S03.E07: Over Troubled Water

[WendyCR72]

Dr. Charles feels pressure when Dr. Choi and Dr. Manning criticize his medical decision regarding an ill newborn baby. Dr. Rhodes comes to terms with his relationship issues. Goodwin helps Bert understand Lyla's sickness.

[starri]

21 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Dr. Manning criticize his medical decision regarding an ill newborn baby

DRINK!

[statsgirl]

Why is the psychiatrist making medical decisions about a newborn? Don't they have neonatologists there?  Or at least paediatricians?

[notcreative enough]

At the risk of sounding dumb but why does the baby need to be with his mother to feel better. I know Natalie said something about feeling the mothers heartbeat but couldn't any woman's heartbeat work/skin to skin contact work? I know a baby can recognize voices they hear I the womb. But what if this was a birth mother vs biological mother heroin wouldn't be a factor but who would be the right "mother"

[statsgirl]

That was horrible.  Genuinely horrible, not just Connor/Ava horrible although I did have to fast forward all their scenes.  Did Connor do a 180 impossibly fast or did I miss something?  I really hope they're not going to hook him up with Ava.

The Worst was the mother/baby story. If the baby was so sick, why wasn't he in the NICU?  Also while skin-to-skin contact helps babies, it doesn't have to be with the birth mother.  "I don't know what to do for him" says April. "How about picking him up and holding him instead of just leaving him lying there to cry" respond I.

Choi was just heartless. But Charles was worse, having convinced the mother that only she can save her son, he doesn't prepare her for the fact that she's going to have to give him up because they've called Child Services.  Anyone want to bet there she's going to go home and do more drugs because she was so devastated?

Reese got slightly better but she still loses points for immediately deciding that the other psychiatrist has nothing to teach her and going back for Charles based on emotions not logic.

Natalie was somewhat okay except with her "It has to be the birth mother!" freak.  And why is Halstead sneaking out in the middle of the night so Owen doesn't see him? Owen isn't even 2 years old yet; he's not going to remember any of this.

Goodwin/Bert/dying woman wasn't too bad but I was too turned off by the rest of the show to pay enough attention.

[Guildford]

OMG....I have no words.....

[Netfoot]

Well, I knew Connor/Ava were inevitable, but I didn't think it would happen at the speed of light!  

Will someone please shoot Charles (again, fatally this time) and put me out of my misery?  Because watching him being sanctified again and again just makes me want to puke up the brown ring!  

If that's how he buys a car, then given the car he is buying, I'd have to say that he gets paid far too much money for someone so stupid.

[starri]

Well, there went the "No, see, Becker actually is a real person and not an inhuman monster" portion of the program, right on schedule.

[GalvDuck]

I agree, that was an awful episode.  It felt like filler for the rest of the season.  Oh, we need a non-sweeps episode with just some weird, nonsensical medical stuff and patient-physician relationships that don't make sense.  Here....how's this?  

Reading some other posts here, I'm beginning to think I must be in the minority as a Reese fan.  She's got her flaws, but so do the rest of them.  But I like her (and Rachel DiPillo).  

[starri]

26 minutes ago, GalvDuck said:

Reading some other posts here, I'm beginning to think I must be in the minority as a Reese fan.

We can be a minority of two.  I would like her more if they gave her better storylines, but that's true of just about all of the characters save Maggie and Goodwin at this point.

Although realistically, she actually should be rotating between different attendings, not just following Charles as he seems to be exclusively the hospital's Consult and Liaison attending, whereas this Doctor Chapman was inpatient.  I mean, we did see her doing a month with Abrams, although he's a neurosurgeon, not a neurologist, so that's not quite accurate.

[Netfoot]

1 hour ago, starri said:

I would like her more if they gave her better storylines...

...and stopped making her worship the very TP that Charles wipes his butt with.

[statsgirl]

I don't dislike Reese.  I just think that psychiatry is the wrong place for her by a mile. She should be in emergency medicine or neurology and I think Charles has the responsibility as her attending to either do what it takes to make her a good psychiatrist or move her into a specialty that suits her better and protects her potential future psych patients.

13 hours ago, Netfoot said:

If that's how he buys a car, then given the car he is buying, I'd have to say that he gets paid far too much money for someone so stupid.

Family money. Which he was unwilling to use before this but proximity to Ava Becker makes him both stupid and masochistic.

[Texasmom1970]

What was that crap with Connor and Ava. Show please don’t try to half ass copy one of the best episodes of “House!” 

[cathmed]

On 1/17/2018 at 4:51 AM, Guildford said:

OMG....I have no words.....

+1

[cathmed]

On 1/17/2018 at 9:05 AM, Netfoot said:

Well, I knew Connor/Ava were inevitable, but I didn't think it would happen at the speed of light!  

Will someone please shoot Charles (again, fatally this time) and put me out of my misery?  Because watching him being sanctified again and again just makes me want to puke up the brown ring!  

If that's how he buys a car, then given the car he is buying, I'd have to say that he gets paid far too much money for someone so stupid.

I didn't know anything about Mekkia Cox being on another show (until this board) but as soon as they introduced Ava, I could clearly see where the storyline was going; no surprise at all.    And yeah, Connor really didn't know what type of car it was?  Seriously?!!  Just, ooohhh, it looks "manly" or whatever?  As soon as it panned to the car front, I knew exactly what it was.   So, with saving the fireman who "still have my life", that's what made Connor realize it was time to let Robyn go?  And you forget your girlfriend, with a new car, and move on after he'd just said "I'm not giving up because I love your daughter"?   Ava's snarky remark at the beginning--when he asked her to cover--was uncalled for.  

But I said it last week when they showed the previews for the coming week - the fact that Ava said, "Dr. Rhodes made the right call" and he looked at her, you could see it coming from miles.  So yep, they'll now zip around in his new Porsche!

I don't even want to talk about Manstead except to say, I agree with another poster.   Why is Halstead sneaking out?   The baby has no idea who he is!!   Maggie will get together with Barry; Reese back with Dr. Charles.  Choi/April will reach out to his sister or was that just a one-time mention and will be forgotten.   Speaking of being forgotten - I'm not sure what the purpose was to bring back Bert and girlfriend.   He's crying uncontrollably over someone he knew for 2-3 months and yet left his wife after 30-40 years without so much of a "see ya"?   And the gf tells lthe ex to "be there for Bert?  Pul-leeze, give me a break.  The writing is going downhill faster than you can say "Incoming"!!

[starri]

12 hours ago, Texasmom1970 said:

What was that crap with Connor and Ava. Show please don’t try to half ass copy one of the best episodes of “House!” 

ER as well. 

[cathmed]

On 1/17/2018 at 10:27 AM, starri said:

We can be a minority of two.  I would like her more if they gave her better storylines, but that's true of just about all of the characters save Maggie and Goodwin at this point.

Although realistically, she actually should be rotating between different attendings, not just following Charles as he seems to be exclusively the hospital's Consult and Liaison attending, whereas this Doctor Chapman was inpatient.  I mean, we did see her doing a month with Abrams, although he's a neurosurgeon, not a neurologist, so that's not quite accurate.

I never understood why she went into psychiatry.   It seemed she was pressured into it by Dr. Charles and it definitely doesn't suit her.  Maybe it's the eway they developed her--at first, she seemed to be the golden girl and now mistakes galore.  Make up your mind, writers!!!!  

[statsgirl]

She went into psychiatry because Dr. Charles offered her a position. Although I think we're supposed to think that she was also so wowed by him that she wanted to be his student.

Reese started out wanting to be in pathology and not working with live patients at all.  (That should have been our first clue.) But after her ER rotation, she decided that she didn't want to work in pathology at all but wanted to help real people.  However, she had already been matched into the pathology residency and when she turned that down, there was no place for her to go to since all the ER residencies had been filled.  So she left altogether and worked as a barista. (That should have been our second clue -- why not take the pathology slot and move somewhere else later when a spot came up? At least she'd be working as a doctor.)  Dr. Charles found her working at the coffee shop and said that he had an opening for a psychiatric resident and she should take it.

Edited January 19, 2018 by statsgirl

[starri]

She had (I repeat "HAD") the best relationship with Charles while she was still a student, better than she did with any of the other doctors.  I can see why she'd want to work with him.

But she didn't quite lock into Path when she discovered that she liked the ED.  She was waffling and was leaning towards EM, but the death of a patient made her skitter back to Path, a move she regretted as soon as she got her Match letter.  Which are more Match emails these days, so I don't know what was up with that.

[JustS]

I think I'm in the minority, but I enjoyed this episode, while admitting it was a bit of a filler.

I do have to admit I rolled my eyes Goodwin's ex-husband's girlfriend  told her "I know he didn't do right by you, but be there for him." Please. 

As for Reese, it's blatantly obvious she's not a good fit for psychiatry. I hope the writers have Charles remove her, but I think there's no chance of that. 

I hate the Ava character. I don't mind Connor having another romance after Robin. It's that Ava is rude. Her comments are not only unprofessional, but at times even cruel. Her talent in the OR doesn't make her character even remotely likable. 

Edited January 19, 2018 by JustS
Misspelled word.

[kgg]

On 1/18/2018 at 7:39 PM, statsgirl said:

She went into psychiatry because Dr. Charles offered her a position. Although I think we're supposed to think that she was also so wowed by him that she wanted to be his student.

Reese started out wanting to be in pathology and not working with live patients at all.  (That should have been our first clue.) But after her ER rotation, she decided that she didn't want to work in pathology at all but wanted to help real people.  However, she had already been matched into the pathology residency and when she turned that down, there was no place for her to go to since all the ER residencies had been filled.  So she left altogether and worked as a barista. (That should have been our second clue -- why not take the pathology slot and move somewhere else later when a spot came up? At least she'd be working as a doctor.)  Dr. Charles found her working at the coffee shop and said that he had an opening for a psychiatric resident and she should take it.

Thanks for that summary!  I think I missed a huge chunk of the first season so the barista stuff is news to me!  I didn't know that she matched into pathology.  Once you match, it's really hard to up and leave your program - and harder still to transition to another one, especially before you are supposed to start.  When a med student certifies their rank list, they're basically signing a contract that says "I will work at any place I put on my rank list."  But that's probably the least egregious mistake this show makes.  

[Quark]

I thought it was a good episode.

Whilst Ava has definitely been toned down a lot since she started, I still really dislike her.

[SnarkySheep]

On 1/16/2018 at 11:14 PM, statsgirl said:

And why is Halstead sneaking out in the middle of the night so Owen doesn't see him? Owen isn't even 2 years old yet; he's not going to remember any of this.

This. I could understand if it was a five-year-old, but Owen is too little to understand why Will's there.

Also, Will made mention of hating to scrape ice off his windshield; yet just last spring, he needed Connor to drive him to his dad's house because he had to sell his car for cash. Has Will's financial situation magically improved, or do I just remember more details than the people who wrote them in the first place?

[RedbirdNelly]

Reese really needs to go back to pathology. I don't hate her but she is a big "NO" for psychiatry.

This episode seemed especially odd to me--like everyone had to have some sudden insight based on an experience in the previous hour. And some of those insights didn't really make sense to me at all. It would make more sense for Connor to next diagnosed with the same thing Robyn had . . . he's making spontaneous decisions!

What kind of jerk ex-husband keeps bringing his girlfriend in and why do they keep Goodwin in the loop? very weird. I did like her at the end saying she needed to tell their kids so they could support their dad. That's appropriate. Girl friend asking Goodwin to look after him is not.

[SnarkySheep]

On 1/22/2018 at 1:25 PM, RedbirdNelly said:

I did like her at the end saying she needed to tell their kids so they could support their dad. That's appropriate. Girl friend asking Goodwin to look after him is not.

Girlfriend telling Goodwin that smacked of condescension to me...and since overall she was a nice person, that really didn't make sense IMO. 

And yes, we keep hearing about other hospitals being close by, specifically the infamous Mercy. Couldn't they have taken Lyla there?

[TVForever]

Good on Goodwin for keeping things professional in the face of her ex-husband's complete lack of class. And as far as Lyla goes, I'm not sure I ever wanted to smack a dying woman before; I'm pretty sure this was the first time. Did she really form her lips to tell Goodwin that Bert was really a good guy, and to ask her to take care of him after her death? Once again, good on Goodwin for saying nothing, instead of what I imagine any woman in her spot would have to have been thinking.

Help me with one thing that I can't remember: Did Bert leave Goodwin to be with Lyla, or was she just coincidentally his first girlfriend after leaving his marriage?

[RedbirdNelly]

12 minutes ago, TVForever said:

 Did she really form her lips to tell Goodwin that Bert was really a good guy, and to ask her to take care of him after her death? Once again, good on Goodwin for saying nothing, instead of what I imagine any woman in her spot would have to have been thinking.

 

It was so out of line. It was so weird to insist on going to that one hospital--it wasn't like Lyla was a patient of some specialist that is only there; she just hung out in the ER.

[Lyanna19]

Must be nice to have a lot of money...

This show is turning into a soap opera! The girlfriend telling the ex-wife to look after the the husband? I rolled my eyes too! That was incredibly lame.

Connor and Ava please please no, now you try to make her nice after all these shows where she's just been a complete B****? Do the writers think we the viewers are stupid or something?

Maggie give him a chance please, yes ppl can and do change...

The incident with the baby was pretty stupid, are there no intelligent doctors around? Or should I say writers? 

[torqy]

55 minutes ago, Lyanna19 said:

This show is turning into a soap opera!

 

Turning into? It has been for a while.

[debraran]

On 1/17/2018 at 10:27 AM, starri said:

We can be a minority of two.  I would like her more if they gave her better storylines, but that's true of just about all of the characters save Maggie and Goodwin at this point.

Although realistically, she actually should be rotating between different attendings, not just following Charles as he seems to be exclusively the hospital's Consult and Liaison attending, whereas this Doctor Chapman was inpatient.  I mean, we did see her doing a month with Abrams, although he's a neurosurgeon, not a neurologist, so that's not quite accurate.

I like her but the writers make her too shaky for a resident (not med student)and the "deer in the headlight" look she has a lot in the past gets tiring.  I know it's a show with limited cast, but she shouldn't be just with Dr Charles and are there no other psych docs in that huge hospital?  I occasionally hear him mention an associate which makes me thankful the whole CM population isn't on his shoulders. ; )

I think we've learned about other characters backgrounds more, we know Reese is rich, well her parents are, she was a hard worker, hacked a "play newborn" doll in high school because she too busy to take care of it (lol) and doesn't feel maternal, but there are a lot of blanks to fill in. Other characters on the show have more depth.

I read on a character bio, Dr Charles was married 3 times but don't remember that mentioned in past shows. I know Robyn was from one wife from Spain and he has a young daughter, shown once when he was in wheel chair but any other background on him but depression?