Mind Your Surroundings: Arrow, The Flash, Supergirl, Legends of Tomorrow and Other Superhero Universes

[nksarmi]

I read that the movie cost $250M to make so they are already doing fine at nearly $500M worldwide.  As far as I'm concerned - all that matters is that it did well enough to go ahead with the future projects.  I am SO happy Wonder Woman is getting good buzz.  And I think the movie is doing well enough that Justice League could still be a great movie - but I do hope they pay attention to some of the criticism and make some adjustments.  I will watch this movie and not care about the dark tone - but I want a light, more fun JL movie.

[AyChihuahua]

I absolutely LOATHED Man of Steel, so I can believe the reviews. I am not even a Superman fan, but that movie decimated everything that made Superman Superman. Up to and including turning his adoptive parents into heartless assholes.

 

The fact that ZS is a big Ayn Rand fan makes his vision of Superman make sense. He's pretty much saying: "Dude, you got all this power, why you wanna put yourself out helping people?"

I read that the movie cost $250M to make so they are already doing fine at nearly $500M worldwide.  As far as I'm concerned - all that matters is that it did well enough to go ahead with the future projects.  I am SO happy Wonder Woman is getting good buzz.  And I think the movie is doing well enough that Justice League could still be a great movie - but I do hope they pay attention to some of the criticism and make some adjustments.  I will watch this movie and not care about the dark tone - but I want a light, more fun JL movie.

$500M is not nearly enough money. The movie theaters take a cut; I mean they don't show movies out of the goodness of their hearts, and promo for a movie like this is tens of millions of dollars.

 

Comicbook.com says maybe $800m-ish to break even. Which it will probably hit, despite apparently being terrible. 

Edited March 28, 2016 by AyChihuahua

[dtissagirl]

Forbes is reporting that BvS had the worst Friday-to-Sunday drop in the history of superhero movies. LOL.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2016/03/28/batman-v-superman-sets-record-with-worst-friday-sunday-drop-for-superhero-pics/#4b61b0546d72

 

These days with blockbusters, they have to make 3 to 4 times the amount they cost to break even. I have no doubt BvS will make more than enough money, but the zeitgeist of the movie right now is *about the bad reviews* as much as it's about the movie itself. WB Pictures is looking at that for sure, there's no way around it.

[nksarmi]

Eh I think Papa Kent made a lot of sense in Man of Steel - he was trying to protect his son and kind of feared that the kid would get dissected by the government or something.  It can be done in a lighter tone - as Supergirl just showed us with Dean Cain and 13 year old Kara, but I still get it.

 

And I am slightly concerned that ZS was behind the Watchman since I hated the movie and the story behind it.  I don't want his Watchman ideas to seep into Justice League so I hope DC/WB controls that. Because while it's interesting to get into a more complex story - the heroes still need to be good and win the day.

[Tallis]

Holy shit that second supergirl clip was awesome!

I don't get it though.. I thought Cat knew Kara's secret? so why not just tell her who Barry is?

Cat did figure it out but Kara kept denying and ultimately got Hank/J'onn to impersonate Supergirl while she (Kara) was standing right there with Cat, so Cat had to admit she got it wrong. She may well be back to believing, given recent events, but if so she's keeping quiet about it this time.

[AyChihuahua]

Meanwhile, Deadpool, an actual GOOD superhero movie, just became the highest-grossing R-rated film of all time.

 

I love when quality is rewarded.

Edited March 28, 2016 by AyChihuahua

[arjumand]

They are also reporting that it had the biggest Friday to Sunday audience drop of any movie--55 percent--beating any other movie's drop by a lot.  Word of mouth/critics MAY matter.

 

Oh please be true, please! See, I'm completely spoiled for this movie (I like Superman, unless he's JESUS, and I like Batman, unless he's Hannibal - so it's not important for me to be unspoiled), and every new spoiler I read

a jar of piss. A JAR OF PISS

is making my face freeze into a rictus of horror. I want the new Wonder Woman movie to be good, because she's my girl (has been since mumblemumble I'm very old, ok?), and I want the Aquaman movie to be good, cos I love Jason Momoa. I'm just tired of the nonsense.

 

Plus doesn't it have to make like a billion dollars worldwide just to break even?

 

I totally hate ZS, but man, I loved the Dawn of the Dead remake. Or at least the parts I could watch, bc once they left the mall I was so scared I had to leave the room, go into another room, lock that door, go into the bathroom attached to that room and lock THAT door. Yes I may be a wuss, but DAMN that movie was effective!

 

Plus the nice dad in Modern Family was a FANTASTIC douchebag in it.

 

Oh absolutely - that's the last thing by Zack Snyder that I liked - I was on another board yesterday (I think themarysue? or io9? or maybe even the comments to the pajiba article you quoted) and they were trying to come up with reasons why the DotD remake was so amazing: Sarah Polley? Johnny Cash?

It reminds me of Mike Stoklasa's (as Mr Plinkett) critique of the Star Wars prequels - he discusses the amazing opening shot of the original (or Episode 4, as we have to call it nowadays), and says it's too amazing for George Lucas to have done it, that he probably didn't even like it, and wanted it removed.

 

OTOH, there's something in DotD which reminds me of what Snyder does in BvS, apparently - the scorched earth policy of fucking up the characters and plotlines so badly (Mr Sunday Movies pointed out that he painted himself into so many corners) that they can never be fixed, short of a reboot (in BvS

Jimmy Olsen, Mercy Graves, Lex Luthor himself

etc)

 

Ok, spoiler tags for a movie which is over a decade old:

It ends on a fairly positive note: Sarah Polley and buds manage to get away on their boat. Except then we learn their fate as flashes during the end credits. And then they reach the island which is full of zombies, and they're out of food and water. THE END. My opinion of this has always been - "What, you want to make a sequel to this? Well you can't! Fuck you," kisses, Zack Snyder.

Edited March 28, 2016 by arjumand

[AyChihuahua]

The ending was TOTALLY SILLY anyway, bc

it was a freshwater lake! They were in like Minnesota! Hello water water everywhere and LOTS OF DROPS to drink! And...FISH to eat!

[Trini]

Next time someone whines about how DC is dumb/etc. for not having their TV and Movie universes connected, I'm going to think back on this weekend with the two very, VERY different hero teamups and be thankful.

[Starfish35]

It's kind of funny, because I'm still working my way through the DC animated series, and last night I watched the "World's Finest" three-part episode in the second season of Superman: TAS. It's the one where Batman comes to Metropolis and he and Clark don't get off to the best start, but they end up working together and becoming friends. It was lots of fun. And I was thinking that wow, this is a lot better than this movie sounds like. I don't know what that says about me. :)

[Sakura12]

I thought I heard that BvS had to make $800 million to be considered a success? 

 

Wonder Woman is already filmed or still filming, the success or failure of BvS wouldn't matter for that movie at this point. 

[Morrigan2575]

I was reading over at IMDb some really good posts about the expected Box office and one very good point is that it probably won't make $1 billion. Part of it is related to the Forbes article which shows that BvS had the sharpest Friday to Sunday decline of any CBM, not only domestically but in China as well.

There's also the problem with the fact that BvS opened in almost every country on the same weekend, there's only 2 really tiny countries remaining. Finally there was a good point about the opening weekend multiplier to consider. One poster pulled the numbers and said that if you included all countries into the Age of Ultron opening weekend it's true WW total would be $586 million with a multiplier of 2.39 (for it's final WW boxoffice).

BvS true opening weekend boxoffice is around $420 million, with $166 million domestic. If you apply the same multiplier, BvS would end it's theatrical run around just slightly over 1 billion. However, that's assuming it does as well as AoU, however with a "B" cinema score, horrible reviews and that massive weekend drop it probably won't clear $1 Billion.

I think BvS will clear it's budget and be a minor financial success for WB but, they've got to be worried about the future of their DCCU (or whatever they're calling it). I wouldn't be surprised to see the future solo outings (excluding Wonder Woman) get pushed back, cancelled, reshuffled, etc.

[nksarmi]

It's kind of funny, because I'm still working my way through the DC animated series, and last night I watched the "World's Finest" three-part episode in the second season of Superman: TAS. It's the one where Batman comes to Metropolis and he and Clark don't get off to the best start, but they end up working together and becoming friends. It was lots of fun. And I was thinking that wow, this is a lot better than this movie sounds like. I don't know what that says about me. :)

 

Well to be honest when I first read about this movie - I thought of the scene that I think is in this cartoon where Batman explains how he knows Clark is Superman and Superman tells him Batman is Bruce Wayne and he knows because of x-ray vision.  I kind of wish this movie had been peppered with moments like that.

 

And having watched every Justice League cartoon out there with my kids - the movies would do well to consult with some of those writers.

[nksarmi]

I doubt they will do anything to Wonder Woman.  As Sakura said, it's a good ways into filming already AND all the reviews of her have been positive.  There is NO reason to pull the plug on her project and many reasons to let it continue.  Not the least of which is I think the backlash of cancelling a Wonder Woman movie at this stage in the game might doom any future DC project for - like - ever.

 

I am 100% serious.  I've been following the possibility of a Wonder Woman film since they were talking about having Lucy Lawless play her. People want this movie and the answer has always been doubt that a female character could carry a movie all on her own.  No matter how poorly BvS does - her movie is in the hands of a different director and she is getting good feedback.  It would be a financial loss to cancel or push her movie back and women everywhere would be pissed.  I'd only watch DC television and would never go to another DC movie again. 

 

Could they react to poor BvS reviews and change directors for JL or ask for some script changes?  Sure - it hasn't even started filming yet.  But I think (hope) Wonder Woman is safe.

And from what I've read - analyst think the release of BvS should aid it in making it's financial target.  Basically, it lacks competition so bad reviews probably won't sink it.

[Starfish35]

I thought of the scene that I think is in this cartoon where Batman explains how he knows Clark is Superman and Superman tells him Batman is Bruce Wayne and he knows because of x-ray vision.

I think that might be a different cartoon? I'm not sure.

In this one, Clark uses his X-Ray vision to look under Bruce's mask when they first meet. Bruce isn't real happy about this. He manages to get a tracker on Clark's cape before he leaves, and tracks him back to Clark Kent's apartment. Clark finds the tracker, looks out the window and sees Batman watching him from several roofs away. Batman waves, and Clark just says "touché" as he crushes the tracker.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Starfish35

[calliope1975]

Oh absolutely - that's the last thing by Zack Snyder that I liked - I was on another board yesterday (I think themarysue? or io9? or maybe even the comments to the pajiba article you quoted) and they were trying to come up with reasons why the DotD remake was so amazing: Sarah Polley? Johnny Cash?

 

I submit James Gunn's excellent script that no director could screw up. /wishful thinking

 

Rumor is BvS cost over $400 million to make minus marketing. Whether that's true or not, I suppose only the Warner Bros accountant knows. I do think that bad reviews and bad word of mouth have overshadowed the actual movie. Even people I know who liked it say that the reviews are too harsh, but that it's also not a very good movie which isn't inspiring me to rush out and see it. It sucks, though, for me, because seeing Batman Begins for the first time was like a revelation. I totally understood how fans in the 70s felt when they saw Superman on the big screen for the first time. I know it's all subjective and depends on who's running the show, but I really wish they'd given the reins to someone other than Zack Snyder. I'm going to have to just go with the theory that Captain America is the best Superman I'm going to get for now. 

[Delphi]

It's kind of funny, because I'm still working my way through the DC animated series, and last night I watched the "World's Finest" three-part episode in the second season of Superman: TAS. It's the one where Batman comes to Metropolis and he and Clark don't get off to the best start, but they end up working together and becoming friends. It was lots of fun. And I was thinking that wow, this is a lot better than this movie sounds like. I don't know what that says about me. :)

That is such a good episode. I loved Bruce's little smirk as he leaves. I rewatch that clip a lot.

[Starfish35]

I loved the scene where he grabs Clark's arm and throws him across the room. There's such a shocked "did that just happen?" look on Clark's face.

[Genki]

RAG Name drop in Archer sneak peak...

 

http://tvline.com/2016/03/28/archer-season-6-video-baby-aj-kidnapping/

 

ETA: The Lego Batman new trailer 

 

http://io9.gizmodo.com/lego-batman-proves-the-only-constant-in-decades-of-batm-1767483073

Edited March 29, 2016 by Genki

[Primal Slayer]

They just had Cat Grant throw shade at TheCW lol.

[Sakura12]

Take note movieverse. It's more fun to see Supergirl and The Flash instead of vs. 

 

Sliver Banshee has a dumber name but a much better "cry" than Laurel. That looked like a sonic scream. Of course Lydia from Teen Wolf has the best one since she can apparently use martial skills with her scream. 

 

Barry and Kara had good chemistry. He fit in nice on the show. I loved that Cat knew Barry was the Flash. So she also has to know that Kara is Supergirl since she was hanging around the Flash.

 

I loved the CW line.

 

I wonder if Barry will talk about Kara to Team Flash? Cisco would love to know that he met an alien. It was nice to see a team up and for Barry to be the one giving a pep talk since he gets two an episode on his show.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Sakura12

[quarks]

The CW comment was comedy gold. 

 

And apparently Barry has listened to enough pep talks that he now knows how to give them! Hee.

[Primal Slayer]

Overall it was an ok episode but not as good as Flarrows first crossover imo. They chose the wrong episode to start exploring Kara and Jimmys feelings for one another, that is not what Barry crossing over should be used to accomplish.

 

Barry/Kara were fun together.

 

Silver Banshee was ok but I wish they had just let her loose, let the banshee actually come through and not just be makeup. Her teamup with Livewire should've been so much more savage then it was and ended with Flash/Supergirl beating them together instead of the crowd giving me a toothache, just hated that scene since it was the epitome of corny lol.

 

I can't get behind Lucy being in charge, she just doesn't have that authority to her.

[nksarmi]

Barry really is more fun when he's with another Superhero.  That was the most I've liked him in I can't remember how long and GG really is fantastic in this role.  Also, he and MB are so adorable I'm surprised total strangers weren't jealous of them let alone James.

Edited March 29, 2016 by nksarmi

[Sakura12]

Supergirl is still super cheesy, it worked for this ep because I was watching it like it was some alternate universe episode and was expecting the cheesy cartoon feel. Next weeks ep looks like a Doctor Who episode. 

Edited March 29, 2016 by Sakura12

[foreverevolving]

I liked the episode. and I love James (but I liked the actor since his "Necessary Roughness" role) and I am in-love with Cat!! she's the epitome of awesome & I am 100% sure she knows Kara is Supergirl. She is how, imo, Laurel should have been like when Oliver first came back in S01. a bit mean, and bit lovely a whole lot of nasty clever snark.

 

and I agree with Sakura, Supergirl was waaayyy too cheesy- like sweet tooth sugary ache, i don't know if i'll pick it up, maybe for a binge watch but I can already tell i'll be fast forwarding tons of parts. which is a shame I like cat and James and to a degree I like Kara too, but meh. I would have much preferred some more gritty and dark, hence why I like Arrow better than Flash. also I'm not a huge super powered heroes person, i like my hero without any powers.

Edited March 29, 2016 by foreverevolving

[Starfish35]

It was mostly really good. But yes, the ending with the crowd's sudden change of heart and saving Supergirl was extremely cheesy. But Kara and Barry together was lots of fun - all their interactions were great. And Winn's delight over James' jealousy was great - I'm so glad he's no longer pining over her. And oh c'mon, Cat has got to know that she's Supergirl.

The ending with James at Kara's apartment was really uncomfortable. I don't know. I'm not against them being together, but that was uncomfortable. And for a second when he started walking away like a zombie I thought maybe Kara had accidentally erased his memory. :) I was like "did they really just go there?"

Sliver Banshee has a dumber name but a much better "cry" than Laurel. That looked like a sonic scream.

Yeah, I didn't think about it while watching the episode, but that's a far better sonic scream.

but I wish they had just let her loose, let the banshee actually come through and not just be makeup.

Yeah, I kept waiting for her face to change, and was disappointed that it was just makeup.

Her teamup with Livewire should've been so much more savage then it was and ended with Flash/Supergirl beating them together instead of the crowd giving me a toothache, just hated that scene since it was the epitome of corny lol.

Agree with this also. I didn't hate it but it did seem very anti-climatic and corny.

I miss Hank and Alex though. I hope they're not gone too long.

Oh and yes, the zombie parade did feel very Doctor Who-ish. :)

Edited March 29, 2016 by Starfish35

[Sakura12]

Is James/Kara the big romance on Supergirl? If so, wow are they dull. They don't have the anti-chemistry of Laurel/Oliver but they are boring. It took me a long while to figure out something was wrong with him, since that's the same face he had in every scene with her. 

 

I've seen the actor have chemistry on True Blood with Rutina Wesely, so I know he can bring it. It's just  not working with MB.  And she was able to bring some spark with Barry. I guess it's really just them. They may need to rethink that romance if that's supposed to be their central one. 

 

I love the Kara and Cat relationship. She's a hardass as a boss and purposely mispronounces her name, but she does care about Kara. One of my favorite scenes was when Kara told her parents died when she a kid and you could see that Cat was genuine with her "I'm sorry".  She's giving her relationship advice and advice in how to be stronger. Probably because she knows she's Supergirl. 

Edited March 29, 2016 by Sakura12

[statsgirl]

Grant Gustin works best with friendship chemistry and Barry and Kara were two big kids having funny in the sunny world of National City.  But how is it that a jail for metahumans got built so fast...Barry had no credibility so why would they build a jail on his say-so.

 

Maybe the Banshee cry is better than the Canary Cry because CBS gives them a bigger budget.

 

I disappointed that the big Arrow mention was in a list that included Black Canary, The Atom and some others I cant remember.

 

I like Kara/James but even I am getting a  headache from the very unsublte anvils.  So glad Oliver and Felicity were able to develop a relationship during the Lauriver season.

[nksarmi]

Personally I kind of hope they ditch James and Kara.  Now that Winn isn't hung up on her - I like him better so I don't want them to go back there.  But I just feel more when James is with Lucy which tells me the chemistry of James and Kara is wrong.  Besides, there is nothing wrong with leaving her single and maybe bringing Cat's son back to town.  Complicated as that was at least MB sparks with her real life guy well on screen!

 

Then again - maybe if they go full throttle with James and Kara - the chemistry will show up.  There are times I like them together, but perhaps it's just because they are dancing around the edges that the whole thing feels off.

Edited March 29, 2016 by nksarmi

[ComicFan777]

I think that Supergirl threw in the romantic "Will they?  Won't they?" with James a little to early in the show.  Yeah, it feels forced to me, too.  It would be nice to really get to know the characters a little more, have them build and establish their friendship more, before really starting their dance around.   

 

I did like Kara with Cat's son.  It would have been a good stall - it felt like they had really good chemistry together IMO, but personally, I don't think Kara should jump into any relationships right now when she is still figuring out who she is.  She's still finding her balance with superheroing and her normal life.  I would be happy with her just working on finding a balance and having a good time with her friends and family right now.

Edited March 29, 2016 by ComicFan777

[Trini]

Is James/Kara the big romance on Supergirl? If so, wow are they dull. They don't have the anti-chemistry of Laurel/Oliver but they are boring. It took me a long while to figure out something was wrong with him, since that's the same face he had in every scene with her. ...

 

The writers want it to be -- but it's not. I like James, but his role as love interest is just not working.

[Primal Slayer]

Maybe the Banshee cry is better than the Canary Cry because CBS gives them a bigger budget.

 

Nah, that effect wouldn't cost them much to create, it isn't anything more special then Barrys lightning speed effects.

[Sakura12]

Can Kara even have sex with a human without hurting them? Wasn't that an issue with Superman or maybe that was just a Smallville thing.

[BkWurm1]

However, the worst actor by far in this movie was Jesse Eisenberg, who turned Lex Luthor into this cartoony, 2-D character who seemed out of place in this super serious movie.  Yes, a character can be quirky and crazy in a serious movie, but it must be done well. Contrast that with Heath Ledger, who wore clown make-up and played a freaky character in The Dark Knight, and yet still managed to portray a Joker with depth, dimension and pathos.

 

Ever since I got the nuanced and smart Lex on Smallville, I just can't accept the cartoonish versions they keep throwing up on the screen and in the ultra serious world they are trying to create with ZS's BvS, it is even more of a glaring problem. 

 

 

 

It's kind of funny, because I'm still working my way through the DC animated series, and last night I watched the "World's Finest" three-part episode in the second season of Superman: TAS. It's the one where Batman comes to Metropolis and he and Clark don't get off to the best start, but they end up working together and becoming friends. It was lots of fun. And I was thinking that wow, this is a lot better than this movie sounds like. I don't know what that says about me. :)

Quality is quality no matter what the medium. 

 

 

I think that Supergirl threw in the romantic "Will they?  Won't they?" with James a little to early in the show.  Yeah, it feels forced to me, too.  It would be nice to really get to know the characters a little more, have them build and establish their friendship more, before really starting their dance around.   

 

I did like Kara with Cat's son.  It would have been a good stall - it felt like they had really good chemistry together IMO, but personally, I don't think Kara should jump into any relationships right now when she is still figuring out who she is.  She's still finding her balance with superheroing and her normal life.  I would be happy with her just working on finding a balance and having a good time with her friends and family right now.

Kara having a crush on James IMO worked better than what's going on now. It would have been better if he and Lucy hadn't broken up because Lucy decided he was hung up on Supergirl.  Honestly it would be better if Lucy went home since she was laughably bad as the person in charge at the DEO tonight.  She projects zero authority.  I actually didn't even recognize her for a second and just thought she was some random soldier. You don't want to blend in that much, lol.

 

Jimmy is a problem character because they write him as not really having anything to do around Supergirl except using his signal watch every once and a while.  It weakens his character and just three weeks ago he wanted to save his relationship with Lucy by telling her the truth about Kara.  The timing is off even if he did look a bit jealous of Barry. 

 

Ah, Barry. He was so cute and fun in this episode.  And so quick to share his secret identity, lol.  Oh, you can fly and are called Supergirl?  Let me take off my mask. 

 

I will be very curious to see the rating numbers on tomorrow night's Flash episode.  Funny thing is I think it is a rerun (King Shark episode with Lyla and Diggle) despite them advertising on CBS that it was an all new episode. 

 

Edited:  Hmm, just rechecked my DVR.  Yesterday it absolutely said it was a rerun and the King Shark episode (and thus my DVR was skipping it) but now it IS a new episode. 

Can Kara even have sex with a human without hurting them? Wasn't that an issue with Superman or maybe that was just a Smallville thing.

Clark was afraid he'd lose control (eww) but apparently after training with Jor-El he got over it.  Now that's the missing episode I want to see.  ;p

Edited March 29, 2016 by BkWurm1

[ComicFan777]

If the show wants to build an epic romance around Kara and James, I think they need to develop his character more.
Right now, he just feels like a superhero groupie to me - haven't swayed me at all. 

 

I do think that my expectations are skewed though - olicity has totally ruined me - now I just compare every pairing to them.

Edited March 29, 2016 by ComicFan777

[quarks]

At this point I'm mostly shipping Kara with Barry. But, oddly, although I like Jimmy more than I like Winn, and was not at all a fan of Kara/Winn, for whatever reason this episode left me more in favor of Kara/Winn. Possibly because Winn thought Barry was cool, and Jimmy seemed threatened by a guy who stated from the outset that he was from another universe and wanted to return to it.

[Starfish35]

I just realized there's just two more episodes in the season for Supergirl, since they only got a 20 episode order this season.

[Starfish35]

Rewatching the Supergirl crossover. Just realized the "partners" scene is a parallel to the Oliver/Barry "partners" scene in the first Arrow/Flash crossover.

Edited March 29, 2016 by Starfish35

[wonderwall]

My reaction to ice cream ALL. THE. TIME. This one gif makes me want to watch Supergirl lmao

 

[Trini]

I disappointed that the big Arrow mention was in a list that included Black Canary, The Atom and some others I cant remember.

 

Not a direct reference, but they had the parallels to the first big Flash/Arrow crossover with the superhero handshake and Barry saying that they need to go into a situation with a Plan.

[InsertWordHere]

My reaction to ice cream ALL. THE. TIME. This one gif makes me want to watch Supergirl lmao

 

That reaction made me fall a little bit in love with Kara Danvers, not gonna lie. Also, I love the yellow dress.

 

Also, "Let's settle this like women" stole the show for me. Totally hilarious and fantastic delivery by GG. 

Edited March 29, 2016 by InsertWordHere

[thegirlsleuth]

I just read the Pajiba review of Batman v Superman, and am wondering if Grant Gustin reads the reviews while quietly chuckling to himself, or if he and his friends are planning drunken dramatic readings of the choicest ones. I know movies=better, as far as an actor is concerned, and Gustin seems super nice, but I hope he gets to gloat a little after all of Zack Snyder's explanations of why Gustin really wasn't right for the role.

[BkWurm1]

I just read the Pajiba review of Batman v Superman, and am wondering if Grant Gustin reads the reviews while quietly chuckling to himself, or if he and his friends are planning drunken dramatic readings of the choicest ones. I know movies=better, as far as an actor is concerned, and Gustin seems super nice, but I hope he gets to gloat a little after all of Zack Snyder's explanations of why Gustin really wasn't right for the role.

I was reading some of the comments on that review and the more I read even from those supporting and defending the movie, the more concerned I grow. Apparently people are watching it wrong because they don't understand a bunch of backstory that explains Batman's head space as clearly stated by a brief shot of some shield with some words scrawled on it.  Oh joy. 

 

The other comment that makes me rage was that people are stupid for thinking there could be any joy, hope or love in the movie because DC has always been darker than Marvel.  -Um, previously it was only in the Batman movies and the dark tone of the Superman is what everyone has been complaining about that for years! I have this feeling that when the Flash shows up he's going to be jaded and snarky rather than excited and quippy. 

 

I need to see this movie to see if I need to join in on the rant.  I'm usually a pretty easy review.  I found a way to enjoy 3 out of the 4 Transformers movies.  And I genuinely liked the most recent TMNT movie. Yup, very curious. 

Edited March 29, 2016 by BkWurm1

[thegirlsleuth]

I was reading some of the comments on that review and the more I read even from those supporting and defending the movie, the more concerned I grow. Apparently people are watching it wrong because they don't understand a bunch of backstory that explains Batman's head space as clearly stated by a brief shot of some shield with some words scrawled on it. Oh joy.

The other comment that makes me rage was that people are stupid for thinking there could be any joy, hope or love in the movie because DC has always been darker than Marvel. -Um, previously it was only in the Batman movies and the dark tone of the Superman is what everyone has been complaining about that for years! I have this feeling that when the Flash shows up he's going to be jaded and snarky rather than excited and quippy.

I need to see this movie to see if I need to join in on the rant. I'm usually a pretty easy review. I found a way to enjoy 3 out of the 4 Transformers movies. And I genuinely liked the most recent TMNT movie. Yup, very curious.

I remember reading a review of the Flarrow crossover event--either 2014 or 2015--in which the reviewer commented that we were probably getting a better version of Superman vs Batman than we'd get in the movie since the Snyder version was looking to be so grimdark. Sounds like they might have been right. I really like the Barry/Oliver dynamic where Oliver is aware of the deep responsibility they have and Barry is "whee! Saving people!" In the long term, I prefer Oliver's philosophy, but it's fun to see them bounce off each other, and it might be that Oliver is a better Batman and Barry is a better Superman, tonally, than what we see in the movies.

Also, reading through those comments, if Snyder's view of Superman is informed by Ayn Rand than ick, I can skip that movie.

[Genki]

I liked the review from the guy who does the HISHE videos.

 

 

BTW does superman's costume like like it's made from sequins to anyone else...or is it just me?

Edited March 29, 2016 by Genki

[Morrigan2575]

I didn't know HISHE did reviews.  I'm actually looking forward to HISHE How BvS should have ended, complete with the Superhero Cafe skit.

 

I was reading some of the comments on that review and the more I read even from those supporting and defending the movie, the more concerned I grow. Apparently people are watching it wrong because they don't understand a bunch of backstory that explains Batman's head space as clearly stated by a brief shot of some shield with some words scrawled on it.  Oh joy.

 

Do you mean the Bronze Robin Statue that was in the trailers?  From what I've read on IMDb

That's a reference to Jason Todd being killed by the Joker in Death in the Family
So yeah, I guess if you didn't know that was a reference to Jason Todd and how angry/obsessive Batman became after the Joker paralyzed Batgirl and killed Robin #2, you probably wouldn't get his emotional state. Of course you shouldn't have to read the source material to understand a movie. A movie should stand on it's own and explain why things are so important to the characters

Edited March 29, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[Morrigan2575]

double post

Edited March 29, 2016 by Morrigan2575

[dtissagirl]

Wait, so Jena Malone was gonna show up in this movie playing Babs in a sort of established pre-fridging to give Batfleck some motivation for the mangst, and then they deleted it from the movie? Bwahahahahalolz.

[Morrigan2575]

My understanding (and this was announced in the media before the movie was released) is that Jena Malone's character (presumably a Batgirl/Oracle or pre-Batgirl version of Barbara Gordon) was cut from the theatrical release but will appear in the R Rated Directors Cut.  The assumption that many fans are making is that her scenes will be

Babs getting shot by the Joker and ending up paralyzed in a pre-Oracle role, to set her up for an appearance in one of the JL movies or a Birds of Prey movie