All Episodes Talk: Small World, Big Lives

[AZChristian]

2 hours ago, Dibs said:

And apparently his soon-to-be (assuming they aren't already secretly, quietly married; Caryn lets the cat out of the bag occasionally) wife isn't even allowed to set foot on their property.  Honestly, just as Chris stood up for Amy, Matt should refuse to go there if his mate isn't welcome, but then he'd be EVIL GRANDPA MATT who isn't willing to "work" for a relationship with his grandchildren, and we'd never hear the end of it from the whiney pants couple and Amy.

Poor guy can't win!

 

Re bolded part.  I don't know these people in real life.  I form my opinions just like anyone else who has watched the show.  IN MY OPINION, if Matt told Caryn he wasn't going to go see the grandkids if she wasn't welcome, Caryn would have pointed out to him that he should not deny himself or the grandkids a relationship because of her.  I find her to be the most sane one of the bunch.  

[b4pjoe]

I don't really remember but was Matt or Matt and Caryn actually told Caryn wasn't welcome at Zach and Tori's house?

[Dibs]

3 hours ago, AZChristian said:

IN MY OPINION, if Matt told Caryn he wasn't going to go see the grandkids if she wasn't welcome, Caryn would have pointed out to him that he should not deny himself or the grandkids a relationship because of her.  I find her to be the most sane one of the bunch.  

And clearly that's what's happening; she could have pitched a hissy fit (which I'm sure Amy would have had Chris not had HER back in that dispute), but Caryn's - again - the bigger person and encourages him to go without her and is even happy for him when he can.  They're both very mature and gracious (unlike some people) and very well matched...

2 hours ago, b4pjoe said:

I don't really remember but was Matt or Matt and Caryn actually told Caryn wasn't welcome at Zach and Tori's house?

Please; it's obvious.  They're probably not going to show that on TV.

Edited April 30, 2024 by Dibs

[b4pjoe]

39 minutes ago, Dibs said:

Please; it's obvious.  They're probably not going to show that on TV.

Calm down. I just asked a question.

[salvame]

I reserve judgement on the family. As a viewer, I have no idea what really goes on with this family behind the scenes, nor how much manipulating is done by production to evoke certain responses. What I have seen is a family that signed up for years of having the good, bad, and ugly brought into my den every week. I would hate for cameras to be rolling in my house while I am trying to navigate though family struggles. What I saw was the breakdown of a marriage, where the two people grew, but apart rather than together. I saw the only child with dwarfism crushed by having his hopes and dreams cast aside. I saw a woman betrayed by a long-time employee. I saw two former partners find new love, and somehow all come together to be friends again. (I admit to finding Matt and Chris' "bromance" hysterical. But that also may be the motivator in getting the foursome together.) I saw a young family raising 3 dwarf children, trying to make their experiences as fun and normal as possible. I saw them get medical attention, though I wasn't privy to what went on in the  Doctor visits. I saw the three normal size children move on and leave the farm behind. All of this played out very publicly over years. Many of the TLC families have broken up under such scrutiny, going back to Jon and Kate. Who knows how much having the show had to do with these issues, vs how much was the family unit to begin with. I am sad that Matt dug in about the farm. There is so much land, I don't know why he couldn't deed (not sell) several acres to each child to do with as they saw fit. If they chose to build a house and live there, fine, if they didn't, they could either just hang on to it for posterity or deed it back. I have seen this scenario in real life. I also understand how hurt Zach was over the farm sale. He is the only child who was consistently working at the farm. If the others were so interested, why did they move on at the first opportunity? If both Jeremy and Zach were interested, why couldn't Matt make them partners in the enterprise so it could be the family business for as long as there were family members interested. I know of many such family operations. In the end, we all make choices, and I believe we are all doing the best we can with what we have to work with. 

[parkinglola]

Matt whored out the family for tv.He desrves everything he gets good and bad.I have no respect for him.

[65mickey]

Zach was the only child consistently working at the farm?? Wow I must have missed that.   As to why Matt couldn't just divide up the farm and give each child  a couple of acres to do with what they wanted Zach wanted more than a couple of acres. He wanted the big house and at least 16 acres at a fraction of what it was worth. Matt also stated that Oregon has rules about how a farm can be divided and how many houses  can be on the land. Maybe Zach should have waited to get his share of the inheritance until Matt passed. That's the way most children do. 

[Dibs]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

As to why Matt couldn't just divide up the farm and give each child  a couple of acres to do with what they wanted Zach wanted more than a couple of acres. He wanted the big house and at least 16 acres at a fraction of what it was worth. Matt also stated that Oregon has rules about how a farm can be divided and how many houses can be on the land. Maybe Zach should have waited to get his share of the inheritance until Matt passed. That's the way most children do. 

They also BOTH wanted to live in the farmhouse and probably both hoped to monetize it in some way -- Zach by carrying on the with the show (Roloffs 2.0), and maybe Jeremy with one of Audrey's many enterprises.  How do you "divide" that, and what about the other two kids?  Turns out Jacob also had an interest in farming even greater than that of the other two; who knew?

Yes, children traditionally waited until their parents passed before expecting an inheritance, if they were lucky enough to even get one, but not so much these days with all the entitlement engendered in Gens X and Z. 

Watch your back, Matt!  And then Amy!!!

Edited May 1, 2024 by Dibs

[Irate Panda]

12 hours ago, Dibs said:

Yes, children traditionally waited until their parents passed before expecting an inheritance, if they were lucky enough to even get one, but not so much these days with all the entitlement engendered in Gens X and Z. 

Watch your back, Matt!  And then Amy!!!

Isn’t Gen X like 50-60?  I’m guessing you meant Millennials (Zach, Jeremy, Tori, (Audrey though she seems to have her own money))

I don’t like like to broadly paint any generation as a whole, probably because as a Millennial I do not claim the Roloff delegation, well except maybe Molly 😂

I think the problem is Zach and Jeremy never had real jobs where their livelihood depended upon it. To much stuff was handed  to them.  I do consider the show a job but it is not comparable to most jobs at that age. Growing up, Jeremy was Matt’s favorite because I think Matt was trying to live vicariously through him.  Zach was Amy’s favorite because she seemed to use him as an emotional crutch to a shitty marriage.  Both of these things left Zach and Jeremy stunted and it’s why they both think they can be farmers when in reality the most they can probably do is “play farmer”.  They were both extremely coddled and monetarily rewarded for subpar performances.  I mean these were college-aged guys that didn’t even know the state abbreviation for the state they lived
 

 Now Jeremy has married Matt Audrey, dictator that tries to sell us on this manufactured “perfect farm” life, while Zach has married Amy Tori, bulldozer who seems disgruntled with her life, but pretending it’s what she wanted.  Amy and Matt used to tell Zach and Jeremy what to do, now Tori and Audrey do.  The twins never grew up because they never had to, which imo most definitely did increase their feelings of entitlement.  Unfortunately they are thirtysomething brats and unlikely to change. YMMV 😊

[Dibs]

Also, way to go, Amy, throwing Chris under the bus for being late to the charity event!  Welcome to Matt's world.

[Irate Panda]

27 minutes ago, Dibs said:

But I did find Jackson's "Tori Roloff, I'm going to replace you" comment very odd; where has he heard that before?

Yes, I agree with that.  What 6 year old tells his mother that he’s going to replace her?  I thought maybe I misread that the first time, but yes, it seems like something he would have heard somewhere. 

[Hedgehog2022]

On 4/15/2024 at 5:32 PM, Harry Wails said:

it's easy to see where Zach get's his ungrateful jackass personality from, his mother!

The crab apple didn't fall far from the tree with those two.

love your photo...😂

[Dibs]

4 hours ago, Irate Panda said:

Yes, I agree with that.  What 6 year old tells his mother that he’s going to replace her?  I thought maybe I misread that the first time, but yes, it seems like something he would have heard somewhere. 

Watch your back, Matt!  And Amy!  And Lilah!

[65mickey]

I missed Jackson telling Tori that he was going to replace her. Why did he say that?

[Dibs]

2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I missed Jackson telling Tori that he was going to replace her. Why did he say that?

I don't know WHY he said it, but WHEN he said it was at the end of the berry picking scene.

[EastCoast4Life]

14 hours ago, Dibs said:

I don't know WHY he said it, but WHEN he said it was at the end of the berry picking scene.

That is because they've trained this kid to think he is end all, be all of everything. He seems like sweet kid when he's not being a horrible brother to poor Lilah. (When he was banging her in the head with parts to a bed comes to mind...)

[65mickey]

He had to have heard this from Zach. Good luck Zach replacing Tori. I can't imagine anyone else putting up with your lazy self. 

[babyhouseman]

2 hours ago, EastCoast4Life said:

That is because they've trained this kid to think he is end all, be all of everything. He seems like sweet kid when he's not being a horrible brother to poor Lilah. (When he was banging her in the head with parts to a bed comes to mind...)

In a recent show, Lilah was swinging something around and Tori told her not to knock out her brother. She never reprimanded Jackson that I can remember. 

[Dibs]

2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

He had to have heard this from Zach. Good luck Zach replacing Tori. I can't imagine anyone else putting up with your lazy self. 

Or he heard Tori say it and is smart enough to substitute "Tori" for "Lilah."  I can't imagine Zach ever saying such a thing; remember that box of limp, deflated balls he was trying to pump up?

Edited May 3, 2024 by Dibs

[Jst2Wld]

1 hour ago, Dibs said:

Or he heard Tori say it and is smart enough to substitute "Tori" for "Lilah."  I can't imagine Zach ever saying such a thing; remember that box of limp, deflated balls he was trying to pump up?

Lol! Zac will spend his entire life trying to pump up his limp, deflated balls. Good luck with that.

[EastCoast4Life]

Tori still posts videos of Lilah, and guess what? She's still not talking! She can dance all night, but does she speak?

[ginger90]

53 minutes ago, EastCoast4Life said:

Tori still posts videos of Lilah, and guess what? She's still not talking! She can dance all night, but does she speak?

Yes she can speak.

[Dibs]

On 7/24/2024 at 12:02 PM, ginger90 said:

Yes she can speak.

Normally, for her age?

[Joan of Argh]

2 hours ago, Dibs said:

Normally, for her age?

I’m not sure what the average is but I have a granddaughter and a great niece who are Lilah’s age and they’re way ahead of Lilah in their talking.

It breaks my heart to see Lilah struggling, she’s such a cute, sweet little girl and she has so many challenges ahead of her.

She’s such a happy child in spite of it all and I hope that continues, she really loves being a big sister to Josiah, the videos of them together are very cute.

Edited July 31, 2024 by Joan of Argh
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[Dibs]

Considering that she must be, what, FIVE by now?  I'd say she's way behind for her age in speech...  But Tori's back pocket!  She's been too busy shilling merchandise online, making YouTube videos of her kids, and podcasting with Zach lately to do much tutoring, but that may change since she recently put her foot in it and turned off some fans.  Surely Lilah's in school by now, so maybe professional help will be at hand.

Edited July 31, 2024 by Dibs

[ginger90]

27 minutes ago, Dibs said:

Considering that she must be, what, FIVE by now?

She’ll be 5 in November.

[Absolom]

She's still a year out from public TK.  I've heard different opinions, but a lot of people think they are and will be sending the kids to private Christian school which won't provide speech services.  Although the local pubic school system would have to provide them if requested and proven necessary.  I've seen kids with worse speech at five, but that doesn't mean she doesn't need help.  

[pdlinda]

5 hours ago, Absolom said:

sending the kids to private Christian school which won't provide speech services. 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that if a child attends a school that doesn't provide "special services" (like speech therapy) for lack of resources, that the school is State/Federally mandated to send the child to a venue where she could receive these services or hire a speech therapist to tutor the child in her school.  

I say this because I worked in criminal defense for MANY years and if we had an inmate in the County Jail attending school(we had a high school for all juvenile offenders in custody) and had special needs, that's what was mandated.  Either the inmate was bused to a specialized location (with a corrections officer) or the professional was brought into the jail to provide the service. 

I'm not sure if the State or Fed govt paid for it, but one of them did.

I cannot believe that a youngster in the U.S. with special needs like Lilah would be denied professional services.  ALSO, there is never a "means test" to pay for the service, so the parents are not asked to pay. In a jail setting,(when I was involved) only indigent people were not bailed out so a "means test" for parents ability to pay never came up; HOWEVER, we had juveniles charged with SERIOUS crimes who were sent to PRISON (where every socio-economic level was involved) and there was never a "means test" to receive "special services" that the State/Feds paid for. 

BTW, for those who aren't aware, JAIL is where pre-sentence offenders are housed and PRISON is where sentenced offenders are sent.

So, I hope of that basis, Lilah will get the services she NEEDS regardless of where she goes to school.

 

Edited July 31, 2024 by pdlinda

[ginger90]

30 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

So, I hope of that basis, Lilah will get the services she NEEDS regardless of where she goes to school.

 

This article may be of interest to you.

For some reason it won’t let me link it. It’s at wapave.org. The title of the article is, Navigating Special Education in Private School.

 

 

[Absolom]

53 minutes ago, pdlinda said:

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that if a child attends a school that doesn't provide "special services" (like speech therapy) for lack of resources, that the school is State/Federally mandated to send the child to a venue where she could receive these services or hire a speech therapist to tutor the child in her school.  

You didn't quote the next sentence that answered your question.  The local public school system would have to provide the service if requested.  Why if requested?  They won't know the child exists if they aren't made aware.  

Public schools are mandated to provide the services.  Private schools can't be mandated to make the arrangements.  In fact, some private schools don't accept students who have too many special needs.  

Yes, it's a process.  Many parents decide private school isn't worth the hassle depending on the child's needs and move them to public school where it's easier to access services. Other people who can afford it, take the child on their own to a private therapist.  Not to burst anyone's bubble, but public school funds and slots for children needing services are limited.  So while a private speech therapist might recommend twice weekly sessions, the school may only be able to provide weekly or every other week sessions.  

Also everywhere that I have lived in the US, juvenile detention education falls under the public system and is managed by some portion of the local school board.  Where I live now it's under the county board of education.  

Edited August 1, 2024 by Absolom

[pdlinda]

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

Also everywhere that I have lived in the US, juvenile detention education falls under the public system and is managed by some portion of the local school board.  Where I live now it's under the county board of education.  

Yes,  I would agree with that...Our Jail high school was surely part of our public school system (or, in our state we also have charter schools available).

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

This article may be of interest to you.

Thank you.  I will read it!