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S09.E06: Sandra

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A mansion goes to foreclosure due to a severe hoard from a former interior designer, but problems arise when she refuses to leave her home even though the bank has sold it to a new couple.

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Matt Paxton posted on Facebook that this is his last episode, and possibly the last episode ever. It's two hours in one house!

 

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2 hour episode of HOARDERS this Sunday night at 9pm EST on A&E. it will be my last episode ever and possibly the series finale. it's been an amazing 7 years and i have to say we saved the best for last. The biggest hoard i have EVER been a part of.  2 hour special on this ONE home. I had to have 40 guys there to help. Please watch and i'll be available after the show for a FACEBOOK LIVE session on the episode, the series and all things hoarding.  Join me at 11pm EST after the 2 hour episode that starts at 9pm.

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It is the last one and perhaps that last one forever.  Matt says he is live facebooking afterwards for one hour starting at 11pm (it won't let me paste in a link to his FB page for some reason)

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New episode tonight, 2 hours, anyone watching? Enormous historic mansion with hoarder who is no longer the legal owner. New owners bought it for $415000, bank held $1.9 mil.

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I was flipping past and became mesmerized by this stubborn woman. Mostly I want to know what possessed these guys to buy such a hoarded up house, even if it's a mansion? 

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wow, for that price I would buy it in a heartbeat!! 7000+ square feet! I wouldn't give her back her hoard though, I would use the proceeds from sale to rehab the house.

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I missed the first 1/2 hour. I'm assuming they bought it as is, from a foreclosure? Yeah, they own the contents. If she keeps it up, she'd be finding herself bidding for her own treasures at auction. 

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This is the first episode that has just left me scratching my head. It would be kinder to just have the Sheriff trespass her off the property. They are just letting her spin, and she's not getting anything out of it except feeding her drama llama. I know the new owners want to keep their promise, even as she continues to break hers, but at some point, they have to say No More. 

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Ok, but Matt, Dr. As and new owner are getting on my nerves, too. They do keep repeating themselves and it's working her nerves. 

They need to let her load all that shit on the street, and have it swept up in the trash at 5:01. It might tear her up, but what is the alternative?

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And they are all talking to her like she's stupid:. Slowly, and repetitively. She's crazy, not stupid. She understands what they're saying, but still wants to do what she wants to do. 

Im really feeling 2nd hand frustration on her behalf. 

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She's so delusional, it so hard to fathom.

She has an answer for everything.  A wrong answer, a lie, a delusion, but still an answer.

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This house is gorgeous.  I wish we could see it once the rehab work is done. 

Sandra was quite the pill. Her "team" consisted of the lobby crew at the local senior center. An old lady w a  walker and anot overweight woman with a cane  is who she calls in for backup??

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I was almost getting just as frustrated with the dark-haired guy in the couple that bought that house.   Like, I half-expected to read in the after-show notes that he sneaked Sandra back onto the property out of misguided pity, given how he kept boo-hooing over her, and how easily she was able to keep him distracted with helping her earlier in the episode..

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1 minute ago, CouchTater said:

Yes, I wonder if allowing her to stay during the clean gave her false hope. 

Wasn't there another woman who wanted her house back, and the new owners let her participate? She had a lot of law school books, I think. How did that one end?

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there was one where a couple with kids had bought the house without ever seeing the inside, and the hoarder had to leave. It turned out to be a real money pit IIRC. And I think there were a few more eviction situations.

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So much of this needless repetitive drama could have been avoided if the off-camera sheriff took her away in his car for the duration. And those useless brothers! What a vast exersize  in frustration. I couldn't muster one atom of feeling for Sandra; the much talked-about 5:00 pm deadline couldn't come soon enough for me. 
I kept wondering how she smelled.

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I'm a pretty sensitive person but even I wouldn't get all verklemt like that guy did. She brought all that on herself. Think of the yard sales she could have had over the last 10 years to bring in some $$$.

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This was a stupid way to end the series.  I get and admire the new owners' compassion, but for crap's sake, grow a pair boys!  She has full intentions of still fighting them in court for the house, thus their compassion really has no basis.  They should have had the sheriff take her away by noon on the first day when it was apparent she wasn't going to cooperate.

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9 minutes ago, Eliza422 said:

I want to know what those two guys do that they have the money to restore such a huge place! I'm sure it will be amazing.

Supply Chain/Logistics Professional with Expertise in Cost Savings and Revenue Growth - Michael.  Software Developer and Architect - Eric.

Sounds like it pays pretty well, both of them.

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I'm not sure how to feel about this episode. That house was way too big for the Hoarders crew to handle as a typical 2 days and we are done. I'm glad they were able to clear out some actual antiques, but it makes me sad to think they may have trashed many more. I would not want to deal with Sandra, but I also felt bad that she had five people yelling at her at the same time. I actually began to feel some of her anxiety when so many people were talking at once.

She should have been escorted off the property and the antique people should have had a few days at least to look through everything. I would think it would take a fortune to restore this property (although it did look like some rooms were in decent shape). Dr. Z and her crying just drove me crazy. I don't really like Matt because I think he has too big of an ego for this job, and wished Cory would have been on this one instead. I don't think there was any right answer here. I'm guessing the new owners didn't want to pay to have all of that stuff taken out themselves. I know they want to give the Hoarders an all or nothing approach, but perhaps giving her a few days to go through things might have been a little less stressful. 

What a beautiful house-I will miss the show but at the same time I wonder how much help this is in the long run for most of the people. I guess they said Sandra is in after care, but damn she lost so much. 

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1 minute ago, Madding crowd said:

That house was way too big for the Hoarders crew to handle as a typical 2 days and we are done

They had 4 days.  And then some, I believe, based on comments.  So the 4 was for the show, but more was going on after, and of course she had like 5 years to do it on her own.  Those property owners are saints, in my opinion.

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6 minutes ago, Ms. Bubba said:

Supply Chain/Logistics Professional with Expertise in Cost Savings and Revenue Growth - Michael.   Sounds like it pays pretty well.

Funny, they didn't strike me as business professionals.  I mean COME ON- they were crying at the end when they were throwing the trash out.  

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She had months, no, she had years to go through the stuff.  

Did she ever say thank you?  I don't remember, but I do remember her insistance on taking the croquet set.  

She hadn't cared for the house in quite a while, The (Virginia Creeper) going up to the third floor (at least) are may be a year from ripping off root tiles.  The interior plaster looked good; the medallions were good, but one roof leak away from disaster. 

Heck, I felt so sorry for her two old dogs; they are old and really shouldn't be confined to one van, in the heat, in North Carolina when vehicles can get unpleasantly hot almost every month of the year. First she should have secured their dog food.  And water.  And walk the poor things.

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4 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

I know they want to give the Hoarders an all or nothing approach, but perhaps giving her a few days to go through things might have been a little less stressful. 

 

The problem with doing that is, she can't distinguish what is worth saving and what is trash. Go these people, there's no scale of importance. It ALL is 100% Keep. After a few days, all she would have gone through is maybe a few bags of trash, while time ticked away.

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I know she had five years to do it on her own and I agree the owners are saints. I do think they were in it to get the property cleaned out for free though (and why shouldn't they be). I just think if she can't do it in five years, a few days is going to be rough. I know everyone is right to be pissed at her, but I don't like the thought of people yelling at an old lady, and I felt so sad for her. 

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3 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

I know she had five years to do it on her own and I agree the owners are saints. I do think they were in it to get the property cleaned out for free though (and why shouldn't they be). I just think if she can't do it in five years, a few days is going to be rough. I know everyone is right to be pissed at her, but I don't like the thought of people yelling at an old lady, and I felt so sad for her. 

I agree. The kindest thing would have been to remove her, and have her brothers help in identifying things she'd want to keep. Once they all realized the intervention was failing, continuing to negotiate new deals with her, just added to her stress.

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I go back and forth...at least this way she feel like she got some of her stuff and had some control.  I feel like escorting her off premise for the duration would have also been extremely traumatic...perhaps more traumatic.  

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8 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

but I don't like the thought of people yelling at an old lady

There are many degrees of being classed as an "old lady".   I know, 'cause I'm one.  I've known kind ones and some that make you question the existence of evil.  For kind ones, the whole town turns out for their funerals.  For the other kind, only family turn out. 

She has obviously had problems for well over a decade.  All the swatches in the basement and even the fabric there.  Sometime in the past, the business stopped.  Any fabrics in the lowest floor were going to be moldy smelling, even it the mold wasn't apparent.  OTOH, there were some really interesting pieces from the upper floors; for them, heat and air conditioning would be necessities to maintain their value. But it's possible that her finances couldn't handle the costs with heating and airconditioning that large a house.  (A neighbor has 5,000 sq ft, and a guest house that's 1,600 sq ft.  I was told what their electric bill was for one month and I burst out laughing, it was so much more than ours.)

Sometime, a story like hers will become the next Andrew Lloyd Webber opera, if Sondheim isn't interested.

That she had no female friends of longstanding ready to help her...tells us something.  Her brothers are family and family puts up with things and behaviour that may not be tolerated by non-family. 

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I really felt for Michael and Erik. I think they wanted her stuff gone in the best possible way for her. There is something traumatic about smashing stuff as it's going.  A couple of years ago we sold the house where I grew up. My husband had lived there for "only" twenty five years. I asked him to be at the house for the final junk removal and he started to cry when they broke apart the jungle gym that was in the basement.

I am sorry this is the last episode with Matt, and possibly the last episode ever. I have a tendency to hang onto stuff and this show has definitely helped in stopping me from becoming an actual hoarder.

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I am practically speechless for the first time in 9 seasons. I'm glad Dr. Zazio kept reiterating the point that Sandra is severely mentally ill. So ill that it was perhaps the most painful to watch episode ever...worse than poop mountain Judy, Augustine, and the young-ish woman who saved her dead mom's piss whose name escapes me. The only one that is "up there" is Hanna, and in that episode, it was the animals and not the hoarder (and the gorgeous old house) who broke my heart. Having said that, Michael and Eric were way more patient than I would've been about the situation. It wasn't that I necessarily felt terribly sorry for Sandra...the whole thing just made me uneasy, she was so completely delusional.

The only good thing I have to say is least the piss pot was some sort of antique old-timey empty piss pot, and not a piss-overflowing old Cheez Puffs canister. Also, I wonder if ex-husband's threat years ago to sell the house to be torn down was perhaps ex-husband's version of How to Lose a (Hoarder) Gal in 10 Days. Surely signs were there, even then.

Still trying to process this one.

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54 minutes ago, theajw said:

$14,000 recouped at an auction?  That's all?  Jeez.  

My recorder cut off a bit of the ending.  $14K? Wow... that's peanuts.  I guess there wasn't much that the auctioneers picked up.  Maybe they were only there for the first day?

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I would not want to deal with Sandra, but I also felt bad that she had five people yelling at her at the same time. I actually began to feel some of her anxiety when so many people were talking at once.

Nope, not me. Sandra totally knows what she is doing here. Yes she is mentally ill, but as is often pointed out by people with mental illness, she is not crazy enough to be considered mentally incompetent. If she isn't mentally incompetent - and I am sure she will insist she's not - then she needs to own her problems like a mentally competent adult. She lost the house in a foreclosure - by rights, she and her shitty van could have been towed off the property and if she returned, she could be arrested and thrown in jail for trespass. If she's sane enough that we can't call her mentally incompetent... then she is sane enough to act like an adult.

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Sandra was screaming and yelling at people.  Luther said it was common for Miss Sandra to do that to him so it wasn't just a result of the cleanup. He also said it was at least the 3rd time she kicked him out when he was trying to help her.

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Any sympathy I had for her just took a serious hit:  She's gone through 1.9 million in less than ten years. 

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The bank has won several rulings against her claims of fraud in both federal and state courts, arguing successfully earlier this year to the N.C. Court of Appeals that Cowart borrowed $1.9 million on the Fisher Park property 10 years ago in a loan that is “now approximately 67 months past due with a total outstanding debt of more than $2.5 million.”

 

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