jsbt]

They can hire any PP writers that are available AFAIC, but I doubt those folks would go fi-core.

[TeeVee329]

Next week's TV Source spoilerzzzzzzzzzzzzz: http://tvsourcemagazine.com/2017/04/general-hospital-spoilers-april-24-28-2017-edition/

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Look for some familiar faces from her past to help guide her [Tracy's] future.

Outside of (gag) Luke, what other familiar faces could they have gotten?

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Ava is plagued by a guilty conscience and regret for what happened to Morgan. Look for the femme fatale to make a surprising new connection with someone who could set her on the right path.

Again with the pacing.  Ava switching Morgan's pills happened MONTHS ago, but NOW she feels overbearing guilty and regretful? 

And there's the chem test with Griffin.  So weird.

[HeatLifer]

<3

[ulkis]

Frank's in that picture. Disqualified!

Edited April 21, 2017 by ulkis

[ulkis]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

And there's the chem test with Griffin.  So weird.

I'll be very surprised if the Griff/Ava thing doesn't fall flat on it's face. I don't think Morgan/Ava were that popular overall and Griffin, even though he's older than Morgan, is very handsome in a clean cut way and a solemn, upstanding guy. Morgan was a scruffy obnoxious werewolf.