S09.E07: Bidding on Love

[BBHN]

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The fact is that she does not have more money then him

Where are you getting this information from? Again, most sites list her as having more money than he does.

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The only reason he is filming with her is so she can have a storyline and can film with someone else for filler scenes

She can do ok on her own without him for a storyline. Heck more of her more memorable moments don't even involve him. So she can survive without him. Plus, it seems like he wants a spin-off more than anything and could be using her to get it.

[Martinigirl]

Wasn't John the one one who encouraged Dorinda to join the show? I thought Dorinda had been asked to join for a couple of years and  turned it down. My understanding, John was the one who talked her into joining  RHONY.  I believe there is an article out there where Dorinda is interviewed when first joining RHONY

There is also an older John interview about the black card....interesting read. Especially the very last line of the article. 

Or, as John Mahdessian says: "Just because you charge $1 million doesn't mean you have $1 million." 

Read more: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/youve-arrived-true-tales-of-the-mysterious-black-card-cm30413#ixzz4hjpYGH00

Edited May 21, 2017 by Martinigirl

[Trooper York]

We all get our information from various websites that talk about the characters on these shows. Different sites each have their own alternative facts. No one site is more reliable than another. We know about as much that is a definitive fact about these people as do about Mr. Spock and Captain Kirk. They are fictional characters who are presented for our amusement. The only thing we can go by is the evidence of our own eyes. 

Dorinda has been a consistently unpleasant force on the Housewives. She gets her load on and is as nasty as they come. She goes after John. Sonja. Bethenny. All of them. 

Dorinda makes it nice. Nice and drunk and sloppy and nasty.. Many of her memorable scenes that people cite are with John. Like most of the men on these shows he is there to be a foil and a punching bag. Luckily for him they have decided to turn their venom on Tom. I thought he could be out of the line of fire if he made brief cameo appearances. But it seems that natural one word responses are beyond the pale for some so he should limit even that. I think Tom is smarter. He has said maybe four sentences in two years. Smart man. Don't fall in the fame whore trap. Keep your distance. Smile say hello and then walk across the room and talk to a normal person. If you want to support Luann and give her a storyline that's fine. In fact their relationship is holding up the whole show. But don't have anything more than a cursory involvement in the shenanigans if you want to survive with any of your dignity.

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[BBHN]

Yeah, but I still haven't seen one site placing John as being more affluent than Dorinda.

And I haven't seen anything on the show itself to indicate the same either.

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Or, as John Mahdessian says: "Just because you charge $1 million doesn't mean you have $1 million." 

Smoke and mirrors indeed...

[Martinigirl]

I like to use it to impress the ladies............just ewwwwwwwwwwwww

[BBHN]

I wonder if Dorinda laughed out loud, and how hard she must have laughed, if he tried to pull out the card to impress her.

[motorcitymom65]

13 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

 

Dorinda makes it nice. Nice and drunk and sloppy and nasty.. Many of her memorable scenes that people cite are with John. Like most of the men on these shows he is there to be a foil and a punching bag. Luckily for him they have decided to turn their venom on Tom. I thought he could be out of the line of fire if he made brief cameo appearances. But it seems that natural one word responses are beyond the pale for some so he should limit even that. I think Tom is smarter. He has said maybe four sentences in two years. Smart man. Don't fall in the fame whore trap. Keep your distance. Smile say hello and then walk across the room and talk to a normal person. If you want to support Luann and give her a storyline that's fine. In fact their relationship is holding up the whole show. But don't have anything more than a cursory involvement in the shenanigans if you want to survive with any of your dignity.

Maybe to some, but not to me. As the matter of fact, save for the showdown between John and Beth last season, all of Dorinda's memorable scenes have been when John was not even in the room:

The "friends don't walk into a restaurant with their friend" - no John 

The "fuck you dinner"  - no John

The "I made it nice breakdown" - no John

The attack on Sonja - no John 

True, there have been times when she makes an ass of herself when John is around, but she hardly needs him to act as a prop if she wants to be an asshole. 

2 hours ago, Trooper York said:

That's a problem. That's the truth. Didn't you ever have a friend who was involved with someone you didn't like or respect? Did you constantly harp on it and attack them? Or did you respect your friends choices and leave them to it.

Dorinda chooses to consort with people who dislike him for money. To be on the show. She doesn't really stand up for him. If she did he wouldn't have had that dust up with Bethenny last season. In this season he was barely on for two minutes and he is nit picked for one word. 

Now don't me wrong. I nit pick everything Carole does. But that is because she is a nit wit. So she deserves to be nitpicked. Plus she is taking down serious change for this show so she has to take it.

The fact is it tells you something if you continue to be friends with people who disrespect your realtionship. It tells you that those friends or the money they bring you are more important than your realtionship. That is clear. It is clear that Dorinda doesn't respect John either. In word and deed she shows it almost every episode. He is a fool to put up with it. He is displacing his anger toward her friends. His beef is with her. He should run for the hills. He could do a lot better.

So what if you continue to be on a show where people disrespect your relationship and you are doing it for free? Where folks call you terrible names and come right out and say that you like to do drugs? Just for publicity and no paycheck? Is that better? Carole deserves to be nitpicked to death for the stupidest shit because she is getting paid, but John shouldn't because he hangs around for free? OK. 

[jaync]

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My understanding, John was the one who talked her into joining  RHONY.

Even so, it was ultimately Dorinda's decision. She obviously likes being a HW, or else she wouldn't still be on the show.

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Or, as John Mahdessian says: "Just because you charge $1 million doesn't mean you have $1 million." 

And? I'm not getting how that's supposed to be some kind of indictment of John or his finances.

[BBHN]

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And? I'm not getting how that's supposed to be some kind of indictment of John or his finances.

The dry-cleaner has no clothes.

Or, he just doesn't have as much money as he might be projecting to the world that he claims he does.

Edited May 21, 2017 by BBHN

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, jaync said:

It's a dumb reason to be mad at Ramona, just as it was a dumb reason to be mad at Sonja. Beth's dickness has far more of an effect on her bottom line than any of that Tipsy Girl bullshit ever could.

Mileage varies I guess, but as far as the stupid reasons these chicks find to be pissed, this seems pretty legit. Ramona sat right on the reunion stage and called Sonja a liar when she said that it had been Ramona's deal first. Ramona was just shocked at the very notion, and here is the proof that it was true. Good enough reason to be mad, IMO. 

[jaync]

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Or, he just doesn't have as much money as he might be projecting to the world that he claims he does.

When did John ever project/make claims about his wallet on this show?

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Ramona sat right on the reunion stage and called Sonja a liar when she said that it had been Ramona's deal first.

So, Ramona lied about the deal...it still doesn't personally affect Frankel.

[BBHN]

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When did John ever project/make claims about his wallet on this show?

People here on this board are saying it can be seen on the show that he is more affluent than Dorinda.

[ElDosEquis]

On ‎5‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 2:26 PM, KungFuBunny said:

Nope I'm a runner as in I run away from a Grubby Sleazy Douchebag.

There's a show called the Shahs Of Sunset. In season one, there was a guy named Sammy who sprayed a half bottle of cologne down his underwear. This is something I can see John MeDoucheian doing.

If you can smell your genitals when you go to the bathroom, you probably should use the whole bottle?

[Trooper York]

29 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

So what if you continue to be on a show where people disrespect your relationship and you are doing it for free? Where folks call you terrible names and come right out and say that you like to do drugs? Just for publicity and no paycheck? Is that better? Carole deserves to be nitpicked to death for the stupidest shit because she is getting paid, but John shouldn't because he hangs around for free? OK.

I call a guy that does that a fool. A fame whore. A dummy. Don't you get that I am criticizing him and offering him advice as to what he should do? 

I can guess why he is doing this. He loves Dorinda and is supporting her. Now I bet he thought it is a good thing to get his business on TV and that he wanted to get some degree of fame. But that has backfired every time he tried. Remember the party at his place where the stalker went after Luann and Ramona freaked out? I know many guys who get dragged into stupid shit because of what their wives want. And plenty of woman who get dragged into stupid shit because of their husbands. You especially see that on the Housewives with people like Heather of Orange County and Dorit of Beverly Hills. 

I am knocking John not praising him. I think he is stupid. He needs to wise up before he totally thrashes his business and reputation. If it is not too late already.

Same thing with Tom. He should back away. Not having his wedding on Bravo was a good first step. If they are on for another season he should really pull back. Only make cameos. Not engage. It would be a big mistake to come on to be more of a target.

Edited May 21, 2017 by Trooper York

[ElDosEquis]

23 hours ago, Trooper York said:

Boy youse guys are really picky. That's a problem? Seriously?

I mean "moist" was terrible and out of line. That was douchey in the extreme. But calling somebody "baby" when you meet them is wrong?

Political correctness run amuck. 

This is why John should not appear on Bravo. That is why no guy in his right mind should appear on any reality show unless it involves duck hunting or driving a truck. It's not for a normal regular guy. 

You need to be a prancing phony pony. Later for that noise.

Does living off the grid, Naked and Afraid and building little houses count?

[jaync]

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People here on this board are saying it can be seen on the show that he is more affluent than Dorinda.

They also are saying that it can be seen on the show that John never pays for anything. Wanting something to be true doesn't actually mean it is, which applies to all sides.

[Trooper York]

People do see what they want to see.

I see a knock around bridge and tunnel ethnic guy getting the high hat from a bunch of UES snobs. So it pisses me off. He is a dummy. 

I also see a guy who is getting married and having his wifes so called friends taking bets that the marriage won't last. Instead of putting a stop to it and telling them to screw off.

I also see a kid being tongue raped by an aging It girl just to get camera time. Have some respect for yourself dude.

Finally I see a guy stepping out of his marriage finally appearing on this shit storm and looking like he is making a hostage video. All to be the date of a woman who can not maintain a relationship as long as a butterfly's life.

If you think I am praising them and saying they shouldn't be knocked you are not paying attention.

Don't any of these guys have any balls?

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Dorinda paid for dinner the night she told John to take the EZ pass back home to Queens. 

Was this the dinner where John says he orders his favorite meal for himself and his second favorite for Dorinda so he can eat that too?

He's disgusting

[BBHN]

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They also are saying that it can be seen on the show that John never pays for anything. Wanting something to be true doesn't actually mean it is, which applies to all sides.

Different people.

[jaync]

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Different people.

Same principles regarding the same subjects.

[BBHN]

Obviously, since I was making that point, I was agreeing with the people expressing similar sentiments. Of course we all see and react to the show in different ways and look at it from different viewpoints.

I just saw that particular issue from the way some, not all, saw it. And from a different view than others did.

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Was this the dinner where John says he orders his favorite meal for himself and his second favorite for Dorinda so he can eat that too?

You'd think they'd just order 3 meals in that case...

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[Otherkate]

3 hours ago, Trooper York said:

That's a problem. That's the truth. Didn't you ever have a friend who was involved with someone you didn't like or respect? Did you constantly harp on it and attack them? Or did you respect your friends choices and leave them to it.

Dorinda chooses to consort with people who dislike him for money. To be on the show. She doesn't really stand up for him. If she did he wouldn't have had that dust up with Bethenny last season. In this season he was barely on for two minutes and he is nit picked for one word. 

Now don't me wrong. I nit pick everything Carole does. But that is because she is a nit wit. So she deserves to be nitpicked. Plus she is taking down serious change for this show so she has to take it.

The fact is it tells you something if you continue to be friends with people who disrespect your realtionship. It tells you that those friends or the money they bring you are more important than your realtionship. That is clear. It is clear that Dorinda doesn't respect John either. In word and deed she shows it almost every episode. He is a fool to put up with it. He is displacing his anger toward her friends. His beef is with her. He should run for the hills. He could do a lot better.

Dorinda makes it real easy for the other women to knock John because she seems to not like him much herself. Also, his business here is insanely successful and he's pretty well known. I doubt he needs Dorinda for money. He seems to genuinely love her to his detriment. I'm no John fan but I'd rather date him than Tom the toast of the Regency any day. Guy can't even offer hotel diversity. 

[zoeysmom]

47 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

People do see what they want to see.

I see a knock around bridge and tunnel ethnic guy getting the high hat from a bunch of UES snobs. So it pisses me off. He is a dummy. 

I also see a guy who is getting married and having his wifes so called friends taking bets that the marriage won't last. Instead of putting a stop to it and telling them to screw off.

I also see a kid being tongue raped by an aging It girl just to get camera time. Have some respect for yourself dude.

Finally I see a guy stepping out of his marriage finally appearing on this shit storm and looking like he is making a hostage video. All to be the date of a woman who can not maintain a relationship as long as a butterfly's life.

If you think I am praising them and saying they shouldn't be knocked you are not paying attention.

Don't any of these guys have any balls?

Actually I think Tom did take a stand.  He told Dorinda and Sonja if they didn't knock of the chatter and not be supportive of Luann, they were out.  Dorinda listened, Sonja kept flapping her gums.  Sonja seemed indignant that Tom would suggest such a thing.  The rancid piece of meat she is just never got Tom wasn't going to include her in his toasts to the bride to be.

I appreciated John at his event when he put his hand up to indicate to Ramona her mouth was inappropriate.  I thought Dorinda should have stood by him instead of being drunk and stupid and getting into a cab all exasperated with John.  His event and he didn't need an uninvited asshole like Ramona at his event.

I think this franchise might be the hardest to be a man to a RH.  It also seems to be the one with the highest divorce rate and the only franchise with all single women.  (Soon to change when Luann marries Tom.) The ladies might want to take a look at how they treat the menfolk.

[Martinigirl]

John should have had security take care of Ray. IMO John wanted the camera time.

[BBHN]

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It also seems to be the one with the highest divorce rate and the only franchise with all single women.  (Soon to change when Luann marries Tom.) The ladies might want to take a look at how they treat the menfolk.

Blaming it all on the women is a bit too easy. Also a bit unfair to compare to other shows, since this is the only one on where 2 of the current cast members are widows.

[WireWrap]

29 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Blaming it all on the women is a bit too easy. Also a bit unfair to compare to other shows, since this is the only one on where 2 of the current cast members are widows.

What does Carole/Dorinda being widows have to do with the NY show having a higher divorce rate among the wives? They are only 2 of the shows current HWs, that still leaves the majority of NY HWs as divorcee's, which still leaves them with a higher divorce rate compared with the other HW shows.

4 hours ago, Martinigirl said:

Dorinda paid for dinner the night she told John to take the EZ pass back home to Queens. 

She told him to leave, which he did, before they ate, so dinner should be on her. That in no way shows that he is after her for her money. We just don't know how much any of them are worth, HW or SO/husband on any of the HW shows. LOL

Edited May 21, 2017 by WireWrap

[BBHN]

Because lumping them into the singles crew to prove a point might skew the results?

[WireWrap]

Just now, BBHN said:

Because lumping them into the singles crew to prove a point might skew the results?

No, facts are facts, more NY HWs have been divorced than on any other HW show. Those facts can't be changed. Does it mean that the HWs were at complete fault for their divorces, of course not but they were all, except Carole, divorced at some point in their lives, Bethenny twice.

[BBHN]

I think OC trumps NY in that regard.

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, BBHN said:

I think OC trumps NY in that regard.

Heather was never divorced, nor was Lydia, I am not sure but I don't think Kelly has been divorced either, so the OC HWs have has less divorce than NY.

[Trooper York]

36 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Blaming it all on the women is a bit too easy. Also a bit unfair to compare to other shows, since this is the only one on where 2 of the current cast members are widows.

Facts are indeed facts. The fact there is not one woman that any single guy in his right mind would want to be involved with in any way. On other shows there is at least one sympathetic character that you could see hanging out with. Atlanta has Cynthia. Beverly Hills has Kyle and Eileen. Jersey has Kathy. Even Orange County had Lydia and Alexis. Who can you point to on this show? Ramona? Bethenny? Dorinda? Carole the Crypt Keeper?

They had those women in Kristen and Heather and they got rid of them. New York is the home base of dysfunctional. 

Maybe Tinsley can break the cycle. Lets hope.

[BBHN]

So we're just counting the current seasons? That could all change within a year...also, Heather ain't a HW anymore.

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Facts are indeed facts. The fact there is not one woman that any single guy in his right mind would want to be involved with in any way.

Who can you point to on this show? Ramona? Bethenny? Dorinda? Carole the Crypt Keeper?

Well, Bethenney was involved with a guy. Carole has a BF. Dorinda has a BF. And I personally like all 3 of them. So there is something about them that you don't see, though apparently I and others do. Mileage does vary indeed. I mean, Alexis as sympathetic? Yikes.

Edited May 21, 2017 by BBHN

[WireWrap]

2 minutes ago, BBHN said:

So we're just counting the current seasons? That could all change within a year...also, Heather ain't a HW anymore.

Ok, then that leaves Lydia and Kelly, neither of them have been divorced. Only Carole has never been divorced on the NY show.

[KungFuBunny]

7 minutes ago, BBHN said:

So we're just counting the current seasons? That could all change within a year...also, Heather ain't a HW anymore.

I have no idea what we're counting..lol

Oh BH, Kyle divorced before marrying Morrie, Kim went through 2 divorces, Adrienne divorced Paul, Brandi divorced Eddie, Yolanda was already divorced from Mohammed and then divorced David, Taylor was going to divorce Russell, Camille divorced Kelsey, Erika divorced the first husband before marrying Tom

Edited May 21, 2017 by KungFuBunny

[Trooper York]

Well I am speaking as one man as all of us can do. Of course your mileage will vary.

Dorinda has a boyfriend that so many posting here despise. Bethenny has a guy she already dumped after the season as she will never have a long term committed relationship with anything other than her mirror. Carole is spending this season trying to get rid of her plot contrivance as she wants her space back for more cats named baby.

I said "no guy in his right mind" would want to be involved with them. You cited two fame whores and a guy has seemed to carry a torch for decades.

Not right mind type guys. Just sayn'

[BBHN]

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Ok, then that leaves Lydia and Kelly, neither of them have been divorced. Only Carole has never been divorced on the NY show.

Wrong about Kelly.

http://allthingsrh.com/kelly-dodds-secret-first-marriage/

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Dorinda has a boyfriend that so many posting here despise. Bethenny has a guy she already dumped after the season as she will never have a long term committed relationship with anything other than her mirror. Carole is spending this season trying to get rid of her plot contrivance as she wants her space back for more cats named baby.

I said "no guy in his right mind" would want to be involved with them. You cited two fame whores and a guy has seemed to carry a torch for decades.

Not right mind type guys. Just sayn'

 

Regardless, that is men wanting them, whatever frame of mind they are in.

Edited May 21, 2017 by BBHN

[Trooper York]

I always thought Alexis Bellino was one the prettiest and kindest of all the Housewives. Along with Cynthia of Atlanta and Kathy of Jersey.

But once again that is just one man's personal taste.

It think the Real Housewives of New York would only leave a bad taste in your mouth.

I think this discussion belongs in a different thread about comparing housewives or something.

This episode was a time waster that did not advance the narrative.  The only thing that was remotely interesting was the appearance of Dennis who should have been wearing a red shirt if you know what I mean. This was just a time filler.

Edited May 21, 2017 by Trooper York

[BBHN]

Alexis was pretty before she got the work done.

Why watch something that would leave a bad taste in one's mouth? I still enjoy this show, even with all the faults the women have. I do enjoy watching them all, even Luann. If anything, this is probably the only HW show where I don't actively hate at least one of the HWs.

Edited May 21, 2017 by BBHN

[Trooper York]

What you have never hacked a lugie and spat it on the sidewalk? It gets rid of the bad taste in your mouth and clears your sinuses. 

I guess that is a Brooklyn thing.

[BBHN]

Oh, all the time. I just try to avoid purposefully and intentionally tasting something bad to begin with...

[BBHN]

All jokes aside about making out with younger guys, Ramona's seduction tactics...are they setting us up for Sonja vs. Tinsley later on in the season?

[KungFuBunny]

6 minutes ago, BBHN said:

All jokes aside about making out with younger guys, Ramona's seduction tactics...are they setting us up for Sonja vs. Tinsley later on in the season?

I think Sonja's hackles are up already.

First all of the other women take her "boyfriends"

Now in comes Tinsley taking her schtick/schpiel/persona of NY as the sexy hot thing liking younger men.

Sonja can't afford to lose her apple and why would Bravo need 2 ladies with the same story line.

I'm telling you, Sonja is going to push Tinsley down the elevator shaft at the townhouse

[WireWrap]

38 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Wrong about Kelly.

http://allthingsrh.com/kelly-dodds-secret-first-marriage/

 

Regardless, that is men wanting them, whatever frame of mind they are in.

Well, then they, NY/OC are even. LOL

[Martinigirl]

2 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I think Sonja's hackles are up already.

First all of the other women take her "boyfriends"

Now in comes Tinsley taking her schtick/schpiel/persona of NY as the sexy hot thing liking younger men.

Sonja can't afford to lose her apple and why would Bravo need 2 ladies with the same story line.

I'm telling you, Sonja is going to push Tinsley down the elevator shaft at the townhouse

Tinsley is going to be the next Gretchen. Stealing Sonja's storyline and trying to one up Ramona's over the top drink order.

[Atlanta]

23 hours ago, oakville said:

I like her. She is funny & pretty. She is less annoying than any of the other recent additions to the show.

I hope they keep her around and see what happens. Tired of drama dinners and Andy having some sort of weird fetish of cat-fights. Let these women live their lives. I tuned in for a voyeuristic view of the rich NYCers.

I guess since I live in Atlanta, I tuned out after the first season. Most of the women, at the time (when I stopped watching), were hot messes who were in debt. I was probably more posh than them, but we pay our bills and don't live beyond our means. I've also known folks who have had funny run-ins with Kim and fam and Sheree (was nasty to her staff though her ex was nice--yes, this was from someone who has no agenda).

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[Trooper York]

It is funny when you have a run in with a Real Housewive in real life. They are often totally different than how they seem on TV. 

For instance Kyle Richards, Kathy Walkie and Caroline Manzo were delightful.  Theresa, Kandi, Sonja and Ramona not so much.

To be fair Bethenny was exactly as advertised. A grade A super duper cu......errr.......you know what I mean. Just sayn'

[motorcitymom65]

2 hours ago, BBHN said:

All jokes aside about making out with younger guys, Ramona's seduction tactics...are they setting us up for Sonja vs. Tinsley later on in the season?

I just posted a preview of the next episode on the First Looks thread. Sonja goes all Dog Day Afternoon on Tinsley in one of the most ridiculous rants I've ever seen. 

[zoeysmom]

56 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I just posted a preview of the next episode on the First Looks thread. Sonja goes all Dog Day Afternoon on Tinsley in one of the most ridiculous rants I've ever seen. 

I agree, imagine having someone answer the door on your behalf.  Sonja needs to learn the fine art of dog doors.  What a jealous insipid bitch Sonja Morgan is and always has been.

[OnceSane]

Other HW shows and the people featured on those versions are not on topic.  Back to the episode, please. 

[breezy424]

The problem with this franchise as can be seen on this episode, is that this is no longer 'Real Housewives'.  It's become about the single ladies.  And now we have a 'new housewife' who is another single lady looking for love.  I really don't want the emphasis on this.  I have no problem with any 'housewife' being in the business world but I'm not interested in it all being about being single.   

Yeah, I get that Ro and Lu weren't planning on getting divorced.  But at the same time, they brought in single Carole, single Sonja, single Tinsley, single Dorinda, and double single Beth.