S07.E10: Hostile Hacienda

[motorcitymom65]

44 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Kyle brought up the "latest" rumor, not Lisa, which was, in Kyle's mind, the pregnancy rumor not the cheating rumor. And Lisa was correct, she was accused of cheating on Ken, and visa versa, in the tabloids a season or 2 before that and addressed it on camera herself.

Did you watch the clip, because that isn't at all what happened.  At least not the gist of it.  Kyle brought up the pregnancy rumor, and then LVP went on to say that there were lots of rumors, including the ones about Mauricio. Is there still some doubt that LVP was the one to introduce this topic into the show? 

Edited February 10, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[WireWrap]

20 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Did you watch the clip, because that isn't at all what happened.  At least not the gist of it.  Kyle brought up the pregnancy rumor, and then LVP went on to say that there were lots of rumors, including the ones about Mauricio. Is there still some doubt that LVP was the one to introduce this topic into the show? 

They were talking about Kyle saying she "felt attacked by Lisa" to the tabloids. Lisa mentions that there are a lot of "rumors" and Kyle says something to her about the "latest rumor", her being pregnant" and Lisa again says there are a lot including the "cheating rumor" and that Kyle has to get "ahead of them" like she, Lisa, did. And, Yes, I did watch/listen to the video.

[zoeysmom]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

They were talking about Kyle saying she "felt attacked by Lisa" to the tabloids. Lisa mentions that there are a lot of "rumors" and Kyle says something to her about the "latest rumor", her being pregnant" and Lisa again says there are a lot including the "cheating rumor" and that Kyle has to get "ahead of them" like she, Lisa, did. And, Yes, I did watch/listen to the video.

The issue was LVP wanted to keep bringing it up to Kyle.  Kyle was trying to explain/apologize about the "attack" statements.  All one had to do was watch the Reunion the season before when LVP and Ken were unnecessarily nasty to Mauricio and Kyle, to see why she felt attacked.  I do think they were pretty much over Season 3 and then Brandi and LVP kept up the tabloid stuff.  The one that seemed to put it all in perspective was Ken, when he said he did not believe them as Mauricio was his friend.  Part B came after lunch at Carlton's when some reporter asked Brandi if she was bullying Kyle.  So Brandi once again drunk went after Kyle. 

Which brings us to Rinna.  She was highly critical of Kyle for forgiving LVP, and yet she is apparently testing the boundaries of Kyle's forgiveness by flat out lying to her about on air comments.  I do not understand, regardless of the made up drama by Rinna last year and going after LVP, that she is so angry still with Kim she thinks she can get away with this nonsense this year.  LVP has Rinna in her sights.  Rinna painted the target, so she really can't complain.

What happened Game Night was not some huge defeat for Rinna.  I don't know if she just can't resist a hot topic because she can then "bring it"  or assumes will forever forgive her because not to according to Rinna would be Kyle enabling Kim.  It is frustrating because now they have to get another's permission to pass along information.  Oh yeah, Rinna did give Kyle permission Season 5 and then left her hanging when called out. 

[RHJunkie]

4 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

I don't know why Eileen, who will repeatedly pursue any slight up to and including LVP being dismissive towards her, when  she likened her behavior to being Brandi-ish, has such a difficult time, calling Rinna out on clearly inappropriate behavior, and now lying.  More therapy Eileen.  http://www.allabouttrh.com/2017/02/10/eileen-davidson-defends-bff-lisa-rinna-insists-she-is-seriously-trying-to-not-discuss-kim-richards-sobriety/  Politicians should put as much thought into their positions as Eileen spends with her wiggle room.

Eileen proved last season that her truth is the truth that's convenient for her. The most she's willing to say about Rinna's ugly behaviour is 'I don't agree with her' but she won't call Rinna out at all. Even her blog this week was focused on Dorit's misrepresentation of Rinna's bag of pills. You want to talk about misrepresentation and not even touch on the most important part of the episode regarding her bestie misrepresenting a situation as fact when it's really just her bias, unresolved issues with Kim that prompted her to say irresponsible things to a stranger along with asking that stranger to use their experience to improve the relationship of two people she doesn't even know. I get staying out of the fray when your friend is involved but given how gung ho Eileen has been on fighting for truth, outing wrongs, etc. what she chooses not to say this season is just as damning as what she chose to say last season. As much as Eileen talked smack about LVP, she's actually doing what LVP does often - when she's your friend, she'll quickly acknowledge your wrongdoing and then try to rationalize, or comment about 'x' being a good person. And when you aren't friends with LVP, she's more than happy to sit and listen to the gossip...and sometimes even partake in it. Eileen is the same but way more dramatic about it.

Edited February 10, 2017 by RHJunkie

[ElDosEquis]

5 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

But that's all on P.K. and not Erika, regardless of how someone feels about the word "cunt." 

I worked with a woman who reveled in saying, "I am such a bitch" and "I am PMS-ing", as a way to excuse her bad behavior/crabby-ness.

I was OK fine for HER to say that, but when people told her she WAS acting like an asshole?

She thought that people were being rude and didn't like her.

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I had a wonderful laugh at the LVP/Kyle talk about LR and her comments about Kim.

Instead of waiting to have the convo at a 'neutral site'?

Nope, it HAS to be done while on vacation, for maximum effect?

Of course there has to be drama, but I would think that slinging shit to the host/hostess shows that you really have a hard time keeping your mouth shut and/or picking a more appropriate time to dish on some gossip?

 

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[TattleTeeny]

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I worked with a woman who reveled in saying, "I am such a bitch" and "I am PMS-ing", as a way to excuse her bad behavior/crabby-ness.

I was OK fine for HER to say that, but when people told her she WAS acting like an asshole?

She thought that people were being rude and didn't like her.

 

She sounds like the type who posts FB memes that say, "If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best" or whatever the hell that shit is.

[zoeysmom]

50 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

I worked with a woman who reveled in saying, "I am such a bitch" and "I am PMS-ing", as a way to excuse her bad behavior/crabby-ness.

I was OK fine for HER to say that, but when people told her she WAS acting like an asshole?

She thought that people were being rude and didn't like her.

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I had a wonderful laugh at the LVP/Kyle talk about LR and her comments about Kim.

Instead of waiting to have the convo at a 'neutral site'?

Nope, it HAS to be done while on vacation, for maximum effect?

Of course there has to be drama, but I would think that slinging shit to the host/hostess shows that you really have a hard time keeping your mouth shut and/or picking a more appropriate time to dish on some gossip?

 

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It could have been worse, LVP could have waited for Rinna to arrive and announce her conversation with Eden.  At least this way the ball is in Kyle's court if she wants to bring it up.  If I were Kyle I would want to know, before the time share presentation (kidding). 

[Ketzel]

On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 0:00 PM, zoeysmom said:

Rinna's daughter didn't walk in yesterday's Hilfiger show.  Instead mother and daughters dressed head to toe in Hilfiger to show their support.  Rinna center of attention:  http://people.com/style/lisa-rinna-delilah-belle-amelia-tommy-hilfiger-show/  I guess she wasn't all that at Tommy Hilfiger's September 2016 show. 

How Yolanda must have been smirking, as Bella and Gigi walked in the show while Rinna's daughters were mere "spectators."

[Miss Slay]

Rinna is so ridiculous.

And what's with modeling now - does being related to famous people suddenly make you good looking?

[lololol]

21 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

I would think that Eden would relish not sleeping in the bed with sweaty , bloated PK while on vacation.

PK's initials should be changed to PU. MAJOR a hole.

[lololol]

13 hours ago, queenjen said:

i don't know...Lisar in her Joan Rivers sparkly evening jacket teamed with 'I'm young and hip and happening, baybeeee' Converse is definitely giving Erika's allegedly fashion forward ensemble a run for its money. No doubt Erika could justify it with a label, like the tshirt dress of yore. How young and fresh does Eileen look in the midst of this pack of drag queens?

Eileen looks the BEST. VanderPLUMP hasn't a CLUE on how to dress. Her hairstyle is SO outdated and unflattering.

[lololol]

On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 3:17 PM, KungFuBunny said:

Erika Giradi/Erika Jayne blurs the lines when she is in group settings.

At the Great Gatsby party – she was there as Erika Giradi wife of a prominent lawyer dressed up as a gangsta moll. She already had a negative incident with PK & Dorit. She knows via Dorit that allegedly her husband saw her pretty little puss all night long. PK has no social skills whatsoever and is a pig. He’s hovering over Erika and you know he is leering down her dress.  She should have said can you stand over there by your wife as I don’t want Dorit to say that you saw my pretty little nipples. No instead she says she cold and she’s a cunt. She loves that word. She doesn’t seem to get that saying that in front of PK (Prick King) will have him thinking she is that literally and he’s looking for any excuse to treat her in a condescending manner. In my opinion those are words Erika Jayne would use NOT Erika Giradi.

As for makeup and hair in Mexico..I kind of think Mikey was in that double bed next to her. Screaming Next Level!!!!  off camera behind every bush, sand castle and banana tree.

ErICKa is a TOTAL cunt and PROUD of it. What a classless piece of trash.

[Trooper York]

You can find Punta Mita in Mexico near Puerto Vallarta.

You can find Puta Major at Brandi Glanville's house.

[breezy424]

I'm getting more and more bored with the storylines this season.  First, there was 'pantygate' and now it's LR and Kim....again.  Add to that a dash of Eden's 'truth' and 'zen'.  I don't care about Erika Jayne's career or videos.  I also don't care that much about any celebrity's child walking in a fashion show.  And in reply to some who have stated that this is the thing, I don't think that's necessarily true.  I think there's a whole bunch of celebrity kids out there who are not about 'modeling' or reality shows for that matter. 

I do like the house porn courtesy of The Agency. 

I want to see more fun...with a little bit of drama.  Maybe that's why I love Bambi sightings.  Bambi is fun.  She's mischievous.  She's my kind of girl. 

[zoeysmom]

9 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I'm getting more and more bored with the storylines this season.  First, there was 'pantygate' and now it's LR and Kim....again.  Add to that a dash of Eden's 'truth' and 'zen'.  I don't care about Erika Jayne's career or videos.  I also don't care that much about any celebrity's child walking in a fashion show.  And in reply to some who have stated that this is the thing, I don't think that's necessarily true.  I think there's a whole bunch of celebrity kids out there who are not about 'modeling' or reality shows for that matter. 

I do like the house porn courtesy of The Agency. 

I want to see more fun...with a little bit of drama.  Maybe that's why I love Bambi sightings.  Bambi is fun.  She's mischievous.  She's my kind of girl. 

It feels as if they go into the season with a few ideas about fun parties, travel and property porn and then someone usually has a tiff and it creates alliances for the rest of the year.  The only not racking up screen time for the sake of drama seems to be Kyle.  Then there are the grudge holders, LVP and Erika.  She really doesn't like talking things to death as some of the others do, Eileen, Rinna, Dorit, and Eden seem to be guilty of creating something that bothers them into multiple episodes.  I don't care about Erika Jayne's videos or 'The Young and The Restless", I get it Eileen has worked there since the beginning of time. 

They have Hong Kong coming up. 

[AndySmith]

I don't really see Ericka as being a grudge holder. If anything, she and Kyle seem to be the most relaxed and chill this season (so far). LVP...more of a stealth grudge holder.

[nexxie]

On 2/9/2017 at 6:08 PM, RedheadZombie said:

Delilah?  How about 14 y/o Mason?  I will never understand why mothers push so hard to get their daughters into an industry filled with eating disorders, poor self-esteem, and predators.  Yet Yolanda, Rinna, and Camille have done it.   And all of these daughters come from families with money and can afford the finest educations.  Delilah and Mason aren't quite college age yet, but we saw how Yolanda countermanded "daddy's" desire for his daughters to get an education.  Not letting the daddies off the hook, either.   At least Yo and Rinna had supposed age restrictions (17) before they were allowed to start.  Camille - WTF?

imo these mothers are using their girls - extensions of themselves - to get attention. Without the younger versions of themselves, their own days in the spotlight would be much more limited.

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, AndySmith said:

I don't really see Ericka as being a grudge holder. If anything, she and Kyle seem to be the most relaxed and chill this season (so far). LVP...more of a stealth grudge holder.

I see Erika and her creepy husband Tom as the stealth grudge holder.  This year I think she is pretty zeroed in on Dorit.  Erika is never getting over Pantygate and in spite of Kyle, Dorit and PK all claiming to have seen her puss, she pretty much denies it even happened.   She had absolutely no reason to dislike LVP last year and she went in strong and still appears to hold her at bay.  LVP has always been up front about her grudges -going back to Season 2,   Adrienne, Kyle, then Yolanda, Brandi, moving on to Eileen and Rinna.   Surprisingly, LVP doesn't seem to have issues with Erika.

[AndySmith]

I don't see it that way at all. I think Ericka is over pantygate, and has been over it for quite a while. Not sure what Tom has to do with this, since he has barely been in this season. Also, how she never have gotten over it but at the same time is pretty much denying it happened?

If she has been zeroing on Dorit, which I haven't seen yet, I don't blame her, given the potshots Dorit keeps taking at her every once in a while. It might just be a general dislike of Dorit, as opposed to holding a grudge LVP style.

Edited February 11, 2017 by AndySmith

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, AndySmith said:

I don't really see Ericka as being a grudge holder. If anything, she and Kyle seem to be the most relaxed and chill this season (so far). LVP...more of a stealth grudge holder.

I am really digging the Erika/Kyle friendship. It seems organic and I love their conversations that focus on their similarities. Erika seems to be a good listener, and a very supportive friend. Last season I was completely "meh" on her. I didn't really have any strong convictions about her one way or the other. This season I am really loving her. 

[TattleTeeny]

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I don't really see Ericka as being a grudge holder.

I don't either! Like, less so than any of them, it seems to me. I mean, maybe she does in real life or in that fabled cutting-room-floor footage, but she seems actually like the coolest cucumber in this bunch.

 

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ErICKa

Every time I see this, that Mean Girls "fetch" quote pops into me head. 

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

Every time I see this, that Mean Girls "fetch" quote pops into me head. 

Yep, its really not LOL...

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[motorcitymom65]

15 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

I don't either! Like, less so than any of them, it seems to me. I mean, maybe she does in real life or in that fabled cutting-room-floor footage, but she seems actually like the coolest cucumber in this bunch.
 

Agree completely. She seems more able than most to just let things go. A lot like Kyle actually. Last season she was royally pissed at Kathryn for repeating the "sniper from the side" comment, but she got over it pretty quickly. I don't see any residual feelings from Pantygate, and in the same situation, I would still be giving Dorit the side-eye for running around chatting with everyone about it. She just seems to move on. She admits she is guarded and doesn't trust easily. I like a gal who knows herself, and she seems to know herself quite well. She has been treated unfairly by others. Kathryn ran right to LVP to tattle about what she said last season, and this year she had Dorit running around gossiping about her. In neither instance had she done anything to deserve to be treated in such a manner, yet she just lets it go. 

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, AndySmith said:

I don't see it that way at all. I think Ericka is over pantygate, and has been over it for quite a while. Not sure what Tom has to do with this, since he has barely been in this season. Also, how she never have gotten over it but at the same time is pretty much denying it happened?

If she has been zeroing on Dorit, which I haven't seen yet, I don't blame her, given the potshots Dorit keeps taking at her every once in a while. It might just be a general dislike of Dorit, as opposed to holding a grudge LVP style.

Erika is not over it all, as in forgiving and moving on, she just moved on.  I understand her being embarrassed, and she has said things like,"he should have said, close your legs, E'", or when she said it was the talking about her outside her presence.  Tom is the one that started the crap with LVP calling her an alligator and  waiting for her prey.  He had never met the women when he said such things.  He was borrowing on a grudge from Erika she gained from being Yolanda's fake friend. 

It is strange because of all the RH who should be friendly it should be Dorit and PK, if only for the reason of her singing career and him managing Boy George, who apparently likes Erika.   If Erika is mad over Dorit's mention of Rinna's pill bag, it will just further my point that she is not only a grudge holder but she drafts off other people's grudges.  Erika gives has been just as curt to Dorit as Dorit has been to her.  She likes putting Dorit down.  The Connecticut comment and the turned 40 a week ago are two examples.  Neither time did Dorit deserve it and both times Erika was kind of misstating Dorit's position. 

The other Erika does is skirt the big issues such as RInna's complicity in the "enabler" and "sober" issues surrounding Kim.  She is quick to slap Eden down, but Eden wasn't alone in her comments.

[zoeysmom]

13 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Agree completely. She seems more able than most to just let things go. A lot like Kyle actually. Last season she was royally pissed at Kathryn for repeating the "sniper from the side" comment, but she got over it pretty quickly. I don't see any residual feelings from Pantygate, and in the same situation, I would still be giving Dorit the side-eye for running around chatting with everyone about it. She just seems to move on. She admits she is guarded and doesn't trust easily. I like a gal who knows herself, and she seems to know herself quite well. She has been treated unfairly by others. Kathryn ran right to LVP to tattle about what she said last season, and this year she had Dorit running around gossiping about her. In neither instance had she done anything to deserve to be treated in such a manner, yet she just lets it go. 

Here's the thing and this goes to Erika's grudge holding, she made the comments on camera and then deflecting by saying Kathryn should not have repeated the comments and the repeating of the comments were a hurdle in her forming a friendship with LVP.  It would have been Kathryn's fault when the comments came to light for not repeating them. That is Erika wanting to have it both ways and not taking responsibility for her making the comments but weighing in early on what she thought of LVP.  It is similar to this year and Rinna blaming being too trusting and opening up to Eden for her comments about Kim.  Neither want to take responsibility for the comments they made.  Erika was treated poorly by Bethenny, and Kyle did ask Bethenny to intervene.  Erika also basically called Kyle pathetic because of her "levered" friendship with LVP and was dismissive of Kyle.   Kyle had done nothing to Erika.

Erika misuses the term guarded what she is strategic.  She strategically chooses who is in and who is out.  She strategically decides when to weigh in (in her blogs) on Rinna.  Erika is an easy mark because she is easily pandered and Eileen and Rinna have it down to a fine science, whereas Kyle is just real about her friendship with Erika. 

Trust me, Erika has not let go of Dorit.

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Erika has said she considers LVP a true friend.  All subject to change once they see the season unfold and of course the Reunion.

[AndySmith]

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Erika is not over it all, as in forgiving and moving on, she just moved on.  I understand her being embarrassed, and she has said things like,"he should have said, close your legs, E'", or when she said it was the talking about her outside her presence.

It is possible to move on and not forgive someone without still holding a grudge. Not forgiving them doesn't always mean you hold a grudge, it just means you've moved on past that incident and don't care to be that involved with that person.

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Tom is the one that started the crap with LVP calling her an alligator and  waiting for her prey.  He had never met the women when he said such things.  He was borrowing on a grudge from Erika she gained from being Yolanda's fake friend. 

I'm not really sure what Tom has to do with this discussion, since this all stuff that happened last season and really has zero relevance to what it going on this season.

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It is strange because of all the RH who should be friendly it should be Dorit and PK, if only for the reason of her singing career and him managing Boy George, who apparently likes Erika.   If Erika is mad over Dorit's mention of Rinna's pill bag, it will just further my point that she is not only a grudge holder but she drafts off other people's grudges.  Erika gives has been just as curt to Dorit as Dorit has been to her.  She likes putting Dorit down.  The Connecticut comment and the turned 40 a week ago are two examples.  Neither time did Dorit deserve it and both times Erika was kind of misstating Dorit's position. 

Dorit and PK have been dismissive of Ericka for a while Don't forget, Dorit put down Ericka's singing career as a hobby, which, not the best idea if you are trying to be friendly. Who said Ericka is mad at Dorit for the pill reveal? We have seen zero indication of her being mad at all. Her wanting to give Rinna the benefit of the doubt before lighting the torch and grabbing the pitchfork has nothing to do with holding a grudge, it just means she wants all the facts. Even LVP shut down Dorit about the pill thing, since Dorit was implying there was something nefarious about and LVP rightly pointed out she needed more facts before going that route. I'm not sure how much Ericka was misstating Dorit's position, especially in the comments about being 40 (it would be like Camille or Rinna opening a pop-up food truck for a week and talking to LVP like she's been in the restaurant business for ages as well).

I still maintain the Eileen genuinely likes Ericka, and unlike Rinna, it isn't coming from trying to form some strategic alliance.

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

Here's the thing and this goes to Erika's grudge holding, she made the comments on camera and then deflecting by saying Kathryn should not have repeated the comments and the repeating of the comments were a hurdle in her forming a friendship with LVP.  It would have been Kathryn's fault when the comments came to light for not repeating them. That is Erika wanting to have it both ways and not taking responsibility for her making the comments but weighing in early on what she thought of LVP.  It is similar to this year and Rinna blaming being too trusting and opening up to Eden for her comments about Kim.  Neither want to take responsibility for the comments they made.  Erika was treated poorly by Bethenny, and Kyle did ask Bethenny to intervene.  Erika also basically called Kyle pathetic because of her "levered" friendship with LVP and was dismissive of Kyle.   Kyle had done nothing to Erika.

Erika misuses the term guarded what she is strategic.  She strategically chooses who is in and who is out.  She strategically decides when to weigh in (in her blogs) on Rinna.  Erika is an easy mark because she is easily pandered and Eileen and Rinna have it down to a fine science, whereas Kyle is just real about her friendship with Erika. 

Trust me, Erika has not let go of Dorit.

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Erika has said she considers LVP a true friend.  All subject to change once they see the season unfold and of course the Reunion.

I just cannot see how the deal with Kathryn is an example of her holding a grudge. It seems like just the opposite to me.  She was mad at her for betraying what she said, but she didn't hold it against her. She didn't let it stop her from forming a cordial relationship. She didn't hold a grudge against Kyle for the way that Beth treated her. And I'm not sure how it would have been Kathryn's fault for not giving LVP a heads up as to what Erika had said. Did Kathryn and LVP have any type of a relationship? Were they close friends? Why would LVP expect for Kathryn to run to her with things that are being said about her? Just because Brandi did it, doesn't mean that LVP is entitled to this from every person she brushes up against, and I don't think that LVP has any expectation of this. I have always thought that if Kathryn would have kept her mouth shut, and let the season ride out, things might have turned out differently. Sure, LVP would have been irritated when she saw the footage, but if they had gone on to develop a friendship, I don't think that Erika's early impression of her would have mattered. She was able to let go of Brandi calling her a "60 year old" early in the season because they struck up a relationship later in the season. LVP said it made her mad when she saw the footage, but she didn't let it turn into a long term thing.

The deal with Kathrynm and now the deal with Eden, just shows that some of these chicks come on and want to relive the Brandi deal. Go to LVP with stuff and try to get her on your side. If you can do this, while you might make some mistakes, you will have a major person in your corner and a huge segment of the viewing audience will forgive you for those mistakes if LVP forgives you. The old formula still basically holds. Get LVP on your side and you can probably kill a person on 5th avenue and be forgiven. Or reveal a surrogacy. Once someone goes against her, however, they are basically done. 

Edited February 11, 2017 by motorcitymom65

[Almost 3000]

28 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

The deal with Kathrynm and now the deal with Eden, just shows that some of these chicks come on and want to relive the Brandi deal. Go to LVP with stuff and try to get her on your side. If you can do this, while you might make some mistakes, you will have a major person in your corner and a huge segment of the viewing audience will forgive you for those mistakes if LVP forgives you. The old formula still basically holds. Get LVP on your side and you can probably kill a person on 5th avenue and be forgiven. Or reveal a surrogacy. Once someone goes against her, however, they are basically done. 

I think this isn't really true any longer. Lots of fans have gone neutral or worse on LVP and I'm pretty sure a new wife has to bring it on her own to stick around. I used to be more on LVP's side than not and except for her trying to out Mo as a cheater and convenient friend she's generally fairly reasonable. I lurk on a board that seems to lean younger (working 20-30s) than here and Erika is queen and LVP not so much. For many LVP has lost her sparkle and I'm pretty sure she now needs Kyle's friendship to keep in play. 

[zulualpha]

I think Erika is so much looser this year than last.  Last season she was much quieter in groups while now she seems to just yell out what she's thinking or feeling at the moment.  On the bus to the hacienda from the airport she was sitting in the back listing off all of her wants, margarita, burrito etc.  pretty much talking to herself like your basic toddler.  Nobody batted an eye so I'm guessing this is her personality.  Nothing wrong with it.  Dorit tends to blurt stuff out as well like telling Lisa to get the stick out of her ass, which is an enjoyable trait in a housewife imo.  

Erika doesn't have her glam squad with her in Mexico and seems to be doing okay.  Dorit said she's glad she has PK with her for support, Kyle has Maurico this trip and Lisa has Ken.  The men may be a stabilizing influence so hopefully they won't be going to Hong Kong lol.

[Vicky8675309]

I'm a bit confused. I thought I heard Erika say to Dorit, as they were leaving the dinner table, "Oh she said it alright" (wtte) which basically means she thinks Rinna is guilty. However, IIRC, her talking head (filmed later) she says she needs more facts (wtte).

[motorcitymom65]

37 minutes ago, Almost 3000 said:

I think this isn't really true any longer. Lots of fans have gone neutral or worse on LVP and I'm pretty sure a new wife has to bring it on her own to stick around. I used to be more on LVP's side than not and except for her trying to out Mo as a cheater and convenient friend she's generally fairly reasonable. I lurk on a board that seems to lean younger (working 20-30s) than here and Erika is queen and LVP not so much. For many LVP has lost her sparkle and I'm pretty sure she now needs Kyle's friendship to keep in play. 

You could be right. Certainly the crown is tarnished.  I think we will soon find out. I don't remember a HW getting such a negative reaction from almost everyone as has Eden.  Well, maybe Carlton.  Unlike Kyle and LVP, we were in the loop as to Eden's conversation with Lisar, yet still most found her to be a loony stalker. Even folks that strongly dislike Kim wanted Eden to back off. It will be interesting to see if that changes.  

[AndySmith]

38 minutes ago, Vicky8675309 said:

thought I heard Erika say to Dorit, as they were leaving the dinner table, "Oh she said it alright" (wtte) which basically means she thinks Rinna is guilty

What was said was:

Dorit: You don't know anything for sure.

Ericka: Oh, I think we know it for sure.

Granted, with the way this show is edited sometimes, who know what "it" is lol

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, zulualpha said:

I think Erika is so much looser this year than last

She's probably finding it easier to move around this year because living in the confinement of Yolanda's ass must have been confining.

[kokapetl]

Erika doesn't carry grudges, because she doesn't care about anything. It's the only way she can look at herself in the mirror. 

[zoeysmom]

@andy smith,I am going to reply first about Tom, he knows what making a record is all about.  His comments were recorded be it this season or last season he knows how to make a record and tried desperately to minimize his wife's comments with deflection-which is what attorneys do.  Season to season is not wiped out anymore than episode to episode.  Tom knows all about making a record.  It didn't help that Erika freaked out because both LVP and Kathryn asked a pretty innocuous  question about how Yolanda and Erika met.

2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I just cannot see how the deal with Kathryn is an example of her holding a grudge. It seems like just the opposite to me.  She was mad at her for betraying what she said, but she didn't hold it against her. She didn't let it stop her from forming a cordial relationship. She didn't hold a grudge against Kyle for the way that Beth treated her. And I'm not sure how it would have been Kathryn's fault for not giving LVP a heads up as to what Erika had said. Did Kathryn and LVP have any type of a relationship? Were they close friends? Why would LVP expect for Kathryn to run to her with things that are being said about her? Just because Brandi did it, doesn't mean that LVP is entitled to this from every person she brushes up against, and I don't think that LVP has any expectation of this. I have always thought that if Kathryn would have kept her mouth shut, and let the season ride out, things might have turned out differently. Sure, LVP would have been irritated when she saw the footage, but if they had gone on to develop a friendship, I don't think that Erika's early impression of her would have mattered. She was able to let go of Brandi calling her a "60 year old" early in the season because they struck up a relationship later in the season. LVP said it made her mad when she saw the footage, but she didn't let it turn into a long term thing.

The deal with Kathrynm and now the deal with Eden, just shows that some of these chicks come on and want to relive the Brandi deal. Go to LVP with stuff and try to get her on your side. If you can do this, while you might make some mistakes, you will have a major person in your corner and a huge segment of the viewing audience will forgive you for those mistakes if LVP forgives you. The old formula still basically holds. Get LVP on your side and you can probably kill a person on 5th avenue and be forgiven. Or reveal a surrogacy. Once someone goes against her, however, they are basically done. 

Of course it would make a difference.  Kathryn and LVP had just as much a relationship as anyone else and Kathryn was fairly reasonable. IT WAS ON CAMERA, which changes everything, much like Erika doing her running and telling to Yolanda and denying it  and later confirming it.  I don't think Erika ever had aby intentions of being friends with LVP and that never changed last season.

I don't think LVP has anymore or less power than anyone else.  It was never in the cards for Erika and LVP to develop a friendship last season.  Erika was the eyes and ears for Yolanda.  Kathryn was brought in to hype OJ Simpson show-either with awareness or by signing the contract. 

I am not buying the get LVP on your side, I think the ones playing the power game are Eileen and Rinna trying to win everyone over to their side.

Edited February 11, 2017 by zoeysmom

[AndySmith]

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@andy smith,I am going to reply first about Tom, he knows what making a record is all about.  His comments were recorded be it this season or last season he knows how to make a record and tried desperately to minimize his wife's comments with deflection-which is what attorneys do. 

I'm still not sure what that has to do with keeping a grudge, partly because we haven't seen Tom acting on it all this season, and partly because...not sure what deflection/acting like a lawyer has to do with keeping a grudge either.

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Season to season is not wiped out anymore than episode to episode.  Tom knows all about making a record.  It didn't help that Erika freaked out because both LVP and Kathryn asked a pretty innocuous  question about how Yolanda and Erika met.

I guess then that would make it ok for Eileen or any of the other women to keep rehashing stuff from previous seasons...

[motorcitymom65]

33 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Of course it would make a difference.  Kathryn and LVP had just as much a relationship as anyone else and Kathryn was fairly reasonable. IT WAS ON CAMERA, which changes everything, much like Erika doing her running and telling to Yolanda and denying it  and later confirming it.  I don't think Erika ever had aby intentions of being friends with LVP and that never changed last season.

I don't think LVP has anymore or less power than anyone else.  It was never in the cards for Erika and LVP to develop a friendship last season.  Erika was the eyes and ears for Yolanda.  Kathryn was brought in to hype OJ Simpson show-either with awareness or by signing the contract. 

I am not buying the get LVP on your side, I think the ones playing the power game are Eileen and Rinna trying to win everyone over to their side.

You could be right about LVP and Erika never getting to a friend place because of Yo. We will never know in the end. Maybe they will end up being friends. 

I still don't get the part about how Kathryn was duty bound to run to LVP. Is that the case every time anyone has a conversation that is on camera? I am sure over the years I have heard many folks say things about other members of the cast. Were they wrong not to run over to the person being discussed and tell them about it? If that is the rule, lots of these ho'wives are breaking it. 

Regarding LVP having more power, I am not so sure that she does, but I think that newbies sometimes think that she does. Why didn't Eden just go directly to Kyle with what Lisar had said? I think she said something about not being comfortable with her or some such nonsense, but why run to LVP? I think because LVP scared her with all of that "I will kick your ass if you come after my girl stuff" and she decided to get out in front of it and get LVP on her side, because the thinking is that this is the key. Otherwise, you go right to the source of the issue, which is with Kyle. 

[nexxie]

3 hours ago, Kokapetl said:

Erika doesn't carry grudges, because she doesn't care about anything. It's the only way she can look at herself in the mirror. 

What keeps her from being able to look at herself in the mirror - guilt, shame, something else?

(She might be pretending not to care in order to protect herself.)

Edited February 11, 2017 by nexxie

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

You could be right about LVP and Erika never getting to a friend place because of Yo. We will never know in the end. Maybe they will end up being friends. 

I still don't get the part about how Kathryn was duty bound to run to LVP. Is that the case every time anyone has a conversation that is on camera? I am sure over the years I have heard many folks say things about other members of the cast. Were they wrong not to run over to the person being discussed and tell them about it? If that is the rule, lots of these ho'wives are breaking it. 

Regarding LVP having more power, I am not so sure that she does, but I think that newbies sometimes think that she does. Why didn't Eden just go directly to Kyle with what Lisar had said? I think she said something about not being comfortable with her or some such nonsense, but why run to LVP? I think because LVP scared her with all of that "I will kick your ass if you come after my girl stuff" and she decided to get out in front of it and get LVP on her side, because the thinking is that this is the key. Otherwise, you go right to the source of the issue, which is with Kyle. 

Why was Erika duty bound to run to Yolanda and tell her what was being discussed at Kyle's party?  Erika kind of set the stage for run and tell.  So I am not understanding why Erika would expect anything different from Kathryn-or anyone else.  At least Kathryn never denied it-like Erika did.  So they play the whole season out, and all of a sudden during the Reunion they play the tape and trust me, all eyes would turn to Kathryn for not spilling.  This isn't like crap Rinna pulls out of thin air claiming was said during filming with LVP and Kyle denying it.  I don't know if it is a RH rule, but I would have let LVP in on what Erika thought of her.  It is not as if Erika's opinion of LVP changed, she went in hard at her in Dubai.  I will say Kyle, the voice of consistency did call Kathryn out for saying she was okay with Faye and then doing a big flip.  Words have consequences and if you say it you need to stand by it.  It is called real world.

Eden had her chance to tell Kyle and Kim where the info came from regarding Kim and she balked.  That is on her.  The only thing I would say, is because the party was nice it might have been a blessing to delay telling the source of the information to delay or prevent another Kim vs. Rinna moment.  After the party Eden had gotten the message she was persona non grata when it came to the Richards sister. Eden received the message-no invitation for her to Mexico.  Not my view, apparently because LVP had known her father, Eden feels like she has some connection and owes her some level of respect. In addition to the fact, LVP let her know her foot would be up her arse if she was talking smack about Kyle.  I do believe in Eden's pointed little head she thought Rinna would "own it".  HAHAHAHA.  Instead Rinna bailed on her.

The source of the issue would be Kim and secondarily Kyle.  In a perfect world, Rinna would have been present.  Would have loved to see her spin.    Alas, they have decided not to pit Rinna against Eden. 

[Vicky8675309]

7 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Why was Erika duty bound to run to Yolanda and tell her what was being discussed at Kyle's party?  Erika kind of set the stage for run and tell.  So I am not understanding why Erika would expect anything different from Kathryn-or anyone else.  At least Kathryn never denied it-like Erika did.  So they play the whole season out, and all of a sudden during the Reunion they play the tape and trust me, all eyes would turn to Kathryn for not spilling.  This isn't like crap Rinna pulls out of thin air claiming was said during filming with LVP and Kyle denying it.  I don't know if it is a RH rule, but I would have let LVP in on what Erika thought of her.  It is not as if Erika's opinion of LVP changed, she went in hard at her in Dubai.  I will say Kyle, the voice of consistency did call Kathryn out for saying she was okay with Faye and then doing a big flip.  Words have consequences and if you say it you need to stand by it.  It is called real world.

Eden had her chance to tell Kyle and Kim where the info came from regarding Kim and she balked.  That is on her.  The only thing I would say, is because the party was nice it might have been a blessing to delay telling the source of the information to delay or prevent another Kim vs. Rinna moment.  After the party Eden had gotten the message she was persona non grata when it came to the Richards sister. Eden received the message-no invitation for her to Mexico.  Not my view, apparently because LVP had known her father, Eden feels like she has some connection and owes her some level of respect. In addition to the fact, LVP let her know her foot would be up her arse if she was talking smack about Kyle.  I do believe in Eden's pointed little head she thought Rinna would "own it".  HAHAHAHA.  Instead Rinna bailed on her.

The source of the issue would be Kim and secondarily Kyle.  In a perfect world, Rinna would have been present.  Would have loved to see her spin.    Alas, they have decided not to pit Rinna against Eden. 

Agree!

BIB: you mean when Erika flat out LIED about it. I think this is one of the reasons I can't get on the Erika bandwagon (I don't get all the adoration for Erika)

[HunterHunted]

9 hours ago, AndySmith said:

Dorit and PK have been dismissive of Erika for a while Don't forget, Dorit put down Erika's singing career as a hobby, which, not the best idea if you are trying to be friendly. 

Dorit meant it as a bit of a dig, but it really shouldn't be thought of as one. Erika Jayne was and is almost certainly not paying for itself. However, Erika's salary is probably helping to defray the costs. What would you say to a person who has a career that loses money? You'd tell them to stop or that this is a very expensive hobby. It doesn't pay itself. However, I'm sure that the exposure she gets on this show helping Erika Jayne to get closer to break even.

I don't know that she'd admit it out loud, but Dorit's hibernating swimwear line and Erika Jayne have a lot in common. They're both hoping this show can get them to the next level. Dorit let her line go dormant when she married and started having kids. She showed at Mercedes Benz Fashion Week. Erika Jayne has had a song on a movie soundtrack; she's worked with some big artists, but I don't know how much it has translated into sales and she's never been able to cross over to the pop charts.

Erika's songs chart on the Billboard Dance Hit Chart, which is not nothing. However, it's easy to manipulate if you have money. Songs chart based on self report data by DJs at nightclubs. If you can afford to completely subsidize a performance to the extent that a club isn't really paying you anything, the club pretty much has to start playing your songs in the days and weeks leading up to the show to make sure you have a familiar and enthusiastic crowd at the performance. Next thing you know, you now have a bunch of nightclub play to report.

[AndySmith]

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Dorit meant it as a bit of a dig, but it really shouldn't be thought of as one. Erika Jayne was and is almost certainly not paying for itself. However, Erika's salary is probably helping to defray the costs. What would you say to a person who has a career that loses money? You'd tell them to stop or that this is a very expensive hobby. It doesn't pay itself. However, I'm sure that the exposure she gets on this show helping Erika Jayne to get closer to break even.

But you don't say that to someone you just met and/or barely know. Just like when hosting a party, you don't tell a guest that what they are wearing now is a step up from their previous outfit, even as a joke if you're not that close to that person.

Granted, I don't have access to Ericka's financial records, so have no idea what the state of her profitability is. It's possible this show might be giving her singles and albums a boost in sales. And you can't dismiss someone's career and call it a hobby just because it isn't financially successful.

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However, it's easy to manipulate if you have money. Songs chart based on self report data by DJs at nightclubs. If you can afford to completely subsidize a performance to the extent that a club isn't really paying you anything, the club pretty much has to start playing your songs in the days and weeks leading up to the show to make sure you have a familiar and enthusiastic crowd at the performance. Next thing you know, you now have a bunch of nightclub play to report.

[lunastartron]

26 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

But you don't say that to someone you just met and/or barely know. Just like when hosting a party, you don't tell a guest that what they are wearing now is a step up from their previous outfit, even as a joke if you're not that close to that person.

Granted, I don't have access to Ericka's financial records, so have no idea what the state of her profitability is. It's possible this show might be giving her singles and albums a boost in sales. And you can't dismiss someone's career and call it a hobby just because it isn't financially successful.

But  I guess you DO cut off a person you barely know in a social setting with dismissive and/or low-on-listening-comprehension remarks like "you are an American! You're from Connecticut!" (when the person you barely know has made no assertions to the contrary) and "you've been forty for a week!" Of shush them in their own home while they're hosting you (see: Erika's behavior at Kathryn's San Diego home). 

Besides, when did Dorit ever say anything about the semantics of the career/hobby dichotomy TO Erika? She (correctly) made the remark in a talking head. 

[zoeysmom]

23 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

But you don't say that to someone you just met and/or barely know. Just like when hosting a party, you don't tell a guest that what they are wearing now is a step up from their previous outfit, even as a joke if you're not that close to that person.

Granted, I don't have access to Ericka's financial records, so have no idea what the state of her profitability is. It's possible this show might be giving her singles and albums a boost in sales. And you can't dismiss someone's career and call it a hobby just because it isn't financially successful.

Similarly you don't take pot shots at someone during casual conversation about their sense of humor, (especially while flashing your puss) or interrupt to take a cheap shot when someone is trying to compliment you and describe their feelings regarding women in their forties.  Two way street.  Another bit of advice to Erica-don't wear a T-Shirt to a party where there is a specified dress code and then throw out a designer's name as a way of justifying a poor choice.  Her homage to Shamu at the Daily Mirror, a white party, was by accident, she said she didn't realize it was a white party.  Reading is essential.  If you can't respect the hosts' wishes either stay home or risk being called out.  Dorit and Erika are not on friendly terms.

Erika could turn her hobby into a business put she has such huge costs associated with her act that it will take Lady Gaga like sales to cover her costs.  Eleven people to Greece for a two hour set is pretty solid evidence that she runs her business at a loss. 

[lunastartron]

9 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

You could be right about LVP and Erika never getting to a friend place because of Yo. We will never know in the end. Maybe they will end up being friends. 

I still don't get the part about how Kathryn was duty bound to run to LVP. Is that the case every time anyone has a conversation that is on camera? I am sure over the years I have heard many folks say things about other members of the cast. Were they wrong not to run over to the person being discussed and tell them about it? If that is the rule, lots of these ho'wives are breaking it. 

Regarding LVP having more power, I am not so sure that she does, but I think that newbies sometimes think that she does. Why didn't Eden just go directly to Kyle with what Lisar had said? I think she said something about not being comfortable with her or some such nonsense, but why run to LVP? I think because LVP scared her with all of that "I will kick your ass if you come after my girl stuff" and she decided to get out in front of it and get LVP on her side, because the thinking is that this is the key. Otherwise, you go right to the source of the issue, which is with Kyle. 

This seems contradictory to me. If Eden should have gone to Kyle directly because that's who the discourse involved - well, isn't that what Kathryn did? She informed Lisa about the content of the dialogue she had with Erika because Lisa was the subject of the discussion. 

[AndySmith]

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But  I guess you DO cut off a person you barely know in a social setting with dismissive and/or low-on-listening-comprehension remarks

I don't see that as cutting off, that is just back and forth in a conversation.

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Another bit of advice to Erica-don't wear a T-Shirt to a party where there is a specified dress code and then throw out a designer's name as a way of justifying a poor choice

A T-Shirt dress is still a dress. I can understand if some of the other HWs might not get it, but Dorit, who is involved in the fashion industry, would or should be somewhat more receptive to it. Was there a dress code for Dorit's party?

As for the White party, wasn't that being held at one of LVP's restaurants? If anyone should have called out Ericka for not wearing the proper all white, it would have been her, not the others.

[zoeysmom]

5 minutes ago, AndySmith said:

I don't see that as cutting off, that is just back and forth in a conversation.

A T-Shirt dress is still a dress. I can understand if some of the other HWs might not get it, but Dorit, who is involved in the fashion industry, would or should be somewhat more receptive to it. Was there a dress code for Dorit's party?

As for the White party, wasn't that being held at one of LVP's restaurants? If anyone should have called out Ericka for not wearing the proper all white, it would have been her, not the others.

There was a dress code for Dorit's party-that is what was behind Dorit's comment,  just as there had been one for Erika's party and a T-Shirt dress just didn't cut it there either.  It is not about getting it and who designed it-it is about showing a little regard for the hosts' wishes.  Everyone else was at least at the level of cocktail attire which is what they were going for.  Had Erika worn it to the Gatsby Party would it have been okay-because Dorit and Kyle know fashion?

No one called Erika out for not wearing white-Erika said, "I didn't know it was a white party."  Which is why I don't think she pays attention-more interested in what her gaggle of stylist instead of concern for the hosts' feelings.  

[AndySmith]

Cocktail party attire is a bit more open to interpretation and less flexible than Great Gatsby party attire, since one is a bit more specific than the other. FWIW, I felt Rinna was a bit under-dressed and too casual at Dorit's party, unless my memory of what she wore was off, but thought Ericka was fine.

Then again, from what others told me, Rinna's look was fine for a cocktail party.

Edited February 12, 2017 by AndySmith

[RMc17101]

On 11 February 2017 at 1:17 AM, Miss Slay said:

Rinna is so ridiculous.

And what's with modeling now - does being related to famous people suddenly make you good looking?

If you are or were a Real Housewife in Beverly Hills, yup! So ridiculous. Rinna's like Mama Rose with her kid on IG.

[Granimal]

Dorit is the queen of repetition. Keep trying to work in that "bag of pills" story. Or the T-shirt dress. Or repeat your Lucy joke. When all else fails, bring up Boy George. You're still boring. I won't even get into her undwerwear obsession. I'm not surprised Jagger has delayed speaking with Dorit- or PK for that matter. Smart guy. I'd keep it up for as long as I could, if I were him.

Also, judging by "does it make money?" metrics- her swimsuit line is probably a hobby. As is managing Boy George. Oh my.

EJ is coming for that crown. She IS big with the 20/30 set.

Edited February 12, 2017 by Granimal