Sex And The City - General Discussion

[T Summer]

This might be an unpopular opinion; at least I haven't seen it expressed before... but here goes.

 

I like Harry and the way  Charlotte's and Harry's story played out.

That said, if I was a writer or creator of SATC I'd have given Charlotte some adversity to deal with beyond a brief battle with difficulty conceiving children and a miscarriage. Many many women have had miscarriages. Among  my close circle of family and friends(people I see everyday) are people who lost children from a few months old to 23 years of age. Even with the infertility scare, she  had unlimited funds to avail herself of everything medicine had to offer. She also had a husband (Harry) who was perfectly fine with adopting children. Then later on Charlotte's dream of having a baby came true.

What did we ever see this woman do over the years? She was supposed to have been an art dealer / director of a gallery, but she gave up her job soon after marrying Trey. We saw her go to two artist's studios  to interview them. The Orthodox Jewish artist  she had a tryst  with  quite early in the series  and the grey haired dude who painted lady parts  who's wife offered her lemonade and cookies. Then before she stopped working we saw her interviewing her successor. That's it?

Remember when Charlotte dated  the out of work actor who  was moving, but he thought of staying in NYC because he and Charlotte were seeing each other and getting along? I think he was also the dude that fixed things in her apartment, IIRC? She ended up not encouraging him to stay, there was no way Charlotte was going to be with a man who wasn't very successful.

As unrealistic as Carrie's life was with designer clothes, $400 shoes and an apartment that probably would have been half that size or  smaller... at least we saw her rushing to get copy in before the deadline more than once, not being able to work amid construction noise or sleep with noise from the vet next door, then confronting having to buy her apartment without the funds to do so. She had to appease one demanding boss:  Enid and fend off the advances of another: Julian.  She wondered at times  if her job would continue when  there were  downturns in the economy.

Miranda's dealt with not getting invited to her boss' dinner parties because she wasn't coupled up. Her law firm thought she was slacking working 40-50 hours  instead of her usual 60+ after she'd just given birth. She had trouble getting Brady to sleep and having enough time for rest and self care. The woman she hired to help with the baby and the house, Magda was all up on her business at first... there was an adjustment period for them.  When buying her apartment, the guy taking her application couldn't believe she was doing it without money from her father or from her husband. Steve dealt with  cancer and it fell to her to get him to take it seriously. Her mother died.

Samantha had her apartment troubles which lead to a move. She was shown dealing with difficult assistants and prospective new boss: Richard being judgemental about her reputation  he said: "you slept with my architect". and followed with something like:  It's too bad, otherwise you had the job. And she battled breast cancer.

How long could Charlotte's marriage to Trey have lasted, a year?  less? Yet he sent a telegram to the lawyer's office saying he wanted Charlotte to have that  Park Avenue  apartment worth what...   $10 million? $20 million? more?

Must be the most charmed existence ever.

[MBJ]

Here's a primo example of Carrie being an asshole in Season 3.  Natasha gives her a bad look at a restaurant (SOOOOO WHATTTTTTTTTT???!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?) and this sets off Carrie's psychosis mode to harass Natasha at her job and continuously call her even though Natasha ignores her.

Then she finds out where Natasha eats lunch and stalks her, and then speechifies AT HER, not even thinking about the fact that Natasha might have a response.  Oh god, she's soooooo awful.

[RealHousewife]

2 minutes ago, T Summer said:

This might be an unpopular opinion; at least I haven't seen it expressed before... but here goes.

 

I like Harry and the way  Charlotte's and Harry's story played out.

That said, if I was a writer or creator of SATC I'd have given Charlotte some adversity to deal with beyond a brief battle with difficulty conceiving children and a miscarriage. Many many women have had miscarriages. Among  my close circle of family and friends(people I see everyday) are people who lost children from a few months old to 23 years of age. Even with the infertility scare, she  had unlimited funds to avail herself of everything medicine had to offer. She also had a husband (Harry) who was perfectly fine with adopting children. Then later on Charlotte's dream of having a baby came true.

What did we ever see this woman do over the years? She was supposed to have been an art dealer / director of a gallery, but she gave up her job soon after marrying Trey. We saw her go to two artist's studios  to interview them. The Orthodox Jewish artist  she had a tryst  with  quite early in the series  and the grey haired dude who painted lady parts  who's wife offered her lemonade and cookies. Then before she stopped working we saw her interviewing her successor. That's it?

Remember when Charlotte dated  the out of work actor who  was moving, but he thought of staying in NYC because he and Charlotte were seeing each other and getting along? I think he was also the dude that fixed things in her apartment, IIRC? She ended up not encouraging him to stay, there was no way Charlotte was going to be with a man who wasn't very successful.

As unrealistic as Carrie's life was with designer clothes, $400 shoes and an apartment that probably would have been half that size or  smaller... at least we saw her rushing to get copy in before the deadline more than once, not being able to work amid construction noise or sleep with noise from the vet next door, then confronting having to buy her apartment without the funds to do so. She had to appease one demanding boss:  Enid and fend off the advances of another: Julian.  She wondered at times  if her job would continue when  there were  downturns in the economy.

Miranda's dealt with not getting invited to her boss' dinner parties because she wasn't coupled up. Her law firm thought she was slacking working 40-50 hours  instead of her usual 60+ after she'd just given birth. She had trouble getting Brady to sleep and having enough time for rest and self care. The woman she hired to help with the baby and the house, Magda was all up on her business at first... there was an adjustment period for them.  When buying her apartment, the guy taking her application couldn't believe she was doing it without money from her father or from her husband. Steve dealt with  cancer and it fell to her to get him to take it seriously. Her mother died.

Samantha had her apartment troubles which lead to a move. She was shown dealing with difficult assistants and prospective new boss: Richard being judgemental about her reputation  he said: "you slept with my architect". and followed with something like:  It's too bad, otherwise you had the job. And she battled breast cancer.

How long could Charlotte's marriage to Trey have lasted, a year?  less? Yet he sent a telegram to the lawyer's office saying he wanted Charlotte to have that  Park Avenue  apartment worth what...   $10 million? $20 million? more?

Must be the most charmed existence ever.

Many good points! I'm a fan of Charlotte, but I agree that she totally led a charmed existence. Maybe that's part of her appeal to me? Her life looks so damn cozy. She has everything. She even said that in one of the movies, that she had everything and didn't find it fair the others didn't. 

This is not to dismiss the pain, but fertility issues are indeed extremely common. Honestly, among my friends, most of them have dealt with it. They didn't all start trying to have kids older either. I haven't tried to have children, but if I were to, I wouldn't be surprised at all if I struggle. I've already thought about adoption. 

Agree that while Carrie displayed many flaws, she did indeed show a work ethic. Charlotte was the more responsible of the two, but we never saw her hustle work wise. She was definitely the princess of the show. 

No doubt Miranda worked her ass off, probably more than any of them. 

Samantha definitely went through more too and was written to be very strong and independent. 

I wonder if they were feeding into stereotypes more with the more traditional Charlotte who wanted to be rescued by a Prince Charming being too precious to deal juggling a stressful career and motherhood, the fear of ending up on the street, losing her life to cancer, etc. The others, especially Miranda and Samantha, were written to be stronger, tougher women. Charlotte was overwhelmed as a SAHM of two with tons of money, a sweet husband, and a nanny. I understand that parenting two very small children is work and she'd have stressed out days. But IRC, Charlotte came across like she was about to have a breakdown. I wonder how she'd handle motherhood as a poor single mom. 

Much as I love Charlotte, she reminds me of some of my more pampered friends. I've dealt with pretty serious struggles in my life. Most people have no clue, so much as I try to be nice and emphasize, if your biggest problem is the fact you're single and or haven't had a kid yet, consider yourself EXTREMELY lucky. So many people deal with abuse, poverty, being physically sick, dealing with mental issues that are taking over your life. If you're struggling with finding love or having a family but are otherwise doing great, enjoy your health. Continue the quest for love. Remember there's more than one way to have a family. 

[andromeda331]

28 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I wonder if they were feeding into stereotypes more with the more traditional Charlotte who wanted to be rescued by a Prince Charming being too precious to deal juggling a stressful career and motherhood, the fear of ending up on the street, losing her life to cancer, etc. The others, especially Miranda and Samantha, were written to be stronger, tougher women. Charlotte was overwhelmed as a SAHM of two with tons of money, a sweet husband, and a nanny. I understand that parenting two very small children is work and she'd have stressed out days. But IRC, Charlotte came across like she was about to have a breakdown. I wonder how she'd handle motherhood as a poor single mom. 

Charlotte came along way in the series from the so superficial that she broke up with a guy over his taste in dishes and from her wanting the perfect WASP image that ended up not working out (although I wish they didn't end up just blaming Trey for the marriage not working out). I hated that the second movie had her right back to wanting the perfect "image" when baking with her daughters while wearing a white Valentino skirt and being stressed out been though she's a stay at home mom with a nanny, a husband and tons of money. 

 

[T Summer]

1 hour ago, RealHousewife said:

She even said that in one of the movies, that she had everything and didn't find it fair the others didn't. 

I'm going to have to watch for that...knowing she said THAT, I take it all back! lol

Oh, was that when she was expecting and she stopped running and Carrie confronted her? I remember she was afraid something might happen and she said something like "no one gets everything they want"

They just aired the episode where Trey presented Charlotte with the prenup and she said to her friends "I can't even buy stuff on sale!" That was after she nearly broke into tears when Trey hesitated over the super expensive china.

I think it set me off.

36 minutes ago, andromeda331 said:

Charlotte came along way in the series from the so superficial that she broke up with a guy over his taste in dishes and from her wanting the perfect WASP image that ended up not working out (although I wish they didn't end up just blaming Trey for the marriage not working out). I hated that the second movie had her right back to wanting the perfect "image" when baking with her daughters while wearing a white Valentino skirt and being stressed out been though she's a stay at home mom with a nanny, a husband and tons of money. 

 

Those damn movies! Yes, that white skirt episode and Charlotte's tears over the child wanting her attention is another scene that burns me.

 

[RealHousewife]

2 minutes ago, T Summer said:

I'm going to have to watch for that...knowing she said THAT, I take it all back! lol

Oh, was that when she was expecting and she stopped running and Carrie confronted her? I remember she was afraid something might happen and she said something like "no one gets everything they want"

They just aired the episode where Trey presented Charlotte with the prenup and she said to her friends "I can't even buy stuff on sale!" That was after she nearly broke into tears when Trey hesitated over the super expensive china.

I think it set me off.

Yes! I think she said they were all such good people and looked what they've gone through. It's been awhile since I've watched, so I don't remember verbatim. 

Ha, don't blame you!

[MBJ]

I'm finished Season 3 in my rewatch.  It's definitely not as bad as I remember.  I just think that John Slattery and his storyline, no offense to him personally, turned me off at the beginning of the season, but that's only a few episodes.  The rest is fine.  I don't love the Trey storyline either, but I'm sure it's realistic so at least that makes more sense, and Kyle MacLachlan is gorgeous.  Not my type - but physically gorgeous.  

Like I said earlier, the LA trip is so much fun with lots of great cameos.  It's definitely stunt casting, but the actors are funny so I don't care.  I really don't like Carrie's style in this season, but there are some exceptions.  

The idea of Carrie dating a politician and getting to do her Jackie O thing actually makes a lot of sense.  I just wish that they picked an actor she had more chemistry with, and didn't make him a urinator.  LOL.  

The Staten Island storyline also gives Charlotte her classic line "I've been dating since I was 15, where is he?"  I remember all the women cheering when we heard that line in the theatre when the first movie was released.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[nokat]

On 7/6/2021 at 4:58 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:

"Frenemies" is a bad episode for Carrie.

Miranda's date drops dead at 35 with a heart attack, and the other women are appropriately horrified, except for Carrie , who just keeps making heartless cracks about it.  I think I'm at the age now where this is no longer amusing, especially because I know how realistic the storyline is.

I so agree with this. That was a blind date for Miranda, and she thought she got stood up.

Yeah, people dying hits close to home, especially as you get older.

[MBJ]

Holy crap, Sam just said this about her Meat Packing District loft.  $7000/month?  ?!?!?!?!?

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$7,000 a month and I have to put up with a trilogy of fucking tr*nnies down there? I don't fucking think so! I am a taxpaying citizen and member of the Young Women's Business Association. I don't have to put up with this shit!

I know, the word 'tr*nnies' is really offensive.   Using an asterisk.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[MBJ]

I understand that Miranda's frustrated, but it's so mean when she screams at Carrie to get a cellphone on her birthday after Carrie just sat there at the restaurant all alone.  It's on Miranda to be there on time, not for Carrie to get a cellphone.  Especially in 2001.

[nokat]

22 hours ago, T Summer said:

Many many women have had miscarriages. Among  my close circle of family and friends(people I see everyday) are people who lost children from a few months old to 23 years of age. E

Miscarriages are common, and can bring a lot of grief. I was shocked when my mom told me how many miscarriages she had. 

[nokat]

22 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

Much as I love Charlotte, she reminds me of some of my more pampered friends. I've dealt with pretty serious struggles in my life. Most people have no clue, so much as I try to be nice and emphasize, if your biggest problem is the fact you're single and or haven't had a kid yet, consider yourself EXTREMELY lucky.

She was so focused on getting her rich husband, and not advancing a career.  It's something I admired with both Samantha and Miranda, they had careers and had sex lives. Carrie had her too but was so obsesses with Big.

[pinkandsparkly13]

5 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I understand that Miranda's frustrated, but it's so mean when she screams at Carrie to get a cellphone on her birthday after Carrie just sat there at the restaurant all alone.  It's on Miranda to be there on time, not for Carrie to get a cellphone.  Especially in 2001.

How come absolutely no one was able to show up for her party? Wasn't it a party of 10 or so?  Was traffic that bad everywhere? I mean no one got there on time and then she waited for quite a bit. I've only seen the whole unedited episode a few times. So I was always unaware of her walking into the wet cement and dropping the cake, and getting yelled at by the construction workers. Her birthday was even worse than I thought. Ha. I don't blame her for not wanting to go out with the girls later. 

[nokat]

3 hours ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

How come absolutely no one was able to show up for her party? Wasn't it a party of 10 or so?  Was traffic that bad everywhere? I mean no one got there on time and then she waited for quite a bit. I've only seen the whole unedited episode a few times. So I was always unaware of her walking into the wet cement and dropping the cake, and getting yelled at by the construction workers. Her birthday was even worse than I thought. Ha. I don't blame her for not wanting to go out with the girls later. 

I had forgotten about the cement. She was clueless per usual there. Do people really expect a big party after a certain age?

[MBJ]

6 minutes ago, nokat said:

I had forgotten about the cement. She was clueless per usual there. Do people really expect a big party after a certain age?

I don't always take Carrie's side, but this time I do.  Samantha specifically said she's throwing a dinner party for Carrie's birthday, and then nobody showed up on time.  Carrie said after 20 minutes nobody had showed up.  Finally she had to pay for her own cake, then she left the restaurant.

Carrie graciously accepted Sam's offer for a party, which is the right thing to do.  There's no way Carrie did anything wrong here.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[T Summer]

7 hours ago, pinkandsparkly13 said:

How come absolutely no one was able to show up for her party? Wasn't it a party of 10 or so?  Was traffic that bad everywhere? I mean no one got there on time and then she waited for quite a bit. I've only seen the whole unedited episode a few times. So I was always unaware of her walking into the wet cement and dropping the cake, and getting yelled at by the construction workers. Her birthday was even worse than I thought. Ha. I don't blame her for not wanting to go out with the girls later. 

So Carrie could scream when Charlotte came in of course! (just kidding)

 

An episode is airing where Carrie is surprised by Steve being in her apartment, who's waiting for Aiden who needed to use the loo... and guess what? Oh yeah, she screamed that shrill screamagain! and she happens to have a co-executive producer credit on this episode. hmm

[MBJ]

It also happened on the LA trip when Sam took her to the Valley to buy fake Fendi purses.

It's like SJP has a fetish for herself screaming.

[Black Knight]

13 hours ago, nokat said:

Do people really expect a big party after a certain age?

Yes, if one is social and extroverted with a large circle of friends/family and loves parties in general. I know quite a few people like that (partly on account of my industry) and they have big birthday celebrations well into their golden years - pretty much until their health no longer allows it. It's entirely unremarkable that Sam the PR maven would want to throw Carrie a big dinner party or that that was an idea Carrie the columnist liked - half their jobs are attending or giving parties, they love that kind of thing. Charlotte and Miranda are more the types who would opt for something much smaller and low-key.

[Hiyo]

Was it even a party? It seemed like more of a birthday dinner. 

[MBJ]

1 hour ago, Black Knight said:

Yes, if one is social and extroverted with a large circle of friends/family and loves parties in general. I know quite a few people like that (partly on account of my industry) and they have big birthday celebrations well into their golden years - pretty much until their health no longer allows it. It's entirely unremarkable that Sam the PR maven would want to throw Carrie a big dinner party or that that was an idea Carrie the columnist liked - half their jobs are attending or giving parties, they love that kind of thing. Charlotte and Miranda are more the types who would opt for something much smaller and low-key.

She was also turning 35.  Not 32, not 37, but 35.  I think it made total sense.

28 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

Was it even a party? It seemed like more of a birthday dinner. 

Yes it was a low key dinner party at a restaurant, 10 people.  Though I don't even know who those 10 people would be.  

Char, Sam, Miranda, Stanford and Carrie invited Big but I don't think she told Sam that.  

[Spartan Girl]

On 7/6/2021 at 5:43 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Here's a primo example of Carrie being an asshole in Season 3.  Natasha gives her a bad look at a restaurant (SOOOOO WHATTTTTTTTTT???!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?) and this sets off Carrie's psychosis mode to harass Natasha at her job and continuously call her even though Natasha ignores her.

Then she finds out where Natasha eats lunch and stalks her, and then speechifies AT HER, not even thinking about the fact that Natasha might have a response.  Oh god, she's soooooo awful.

Well, at least we got Natasha’s fabulous fuck-you speech to make it worthwhile. Not that it actually taught Carrie anything even remotely resembling a lesson.

[MBJ]

1 hour ago, Spartan Girl said:

Well, at least we got Natasha’s fabulous fuck-you speech to make it worthwhile. Not that it actually taught Carrie anything even remotely resembling a lesson.

Bridget Moynahan was really beautiful in that scene and I loved her acting in that scene too.

[Hiyo]

“Now not only have you ruined my marriage, you ruined my lunch.”

I mean honestly, Carrie may have wanted people to think Natasha was some vapid idiot, but she read Carrie's ass to dust in the classiest way possible. And I loved every second of it.

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Not that it actually taught Carrie anything even remotely resembling a lesson.

Well, one lesson she learned was Natasha was back on the singles market, and how that was yet another issue Carrie had to now deal with...<sarcastic eyeroll emoji>

Edited July 8, 2021 by Hiyo

[MBJ]

I can already see why I love Season 4 so much more than Season 3.

Carrie:  Dolce & Gabbana chose ME?
Margaret Cho:  Yes, Fuckette.

😄

In terms of other guest stars, we have Alan Cumming playing either Gabbana or Dolce, and Tony Hale from "Arrested Development" as the dumbstruck photographer who helps take nude photos of Samantha.

All of Carrie's hemming and hawing about how she's not a model is so annoying.  Everyone knows that SJP is a size freaking zero.  I know she's short but give me a break!!!

Edited July 8, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[qtpye]

4 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

“Now not only have you ruined my marriage, you ruined my lunch.”

I mean honestly, Carrie may have wanted people to think Natasha was some vapid idiot, but she read Carrie's ass to dust in the classiest way possible. And i loved every second of it.

 

Holy shit is Carrie a vapid idiot in this scene!

Her takeaway was now that now she would have to compete with Natasha as a single woman, not how much she and Big hurt Natasha with their actions. I know the show was tongue in cheek but seriously Carrie...get some empathy.

[MBJ]

3 minutes ago, qtpye said:

Holy shit is Carrie a vapid idiot in this scene!

Her takeaway was now that now she would have to compete with Natasha as a single woman, not how much she and Big hurt Natasha with their actions. I know the show was tongue in cheek but seriously Carrie...get some empathy.

I can't take when they have Carrie read lines like that.  It's so fake.  It's like they have her say lines like that so the audience sympathizes with her.  "Awwwww, Carrie is so gracious, she sees that Natasha is so beautiful".  Everyone can see through it!  Natasha wouldn't be single if it wasn't for Big and Carrie's actions!  I mostly blame Big of course, but still!  I saw the exact moment where Carrie could have stopped the affair but didn't.  Aidan went away and she decided to "Call Big so that they could work things out".  LOL yeah right.  They went to a hotel and kept up the affair.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[MBJ]

Finally Miranda gets to look so sexy on this date!  And of course the date doesn't like her confidence and gets turned off by it.  What a prick!  Is Miranda ever allowed a win?

 

Stanford (smiling):  Marantino, is that Italian?
Anthony (stiffly):  Sicilian.
Stanford (still smiling):  Is that different?

😁

Edited July 8, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Hiyo]

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All of Carrie's hemming and hawing about how she's not a model is so annoying.  Everyone knows that SJP is a size freaking zero.  I know she's short but give me a break!!!

That came off more to me as Carrie being narcissistic by fishing for compliments. Every time she said that others would reply something along the lines of how pretty/sexy/attractive/fabulous/etc she was.

I kind of wish someone just shot back "Damn right you're not!" at her.

[MBJ]

1 minute ago, Hiyo said:

I kind of wish someone just shot back "Damn right you're not!" at her.

Miranda KIND of did it.

Miranda:  I'm not sexy.  I win guys over with my personality.
Carrie:  You win guys over with your personality?
Miranda:  They want you to model?
Carrie:  I'm hanging up now.

2 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

That came off more to me as Carrie being narcissistic by fishing for compliments.

I agree, that's why I don't like it.  It's disingenuous and insulting to the viewer.

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, qtpye said:

Holy shit is Carrie a vapid idiot in this scene!

Her takeaway was now that now she would have to compete with Natasha as a single woman, not how much she and Big hurt Natasha with their actions. I know the show was tongue in cheek but seriously Carrie...get some empathy.

This.

When we make bad choices, whether we like it or not, we choose the consequences that go with them. But we can also choose to accept those consequences with grace, dignity, and a firm resolve to do better in the future. The future. It would have gone a long way for Carrie’s character if after Natasha and her friend gave her the stink-eye, she said, “You know what? I deserve that. I slept with her husband and called her an idiot behind her back. I can’t make up for that. She can hate me all she wants.” And then let it go instead of stalking her and badgering her for forgiveness.

But Carrie’s always been too fixated on what other people think of her.

Edited July 8, 2021 by Spartan Girl

[MBJ]

There's this funny "Friends" blooper where David Schwimmer comments about his own character, "Poor Ross."

This is how I feel watching this episode of this show where every single member of the main cast is having great sex - except for Miranda who is eating a chocolate cake out of a garbage ☹️

It's realistic that single people have lonely nights, but why did they always have to make Miranda the clown?

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

There's this funny "Friends" blooper where David Schwimmer comments about his own character, "Poor Ross."

This is how I feel watching this episode of this show where every single member of the main cast is having great sex - except for Miranda who is eating a chocolate cake out of a garbage ☹️

It's realistic that single people have lonely nights, but why did they always have to make Miranda the clown?

This reminds me of the episode where Miranda develops a complex about the girls not wanting to sleep with her. lol She discusses it with her therapist. 

[Black Knight]

Heh, that was a funny one (though nothing can ever top Blanche's reaction to learning Lesbian Jean wants to sleep with Rose, not her, and trying to make Dorothy and Sophia say they'd totally choose Blanche). If I remember right, Charlotte chose Carrie because she would want to be with a really trusted friend, Carrie chose Samantha because she would want to be with someone experienced, and Sam chose Charlotte because there was something appealing about a first-timer. Which left Miranda out. Did Miranda ever say which woman she would pick?

[MBJ]

Season 4, Aidan and Steve are opening a bar.

Sam:  I'll go with you.

Miranda:  Thank you!  You see, Samantha is my friend.  I'm going out with Samantha and her Lesbian lover and I am proud!

LOL Miranda is so cute here!

1 hour ago, Black Knight said:

Heh, that was a funny one (though nothing can ever top Blanche's reaction to learning Lesbian Jean wants to sleep with Rose, not her, and trying to make Dorothy and Sophia say they'd totally choose Blanche). If I remember right, Charlotte chose Carrie because she would want to be with a really trusted friend, Carrie chose Samantha because she would want to be with someone experienced, and Sam chose Charlotte because there was something appealing about a first-timer. Which left Miranda out. Did Miranda ever say which woman she would pick?

That's funny, they also did this storyline on "Friends".

I think Monica said "Which one of us would you sleep with?" and Phoebe immediately answered "Rachel".  And then after seeing Monica's reaction changed her answer to "Nobody" or something.  Hahah!  I think the reasoning was that Rachel is laid back (or even a pushover) and Monica is obviously high strung.  

Edited July 9, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Scarlett45]

On 7/7/2021 at 8:53 PM, nokat said:

I had forgotten about the cement. She was clueless per usual there. Do people really expect a big party after a certain age?

Yes. I will have a big birthday party every year I want one (and there isnt a pandemic) until I DIE. No one is required to attend but they will be missing out on all the fun.

 

On 7/8/2021 at 10:15 AM, Black Knight said:

Yes, if one is social and extroverted with a large circle of friends/family and loves parties in general. I know quite a few people like that (partly on account of my industry) and they have big birthday celebrations well into their golden years - pretty much until their health no longer allows it. It's entirely unremarkable that Sam the PR maven would want to throw Carrie a big dinner party or that that was an idea Carrie the columnist liked - half their jobs are attending or giving parties, they love that kind of thing. Charlotte and Miranda are more the types who would opt for something much smaller and low-key.

I agree with this. I wouldve LOVED for Samantha to give me a birthday party! She wouldve been the best one to host all of the events. I think Charlotte had great taste with things like that, but Samantha would brought the something special to the event. 

[Scarlett45]

On 7/7/2021 at 8:58 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I don't always take Carrie's side, but this time I do.  Samantha specifically said she's throwing a dinner party for Carrie's birthday, and then nobody showed up on time.  Carrie said after 20 minutes nobody had showed up.  Finally she had to pay for her own cake, then she left the restaurant.

Carrie graciously accepted Sam's offer for a party, which is the right thing to do.  There's no way Carrie did anything wrong here.

I agree. I did feel bad for Carrie here.

 

Regarding Charlotte leading a charmed life- she did, and some people just DO! Some people have loving families of origin, are comfortable financially, have good health, are not abused in adulthood, and just "don't get the the things they want sometimes". Also, it's human nature to compare yourself to people who are doing better than you than people are doing worse. 

Also, if your life has been pretty easy, little things DO stress you out- because you have different expectations. Had Charlotte not grown up the way she did, she wouldn't have been so stressed out about "dating since she was 15". That doesn't make Charlotte a bad human being, or unkind or something like that- but perspective is everything. 

[nokat]

3 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Yes. I will have a big birthday party every year I want one (and there isnt a pandemic) until I DIE. No one is required to attend but they will be missing out on all the fun.

I'm more meh about birthdays, but will attend the parties of others. Samantha hosting one, I'll be there.

[Scarlett45]

16 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

t would have gone a long way for Carrie’s character if after Natasha and her friend gave her the stink-eye, she said, “You know what? I deserve that. I slept with her husband and called her an idiot behind her back. I can’t make up for that. She can hate me all she wants.” And then let it go instead of stalking her and badgering her for forgiveness.

But Carrie’s always been too fixated on what other people think of her.

Exactly!

But I didnt think Natasha and her friend gave Carrie a look, I thought it was Nina Katz who dated Aidan after Carrie who gave Carrie a mean look and then Carrie hunted her down in season 5.

18 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Aidan went away and she decided to "Call Big so that they could work things out".  LOL yeah right.  They went to a hotel and kept up the affair.

Yeah. This is why I will never understand the "we didnt plan it, it just happened." ummm no. I could see that about a KISS with someone not your spouse that you are attracted to, but sex takes steps. 

You have to arrange to meet, remove your clothing, use a type of contraception- there are gazillion chances to stop yourself. And you were probably being inappropriate with the person before the sex actually occurred, which you could've stopped. Carrie and Big DID plan it, I wish they wouldve owned it. Of course I blame Big more, because he was married, and he had no business, but Carrie was a willing participant.

 

17 hours ago, Hiyo said:

That came off more to me as Carrie being narcissistic by fishing for compliments. Every time she said that others would reply something along the lines of how pretty/sexy/attractive/fabulous/etc she was.

I kind of wish someone just shot back "Damn right you're not!" at her.

This is true, but SJP is far too short to be a fashion model.

[Scarlett45]

11 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

This is how I feel watching this episode of this show where every single member of the main cast is having great sex - except for Miranda who is eating a chocolate cake out of a garbage ☹️

It's realistic that single people have lonely nights, but why did they always have to make Miranda the clown?

I have said this before, but I really think this is a comment on the "male gaze" and the desirability of women that don't fit the male gaze. Cynthia Nixon is gorgeous, but Miranda was not "soft" or "feminine". Nor was she sexually adventurous and as available as Samantha- so where does she "fit"? Hence she is home alone. She is too much "like a man" that a man doesnt want her.

The attitude that women who don't cater to men in some fashion will be lonely every night, so you better lie about your personality until you get a man to commit to you. This attitude is not as common any more, but these ladies are about 20yrs older than me, I could see them being raised with it.

[MBJ]

22 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree with this. I wouldve LOVED for Samantha to give me a birthday party! She wouldve been the best one to host all of the events. I think Charlotte had great taste with things like that, but Samantha would brought the something special to the event. 

Well you would think.  Until she set up a birthday dinner for Carrie and nobody showed up!

12 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Exactly!

But I didnt think Natasha and her friend gave Carrie a look, I thought it was Nina Katz who dated Aidan after Carrie who gave Carrie a mean look and then Carrie hunted her down in season 5.

No they definitely did.  I just saw the episode.  This storyline happened at least twice.  Carrie has hurt a lot of people in NYC.  LOL

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

No they definitely did.  I just saw the episode.  This storyline happened at least twice.  Carrie has hurt a lot of people in NYC.  LOL

Oh okay. Natasha had every right to give Carrie mean looks. It was a mean look- no body is required to be nice to you just because you were born Carrie!

[MBJ]

13 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

This is true, but SJP is far too short to be a fashion model.

Short, but she's absolutely the sample size, and like she said, she can just wear really high heels or the seamstresses could tailor something like pants.  Kate Moss is 5'6 I think.  (Google says 5'7 but I have my doubts.)  Devon Aoki is supposedly 5'4 and Karl Lagerfeld loved her.  For the right muse a designer can make it work.  

5 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

The attitude that women who don't cater to men in some fashion will be lonely every night, so you better lie about your personality until you get a man to commit to you. This attitude is not as common any more, but these ladies are about 20yrs older than me, I could see them being raised with it.

I think women still think this!!  I sadly think there's a lot of truth to it.

[MBJ]

Here's a shot of "The Look".  Not a great representation but you can get the idea.

Quote

OK, whatever you do, don't look up.
Oh, my God, did you see the way she looked at me?
Did you see the look her friend shot us?
Contempt, like I was Pol Pot something.
He's dead.
She wishes I was.
Who does she think she is?
Big's wife. God. That was awful. I can't believe that there is a person in New York who could hate me that much. Oh, God.
After lunch I was so devastated by Natasha's withering look that I decided my only recourse was to go shopping. But I took a wrong turn looking for the right shoes, and somewhere south of Houston Street I quite literally lost my direction.

 

[Scarlett45]

3 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Big's wife. God. That was awful. I can't believe that there is a person in New York who could hate me that much. Oh, God.

The fact that Carrie could have sex with this woman's husband, LAY in her BED, open her FRIDGE and eat her FOOD and be surprised that she is hated, blows my mind.

[MBJ]

I'm watching this episode "Ghost Town" that is very creepy.

Bunny keeps interfering in Charlotte and Trey redecorating their house and Trey says he'll tell Bunny to back off.

Then the next morning he's sick!  My first crazy thought was that Bunny poisoned him.  LOL.  But then I realized that there's no way Bunny could have known Trey was planning to tell her to back off.  

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No. It's like living in the museum of natural ugliness! Trey, if we're really serious about making a fresh start with our marriage and making this our home, it should reflect our taste, shouldn't it?
- I have no taste, clearly. - Then my taste for us.
Mother spent a lot of time and money on this place.
I understand, but I am your wife. Maybe I should have a chat with her?
Let me talk to her. It might go easier. Tomorrow, when she comes over for brunch, I will sit her down and say that this is simply not our/your taste. The animals have got to go.
But the next morning...
Up and at them, George McFadden. It's daylight in the swamp!
Trey was in no condition to talk to anyone.
- Hello, Mother. - Darling, what's the matter? Are you ill? Let Mother... - Sore throat.
Charlotte, telephone my house and tell Geneva to bring over some broth. And my overnight case. I know you have a busy week at the gallery. I might as well stay in the guest room until Trey's recovered. What's this mallard doing here? He lives in the study.

 

Edited July 9, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[ifionlyknew]

32 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

The attitude that women who don't cater to men in some fashion will be lonely every night, so you better lie about your personality until you get a man to commit to you. This attitude is not as common any more, but these ladies are about 20yrs older than me, I could see them being raised with it.

There are still women who think this.  I was told by a former female friend that I needed to be more demure.  She said men don't like strong women.  I needed to be more needy.  

I've always thought I was a cross between Samantha and Miranda. Neither one of them needed a man to take care of them.  Miranda had harder edges though.  She was innately suspicious of men she thought were out of the league that expressed an interest in her.  I completely understood that.  Samantha on the other hand had so much confidence she assumed most men were interested in her and she wasn't wrong.  

[andromeda331]

14 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I'm watching this episode "Ghost Town" that is very creepy.

Bunny keeps interfering in Charlotte and Trey redecorating their house and Trey says he'll tell Bunny to back off.

Then the next morning he's sick!  My first crazy thought was that Bunny poisoned him.  LOL.  But then I realized that there's no way Bunny could have known Trey was planning to tell her to back off.  

 

Also, if Bunny was going to poison anyone it would be Charlotte. 

[MBJ]

Aidan and Steve opened up a new bar and everyone goes to the opening night.

Aidan has a short haircut now and he looks all studly and different.

Sam:  Does Aidan look better or have I just been with a woman too long?

😄😄😄

[Scarlett45]

7 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Aidan and Steve opened up a new bar and everyone goes to the opening night.

Aidan has a short haircut now and he looks all studly and different.

Sam:  Does Aidan look better or have I just been with a woman too long?

😄😄😄

John Corbett wasnt a bad looking guy, and given that he was so tall, losing a tiny bit of body fat chiseled his face and body more.

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

The fact that Carrie could have sex with this woman's husband, LAY in her BED, open her FRIDGE and eat her FOOD and be surprised that she is hated, blows my mind.

Or be baffled that Nina Katz, the first woman Aidan dated after he broke his heart TWICE, didn’t like her.