S08.E19: Tomfoolery

motorcitymom65 · August 23, 2016

12 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

You make a better case for why Luann might want to go after Ramona than I did, yet you insist she couldn't possibly have played a part in setting up Ramona. Damn, she's good.  Stealthy as hell. Never turn your back on her.

Part of me is starting to think that all this Tomfoolery is just a big scam Luann is running to make herself the focus of the show so she can hang onto (reclaim?) her apple. Think about it. Luann for some reason is over the moon about this guy who just really doesn't seem like *all that* to, well, anybody. He's not gorgeous and young like Jaques, he's not that wealthy or socially connected. I was not certainly not impressed with his wit and charm at all.* Yet they are engaged almost instantly. For some strange reason Luann feels compelled to mention her castmates' relationship with Tom in the press (not very Luann-like, imo), but conveniently pricking everyone's ears in anticipation of what's coming.

She swans around all season talking about their *great love* after they've been together five whole minutes, even though it's awkward as hell given what went on "BL." But it sure got her some screen time, didn't it? People are either talking to her or about her. Then Tom (an experienced ladies man who knows his way around)  just happens to get his picture taken sucking face out in public in one of his main haunts right before the engagement party. Those pictures conveniently find their way to Bethenny, and .... Bravo is off to the races. Luann's love affair is edited into being the whole damn show this season, all so they can feature it blowing up in her face, making her the object of sympathy with Bethenny happily playing the role of Satan (typecasting, I'm sure some of you would suggest).

Now everyone is busy trying to figure out "will they stay together?" and "why would they stay together?" Her New Year's Eve wedding is going to guarantee her another season (what 50 year old couple has such a long engagement, you ask? one who needs the wedding to take place at a certain time so it can be filmed for the next season, duh). She's even going to have Jill in her wedding party. Is she angling to have Jill return so she can have her wingman back? Hmmm.

This is really starting to smell fishy to me.

*ETA - I forgot to mention their lack of chemistry, lol ... which is a biggie. They don't seem very comfortable kissing each other, really, as several here have noted. And if you think of the old footage of Luann and Alex when they first got together, or even remember her with Jacques, the difference is really striking.

Something smells very fishy to me as well. I just cannot get all involved/angered/emotional in this storyline - even though it is interesting - because it is so obviously contrived to me. There are entirely too many things we are being asked to believe in order for this to all be real, which I think is completely unrealistic:

that Sonja and Lu actually wanted to move in together. Beth laughed about this because it was so obvious that this was a plot device.
Lu just happens to find her soul mate in Sonja's fuck buddy. A guy that Lu never knew existed because Sonja kept in on the down low. A guy who she was seeing even when Lu lived with her. A guy who had also dated Ramona, and was friends with Dorinda. A guy who had a short lived scene on this very show. I love the way some try to minimize all of these coincidences and explain away each one. Whatever. Doesn't work for me. Explain away one or two, but the entire list?
You have to completely negate the several articles that came out in September about Ramona dating this dude. The stories claim she had been out with him 6 or so times. What does this mean? Did she have someone report a story that wasn't true - making more of it than it actually was? Or did Tom do that? How to explain this? If Ramona was just trying to get press for herself, why pick this guy out of all the fish in the sea? And does anyone believe Lu when she says she never saw the press? Didn't see the stories about her friend (or co-worker) dating the very same guy she had talked with on the phone a few months before because her good friend was anxious to set then up? She didn't notice? (Again, many attempts have been made to explain this, but they all involved the idea that Lu probably did know and just misspoke, but the point is, she has specifically said that she didn't know and hadn't read the press). You have to believe that Dorinda didn't see the stories. That she didn't call her good friend Lu and say "my stars Lu. Ramona is going out with the very same guy I was trying to fix you up with". Or call Lu and say, "hey Lu, can you believe Ramona is going out with Tom"? Or call Tom, and say "I cannot believe I'm trying to fix you up with on HW and you are going out wth another". We are expected to believe that none of these things happened, and of course in the real world they would have.
You have to not find it strange that according to Tom, he and Ramona only went out once, and that was the same night that Carole happened to see them out together. No one has denied that Carole did indeed run into them on their date. How convenient.
Beth (or Ramona - I forget) just happens to have a friend who sees Lu on the very same night that she meets the guy who was banging Sonja, had been dating Ramona, was good friends with Dorinda, and had been on the show once before - and would go on to be her soulmate. The story of how they met just happens to be juicy. The details might not be clear, but the overall story is agreed upon by all. The guy is on a date with another, finds Lu irresistible, she throws around some cunty behavior, and the guy dumps his date to go home with her. And someone who is known to a member of this cast just happens to witness this. Yea, whatever.
This guy, who is already under intense scrutiny, goes to a bar a few days before his engagement party and publicly makes out with a girl at a bar he is known to frequent. The same guy who seems intent on dating all the women in the RH cast. And Beth has a friend there. And she recognizes him. And she takes a picture. Yea, whatever.

We are all being duped. I'm not sure how, but I suspect it all began when Ramona, Sonja and Lu decided to hold out for more money. Ramona caved in pretty early, but I think this was all a big fat setup from the beginning. Ramona publicly being named with a guy that Sonja was dating (I think her close friends knew all about this guy, or it's just a lie that he is involved in) right before filming began, Lu getting with the same guy, etc. Dorinda was no doubt involved and OK with it all. I think Beth smelled a rat right from the beginning and while she is fine with hiding some of her shit, she hates it when people are just making stuff up. She knew that this was all made up bullshit. The thing is, I think at some point that Lu fell in love with this guy. For reals. Carole realized it. Beth came to realize it I think about the same time she saw Lu's reaction. I think that even Lu was surprised by how she feels. I think the preview scene of Lu and Beth together in Beth's room says it all. These are two women who are both completely taken aback by the way this has all turned out.

Yours Truly · August 23, 2016

12 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Well it kind of is Bethenny's fault. If she wanted to blow up or tell Tom or Luann she could have done it Thursday the day before the engagement party, or as soon as Luann arrived in Miami, but she was the one stretching it for three episodes and pretty much said the same on her radio show. Bethenny flat out said she was gloating over the fact Tom cheated. In Bethenny's defense I think she thought Luann was doing it for a storyline. One cannot have it both ways and say, they are to quick to pull the trigger on getting married, oh and the engagement is too long. I think there was a built in backstop. We didn't elope this NYE, but next NYE will have the big wedding.

The Dorinda introduction goes something like this: Dorinda saw Tom (an old friend of her late husband's) at an event and said you are just like my friend Luann. Dorinda called Luann up and from there Tom and Luann exchanged numbers and could not make their schedules work. So before there was a Ramona date there was the opportunity for these two to meet and neither took advantage of it. So five months later, while on dates with others, they crossed paths.

Bethenny brings it on herself. We are now 130 days away from the big day and there are no signs of it being called off. Bethenny knows it all, and I think this time her trusted advisors might have gotten it all wrong. It most likely wasn't for a storyline and in the scheme of things eliminating RHs this season there is a long line forming behind Luann for people without storylines, Ramona, Sonya, and Carole, to name three. The problem with relying on instinct and chasing a friend away is you really don't get to have a first hand account of what is going on with that person. Have they found Jesus, decided they like women, fallen in love, turned over a new leaf? Bethenny had no way of knowing because she calls Luann, "just a whore".

I know right? The idea that it's not Bethenny's fault....? Sure, sure editing this and editing that but we see HER stretch it out. We see HER sit on information and share it at different times to different people. We see HER wait but in the mean time discuss it with any and everyone that will listen therefore stretching this tidbit of information out and creating that much more film. I bet you if there was anything filmed regarding the others talking about that psychic or gossiping about the state of Ramona's marriage or about how the reading affected Ramona the PTB would have most likely included it because it was part of the "juicy" reveal for that mini non-arc of the season. Point being is that the cast DIDN'T continue twisting the knife on that particular issue. Sure it was good for a quick moment of pearl clutching but it wasn't a weapon that was continuously used for the rest of the season and used just to see Ramona squirm... Yuck....

They take their jabs sure but Beth likes to stand over the body and kick it when its down. Oh and that's after getting them on the ground with a below the belt shot.

Just because Lu hasn't been some saintly angel all these seasons of housewives doesn't mean she isn't a victim of Beth's cruelty now. I mean we actually see it. It has been filmed and broadcasted. This idea that it isn't what it is because Lu isn't as helpless as Bambi in the woods or as Saintly as the Virgin Mary confuses me.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Yours Truly

zoeysmom · August 23, 2016

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Something smells very fishy to me as well. I just cannot get all involved/angered/emotional in this storyline - even though it is interesting - because it is so obviously contrived to me. There are entirely too many things we are being asked to believe in order for this to all be real, which I think is completely unrealistic:

that Sonja and Lu actually wanted to move in together. Beth laughed about this because it was so obvious that this was a plot device.

Lu just happens to find her soul mate in Sonja's fuck buddy. A guy that Lu never knew existed because Sonja kept in on the down low. A guy who she was seeing even when Lu lived with her. A guy who had also dated Ramona, and was friends with Dorinda. A guy who had a short lived scene on this very show. I love the way some try to minimize all of these coincidences and explain away each one. Whatever. Doesn't work for me. Explain away one or two, but the entire list?

You have to completely negate the several articles that came out in September about Ramona dating this dude. The stories claim she had been out with him 6 or so times. What does this mean? Did she have someone report a story that wasn't true - making more of it than it actually was? Or did Tom do that? How to explain this? If Ramona was just trying to get press for herself, why pick this guy out of all the fish in the sea? And does anyone believe Lu when she says she never saw the press? Didn't see the stories about her friend (or co-worker) dating the very same guy she had talked with on the phone a few months before because her good friend was anxious to set then up? She didn't notice? (Again, many attempts have been made to explain this, but they all involved the idea that Lu probably did know and just misspoke, but the point is, she has specifically said that she didn't know and hadn't read the press). You have to believe that Dorinda didn't see the stories. That she didn't call her good friend Lu and say "my stars Lu. Ramona is going out with the very same guy I was trying to fix you up with". Or call Lu and say, "hey Lu, can you believe Ramona is going out with Tom"? Or call Tom, and say "I cannot believe I'm trying to fix you up with on HW and you are going out wth another". We are expected to believe that none of these things happened, and of course in the real world they would have.

You have to not find it strange that according to Tom, he and Ramona only went out once, and that was the same night that Carole happened to see them out together. No one has denied that Carole did indeed run into them on their date. How convenient.

Beth (or Ramona - I forget) just happens to have a friend who sees Lu on the very same night that she meets the guy who was banging Sonja, had been dating Ramona, was good friends with Dorinda, and had been on the show once before - and would go on to be her soulmate. The story of how they met just happens to be juicy. The details might not be clear, but the overall story is agreed upon by all. The guy is on a date with another, finds Lu irresistible, she throws around some cunty behavior, and the guy dumps his date to go home with her. And someone who is known to a member of this cast just happens to witness this. Yea, whatever.

This guy, who is already under intense scrutiny, goes to a bar a few days before his engagement party and publicly makes out with a girl at a bar he is known to frequent. The same guy who seems intent on dating all the women in the RH cast. And Beth has a friend there. And she recognizes him. And she takes a picture. Yea, whatever.

We are all being duped. I'm not sure how, but I suspect it all began when Ramona, Sonja and Lu decided to hold out for more money. Ramona caved in pretty early, but I think this was all a big fat setup from the beginning. Ramona publicly being named with a guy that Sonja was dating (I think her close friends knew all about this guy, or it's just a lie that he is involved in) right before filming began, Lu getting with the same guy, etc. Dorinda was no doubt involved and OK with it all. I think Beth smelled a rat right from the beginning and while she is fine with hiding some of her shit, she hates it when people are just making stuff up. She knew that this was all made up bullshit. The thing is, I think at some point that Lu fell in love with this guy. For reals. Carole realized it. Beth came to realize it I think about the same time she saw Lu's reaction. I think that even Lu was surprised by how she feels. I think the preview scene of Lu and Beth together in Beth's room says it all. These are two women who are both completely taken aback by the way this has all turned out.

I look at it this way they had nothing to kick the season off except kicking John around. While waiting for Luann and Sonja to sign contracts there was little to talk about. I guess there was Jules' weight and Bethenny let it be known that she didn't want to be around Jules because her skinny made the Skinnygirl uncomfortable.

-Sonja and Luann-it is fairly obvious they needed to fill in the first part of the season when Sonja and Luann were missing, there was also the Grey Gardens segment for WWHL. So what if it is a plot device-so is every trip these women take. Same with Luann apartment shopping-plot device.

-Tom appeared for a nanosecond eight years ago. I can't imagine Luann pursuing and becoming engaged to a man, planning a wedding for a storyline. For those who accuse her-it might have more to do with their own mindset. I can imagine Sonja making the relationship appear more relevant by claiming she was seeing Tom while she and Luann were living together. Sonja's story has been all over the place. Sonja faked a relationship with Harry Dubin and tried to drag Luann in to make her (Sonja) more relevant and Luann was having none of it. Sonja still acts as if she was the great sacrifice dropping Harry Dubin so as to maintain her relationship with Luann. Sonja sees romances where there are none.

-Luann has not said she never read the article she disputed the level of involvement of the relationship. Ramona said dating, and Luann said Tom told her they went out to dinner a couple of times. Ramona has agreed there was never a romantic relationship. Tom met Ramona in a bar, Ramona had a book that had just been released, it makes for good publicity to see her out and about and dating and putting a name to it. Ramona was also saying she had a "serious boyfriend" while dating Tom.

-Carole and Ramona were having lunch the day after Tom and Ramona went out on a date and Tom happened in the same restaurant. Carole and Ramona were on a date with each other. It would have been before filming began

-Both Tom and Luann were on dates with other people. I think the big questions is how did they recognize each other? Did Tom know her from TV, did Luann's date know Tom or the woman he was with, did Tom's date know the man Luann was with? There is no clarity as to how their paths crossed.

None of these women trust the other with their future in their hands. The wildcard is Tom, what would make him want to go along and his family and Luann's family? I don't doubt that these women have friendly eyes out in the four bars in the UES they seem to frequent, I don't doubt that Ramona might give Bethenny a head's up where she is having dinner with a guy (so Bethenny could pronounce him smitten with Ramona).

Bethenny saying it is all made up bullshit and it being all made up shit are two different things. So many of these things grew to be so big after Luann got involved with Tom. Why would Bethenny and Ramona be concerned over a guy Ramona dated a few times three months earlier? Ridiculous. So Bethenny more so than anyone else is the one that keeps going in for the kill on Tom. Bethenny has been fanning the flames with the press and then claims, Luann loves the press. Ramona is like Bethenny's walking dead parroting her.

I am sure each month that goes by and the wedding nears, Bethenny is rethinking her stance. It is not popular because she has no business butting in-she is not a professional gossip columnist, she is certainly not a friend of Luann or Tom's and her machinations of dealing with the timing of the release of the information seems to be made for the most manufactured drama and putting Bethenny center stage, in her thong bikini with carefully arranged Skinnygirl product. Most of all no one ever wants to be tagged with being an unwell wisher of someone else's happiness and marriage. No one did that to Bethenny and her marriage.

shoegal · August 23, 2016

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I know right? The idea that it's not Bethenny's fault....? Sure, sure editing this and editing that but we see HER stretch it out. We see HER sit on information and share it at different times to different people. We see HER wait but in the mean time discuss it with any and everyone that will listen therefore stretching this tidbit of information out and creating that much more film. I bet you if there was anything filmed regarding the others talking about that psychic or gossiping about the state of Ramona's marriage or about how the reading affected Ramona the PTB would have most likely included it because it was part of the "juicy" reveal for that mini non-arc of the season. Point being is that the cast DIDN'T continue twisting the knife on that particular issue. Sure it was good for a quick moment of pearl clutching but it wasn't a weapon that was continuously used for the rest of the season and used just to see Ramona squirm... Yuck....

They take their jabs sure but Beth likes to stand over the body and kick it when its down. Oh and that's after getting them on the ground with a below the belt shot.

Just because Lu hasn't been some saintly angel all these seasons of housewives doesn't mean she isn't a victim of Beth's cruelty now. I mean we actually see it. It has been filmed and broadcasted. This idea that it isn't what it is because Lu isn't as helpless as Bambi in the woods or as Saintly as the Virgin Mary confuses me.

TPTB did include it, I seem to recall LuAnn chasing Ramona around the Riad wanting to 'comfort' Ramona about Mario's (alleged at the time) cheating and that's what lead to the confrontation between LuAnn and Alex (in which LuAnn was a total fucking bitch) and then some discussion back in NY where LuAnn again wants to 'talk' to Ramona about what the fortune teller said and Ramona responding that she, Avery and Mario were a little "trifecta" and LuAnn's snotty response of 'how's that workin' for ya?'.

So no, I have little sympathy for LuAnn getting her business splashed across a couple of episodes, which I believe span the entire length of a weekend. The engagement party was Thursday or Friday? Then the ladies spent the weekend in Miami....so it was a few days that Bethenny had the info before giving it to Lu. Of course Bravo loves to spread that shit out, make it a three part series! That's how they make 'good tv'.

When did LuAnn and Tom's relationship become the sacred cow? At this point, they had known each other all of what, three months? LuAnn is telling the other women that she hopes she makes it down the aisle (or runway)! Obviously there is something fishy going on with Tom and Lu, either it's all bullshit for a storyline or Lu is so desperate to get married that she's going to strap Tom on her back and walk his ass down the aisle herself. I wouldn't put either past her, frankly.

archer1267 · August 23, 2016

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After three days of talking about Tom and Luann Bethenny said, "this will put an end to it."

Bethenny doesn't understand conventional wisdom in these situations, which Jersey Shore (yes, I'll admit it) illustrated beautifully when the girls tried to clue Sammi in to Ronnie's cheatin' ways: the wronged woman tends to turn on the messenger, rather than the cad in question. In this case, LuAnn may be more offended by the fact that Bethenny aired her dirty laundry on the show than anything Tom did. And LuAnn's been around the block and isn't some virginal young thing getting married for the first time. She's north of 50 now and it's a different ball game.

Yours Truly · August 23, 2016

2 hours ago, shoegal said:

TPTB did include it, I seem to recall LuAnn chasing Ramona around the Riad wanting to 'comfort' Ramona about Mario's (alleged at the time) cheating and that's what lead to the confrontation between LuAnn and Alex (in which LuAnn was a total fucking bitch) and then some discussion back in NY where LuAnn again wants to 'talk' to Ramona about what the fortune teller said and Ramona responding that she, Avery and Mario were a little "trifecta" and LuAnn's snotty response of 'how's that workin' for ya?'.

So no, I have little sympathy for LuAnn getting her business splashed across a couple of episodes, which I believe span the entire length of a weekend. The engagement party was Thursday or Friday? Then the ladies spent the weekend in Miami....so it was a few days that Bethenny had the info before giving it to Lu. Of course Bravo loves to spread that shit out, make it a three part series! That's how they make 'good tv'.

When did LuAnn and Tom's relationship become the sacred cow? At this point, they had known each other all of what, three months? LuAnn is telling the other women that she hopes she makes it down the aisle (or runway)! Obviously there is something fishy going on with Tom and Lu, either it's all bullshit for a storyline or Lu is so desperate to get married that she's going to strap Tom on her back and walk his ass down the aisle herself. I wouldn't put either past her, frankly.

The whole Tom situation from Sonja's FWB to Ramona yammering on about it to Carole deeming Tom's mention of Grapefruit as flirting as well as her whole Lovah conversation with Sonja, Beth's convo with her friend upon hearing the news then phone call to Carole that leads to more than one conversation about the news to telling Lu after the cat and mouse to whatever is going to happen next...

Let's not forget Ramona's Girl code mini outburst, sharing the info about the gift Tom gave his ex, the big FWB reveal at the engagement party, Ramona's walk with Lu were she's talking about the day Tom and Lu met as well as the conversation Ramona had describing the night Lu and Tom met to the others. The continued reminders of Sonja's friends with benefits status with Tom, Ramona's bitchiness about the Page six article which give her another reason to bring up Tom, Lu, Sonja and her....

I'm sure I'm leaving stuff out. Point being that the it hasn't just lasted a weekend. I'm not just referring to this latest bomb in the NY Housewife arsenal of Let's get Lu. This has been an elongated attack on Lu using something THEY ALL know will shake her hard enough to make her teeth rattle. Her romantic relationship AND her discomfort with intimate details being used as a weapon on the show. It isn't just coming from one direction and it hasn't just been a couple well aimed barbs like what Lu supposedly did in the whole <gasp> Ramona/psychic catastrophe that was pretty much not all that memorable as some huge upset in Ramona's overall being. Yeah, it was a pretty intense attempt at taking some jabs at Ramona but it was also a rather typical course of action regarding their need to add dramatics/conflicts for ratings/apples and it wasn't such a group effort that continued to break up into many continuous side conversations involving half the cast and on multiple occasions.

Also, I could definitely be mistaken about Lu's little "how's that workin' for ya moment" (might have been a completely different conversation I'm remembering) but didn't she make that little comment after Ramona tried to deflect Lu's inquiries about Ramona "holding up" after the reveal by taking some very nasty preemptive shots at how Lu and her marriage crashed and burned? And continued to do what people LOVE accusing Lu of which is basically gloat about how great things are while pointing out just how terrible Lu's situation is/was by comparison?

I get that Ramona wasn't about to allow the fortune tellers reading to be a beating stick for the others but Ramona unecessarily pulled out the big guns in response to Lu broaching the subject. It went from how are you holding up to "your marriage sucked, you cheated on the Count/you had an open relationship, and your a terrible mom" in 0.2 seconds. All the while rubbing her perfect marriage in Lu's face (all the while having a good idea about Mario's extra-cirr-dick-ulum activities).

And if that wasn't the same sit down then I stand corrected but ummm yeah I still say it's a great example of how much more horrible this cast seems to be toward Lu. Sure Lu takes some jabs of her own or is shown looking a bit amused by the tastes the others get since she's on the receiving end of some of those dosages regularly herself but not moreso than any of the others who promote some seriously questionable subjects as fodder. I've never seen Lu use sensitive information for just pure fodder. Or play with someone like a cat patting it's toy from paw to paw. She usually engages in those sort of antics within the realm of HW with their flare for the catty. She also doesn't seem to milk something for all it's worth. These women have pretty much milked this distateful cow of a storyline within an inch of it's life and I'm pretty sure they aren't done yets. Hell Sonja is still commenting on her disappointment in Tom and keeping her connection to him in the spotlight. It's really disgraceful how invested so much of the cast is with this particular topic. The swarming around Lu's story is no where near comparable to the blip that whole fortune teller reveal registered on the radar. The subject was pretty much dropped not too long after it happened.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Yours Truly

zoeysmom · August 23, 2016

1 hour ago, shoegal said:

TPTB did include it, I seem to recall LuAnn chasing Ramona around the Riad wanting to 'comfort' Ramona about Mario's (alleged at the time) cheating and that's what lead to the confrontation between LuAnn and Alex (in which LuAnn was a total fucking bitch) and then some discussion back in NY where LuAnn again wants to 'talk' to Ramona about what the fortune teller said and Ramona responding that she, Avery and Mario were a little "trifecta" and LuAnn's snotty response of 'how's that workin' for ya?'.

So no, I have little sympathy for LuAnn getting her business splashed across a couple of episodes, which I believe span the entire length of a weekend. The engagement party was Thursday or Friday? Then the ladies spent the weekend in Miami....so it was a few days that Bethenny had the info before giving it to Lu. Of course Bravo loves to spread that shit out, make it a three part series! That's how they make 'good tv'.

When did LuAnn and Tom's relationship become the sacred cow? At this point, they had known each other all of what, three months? LuAnn is telling the other women that she hopes she makes it down the aisle (or runway)! Obviously there is something fishy going on with Tom and Lu, either it's all bullshit for a storyline or Lu is so desperate to get married that she's going to strap Tom on her back and walk his ass down the aisle herself. I wouldn't put either past her, frankly.

Ramona went rabid on Luann to the fortune teller, after three seasons of going off on Luann, it was about time someone held to some degree of accountability. So Ramona's stance is she did not want to hear the rumors about Mario and other women. To follow the question, "Would you want to know?", Ramona for three seasons did not want to know and blew another gasket after it was public at the Season 6 Reunion. Ramona then went back with Mario while he continued to see his still girlfriend. So once they have the goods on Tom, it is a weeping Ramona saying she wish she knew and had to find out on Page Six. The information was available to Ramona, given to Ramona and she shot the messenger and then rubbed people's noses in her perfect marriage. Had she just absorbed the info and continued her relationship with Mario, I don't think she would have gotten the blowback. Alex just came off as so desperate and a lot of bad acting. She used her contempt for other RH and substituted other people's lives, under the guise of being their friend. At the end of Alex's life in the US, she ended up lunching and hanging with Luann and Jill, and angry at Bethenny. Alex ended up being so irrelevant Bravo would not pop for airfare to include her in the first 100 episode special, or even have a phone interview with her. Where was her good friend Ramona or Sonja?

I don't think Luann and Tom's relationship is a sacred cow. If it continues to survive her co-stars, except Jules are going to have a lot of explaining to do why they felt the need to make good TV over respect the relationship and the decisions Luann makes. Dorinda isn't innocent in all of this-she is the one talking about if there were showers in between Sonja and Luann and she deserves a bit of a chewing out for her Gladys Kravitz meddling. In real life if you keep trying to humiliate someone and their spouse/fiancé/boyfriend and or relationship you lose a friend and no on the outside wants to give you some sort of award. Now that these ladies have been filmed doing the same, they are back peddling. Bethenny, Ramona and Carole do not like Luann, it doesn't give them sort of free pass to try and destroy her romantic relationship. These three have no real relationship with Tom, so saying they are trying to save him form evil Luann doesn't really work either.

Celia Rubenstein · August 23, 2016

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

The whole Tom situation from Sonja's FWB to Ramona yammering on about it to Carole deeming Tom's mention of Grapefruit as flirting as well as her whole Lovah conversation with Sonja, Beth's convo with her friend upon hearing the news then phone call to Carole that leads to more than one conversation about the news to telling Lu after the cat and mouse to whatever is going to happen next...

Let's not forget Ramona's Girl code mini outburst, sharing the info about the gift Tom gave his ex, the big FWB reveal at the engagement party, Ramona's walk with Lu were she's talking about the day Tom and Lu met as well as the conversation Ramona had describing the night Lu and Tom met. The continued reminders of Sonja's friends with benefits status with Tom.....

I'm sure I'm leaving stuff out. Point being that the it hasn't just lasted a weekend. I'm not just referring to this latest bomb in the NY Housewife arsenal of Let's get Lu. This has been an elongated attack on Lu using something THEY ALL know will shake her hard enough to make her teeth rattle.

... It's really disgraceful how invested so much of the cast is with this particular topic. The swarming around Lu's story is no where near comparable to the blip that whole fortune teller reveal registered on the radar. The subject was pretty much dropped not too long after it happened.

You have actually done a great job of explaining how it is in fact Bravo that is out to make Luann's teeth rattle, not Bethenny or the other cast members. The women surely generated hours upon hours of tape of them discussing everything and everyone on earth that would have made them the center of things, but Bravo is the one who whittled it all down and made Luann's love affair the focal point of the season. Bravo has gone out of their way to create the impression the whole cast is consumed with the Luann romance drama and who did what with whom and when. And who smells like grapefruit, which has to be the dumbest thing ever yet Bravo managed to squeeze five minutes of commentary out of people about it like it actually meant something.

I really doubt that Luann's relationship with Tom is the burning issue in the forefront of everyone's minds Bravo has made it out to be.

I mean does anybody really believe that there weren't countless other (inferior) dramas and issues that just fell by the wayside in the editing room because (1) Bravo loves a good wedding almost as much as (2) Bravo loves to show people cheating or being cheated upon? This Tom thing is a two-fer and Bravo must be THRILLED with how it has all turned out. Just as thrilled as they were pissed off when Ramona flat out refused to have any part of her cheating drama with Mario play out on the show (which is why that fortune teller thing supposedly went nowhere - which isn't really true, as outlined in Shoegal's post above ... they tried like hell to have Luann fan that fire but Ramona was too smart to bite which is why it didn't explode like this Tom mess has).

I think how Luann responds to all this will show how real her feelings for Tom are because if it is real and she is so devastated, like Ramona she will want to keep it off the air as much as she can. But that's not what I am expecting.

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Tom appeared for a nanosecond eight years ago. I can't imagine Luann pursuing and becoming engaged to a man, planning a wedding for a storyline. For those who accuse her-it might have more to do with their own mindset.

If by "mindset" you mean the effects of watching the housewife shows for way too many years and sitting through way too many fake relationships and manufactured dramas to fall for another one, then you might be right. I prefer to simply think of it is knowing too much about how these shows operate to be easily fooled.

57 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny, Ramona and Carole do not like Luann, it doesn't give them sort of free pass to try and destroy her romantic relationship.

If anyone is destroying Luann's romantic relationship, it's her good for nothing fiance who got caught sucking on another woman's face in a bar, don't you think? I don't understand how it could be anyone else's fault but HIS.

This stretch to blame other people for Luann being hurt or her relationship being damaged is really confusing. Bethenny in particular is being blamed because her timing or supposedly taking too much pleasure in it somehow makes it all worse. And that makes no sense to me at all because I am pretty sure that Luann would have been just as hurt not matter who told her or when they told her or how much pleasure they took in telling her. Because it's what TOM DID that is the problem, not the timing of the messenger or the look the messenger had on her face. Isn't it? Shouldn't it be?

But I have the feeling that if Bethenny had ran to Luann with the Tom pictures the minute she got them, she would be accused of rushing to tell Luann just so she could ruin her engagement party. If she had told Luann at the start of the trip, I think she'd be catching holy hell for selfishly and intentionally spoiling everyone's good time and making the whole trip about the pictures so she could drag it out across several episodes. If she had kept it to herself, she'd be criticized for not sharing crucial information with her castmate who was about to make a big mistake and who the hell is she to decided Luann shouldn't know about what Tom did. If she'd asked someone else to tell Luann she'd be called an asshole for putting that person in the middle and manipulating them into doing her dirty work. If she'd gone directly to Tom himself about what happened, she'd be called a meddling troublemaker who was trying to destroy Luann's relationship.

And the worst sin of all, by far ... if Bethenny had made a big show of being really troubled by the idea of breaking this awful news to Luann, she would be called the phoniest piece of shit to ever draw a breath.

I think the only way Bethenny could have broke even was to delete the stupid text the minute she got it and forgotten all about it and hoped it never came out that she knew a thing. I wonder if she wishes she had done just that!

Edited August 23, 2016 by Celia Rubenstein

Yours Truly · August 23, 2016

Aside from big bad Bravo concocting the best ruse ever I do know what I have seen with my own two eyes:

Ramona's despicable and distasteful behavior.

I also spy with my little eye Beth's atrocious and nasty deliberateness.

Carole's sniveling condescension and minimally hidden delight over very mean antics

Sonja's self absorbed inappropriateness in all matters sexual. The ugliness she allows herself to engage in order to receive sexual validation of her prowess.

The difference for me is that it's constant with them.

The editing team at Bravo only provides me with the visual and even if these list of huge offenses to my moral sensibilities were stretched out and littered with more benign behaviors that apparently have fallen to the cutting room floor it still doesn't change the magnitude of disgust these women have displayed toward Lu. The intended disgrace. The deliberate humiliation. Tom may have performed the "devastating" act of betrayal however the rest were eagerly awaiting the passing of that baton by each one, relay by relay in order to achieve.. drum roll...... Disgusting Human Being Team GOLD.

In my book anyway.

(Non-ghost written)

Edited August 23, 2016 by Yours Truly

Celia Rubenstein · August 23, 2016

I take it you have never seen the OC's "Naked Wasted" episode. You want to talk disgusting human beings, lol Tamra took the gold, silver and bronze all three in that one. These NY chicks can't hold a candle to her.

I guess I just can't get my knickers in a twist about it because what you described happens every season. Wash, rinse, repeat. Next year it will be someone else's turn and Lu will be back on top. It's the same story on every franchise.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Celia Rubenstein
to point out what a scuzzball Tamra is!!!

izabella · August 23, 2016

1 hour ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I really doubt that Luann's relationship with Tom is the burning issue in the forefront of everyone's minds Bravo has made it out to be.

I mean does anybody really believe that there weren't countless other (inferior) dramas and issues that just fell by the wayside in the editing room

From what I saw, none of them had a single story line this season except for Jules marriage/ED.

Ramona? Crickets.

Carole? Dog wedding and Adam...boring and crickets otherwise.

Sonia? Crickets.

Dorinda? Defending John from Bethy's and Ramona's vitriol, but otherwise crickets.

I really DO think none of them had anything going on and they were OBSESSED with Lu and Tom. If they had other things to talk about, they wouldn't have spent so much time harassing Lu and talking about Lu and Tom the entire season, and there wouldn't have been SO MUCH footage for Bravo to show.

Edited August 23, 2016 by izabella

Yours Truly · August 23, 2016

24 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I take it you have never seen the OC's "Naked Wasted" episode. You want to talk disgusting human beings, lol Tamra took the gold, silver and bronze all three in that one. These NY chicks can't hold a candle to her.

I guess I just can't get my knickers in a twist about it because what you described happens every season. Wash, rinse, repeat. Next year it will be someone else's turn and Lu will be back on top. It's the same story on every franchise.

I know about it.

Truly disgusting no doubt.

But how long and by how many was that coordinated effort?

Either way, I think this latest HW display easily runs in the same ranks as that horrific after school special of a debacle.

Otherkate · August 23, 2016

21 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I will join you on the ain't gonna be a wedding wagon.

Me three. At least I hope not.

Celia Rubenstein · August 23, 2016

11 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

But how long and by how many was that coordinated effort?

Either way, I think this latest HW display easily runs in the same ranks as that horrific after school special of a debacle.

I don't know ... getting a castmate drunk and trying to make her to sleep over so your own son can sneak into her room in the middle of the night and have his way with her tops just about anything I've seen on RHoNYC, group effort or not. I still can't believe they aired that. It was more than just cruel or ugly ... it was disturbing.

28 minutes ago, izabella said:

I really DO think none of them had anything going on and they were OBSESSED with Lu and Tom. If they had other things to talk about, they wouldn't have spent so much time harassing Lu and talking about Lu and Tom the entire season, and there wouldn't have been SO MUCH footage for Bravo to show.

I think it just seems like there was so much footage and they spent all their time talking about Lu and Tom because that's all we got to see. Maybe during the "lost footage" episode we will get to hear more about storylines that fell by the wayside. That is usually when Bravo acknowledges that things other than what they chose to emphasize were actually going on in people's lives.

zoeysmom · August 23, 2016

1 hour ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

You have actually done a great job of explaining how it is in fact Bravo that is out to make Luann's teeth rattle, not Bethenny or the other cast members. The women surely generated hours upon hours of tape of them discussing everything and everyone on earth that would have made them the center of things, but Bravo is the one who whittled it all down and made Luann's love affair the focal point of the season. Bravo has gone out of their way to create the impression the whole cast is consumed with the Luann romance drama and who did what with whom and when. And who smells like grapefruit, which has to be the dumbest thing ever yet Bravo managed to squeeze five minutes of commentary out of people about it like it actually meant something.

I really doubt that Luann's relationship with Tom is the burning issue in the forefront of everyone's minds Bravo has made it out to be.

I mean does anybody really believe that there weren't countless other (inferior) dramas and issues that just fell by the wayside in the editing room because (1) Bravo loves a good wedding almost as much as (2) Bravo loves to show people cheating or being cheated upon? This Tom thing is a two-fer and Bravo must be THRILLED with how it has all turned out. Just as thrilled as they were pissed off when Ramona flat out refused to have any part of her cheating drama with Mario play out on the show (which is why that fortune teller thing supposedly went nowhere - which isn't really true, as outlined in Shoegal's post above ... they tried like hell to have Luann fan that fire but Ramona was too smart to bite which is why it didn't explode like this Tom mess has).

I think how Luann responds to all this will show how real her feelings for Tom are because if it is real and she is so devastated, like Ramona she will want to keep it off the air as much as she can. But that's not what I am expecting.

If by "mindset" you mean the effects of watching the housewife shows for way too many years and sitting through way too many fake relationships and manufactured dramas to fall for another one, then you might be right. I prefer to simply think of it is knowing too much about how these shows operate to be easily fooled.

If anyone is destroying Luann's romantic relationship, it's her good for nothing fiance who got caught sucking on another woman's face in a bar, don't you think? I don't understand how it could be anyone else's fault but HIS.

This stretch to blame other people for Luann being hurt or her relationship being damaged is really confusing. Bethenny in particular is being blamed because her timing or supposedly taking too much pleasure in it somehow makes it all worse. And that makes no sense to me at all because I am pretty sure that Luann would have been just as hurt not matter who told her or when they told her or how much pleasure they took in telling her. Because it's what TOM DID that is the problem, not the timing of the messenger or the look the messenger had on her face. Isn't it? Shouldn't it be?

But I have the feeling that if Bethenny had ran to Luann with the Tom pictures the minute she got them, she would be accused of rushing to tell Luann just so she could ruin her engagement party. If she had told Luann at the start of the trip, I think she'd be catching holy hell for selfishly and intentionally spoiling everyone's good time and making the whole trip about the pictures so she could drag it out across several episodes. If she had kept it to herself, she'd be criticized for not sharing crucial information with her castmate who was about to make a big mistake and who the hell is she to decided Luann shouldn't know about what Tom did. If she'd asked someone else to tell Luann she'd be called an asshole for putting that person in the middle and manipulating them into doing her dirty work. If she'd gone directly to Tom himself about what happened, she'd be called a meddling troublemaker who was trying to destroy Luann's relationship.

And the worst sin of all, by far ... if Bethenny had made a big show of being really troubled by the idea of breaking this awful news to Luann, she would be called the phoniest piece of shit to ever draw a breath.

I think the only way Bethenny could have broke even was to delete the stupid text the minute she got it and forgotten all about it and hoped it never came out that she knew a thing. I wonder if she wishes she had done just that!

I have to say you make an excellent point about the focus of the show being controlled by production. There has to be film though to back it up. The beginning of the season was boring it was about Bethenny fighting with John and knocking the new lady's life and illness. Then it was on to the birthday parties and Luann could not do anything right-from, "oh she RSVP'd before I invited her," to Luann moving in with Sonja. There was Sonja's drinking problem without an visual references, then Ramona's birthday party and the lame misuse of re-gifting and Bethenny not liking how Luann behaved over the summer and admitting to only seeing her twice. Sonja being banished from Bethenny's life. Then the Berkshires and plotting to not invite someone on the annual trip.

By happenstance Luann stumbled into a relationship. One Bethenny didn't approve of and responsible for negative press about who Tom past realationships with other RHs on the heels of the couple's engagement announcement. Let's face it they were down to cleaning out each others' closets and basements, Bethenny's fibroids and Carole the writer, not writing a book. By this time on these franchises I think every event is pretty well vetted, production weighs who will pick up a paycheck for the day and fingers crossed there will be drama. So when someone has something that it is likely to be happy and on-going they like to shit gears and each of these women know that. I truly believe that Luann being Luann ate away at everyone else's storyline. They even had a meeting, after not inviting her on the trip to Mexicometting, saying she wasn't being a good friend by not hanging out with them and spending time with Tom.

Tom hurt Luann by being stupid and acting like a frat boy on spring break. The pile on and additional humiliation is on the others. giggling, laughing gushing over the photos and not letting Luann in on them, once the mention of them was filmed, it is an indication of how the others will react. Carole clearly, uncomfortable tried to get Luann to open up and maybe admit they had a non-traditional relationship with Tom

I don't blame Carole for not telling. When this show is over for her, she still has a social circle, that may not relish in someone being the tattle tale.

It is interesting (the bolded) part because that is exactly the stance Bethenny is taking. Her error was not weighing the probative value of "ending it" (the Tom Luann relationship) and the role she plays and how she played it. Bethenny definitely did make a big show of acting upset. The tears, the pit in her stomach-just so fake-all done well wearing her skimpy bikini.

In the end it all goes back to the same thing these women are jockeying for screen time and this season it was not about product launches like last season, but getting a seat on the Tom and Luann train. As far as the audience goes-it is how far will they go to get the time and what will they do?

17 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I don't know ... getting a castmate drunk and trying to make her to sleep over so your own son can sneak into her room in the middle of the night and have his way with her tops just about anything I've seen on RHoNYC, group effort or not. I still can't believe they aired that. It was more than just cruel or ugly ... it was disturbing.

I think it just seems like there was so much footage and they spent all their time talking about Lu and Tom because that's all we got to see. Maybe during the "lost footage" episode we will get to hear more about storylines that fell by the wayside. That is usually when Bravo acknowledges that things other than what they chose to emphasize were actually going on in people's lives.

I may be a party of one but I am sure hoping we find out if Dorinda ever checked out of TJ Maxx's or was it Home Goods and what she did with her newly acquired stuff, to replace the old stuff she was getting rid of. I mean did she replace her toilet seat?

Yours Truly · August 23, 2016

36 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I think it just seems like there was so much footage and they spent all their time talking about Lu and Tom because that's all we got to see. Maybe during the "lost footage" episode we will get to hear more about storylines that fell by the wayside. That is usually when Bravo acknowledges that things other than what they chose to emphasize were actually going on in people's lives.

But the footage we did see was A LOT.

It didn't SEEM like a lot because that's what the editors presented us it's a lot because the amount of conversations that were had about Tom and Lu were A LOT. They had a lot to use.

Any other storyline that gains traction get the editors attention and that's what we are feed. That's the recipe, agreed, and the editors usually slap together as much as they can to support any particular storyline but I don't remember them having this much to use in such a small period. Sure we've had storylines rear it's ugly head throughout a season and see footage here and there littered within the episodes. They obviously aren't leaving anything on the cutting room floor that moves a particular arch forward but if I recall correctly I haven't seen this much footage from so many different parts of the cast regarding one particular wife (minus the Vicki/Brooks Cancer crap or the Yolanda mob scene) Hell even if other storylines come close to this seasons worth of footage then it's usually due to some really fucked up thing a housewife has done that the other wives are reacting negatively too. This has gained some serious and fierce momentum with the wives this season and Lu hasn't even done anything for this amount of cruelty to be thrown her way.

Vicki- Cancergate. KimR-AddictGate. Brandi- Too many gates to even summarize..... Lu? MarriageGate? CountessGate? GloaterGate? ClassGate? Really? And we get all of this nasty disgusting footage to be slathered on our TV screens week after week as a result? It just doesn't add up to anything remotely justifiable and RecycleGate just doesn't cut. It just makes it all the more disturbing.

I guess it's coming across differently to some because all this woman did coming into this season was awkwardly try to push passed a necessary apology to Carole for a previous seasons feud and the rest took off for no real or particular reason besides just wanting to treat Lu poorly cause she annoys them for one reason or another. The amount of footage available from so much of the cast about Lu's relationship in such a compact amount of time is what rivals previous storylines and presented footage across the franchise.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Yours Truly

Yours Truly · August 23, 2016

11 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

In the end it all goes back to the same thing these women are jockeying for screen time and this season it was not about product launches like last season, but getting a seat on the Tom and Luann train. As far as the audience goes-it is how far will they go to get the time and what will they do?

Exactly!

shoegal · August 23, 2016

39 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

But the footage we did see was A LOT.

It didn't SEEM like a lot because that's what the editors presented us it's a lot because the amount of conversations that were had about Tom and Lu were A LOT. They had a lot to use.

Any other storyline that gains traction get the editors attention and that's what we are feed. That's the recipe, agreed, and the editors usually slap together as much as they can to support any particular storyline but I don't remember them having this much to use in such a small period. Sure we've had storylines rear it's ugly head throughout a season and see footage here and there littered within the episodes. They obviously aren't leaving anything on the cutting room floor that moves a particular arch forward but if I recall correctly I haven't seen this much footage from so many different parts of the cast regarding one particular wife (minus the Vicki/Brooks Cancer crap or the Yolanda mob scene) Hell even if other storylines come close to this seasons worth of footage then it's usually due to some really fucked up thing a housewife has done that the other wives are reacting negatively too. This has gained some serious and fierce momentum with the wives this season and Lu hasn't even done anything for this amount of cruelty to be thrown her way.

Vicki- Cancergate. KimR-AddictGate. Brandi- Too many gates to even summarize..... Lu? MarriageGate? CountessGate? GloaterGate? ClassGate? Really? And we get all of this nasty disgusting footage to be slathered on our TV screens week after week as a result? It just doesn't add up to anything remotely justifiable and RecycleGate just doesn't cut. It just makes it all the more disturbing.

I guess it's coming across differently to some because all this woman did coming into this season was awkwardly try to push passed a necessary apology to Carole for a previous seasons feud and the rest took off for no real or particular reason besides just wanting to treat Lu poorly cause she annoys them for one reason or another. The amount of footage available from so much of the cast about Lu's relationship in such a compact amount of time is what rivals previous storylines and presented footage across the franchise.

Two words: Book. Gate.

Please, let's not act as if LuAnn is being treated any differently than any other housewife.....LuAnn got engaged to a dude that a) fucked one of her castmates, b) dated another c) appeared on the show trying to pick up housewives and friends in the first season! and d) got caught making out with a Playboy Bunny the day before his housewives filmed "engagement party". This shit was MADE for the Real Housewives. I'm sure the producers were all over this shit like white rice (TM Ramona). I wish the camera's would have caught the piece of shit leaving his date high and dry to go home and fuck Lu....that's some drama! What a prize, this guy.

ryebread · August 23, 2016

2 minutes ago, shoegal said:

What a prize, this guy.

Even if I didn't think the kiss was a deal breaker with my fiancé - him admitting he was in a bar, so totally inebriated that he couldn't remember any of it, would be just another check in the bad characteristics column to make me dump his sorry ass.

Anybody been married to a drunk with black outs? Can't imagine it would make for a very nice future.

Run, Lu....run. Then name your spin off, Luann de Dodges a Bullet. Or, Luann Starting Over Without the Drunk Bald Guy.

Celia Rubenstein · August 23, 2016

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

I may be a party of one but I am sure hoping we find out if Dorinda ever checked out of TJ Maxx's or was it Home Goods and what she did with her newly acquired stuff, to replace the old stuff she was getting rid of. I mean did she replace her toilet seat?

Make it a table for two, please! I have to admit, what you are talking about interests me. It sort of gets back to the whole lifestyles of the rich and semi-famous thing that originally sucked me into these shows. I would seriously rather watch a whole hour of Dorinda cleaning her closet or redecorating her bathroom than another split second of this lousy Tom drama, that's for sure.

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So when someone has something that it is likely to be happy and on-going they like to shit gears and each of these women know that.

I don't have anything to really say about this, I just think it's funny you said "shit gears."

Actually, now that I think about it, I do have something to say and that is you are absolutely right. The women totally had to know that the Lu-Tom thing was going to be YOOOOG on the show (Shoegal explained why up above), so it makes the fact that they all spent so much time talking about it that much more understandable. It also explains the way Ramona and Sonja both tried to raise the stakes when it came to their relationship with Tom as the season progressed. They saw the handwriting on the wall and wanted to make sure they didn't miss the boat. I personally don't think Sonja ever gave half a shit about that guy and he means even less to Ramona and the only reason they've been talking about him is to score some screen time.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Celia Rubenstein
because Sonja's name is Sonja, not Tom"

Natalie68 · August 23, 2016

2 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Aside from big bad Bravo concocting the best ruse ever I do know what I have seen with my own two eyes:

Ramona's despicable and distasteful behavior.

I also spy with my little eye Beth's atrocious and nasty deliberateness.

Carole's sniveling condescension and minimally hidden delight over very mean antics

Sonja's self absorbed inappropriateness in all matters sexual. The ugliness she allows herself to engage in order to receive sexual validation of her prowess.

The difference for me is that it's constant with them.

The editing team at Bravo only provides me with the visual and even if these list of huge offenses to my moral sensibilities were stretched out and littered with more benign behaviors that apparently have fallen to the cutting room floor it still doesn't change the magnitude of disgust these women have displayed toward Lu. The intended disgrace. The deliberate humiliation. Tom may have performed the "devastating" act of betrayal however the rest were eagerly awaiting the passing of that baton by each one, relay by relay in order to achieve.. drum roll...... Disgusting Human Being Team GOLD.

In my book anyway.

(Non-ghost written)

If it were another HW in Lu's position (fakety fake relationship for the simple goal of holding onto ones apple) she would be right there with the others looking by in equal parts schadenfreude, horror, possibly glee. It seems fairly obvious Lu's apple has been up in the air the last couple of seasons so she brought it. Similar to the stupid as hell story of wanting to have a baby with Jacques. Her own mother had been quoted in some article that Lu had had a tubal after Noel and had no interest in more children. Don't outright create a story line and expect the others to roll with it. If my coworker invented some bs story about her life and it all blew apart, especially if she were gloaty and an asshole about it, I might smirk a bit when it came out. I am not an asshole but I am also not a Pollyanna.

I don't know why Toms behavior is somehow not as bad as the ladies. They owe her nothing. They are coworkers and friendly at best. HE owes her fidelity (at least in public, I don't know what their arrangement is behind closed doors), respect, love, honesty, etc. The asshole in this situation is Tom. He should be the one to NOT humiliate his intended. Not Bethenny, not Ramona, not Sonja (well they are all their own special brand of asshole, but not because of this), not Carol. She should expect more of HIM. Just like I expect my husband to treat me better than the ladies I work with. B didn't owe her anything by telling her. A true asshole would have let the unnamed witness sell the pics to a tabloid. The ire belongs firmly on Tom's shoulders.

izabella · August 24, 2016

3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I don't know why Toms behavior is somehow not as bad as the ladies. They owe her nothing. They are coworkers and friendly at best. HE owes her fidelity (at least in public, I don't know what their arrangement is behind closed doors), respect, love, honesty, etc. The asshole in this situation is Tom. He should be the one to NOT humiliate his intended. Not Bethenny, not Ramona, not Sonja (well they are all their own special brand of asshole, but not because of this), not Carol. She should expect more of HIM. Just like I expect my husband to treat me better than the ladies I work with. B didn't owe her anything by telling her. A true asshole would have let the unnamed witness sell the pics to a tabloid. The ire belongs firmly on Tom's shoulders.

See, for me, it's like this: I don't care about Tom. He's barely been seen on the show, and I don't know him from Adam (hahaha pun intended). So I'm not invested in Tom enough to feel anything. If he was truly kissing someone else that night and it hurt Lu, then he's a turd and he owes Lu an explanation, and whatever else Lu wants to do about it.

However, I have been watching these women for a long time now, and I'm much more interested in their dynamics at this point. So I care more about what the Ho's are doing and saying and their behavior than I do about Tom. He's Lu's to deal with. Maybe if Tom is on the show and becomes a person rather than the subject of gossip, I might have more feels about his behavior. In the meantime, I'm disgusted by some of these women and the vicious tone RHNY has taken.

Yes, there has been some vicious on this show by all the women. But in the past, it's been balanced by light hearted, more fun moments (Lu on that camel will always be funny). There were people that got along and events that didn't turn into brawls. There is no balance this season, none. It's all vicious, all the time.

Edited August 24, 2016 by izabella

zoeysmom · August 24, 2016

3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

If it were another HW in Lu's position (fakety fake relationship for the simple goal of holding onto ones apple) she would be right there with the others looking by in equal parts schadenfreude, horror, possibly glee. It seems fairly obvious Lu's apple has been up in the air the last couple of seasons so she brought it. Similar to the stupid as hell story of wanting to have a baby with Jacques. Her own mother had been quoted in some article that Lu had had a tubal after Noel and had no interest in more children. Don't outright create a story line and expect the others to roll with it. If my coworker invented some bs story about her life and it all blew apart, especially if she were gloaty and an asshole about it, I might smirk a bit when it came out. I am not an asshole but I am also not a Pollyanna.

I don't know why Toms behavior is somehow not as bad as the ladies. They owe her nothing. They are coworkers and friendly at best. HE owes her fidelity (at least in public, I don't know what their arrangement is behind closed doors), respect, love, honesty, etc. The asshole in this situation is Tom. He should be the one to NOT humiliate his intended. Not Bethenny, not Ramona, not Sonja (well they are all their own special brand of asshole, but not because of this), not Carol. She should expect more of HIM. Just like I expect my husband to treat me better than the ladies I work with. B didn't owe her anything by telling her. A true asshole would have let the unnamed witness sell the pics to a tabloid. The ire belongs firmly on Tom's shoulders.

She should have let the person sell the story. Obviously the person either realizes it was a dick move, or embellished. If you are so quick to drop the dime stand up and take credit. I am sure right about now Bethenny wishes the person would step forward-or someone else in the bar that night. It seems after three weeks of this story going public someone else would be weighing in.

hoodooznoodooz · August 24, 2016

I think Lu is probably fantastic in bed. Tom most likely sighed blissfully and murmured, "We should get married."

A few more dates, more phenomenal sex.

Lu waited a few weeks then laughed, "Maybe we should get married."

breezy424 · August 24, 2016

Reading some of the comments... I don't see Tom as being some sort of RHNY famewhore. And Beth's interview on ET tonight tries to spin it this way. Yeah, Tom was in a scene eight years ago but he certainly wasn't coming on to Ro. He dates Ro once, a few time, maybe as much as twelve times this past summer. Ro keeps changing her story. He's FWB with So for 10 (that would mean So was cheating) years. But we never see him with So on the series even though So is now devastated because she has lost her lover.

Tom may be a total asshole but So and Ro are not supporting this given the amount of times they've been with him.

zulualpha · August 24, 2016

On 8/22/2016 at 9:51 AM, izabella said:

Yes, grapefruit is code for: your breath smells like pinot grigio and you've had so much of it you either spilled it on yourself or it is seeping out of your sweaty pores.

Or it could be code for : We're all waiting for you and your giant grapefruits to hit the dance floor and spin out of control.

zoeysmom · August 24, 2016

Oh for heaven's sake Bethenny is now claiming all the arguments were over people coming for her business. Bethenny is the one that brought up Luann and Skinnygirl. No one is coming after your business. How about they don't have to like your business and what you have become. http://www.eonline.com/news/789469/bethenny-frankel-reveals-her-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-season-8-regrets-or-lack-thereof

Bethenny has temperament issues if she thinks that is how business people should behave.

motorcitymom65 · August 24, 2016

6 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Reading some of the comments... I don't see Tom as being some sort of RHNY famewhore. And Beth's interview on ET tonight tries to spin it this way. Yeah, Tom was in a scene eight years ago but he certainly wasn't coming on to Ro. He dates Ro once, a few time, maybe as much as twelve times this past summer. Ro keeps changing her story. He's FWB with So for 10 (that would mean So was cheating) years. But we never see him with So on the series even though So is now devastated because she has lost her lover.

Tom may be a total asshole but So and Ro are not supporting this given the amount of times they've been with him.

We saw Tom during the first season, which if memory serves only had a dozen or so episodes. He had zero idea when he was signing his release and chatting with Ramona and her friend which one of them were on the show. He only knew that cameras were present and he had signed a waiver to appear on the show with them. I don't know about most men - he would have been over 40 at the time - but my guy would never do such a thing.

The thing is, he has known who they are during the time he has been seeing them. He knew Ramona was on the show, certainly knew when he was seeing Sonja that she was (even if she wasn't when the relationship started), and he knew Lu was on the show. Honestly, what are the chances of this? People kind of blow it off like it's no big thing, but it is beyond strange to me and in Lu's shoes, something I would question. It's not like he works for the production company where he would come into constant contact with them. Not like he works in the entertainment industry. Not like he lives in a small town where the pickings are slim. It's not like these women are that over-the-top fabulous in a town that has as many beautiful women roaming around as NY City does. Yet he has a relationship with 3 women all from the current cast of characters. The only thing in this that I truly understand is that something about this dynamic smells funny.

Edited August 24, 2016 by motorcitymom65

Yours Truly · August 24, 2016

14 hours ago, shoegal said:

Two words: Book. Gate.

Please, let's not act as if LuAnn is being treated any differently than any other housewife.....LuAnn got engaged to a dude that a) fucked one of her castmates, b) dated another c) appeared on the show trying to pick up housewives and friends in the first season! and d) got caught making out with a Playboy Bunny the day before his housewives filmed "engagement party". This shit was MADE for the Real Housewives. I'm sure the producers were all over this shit like white rice (TM Ramona). I wish the camera's would have caught the piece of shit leaving his date high and dry to go home and fuck Lu....that's some drama! What a prize, this guy.

Book Gate was not half the cast going after Carole.

Yours Truly · August 24, 2016

11 hours ago, izabella said:

See, for me, it's like this: I don't care about Tom. He's barely been seen on the show, and I don't know him from Adam (hahaha pun intended). So I'm not invested in Tom enough to feel anything. If he was truly kissing someone else that night and it hurt Lu, then he's a turd and he owes Lu an explanation, and whatever else Lu wants to do about it.

However, I have been watching these women for a long time now, and I'm much more interested in their dynamics at this point. So I care more about what the Ho's are doing and saying and their behavior than I do about Tom. He's Lu's to deal with. Maybe if Tom is on the show and becomes a person rather than the subject of gossip, I might have more feels about his behavior. In the meantime, I'm disgusted by some of these women and the vicious tone RHNY has taken.

Yes, there has been some vicious on this show by all the women. But in the past, it's been balanced by light hearted, more fun moments (Lu on that camel will always be funny). There were people that got along and events that didn't turn into brawls. There is no balance this season, none. It's all vicious, all the time.

Ding, Ding, Ding, Give the lady a prize!

My sentiments exactly.

WireWrap · August 24, 2016

8 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Oh for heaven's sake Bethenny is now claiming all the arguments were over people coming for her business. Bethenny is the one that brought up Luann and Skinnygirl. No one is coming after your business. How about they don't have to like your business and what you have become. http://www.eonline.com/news/789469/bethenny-frankel-reveals-her-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-season-8-regrets-or-lack-thereof

Bethenny has temperament issues if she thinks that is how business people should behave.

Her claim of only going after people when they "come" for her business is just another spin/excuse for her OTT nasty behavior all season. Bethenny was attacking John/Dorinda well before he brought up Skinny Cow, Sonja didn't talk to/hire GA until Bethenny shut/froze her out of filming and Luann has never claimed she "created" SKG, ever. SPIN, SPIN, SPIN!!! LOL

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

We saw Tom during the first season, which if memory serves only had a dozen or so episodes. He had zero idea when he was signing his release and chatting with Ramona and her friend which one of them were on the show. He only knew that cameras were present and he had signed a waiver to appear on the show with them. I don't know about most men - he would have been over 40 at the time - but my guy would never do such a thing.

The thing is, he has known who they are during the time he has been seeing them. He knew Ramona was on the show, certainly knew when he was seeing Sonja that she was (even if she wasn't when the relationship started), and he knew Lu was on the show. Honestly, what are the chances of this? People kind of blow it off like it's no big thing, but it is beyond strange to me and in Lu's shoes, something I would question. It's not like he works for the production company where he would come into constant contact with them. Not like he works in the entertainment industry. Not like he lives in a small town where the pickings are slim. It's not like these women are that over-the-top fabulous in a town that has as many beautiful women roaming around as NY City does. Yet he has a relationship with 3 women all from the current cast of characters. The only thing in this that I truly understand is that something about this dynamic smells funny.

I'm sure that Tom knew that Sonja, Ramona and Luann knew each other and worked together but I suspect he also knew they were not real friends outside of the show. And, Yes, according the HWs themselves, the UES is like it's own smallish town. I would bet they all tend to frequent the same bars/restaurants. We know that Ramona doesn't go to the other boros/neighborhoods in NYC. LOL

zoeysmom · August 24, 2016

2 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

We saw Tom during the first season, which if memory serves only had a dozen or so episodes. He had zero idea when he was signing his release and chatting with Ramona and her friend which one of them were on the show. He only knew that cameras were present and he had signed a waiver to appear on the show with them. I don't know about most men - he would have been over 40 at the time - but my guy would never do such a thing.

The thing is, he has known who they are during the time he has been seeing them. He knew Ramona was on the show, certainly knew when he was seeing Sonja that she was (even if she wasn't when the relationship started), and he knew Lu was on the show. Honestly, what are the chances of this? People kind of blow it off like it's no big thing, but it is beyond strange to me and in Lu's shoes, something I would question. It's not like he works for the production company where he would come into constant contact with them. Not like he works in the entertainment industry. Not like he lives in a small town where the pickings are slim. It's not like these women are that over-the-top fabulous in a town that has as many beautiful women roaming around as NY City does. Yet he has a relationship with 3 women all from the current cast of characters. The only thing in this that I truly understand is that something about this dynamic smells funny.

In all fairness, the cameo the first season, seemed like producers went downstairs and found a guy to come upstairs and approach the ladies. His opening line, "Are you the three models from downstairs?", hmmmm sounds like he was prompted.

He was acquainted, level is subject of much speculation, with Sonja before she was a RH, before she was friends with Luann and before Sonja and Ramona rekindled a very old acquaintanceship. I always get the impression there are a limited number of places these ladies frequent-how does one explain Bethenny running into Ramona and Tom? Or Ramona and Carole running into Tom? If Tom had wanted so desperately to be on TV would he not have been a better candidate than say the fake Harry Dubin set up? Bethenny has as much as said Avivia's pedigree included having one leg and an ex-husband who had slept with two RHs.

I am wondering if Tom perhaps contacted Sonja thinking she would keep their involvement on the acquaintance side, instead of raising it to the "meet the parents" level where she has taken it. I am sure we will hear all about it at the Reunion.

I think the constant contact, may be relative, Ramona just published her favorite cocktail spots in New York, (she mentions four) http://ramonasinger.com/2016/08/18/ramonas-ultimate-bar-guide-nyc/ Two of the four are known Tom haunts.

motorcitymom65 · August 24, 2016

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

Her claim of only going after people when they "come" for her business is just another spin/excuse for her OTT nasty behavior all season. Bethenny was attacking John/Dorinda well before he brought up Skinny Cow, Sonja didn't talk to/hire GA until Bethenny shut/froze her out of filming and Luann has never claimed she "created" SKG, ever. SPIN, SPIN, SPIN!!! LOL

I'm sure that Tom knew that Sonja, Ramona and Luann knew each other and worked together but I suspect he also knew they were not real friends outside of the show. And, Yes, according the HWs themselves, the UES is like it's own smallish town. I would bet they all tend to frequent the same bars/restaurants. We know that Ramona doesn't go to the other boros/neighborhoods in NYC. LOL

Most people keep their circles small. My friends and I go to the same places for the most part. Still, there has never been a case where 3 of my friends have gone out with the same guy, save for a few gals back in college who were alway interested in the football players.

zoeysmom · August 24, 2016

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Most people keep their circles small. My friends and I go to the same places for the most part. Still, there has never been a case where 3 of my friends have gone out with the same guy, save for a few gals back in college who were alway interested in the football players.

I think Sonja said it best when she described the relationship between Dorinda and Ramona-they may have known each other for years but had never been to each others' homes. Sonja on her Twitter page has wallpaper of an article about her and she is asked if she spends time with the other women outside filming and she said she doesn't.

Luann said, she knew Tom knew Sonja, (when they were dressed in furs in Sonja's kitchen) but she wanted to see if the relationship was going anywhere. This would have been between December 9th and December 12th. Apparently she was ready to talk about him on December 14th-big mistake. Then he had become Ramona's ex-boyfriend.

WireWrap · August 24, 2016

1 hour ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Most people keep their circles small. My friends and I go to the same places for the most part. Still, there has never been a case where 3 of my friends have gone out with the same guy, save for a few gals back in college who were alway interested in the football players.

Well, the pickins may be slim with single, attractive women that are willing to date middle age bald bachelors for all we know. LOL I again go back to the word "friend", these women are not friends off camera, heck, they barely tolerate each other on camera. Both Ramona and Sonja have acknowledge that they don't see each other when filming is done, so it's not like they know the men in each others lives. Sonja only likes to show off her young lovers, Ramona doesn't say who she is dating to anyone on the show and Luann liked to date a variety of different guys. Tom claims he Sonja were friends with 1 hookup over the years, she of course claims differently but well......Madonna and all, Ramona went out on a few dates with Tom, the number greatly varies according to who she is telling the story to and she says there was never any chemistry between them and then came Luann, who hit him like an "asteroid". All 3 women saw something about Tom that they liked but neither Sonja or Ramona were "dating" him when he met Luann, so there should be no problem IMO. LOL Seriously, if someone you friendly with met someone you once upon a time went out with and thought was a nice person but no longer were interested in, wouldn't you be happy for both of them? I know I would be. This attitude Ramona and Sonja have about Tom dating, then asking Luann to marry him really reflects their jealously that Luann is the first of them to remarry and nothing more IMO.

VioletMarx · August 24, 2016

22 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I think the only way Bethenny could have broke even was to delete the stupid text the minute she got it and forgotten all about it and hoped it never came out that she knew a thing. I wonder if she wishes she had done just that!

You mean not bring up a deeply personal and likely humiliating matter about her friend's fiance in front of the cameras?

Pretty confident that option never, ever occurred to Bethanny.

Edited August 24, 2016 by VioletMarx

WireWrap · August 24, 2016

I wish, just 1 time that someone interviewing her would call her out on her BS lies. She claims she is honest, is all out there in sharing her real life and that some of the others don't....BS, BS, BS! LOL She is not all out there, she doesn't share her real life, in fact, she shares the least of all the other HWs with the exception of Ramona. http://www.eonline.com/news/789615/bethenny-frankel-on-her-future-with-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-and-the-terrible-reunion

shoegal · August 24, 2016

5 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

We saw Tom during the first season, which if memory serves only had a dozen or so episodes. He had zero idea when he was signing his release and chatting with Ramona and her friend which one of them were on the show. He only knew that cameras were present and he had signed a waiver to appear on the show with them. I don't know about most men - he would have been over 40 at the time - but my guy would never do such a thing.

The thing is, he has known who they are during the time he has been seeing them. He knew Ramona was on the show, certainly knew when he was seeing Sonja that she was (even if she wasn't when the relationship started), and he knew Lu was on the show. Honestly, what are the chances of this? People kind of blow it off like it's no big thing, but it is beyond strange to me and in Lu's shoes, something I would question. It's not like he works for the production company where he would come into constant contact with them. Not like he works in the entertainment industry. Not like he lives in a small town where the pickings are slim. It's not like these women are that over-the-top fabulous in a town that has as many beautiful women roaming around as NY City does. Yet he has a relationship with 3 women all from the current cast of characters. The only thing in this that I truly understand is that something about this dynamic smells funny.

For real. There seems to be a lot of hoop jumping to explain away the fact that Tom has dated, fucked and fianced half of the RH cast. Oh, but he's not a famewhore!!! No, no. It's just that that Manhattan is a small, small town. LOL

izabella · August 24, 2016

I don't see how Tom is a famewhore. He has been seen on the show a total of 3 times, 2 this season, and all for very short amounts of time. If he were a famewhore, he had plenty of opportunity to film scenes with Lu all season, especially considering how much all the other women spent talking about him. Yet, he didn't take that opportunity to be on camera, and the times he was, he didn't have much to say. He is the STAR this season and he has barely been on the show, but that's on the other women, not Tom.

Adam and John look like much bigger famewhores than Tom.

zoeysmom · August 24, 2016

42 minutes ago, shoegal said:

For real. There seems to be a lot of hoop jumping to explain away the fact that Tom has dated, fucked and fianced half of the RH cast. Oh, but he's not a famewhore!!! No, no. It's just that that Manhattan is a small, small town. LOL

Tom's dates with Ramona and dates with Sonja, if one could call it that , were not on camera. It is Sonja and Ramona elevating his familiarity it is not him. They keep talking about him and it is fairly evident, he doesn't want to talk about them. Famewhore implies he was in it just for the notoriety and publicity and was making appearances with said ladies. It didn't happen that way. Sonja wasn't on the show when they first met. He hasn't promoted his business. Bethenny said the UES is the size of a sesame seed so it must be true.

Duke2801 · August 24, 2016

Soooo now Lu is saying that she and Tom had ended the engagement before the Playmate Kissing Incident happened?

http://www.people.com/article/luann-de-lesseps-why-she-is-marrying-tom-dagostino-after-he-kissed-another-woman

I'm seriously confused. So does this mean that the whole engagement party was a ruse, being that they had, according to Lu in this article, "parted ways"? And if they HAD broken up, how was it "cheating"? Maybe this explains (in the previews) Lu seeming more embarrassed that he kissed another woman in front of other people, as opposed to kissing somebody at all.

VioletMarx · August 24, 2016

3 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

Soooo now Lu is saying that she and Tom had ended the engagement before the Playmate Kissing Incident happened?

http://www.people.com/article/luann-de-lesseps-why-she-is-marrying-tom-dagostino-after-he-kissed-another-woman

I'm seriously confused. So does this mean that the whole engagement party was a ruse, being that they had, according to Lu in this article, "parted ways"? And if they HAD broken up, how was it "cheating"? Maybe this explains (in the previews) Lu seeming more embarrassed that he kissed another woman in front of other people, as opposed to kissing somebody at all.

THEY WERE ON A BREAK!!!

Natalie68 · August 24, 2016

Zoeysmom said this: She should have let the person sell the story. Obviously the person either realizes it was a dick move, or embellished. If you are so quick to drop the dime stand up and take credit. I am sure right about now Bethenny wishes the person would step forward-or someone else in the bar that night. It seems after three weeks of this story going public someone else would be weighing in.

I do agree she should have let them sell the story or whatever. In the end he's Lu's to contend with. I don't see it being a long relationship. I see it a relationship of convenience and $$. Gets her a story next year. Either a wedding or poor broken hearted Lu dealing with the aftermath.

zoeysmom · August 24, 2016

4 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

Soooo now Lu is saying that she and Tom had ended the engagement before the Playmate Kissing Incident happened?

http://www.people.com/article/luann-de-lesseps-why-she-is-marrying-tom-dagostino-after-he-kissed-another-woman

I'm seriously confused. So does this mean that the whole engagement party was a ruse, being that they had, according to Lu in this article, "parted ways"? And if they HAD broken up, how was it "cheating"? Maybe this explains (in the previews) Lu seeming more embarrassed that he kissed another woman in front of other people, as opposed to kissing somebody at all.

The article excerpt is poorly written, I would have liked to have seen a direct quote. Does it mean they had a fight Wednesday and Luann left and they patched things up between the parting of ways and Friday night? Kind of an okay, I am rethinking this, I was mad about X and I still love you and want to get married? There was apparently no returning of the ring. I guess if they had pulled the plug on the engagement, Luann still could have had a party-and a session of the break up blues over her lost love. Then the party could have continued to Miami (sans Luann) with Bethenny leading the celebration with it was all for the show and publicity. Now that would have been a party.

Natalie68 · August 24, 2016

9 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

Soooo now Lu is saying that she and Tom had ended the engagement before the Playmate Kissing Incident happened?

http://www.people.com/article/luann-de-lesseps-why-she-is-marrying-tom-dagostino-after-he-kissed-another-woman

I'm seriously confused. So does this mean that the whole engagement party was a ruse, being that they had, according to Lu in this article, "parted ways"? And if they HAD broken up, how was it "cheating"? Maybe this explains (in the previews) Lu seeming more embarrassed that he kissed another woman in front of other people, as opposed to kissing somebody at all.

SOOOOO the engagement party was happening whether or not there was an engagement. TOTALLY manufactured story. WHY the cackling weird shit on the boat? Why the proclamations about their mutual love and waving her ring in everyone's face's? Why keep up the ruse of he and his mother looking for venues? This story is as real as Bethenny's boobs. Those pics seeing the light of day (as well as all the witnesses) put her apple in jeopardy. It also explains why he looked like he didn't want her touching him at the party.

ryebread · August 24, 2016

52 minutes ago, izabella said:

I don't see how Tom is a famewhore. He has been seen on the show a total of 3 times, 2 this season, and all for very short amounts of time. If he were a famewhore, he had plenty of opportunity to film scenes with Lu all season, especially considering how much all the other women spent talking about him. Yet, he didn't take that opportunity to be on camera, and the times he was, he didn't have much to say.

You don't have to be filmed to be a famewhore. (Such an ugly word.) Bottom line is he chooses to hang with the Real Housewives - either for notoriety from the show, which agreed, he hasn't been on that much (but that may be much to his dismay)...

OR for the notoriety amongst the bar-hoppin', drink-swillin', partner-swappin' UES crowd. He's dated three of the seven HWs. What other balding, middle aged guy in their circle can say that? If I dated three of the seven guys in a popular band and was only occasionally seen backstage or in the wings, people might still consider me a famewhore. Or a groupie. Or a star f*cker. Ugh. Any crass way we put it, it's not a pretty thing to say. Or BE. But he is. One or all of them, imo.

straightshooter · August 24, 2016

3 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

Most people keep their circles small. My friends and I go to the same places for the most part. Still, there has never been a case where 3 of my friends have gone out with the same guy, save for a few gals back in college who were alway interested in the football players.

Those football players didn't happen to be Nigerian, did they?

shoegal · August 24, 2016

2 minutes ago, ryebread said:

You don't have to be filmed to be a famewhore. (Such an ugly word.) Bottom line is he chooses to hang with the Real Housewives - either for notoriety from the show, which agreed, he hasn't been on that much (but that may be much to his dismay)...

OR for the notoriety amongst the bar-hoppin', drink-swillin', partner-swappin' UES crowd. He's dated three of the seven HWs. What other balding, middle aged guy in their circle can say that? If I dated three of the seven guys in a popular band and was only occasionally seen backstage or in the wings, people might still consider me a famewhore. Or a groupie. Or a star f*cker. Ugh. Any crass way we put it, it's not a pretty thing to say. Or BE. But he is. One or all of them, imo.

Exactly. There is a camerawhore, which is one thing, and a famewhore. Perhaps Tom is better described as a C List celebrity-fucker. Whatever you want to call him, he's certainly getting a lot of attention, now isn't he??

WireWrap · August 24, 2016

47 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

Soooo now Lu is saying that she and Tom had ended the engagement before the Playmate Kissing Incident happened?

http://www.people.com/article/luann-de-lesseps-why-she-is-marrying-tom-dagostino-after-he-kissed-another-woman

I'm seriously confused. So does this mean that the whole engagement party was a ruse, being that they had, according to Lu in this article, "parted ways"? And if they HAD broken up, how was it "cheating"? Maybe this explains (in the previews) Lu seeming more embarrassed that he kissed another woman in front of other people, as opposed to kissing somebody at all.

Where does it say they broke up, I didn't read or hear that. Luann said they had a huge fight, she stormed off and he went to the bar and acted like an idiot (to say the least). I do think he said something along the line of, I'm not sure I want to got through with this, meaning the wedding, but didn't go as far as calling it off entirely. This does explain Luann's bizarre behavior on the yacht though. She was afraid that he wouldn't show up and that the cameras were there to see it all. I also don't think Luann could call of the engagement party, I am sure production would have said no way to that idea. Either way, production knew they were going to get something good on film and even better if Tom was a no show. Now I do think it was production that gave the photos of Tom kissing the bunny to Bethenny, I can see the producers sending someone to the bar to "talk" to/with Tom. LOL

8 minutes ago, ryebread said:

You don't have to be filmed to be a famewhore. (Such an ugly word.) Bottom line is he chooses to hang with the Real Housewives - either for notoriety from the show, which agreed, he hasn't been on that much (but that may be much to his dismay)...

OR for the notoriety amongst the bar-hoppin', drink-swillin', partner-swappin' UES crowd. He's dated three of the seven HWs. What other balding, middle aged guy in their circle can say that? If I dated three of the seven guys in a popular band and was only occasionally seen backstage or in the wings, people might still consider me a famewhore. Or a groupie. Or a star f*cker. Ugh. Any crass way we put it, it's not a pretty thing to say. Or BE. But he is. One or all of them, imo.

Something tells me there may be more guys, bald or not, that have dated 2 or more of the NY HWs, ummm Harry anyone. LOL

Celia Rubenstein · August 24, 2016

From the People story:

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On the last week's episode, Bethenny Frankel presented photographic proofthat the Countess' fiancé, Tom D'Agostino, Jr., kissed an ex-girlfriend at the Regency Hotel in New York.

So they had a fight and he immediately flew back into the arms (and lips) of his ex? Would this be the same ex that he was out with when Luann swooped down on him? The same ex that Ramona mentioned he still calls every day and tells her that he loves her and gave a gold bracelet to for Christmas?

I strongly suspect that Tom is just with Luann for the show, he never really broke up with this "ex" and he either just got caught with her or they meant for him to get caught with her in order to stir up interest/create drama. This supposed fight between Tom and Lu never happened and there was no break in their relationship. They don't HAVE a relationship, other than a business one. The fight story is nothing but a way to explain away his lip locking with his REAL girlfriend and justify Luann ~~pretending to~~ moving forward with the wedding.

Lu really is as fake as they accuse her of being. But she's gonna snatch that apple back, I'll give her that much. Well played, Countess, well played.

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