S05.E13: Steven and Justin's Story, Part 1

[notyrmomma]

On 4/4/2017 at 4:31 PM, BlazingBloomers said:

There are probably as many types of enablers as there are the enabled.  I can only speak my own truth...

I started by learning very young that I wasn't entitled to my own feelings.  When I was four I was upset about something, don't remember what it was but I told my mother I hated her.  I'm sure every kid does that at some point.  Instead of just telling me that I hurt her feelings and walking away for awhile till I calmed down she refused to speak to me for three days.  Once she started talking again I got another full day of "I don't know why I should talk to you.  You hate me."  I was four.

About a year later I was going out to play with some neighbor kids.  At the last minute my mom came up with some chore that needed to be done and I stamped my foot in frustration.  A loose tube in the TV fell onto the wiring and set the TV on fire.  The neighbors had to carry the TV outside before the house caught on fire.

That's just two examples of my immature attempts to speak my mind having catastrophic consequences.  There was also the unending litany of "You don't want to be selfish, do you?".  Selfish was the worst insult my mother could throw around.

Factor in years of perceived disappointment "Why did you only get 95 on your calculus test?" and you've created a real mess of a person.  This is someone who will work themselves sick trying to get that last 5% of approval who is also unable to speak up for themselves and set boundaries because their experience is that that always backfires horribly.

Fast forward many years and I was married to a man who had learned when he was young that throwing tantrums got him what he wanted.  Nothing physical just a lot of yelling.  I felt I couldn't be upset because my feelings didn't matter and I truly believed that if I had just tried harder he wouldn't be upset.  While it is happening you feel like a failure on such a basic level that it is hard to explain.  That's what I see with Lisa and James K.  She knows giving him the food will kill him but in the moment you really hate yourself because they are unhappy.  If you are fortunate enough to end up with a partner who is rational with realistic wants you'll be OK but that doesn't describe James K. or Steven Jr.  The best definition I ever heard for co-dependency was - taking someone else's temperature to see how you feel.

My husband also had many health issues so on top of everything else I was always ready to cut him some slack because he didn't feel well.  He's been gone for several years now and it took me a long time to realize that having health issues and being a jackass aren't mutually exclusive.  I don't doubt that Steven Jr. has true medical issues but all I see is a jackass that's going to exaggerate, lie, manipulate, scream, cry and whatever else he has to do to get what he wants when he wants it.

I agree with everyone who says we don't have the whole story on Steven Sr. and Steven Jr. but distance doesn't matter when it comes to co-dependency.  There were times that I was hundreds of miles away from home and my husband would call and go off about something.  I guarantee that if calling and ordering a pizza would have shut him up I would have done it.

Are we the same person?  I always tell people, being a bitch just doesn't work for me.  You and I are the polar opposite of Steven, right?  We also always seem to have a Steven in our lives too.

[hokeypokeyFOIA]

My WTF moment arrived when he made his dad order the pizza the second he moved into his apartment, then wouldn't even give his dad a slice, but the middle finger instead.

And yeah, he also reminded me of the Bjork stalker losing his mind on his home camera. So creepy.

The Facebook update gave me a little sense of justice, if anyone deserves to be in distress and left with nothing for his foray into fame, it's Steven. 

[Anchorabu]

Watching Supersized with mom, eating pepperoni pizza ? (couldn't help it)!

Mom's thoughts:

"Will he put on his shoes?! Why does he never have shoes?"

"You know, I think he's mental."

"I think he needs an exorcism."

[Mommyof2]

1 hour ago, Anchorabu said:

Watching Supersized with mom, eating pepperoni pizza ? (couldn't help it)!

Mom's thoughts:

"Will he put on his shoes?! Why does he never have shoes?"

"You know, I think he's mental."

"I think he needs an exorcism."

I wonder if people get to a size where they can't find shoes that fit properly...the foot becomes sort of a round shape.

[gonecrackers]

I was wondering about the shoes too but somehow Justin, as big as he was, always had on shoes.

[Mommyof2]

5 hours ago, hokeypokeyFOIA said:

My WTF moment arrived when he made his dad order the pizza the second he moved into his apartment, then wouldn't even give his dad a slice, but the middle finger instead.

And yeah, he also reminded me of the Bjork stalker losing his mind on his home camera. So creepy.

The Facebook update gave me a little sense of justice, if anyone deserves to be in distress and left with nothing for his foray into fame, it's Steven. 

That incident with the pizza made me want his dad to just say, "you're not underage anymore, from now on you're on your own, find an apartment and be out of my house within three weeks". But his dad is probably terrified to stand up to him.....and this is the only patient on the show where I would be scared, too.

Edited April 7, 2017 by Mommyof2

[hookedontv]

I just finished this and need to take a break before watching Part 2. I don't think there's anything new I can add that hasn't already be said by all you wonderful folks. He's a dispicable human being.  33 year old "man" who screams at everyone, throws tantrums (and throws urine,) and has kids' minion pillows for company in his hospital bed. 

BTW Dr. Now, his behavior has nothing to do with Steven being from "up North" and it's not about conforming to how things are done in TX. This crazy dude has no interest in basic manners or common decency. It's not a regional difference. It's that Steven is a nasty, nasty, nasty (did I say nasty?) human being. 

[ChiCricket]

2 hours ago, hookedontv said:

(and throws urine)

 It's that Steven is a nasty, nasty, nasty (did I say nasty?) human being. 

Worse than that, he YouTubed himself singing and playing with a ball of his own POO.

(I can't unsee that)

[Mommyof2]

3 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

Worse than that, he YouTubed himself singing and playing with a ball of his own POO.

(I can't unsee that)

Wait, for real? I only saw the pie video. He didn't really play with poop, did he?!

[ChiCricket]

6 minutes ago, Mommyof2 said:

Wait, for real? I only saw the pie video. He didn't really play with poop, did he?!

Yep 

Just now, ChiCricket said:

 

Yep, and sang while doing it.

[Yolo]

38 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

 

Yep 

I've never seen this, just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!!!!! DIFUCKINGUSTING! 

*Let's pray he gets the help he needs.

[Mommyof2]

I can't....I.....he....omg.

and he ended the video by saying something like "i need you to come clean me" or something.  If he can grab at the poop and play with it then he can grab some baby wipes and clean it up.  If I walked in on that I would walk right out. I would not clean him up, he is clearly capable of reaching down and cleaning himself up down there......

he just has a sick fetish of making people clean his privates....I have never seen a more disgusting and pathetic person.

So I watched another video of him and I had to stop it. Sometimes you see something you feel like is a train wreck and you can't look away, but this wasn't like that, I actually have to look away because I began to feel like I was going to vomit. Not exaggerating.

His father needs to just take his phone, tablet, laptop whatever AWAY. Not only  is he spending time doing this when he could be exercising, but  he is doing is specifically to get attention from people and feeding off the negative attention, it is sick and it needs to be stopped. As an adult he can do what he wants, but he is practically immobile and in his father's care- I'd take away the phone asap.

One more thing. He always seems so greasy and dirty. You know he didn't wash his hands very well after that video...and frankly there is not enough soap in the world to clean his hands after playing with his poop...it disgusts me that you know he was eating more food after that without actually being clean....seriously it is like he is not human.....

Edited April 8, 2017 by Mommyof2
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[Snarklepuss]

I haven't watched Part 2 yet, just saw Part 1.  I usually don't watch this show but Mr. Snarkle and I got sucked into this particular saga and now it's like a horror novel that we just can't put down.

A few thoughts:

Steven is not only stunted, he's twisted and mental and there's more going on with him than just being abused or whatever.  I agree that fetal alcohol syndrome could be involved.  His brother is not like him at all in some ways and seems ashamed to be associated with him.

He is very adept at manipulating the emotions of everyone around him.  He is like a toddler in terms of maturity level.  He doesn't think past what he wants when he wants it.  He knows how to play his father's guilt and he is emotionally blackmailing him.  Like the old Jewish mother joke where she sticks her head in the oven and threatens to turn it on.  For sure the father is afraid of what Steven might do if he doesn't give in to him, but it's also about his guilt over his own role in his children's situation, I'm sure.  He doesn't want to feel even more responsible if he doesn't give in and Steven does something to harm himself, which is all part of the emotional blackmail. 

I think a lot of what Steven does is for spite.  He is spiting his father and everyone around him by sabotaging himself.  Everyone is to blame, he has no sense of personal responsibility despite what he claims about wanting to get better.  He is slowly killing himself if only because doing it outright would end any perverse pleasure he gets out of spiting and manipulating his father and everyone else.

I haven't seen Part 2 yet but I don't have much hope for Steven.  Maybe his brother but not him.  I have watched this show before and feel right now that it would take a miracle for anything good to happen here.  At this point I can't imagine why these two would get 4 hours of show when 2 hours in already we're going backwards, not forwards.

[cynicat]

5 hours ago, Snarklepuss said:

At this point I can't imagine why these two would get 4 hours of show when 2 hours in already we're going backwards, not forwards.

Ratings.

[Calicocats]

14 hours ago, Mommyof2 said:

I can't....I.....he....omg.

and he ended the video by saying something like "i need you to come clean me" or something.  If he can grab at the poop and play with it then he can grab some baby wipes and clean it up.  If I walked in on that I would walk right out. I would not clean him up, he is clearly capable of reaching down and cleaning himself up down there......

he just has a sick fetish of making people clean his privates....I have never seen a more disgusting and pathetic person.

So I watched another video of him and I had to stop it. Sometimes you see something you feel like is a train wreck and you can't look away, but this wasn't like that, I actually have to look away because I began to feel like I was going to vomit. Not exaggerating.

His father needs to just take his phone, tablet, laptop whatever AWAY. Not only  is he spending time doing this when he could be exercising, but  he is doing is specifically to get attention from people and feeding off the negative attention, it is sick and it needs to be stopped. As an adult he can do what he wants, but he is practically immobile and in his father's care- I'd take away the phone asap.

One more thing. He always seems so greasy and dirty. You know he didn't wash his hands very well after that video...and frankly there is not enough soap in the world to clean his hands after playing with his poop...it disgusts me that you know he was eating more food after that without actually being clean....seriously it is like he is not human.....

How could it be worse than the shit video?

[Snarklepuss]

2 hours ago, cynicat said:

Ratings.

Oh of course, everything is for ratings, but that doesn't explain why they put on so far 2 hours of this depressing crap and not some other equally ratings-worthy positive story.  I mentioned that I don't normally watch this show but the few episodes I have seen have all featured progress and somewhat positive endings.  So far this is just depressing with no signs of hope, again unless a miracle occurs in the next episode.  I was not aware that this show would spend THIS much time on something THIS negative.  I guess I was wrong.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Snarklepuss
redundant word.

[Mommyof2]

2 hours ago, Calicocats said:

How could it be worse than the shit video?

That's what I was talking about, the video where he is playing with his poop. When you say the shit video, is that what you're talking about too- like, omg there isn't ANOTHER video about poop, right?

[chickenella]

9 hours ago, Calicocats said:

How could it be worse than the shit video?

I think Calicocats saw the same video that I saw. I don't know how many shit videos he has but there is another where he's eating poop.  Or attempting to. He's in the bed, reaches around to wipe himself and brings back the soiled tissue and he like tastes it, then gags. I fast forwared thru it but I think he throws up a little at the end. I need brain bleach to get the images out of my head.?

[Calicocats]

1 hour ago, chickenella said:

I think Calicocats saw the same video that I saw. I don't know how many shit videos he has but there is another where he's eating poop.  Or attempting to. He's in the bed, reaches around to wipe himself and brings back the soiled tissue and he like tastes it, then gags. I fast forwared thru it but I think he throws up a little at the end. I need brain bleach to get the images out of my head.?

Now I officially know there is a God, because by His grace I missed this video.  The one I saw was just playing with shit (which was bad enough).

[auntjess]

On ‎4‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 8:24 PM, Anchorabu said:

"Will he put on his shoes?! Why does he never have shoes?"

Does your mom watch My Big Fat Fabulous Life?  Whitney often doesn't wear shoes, and can't seem to keep them on long.

[AZChristian]

31 minutes ago, auntjess said:

Does your mom watch My Big Fat Fabulous Life?  Whitney often doesn't wear shoes, and can't seem to keep them on long.

It would be a hoot to hear your mom's opinion on a "professional dancer" who can't tie her own shoes or shave her own legs.

[chickenella]

On 4/8/2017 at 5:38 PM, Mommyof2 said:

So I watched another video of him and I had to stop it. Sometimes you see something you feel like is a train wreck and you can't look away, but this wasn't like that, I actually have to look away because I began to feel like I was going to vomit. Not exaggerating.

Ok, my mistake it was Mommyof2 I was trying to quote. (I was reading while at work from my phone, with a smaller screen I got mixed up with who said what). But Mommy's quote made me think of the other video I had seen, ugh. It seems that other people are re-posting his videos, this was posted by I guess another person, it showed up in the list of other (similar) videos on the right hand side on youtube while I was watching the poop playing one. I'm not posting a link, just search on youtube for "fatboygetdownlive eats" that's enough you need to type and it should get you to the shitshow, no pun intended.

[okerry]

7 hours ago, chickenella said:

I think Calicocats saw the same video that I saw. I don't know how many shit videos he has but there is another where he's eating poop.  

Hmm. Wonder what the calorie count is? Did he ever think of that? Will Dr. Now have to include this on the diet sheets? I'd love to hear what he had to say about this!

[Anchorabu]

2 hours ago, auntjess said:

Does your mom watch My Big Fat Fabulous Life?  Whitney often doesn't wear shoes, and can't seem to keep them on long.

Haha! Mom has a few times, Whitney annoys the crap out of her.  ("Is that supposed to be dancing?" "Wait, is she a lesbian now?") ?

[Anchorabu]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

it would be a hoot to hear your mom's opinion on a "professional dancer" who can't tie her own shoes or shave her own legs.

Lol! Yes mom can't handle lots of Whitney it seems. ("What on earth is she doing?" "What's wrong with her hair?" "Does she think that looks good?" "Does she not want to lose weight?" "Why does she think he likes her?" "That's disgusting!") It's very exhausting for poor mom!

[Lizz]

I just now saw the videos.  Do we think that's actual poop?  Not that I'm surprised, but it looks like a pile of cow shit.  I guess all those large cheese and pepperonis will do that to you.   

In one video he says he "hasn't seen his dick in years."  I can believe that.  He is such a pervert and I'll bet we can add a porn addiction to the list.  And if he can twerk for 5 minutes, he can pick up and empty urine bottles.  

I've been so concerned for the cat, but his posts make him sound like an animal lover. I really hope there is that much humanity in him for the cat's sake.  

[Calicocats]

The great irony of Steven playing with his shit...the whole rage behind the video with the nurses was because he was "sitting in shit" (oh the horrors!) so he had to call everyone abhorrent names.  But he can pick up, play with, and potentially eat his own shit for public consumption???

[NeitherSparky]

(I think this happened in the first part - I don't think I'm going to be watching these eps again)

No one else has commented on this I believe, but at one point Dr Now asked Steven how much weight he's lost or something, and Steven replied by sorta just...babbling at him...like going "Oh her hum hermamen" etc while shrugging and making faces and he probably thought that was cute but it severely creeped me out. Sorry, kind of a random observation, but, was just thinking about it. Like it just seemed so unbalanced. Dr Now just kinda stared at him when he did that.

[BlazingBloomers]

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1 hour ago, NeitherSparky said:

No one else has commented on this I believe, but at one point Dr Now asked Steven how much weight he's lost or something, and Steven replied by sorta just...babbling at him...like going "Oh her hum hermamen" etc while shrugging and making faces and he probably thought that was cute but it severely creeped me out. Sorry, kind of a random observation, but, was just thinking about it. Like it just seemed so unbalanced. Dr Now just kinda stared at him when he did that.

 

That moment did stand out to me also because the attitude seemed different.  We've seen him yell, cry, threaten and plead but not this.  When he did the stammering all I could think of was - very bad actor failing miserably at looking guilty and repentant.  I do believe he thought it was cute in kind of an endearing way, still a fail.

He always has some smart comment to make and this was one of the few times, if not the only one, when he didn't seem to be able to spew words.  It's like he was trying out a new type of response and hasn't perfected the act yet.

[chickenella]

4 hours ago, NeitherSparky said:

(I think this happened in the first part - I don't think I'm going to be watching these eps again)

No one else has commented on this I believe, but at one point Dr Now asked Steven how much weight he's lost or something, and Steven replied by sorta just...babbling at him...like going "Oh her hum hermamen" etc while shrugging and making faces and he probably thought that was cute but it severely creeped me out. Sorry, kind of a random observation, but, was just thinking about it. Like it just seemed so unbalanced. Dr Now just kinda stared at him when he did that.

I thought that hummna hummna hummna was a Jackie Gleason impression.

[Marilee]

On 3/30/2017 at 10:22 AM, POPTARTIN said:

Lurker on many boards, first post.

With everything said about Dr.Now and shouldn't have let him be a patient, he is totally in this for the viewers and rating himself and saw nothing but viewers and ratings for him with this case.

I live in the Houston area and my mom works in healthcare, and has worked with Dr.Now. Shes on the admin side so sees all their licenses/lawsuits/reviews, gets their hospital privileges  and everything and he is no saint. He is known to only take the bigger people who should not have the surgery due to their risks. This show is such a cash cow for him. Many many people have died on the table and during his treatments than ever should, most due to they should have never even been close to the OR or the crazy diets he puts in place. He definitely has a reputation in Houston and the med center of what kind of doctor he is, how hard he is to work with and for, and generally just not a great person. I wouldn't let him touch my dog. 

Welp that's the answer to my question about why Dr Now continues to be part of this hot mess! I started to add that I'd think he'd be concerned that he could end up jeopardizing his reputation with his colleagues and future patients. Apparently, he was doing that way before the show. Thanks for posting! I'm definitely going to do some googling later. There's nothing I like more than falling  down a good rabbit hole ? 

Edited April 20, 2017 by Marilee
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[Terminally Annoyed]

I know we're not supposed to be mean on here, but Steven is so despicable.  He had NO success on the show, but I have an idea.  

Put the rude jerk (naked) into a high-walled kiddie pool with a drain that leads to the sewer system.  He can poop and pee in there, and the flushing system is a shower of soapy water, then a rinse.  
At breakfast time, you toss him a head of iceberg lettuce.  At lunchtime, a bag of carrots.  For dinner, if he hasn't been himself a complete asshat he can have a grilled or baked chicken breast.  For a snack, a container of no-fat Greek yogurt or tablespoon of peanut butter   Oh, and the room's soundproof.  We'll keep this routine for 6 months, then have a weigh-in.

 

THEN we'll see what's what.

[Yolo]

24 minutes ago, Terminally Annoyed said:

I know we're not supposed to be mean on here, but Steven is so despicable.  He had NO success on the show, but I have an idea.  

Put the rude jerk (naked) into a high-walled kiddie pool with a drain that leads to the sewer system.  He can poop and pee in there, and the flushing system is a shower of soapy water, then a rinse.  
At breakfast time, you toss him a head of iceberg lettuce.  At lunchtime, a bag of carrots.  For dinner, if he hasn't been himself a complete asshat he can have a grilled or baked chicken breast.  For a snack, a container of no-fat Greek yogurt or tablespoon of peanut butter   Oh, and the room's soundproof.  We'll keep this routine for 6 months, then have a weigh-in.

 

THEN we'll see what's what.

????????????????

Agree on so many levels. By the way I love your name, think I'll put that on a tee shirt!??

[essexjan]

OMG, I watched this tonight (Part 1, edited down to an hour in the UK) and the ONLY good thing I can say about this is that he didn't say "Owww, mah laygs" at any point.

Usually with this show, even where the patients are difficult or unco-operative, I still have some sympathy for them, as it must be hell  to be in that situation. Particularly when they go out in public and are stared at, I feel sorry for the loss of dignity and for the embarrassment these people must feel. But this is the first time where I felt that someone had forfeited their right to be treated like a human being.

[Trees]

On 4/28/2017 at 2:23 PM, Terminally Annoyed said:

I know we're not supposed to be mean on here, but ...

We're not?  ;)

[DC Gal in VA]

On 5/5/2017 at 8:15 PM, essexjan said:

OMG, I watched this tonight (Part 1, edited down to an hour in the UK) and the ONLY good thing I can say about this is that he didn't say "Owww, mah laygs" at any point.

Usually with this show, even where the patients are difficult or unco-operative, I still have some sympathy for them, as it must be hell  to be in that situation. Particularly when they go out in public and are stared at, I feel sorry for the loss of dignity and for the embarrassment these people must feel. But this is the first time where I felt that someone had forfeited their right to be treated like a human being.

Well since you started it essexjan............

I usually hope that all of those featured on this show ultimately reach and maintain a healthy goal weight. Yes, even Penny, Pauline, Marla, Cynthia and James K. As truly despicable as I find all of them, and many, many more of the hateful, lazy, entitled trainwrecks we've seen, I want them to eventually succeed. I cannot in all good conscience wish upon anyone the misery of being trapped in a morbidly obese body.

Except for Steven.

I don't know how many comments you've read, but several have suggested that he is so amoral, so without conscience, and seems to enjoy hurting and conning people that, were he more mobile, he could be a serial killer. I actually agree, to a point. IMHO, Steven is way too lazy to repeatedly hunt down multiple victims and then do the hard work of hiding all those bodies. I see him more like an Ariel Castro type, you know, the one in Cleveland who lured three young victims to his home and held them for ten years so he could do with them as he pleased. Now I think that type of behavior would be right up Steven's alley.

When I was watching him, there was something so depraved about his aura that it seemed to leach through the tv screen. Not just your garden variety waste of space 600+ pounder, but something very vile and potentially dangerous. Someone here commented that he sets off that feeling when someone you just met makes your skin crawl. I totally agree.

Of course, he's very similar to all of the other famewhore people who populate television and the internet just hoping to do something, anything outrageous enough to achieve their quick and easy, "just add water" path to wealth and fame. Think skanky Snooky of the Jersey Shore, any of the talent-free Unreal Housewives of wherever, the Krapdashians. Sad to say, but his mindset is very prevalent in our society today. Why bother with going to college or learning a trade and working hard when you can just do some wacked out shit on YouTube, get a reality tv show, and rake in millions? That crap has actually worked for some people.

Please Steven, go on inhaling pizzas, stay humongous, keep doctor shopping and scoring hundreds of pills and leave the rest of us the Hell alone.

Edited to make clear that when I said "garden variety waste of space 600+ pounder" was most definitely NOT talking about those just from this season alone like the twins Brandi and Kandi, Chad, Doug, and the all time M600PL sweetheart, Nikki.

Edited May 8, 2017 by DC Gal in VA

[Complexity]

33 minutes ago, DC Gal in VA said:

I usually hope that all of those featured on this show ultimately reach and maintain a healthy goal weight. Yes, even Penny, Pauline, Marla, Cynthia and James K. As truly despicable as I find all of them, and many, many more of the hateful, lazy, entitled trainwrecks we've seen, I want them to eventually succeed. I cannot in all good conscience wish upon anyone the misery of being trapped in a morbidly obese body.

Except for Steven.

I'm the same way. But I can even wish good things for Steven. I think it's either because of my training to be a psychotherapist or the reason why I've chosen that as my preferred career.

I see Steven* the same way in which I see other people with severe mental illness. I feel sorry for them. Because I truly believe their mental illness is so advanced that they have almost no hope of ever being successfully treated. So while I may be repulsed by Steven's behavior, I know I can turn off the TV and move on with my life without any of his crap. Steven cannot. He is forever doomed to live his life in what I believe is an absolutely miserable combination of being lonely, having no pride or dignity, and lacking the ability to love and feel loved. I cannot imagine going through life being that sick.

I have treated people incarcerated for heinous crimes (child rape, multiple murders from spree killings, etc.) who have serious mental health problems. When you remove the crimes and look at the person inside, it's truly sad. They are forever trapped inside their lives. They are not happy. They do not experience love. They are not truly alive by my measure of living. They are their own personal hell.

So, yeah, I wish good things for all of them, even Steven. I wish there was some way of helping him so he can become a productive and enjoyable member of society. I wish he could be the son and brother his family wants and deserves. I wish he could be helped so he would stop spreading so much pain to all those in which he comes in contact (nurses, doctors, caretakers). I wish there was something that could be done to help any human being that sick so they can be taken out of the hell in which they are living and giving to others. Unfortunately, there are some mental health disorders that we cannot yet treat very successfully. So I believe the odds of Steven being successfully treated are very slim at best.

33 minutes ago, DC Gal in VA said:

I don't know how many comments you've read, but several have suggested that he is so amoral, so without conscience, and seems to enjoy hurting and conning people that, were he more mobile, he could be a serial killer. I actually agree, to a point. IMHO, Steven is way too lazy to repeatedly hunt down multiple victims and then do the hard work of hiding all those bodies. I see him more like an Ariel Castro type, you know, the one in Cleveland who lured three young victims to his home and held them for ten years so he could do with them as he pleased. Now I think that type of behavior would be right up Steven's alley.

When I was watching him, there was something so depraved about his aura that it seemed to leach through the tv screen. Not just your garden variety waste of space 600+ pounder, but something very vile and potentially dangerous. Someone here commented that he sets off that feeling when someone you just met makes your skin crawl. I totally  agree.

What you are describing is a person with Anti-Social Personality Disorder (ASPD). Unfortunately, it is currently considered untreatable. One of the main hallmarks of this disorder is the person's lack of empathy for others. It is what allows them to treat others in horrible ways (rape, torture, murder) without any emotion or conscious. It is estimated that about 1-2% of the population has ASPD (think about that the next time you're out in public; 1-2 out of every 100 people has ASPD on average). Fortunately, most are not dangerous serial rapists or murders.

 

*Disclaimer: I have not seen Steven in person nor have I ever seen him in any professional capacity as a therapist. My comments are merely my personal opinion of the character (not the real person) shown on TV and social media which I believe is neither fully accurate or complete.

Edited May 6, 2017 by Complexity

[TurtlePower]

9 hours ago, Complexity said:

I'm the same way. But I can even wish good things for Steven. I think it's either because of my training to be a psychotherapist or the reason why I've chosen that as my preferred career.

I see Steven* the same way in which I see other people with severe mental illness. I feel sorry for them. Because I truly believe their mental illness is so advanced that they have almost no hope of ever being successfully treated. So while I may be repulsed by Steven's behavior, I know I can turn off the TV and move on with my life without any of his crap. Steven cannot. He is forever doomed to live his life in what I believe is an absolutely miserable combination of being lonely, having no pride or dignity, and lacking the ability to love and feel loved. I cannot imagine going through life being that sick.

I have treated people incarcerated for heinous crimes (child rape, multiple murders from spree killings, etc.) who have serious mental health problems. When you remove the crimes and look at the person inside, it's truly sad. They are forever trapped inside their lives. They are not happy. They do not experience love. They are not truly alive by my measure of living. They are their own personal hell.

So, yeah, I wish good things for all of them, even Steven. I wish there was some way of helping him so he can become a productive and enjoyable member of society. I wish he could be the son and brother his family wants and deserves. I wish he could be helped so he would stop spreading so much pain to all those in which he comes in contact (nurses, doctors, caretakers). I wish there was something that could be done to help any human being that sick so they can be taken out of the hell in which they are living and giving to others. Unfortunately, there are some mental health disorders that we cannot yet treat very successfully. So I believe the odds of Steven being successfully treated are very slim at best.

 

*Disclaimer: I have not seen Steven in person nor have I ever seen him in any professional capacity as a therapist. My comments are merely my personal opinion of the character (not the real person) shown on TV and social media which I believe is neither fully accurate or complete.

I respect your opinion as a professional, but I just don't have as much empathy for Steven, even if his condition is not his fault.  If he cannot be helped, I hope he eats himself into the grave so we don't have to hear about him any more. 

[Complexity]

1 hour ago, TurtlePower said:

I respect your opinion as a professional, but I just don't have as much empathy for Steven, even if his condition is not his fault.  If he cannot be helped, I hope he eats himself into the grave so we don't have to hear about him any more. 

That's understandable. It's to be expected that different people will have different reactions to someone like Steven. I think your reaction is more representative of most people than mine.

[TurtlePower]

4 hours ago, Complexity said:

That's understandable. It's to be expected that different people will have different reactions to someone like Steven. I think your reaction is more representative of most people than mine.

This is likely because I also dealt with the victims and saw the harm these people are capable of. Even if they have no compassion or conscience, aren't they still able to make choices? I don't feel bad when I step on a bug, yet I can choose whether or not to step on one. Even if they do not care, don't they have the capacity to choose not to harm someone? 

Sorry to digress, I love helping people and it's also my job; I just don't have room in my brain to care for the Stevens of the world if they cannot be helped. Here's lack of compassion back at ya, Steven. 

[Snarkasm]

On 5/5/2017 at 7:15 PM, essexjan said:

OMG, I watched this tonight (Part 1, edited down to an hour in the UK) and the ONLY good thing I can say about this is that he didn't say "Owww, mah laygs" at any point.

 

Sumbody's got their fangernails in mah leyg!

[Calicocats]

9 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

This is likely because I also dealt with the victims and saw the harm these people are capable of. Even if they have no compassion or conscience, aren't they still able to make choices? I don't feel bad when I step on a bug, yet I can choose whether or not to step on one. Even if they do not care, don't they have the capacity to choose not to harm someone? 

Sorry to digress, I love helping people and it's also my job; I just don't have room in my brain to care for the Stevens of the world if they cannot be helped. Here's lack of compassion back at ya, Steven. 

There are a lot of people in the world who need help and only so much of my time.  I will be damned if I use it on someone like Steven.

The minute you start harming other people, you're done to me.  I honestly believe he's done some pretty fucked up shit to Justin, and the way he treated the other human beings on the show is simply inexcusable.  I will never be capable of feeling sympathy for him.

Fuck that asshole.

[Nancypants]

I m thinking someone please call an Exorcist. It seems like a demon is torturing him. 

And I barely believe in that stuff, but if anyone has ever been possessed its Steven.

Edited May 7, 2017 by Nancypants

[DC Gal in VA]

18 hours ago, Calicocats said:

There are a lot of people in the world who need help and only so much of my time.  I will be damned if I use it on someone like Steven.

The minute you start harming other people, you're done to me.  I honestly believe he's done some pretty fucked up shit to Justin, and the way he treated the other human beings on the show is simply inexcusable.  I will never be capable of feeling sympathy for him.

Fuck that asshole.

THIS so much!

I remember how he looked "soulfully" at the camera in Part 1 and told us about his terrible childhood and his alcoholic mommy and her abusive boyfriends so we could see him as a victim. He conveniently left out how he victimized his brother Justin since you know everything is all about him.

I truly feel sorry for anyone who had to endure a Hellish childhood but, as you said Calicocats, I draw the line when you knowingly and gleefully harm and use other people. Sorry Steven, but no one IMHO gets to wrap themselves in victimhood while they continuously abuse others.

It's like when some of the child molesters, looking for sympathy, say they were molested as children, although I've read that a large percentage of them reported that they were never molested as children. That always infuriates me since they, more than anyone, should know what an awful form of abuse that is but choose to do the same sick shit to an innocent child.

I personally think that Steven is just a twisted, perverted, evil POS, and there just ain't no fixin' evil. The world would be that much more less safe if he were to achieve a normal size. Look at all the mayhem he's able to do at 700 pounds. I mean 39 prescriptions, 17 hospitals/doctors, and hundreds of pills in just a couple of months?

As far as Steven goes, double fuck that asshole. Hopefully, Justin and Steven, Sr. can keep a safe distance from this creep.

Edited May 8, 2017 by DC Gal in VA
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[auntjess]

I saw a post on Facebook, saying that Justin had started a gofundme, to move to Texas, and someone complained and Justin said he was taking it down.
I thought he had shop in RI.

[DC Gal in VA]

1 hour ago, auntjess said:

I saw a post on Facebook, saying that Justin had started a gofundme, to move to Texas, and someone complained and Justin said he was taking it down.
I thought he had shop in RI.

I believe he had decided to go ahead and get the weight loss surgery auntjess. Didn't he say that to Steven in their face time conversation near the end of Part 2? If so, I really don't understand why someone would complain about that unless it's because he's Steven's brother. At least he was trying to raise funds himself and not try to get dear old dad to finance it like Steven.

[auntjess]

I don't know.  I've forgotten how it ended, except that he had some type of game store. 
I think I tried to put that episode out of my mind.

[Calicocats]

I'd send Justin a donation.  I wish him well.  I think he's genuinely a good kid- a bit of a lost soul, but not a bad person...like some other cast members on this show.  

[Pretty5Vacant]

It would be bad ass if Justin lost weight and Steven didn't so he could get under Steven's skin for a change. I hate wishing ill on Steven but he's such a clown and it would be interesting to see how he would react

[Otter]

He has a new fb (sorry if it's been posted prior)

https://www.facebook.com/Stevenjohnassanti

It's like he's trying to turn over a new leaf and not be such a monster.  Damage is done though, yet he does have some fans there.  IIRC, he wanted to be some sort of star.  I don't even think Big Brother would want him.  

Nice to see that Cupcake is doing well.