Season 7: Speculation and Spoilers Discussion

[Eyes High]

11 hours ago, CofCinci said:

Makes sense to bring the actor to the animals with the strict quarantine laws in some countries. 

D&D have said that they have a strict policy of the actors not interacting with the wolves, for obvious reasons, but maybe they wanted to film on the snowy background with Maisie Williams, and then the wolf/wolves separately against the same background, and then splice the two together to make it look more natural. Same result, no direct interaction needed.

[kcbuckeye2]

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 8:42 AM, Eyes High said:

Page Six reports that the GOT Iceland filming was a rough time:

...And the winds made it hard to record the dialogue between characters. The insider continued, “High winds caused words to be ‘whipped away’ — shouting became the norm. And despite the cold, there was an issue with a lack of snow in the lowland locations.

On ‎2‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 8:42 AM, Eyes High said:

Yikes!

For the first time in Game Of Thrones...it can accurately be said that Words are Wind...

[Eyes High]

The Gossip Life has a Game of Thrones-related blind item about an actor/actress' reduced schedule for Season 7 possibly resulting in reduced screen time:

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This important player on Game of Thrones received a shorter shooting schedule than usual due to a personal life situation, according to my source.
"[name omitted] requested it. They granted it. It was such a short time filming that it'll possibly reflect in the character's screen time. We've never had anyone ask for a shorter schedule due to a vague 'personal issue.'"

Guesses in the comments include Carice van Houten, Lena Headey, and Sophie Turner.

Edited February 24, 2017 by Eyes High

[alcasinoroyale]

18 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

The Gossip Life has a Game of Thrones-related blind item about an actor/actress' reduced schedule for Season 7 possibly resulting in reduced screen time:

Guesses in the comments include Carice van Houten, Lena Headey, and Sophie Turner.

 

I think Carice van Houten as they likely wanted to give her time to spend with the new baby. Also, we haven't really heard at all what Mel is up to besides that potential body double during Dragonstone filming. Lena and Sophie have been spotted in Belfast and on set multiple times.

[Eyes High]

12 hours ago, alcasinoroyale said:

I think Carice van Houten as they likely wanted to give her time to spend with the new baby. Also, we haven't really heard at all what Mel is up to besides that potential body double during Dragonstone filming. Lena and Sophie have been spotted in Belfast and on set multiple times.

The blind made it sound as if the "important player" who wanted time off gave no reason other than claiming a vague "personal issue," which would seem to rule out Carice since everyone knows that she just gave birth to a child; it's natural and not at all mysterious that she would want to recover from giving birth and spend more time with her new child, and not at all objectionable that she would ask for a reduced shooting schedule on that basis. Similarly, Lena's nasty and (I assume) time-consuming custody dispute with her ex is common knowledge, so if she asked for time off to deal with a personal issue, presumably the showrunners would know exactly what it was that she needed time to deal with.

The blind, however, suggests that the important player asked for a reduced shooting schedule as a result of a vague "personal issue" without going into specifics, and the showrunners agreed to this reduced shooting schedule without asking for more information (thus the source's surprise that the showrunners were letting the actor/actress get a reduced schedule without asking any questions about why he or she needed it). The only important player who had a very short shooting schedule compared to a lead of equivalent status I can think of is Sophie Turner, who finished filming in November while Maisie Williams filmed in December, January, and as recently as last week.

I guess we'll see if any of the major players have a conspicuously low-key Season 7.

[SeanC]

Sophie's spent the last few months mostly globetrotting with her new boyfriend and going to events as part of her Louis Vuitton contract.  If she had a "personal issue" keeping her from working, there's not much sign of it.

[Eyes High]

Liam Cunningham said in a recent interview that he thinks the Season 7 premiere date is in July.

[SeanC]

8 minutes ago, Eyes High said:

Liam Cunningham said in a recent interview that he thinks the Season 7 premiere date is in July.

That would be in line with what was briefly in and later deleted from an Entertainment Weekly article from a week or two ago.

[Eyes High]

1 hour ago, SeanC said:

That would be in line with what was briefly in and later deleted from an Entertainment Weekly article from a week or two ago.

My thoughts exactly.

Liam saying filming is starting again in September is also in line with what other actors have said.

[Edith]

7 hours ago, Eyes High said:

The blind made it sound as if the "important player" who wanted time off gave no reason other than claiming a vague "personal issue," which would seem to rule out Carice since everyone knows that she just gave birth to a child; it's natural and not at all mysterious that she would want to recover from giving birth and spend more time with her new child, and not at all objectionable that she would ask for a reduced shooting schedule on that basis. Similarly, Lena's nasty and (I assume) time-consuming custody dispute with her ex is common knowledge, so if she asked for time off to deal with a personal issue, presumably the showrunners would know exactly what it was that she needed time to deal with.

The blind, however, suggests that the important player asked for a reduced shooting schedule as a result of a vague "personal issue" without going into specifics, and the showrunners agreed to this reduced shooting schedule without asking for more information (thus the source's surprise that the showrunners were letting the actor/actress get a reduced schedule without asking any questions about why he or she needed it). The only important player who had a very short shooting schedule compared to a lead of equivalent status I can think of is Sophie Turner, who finished filming in November while Maisie Williams filmed in December, January, and as recently as last week.

I guess we'll see if any of the major players have a conspicuously low-key Season 7.

For me is probably Lena. Isn't Cersei the second character with most time throughout the series? So her having less time this season will be shocking, specially if she is still the Queen at the end of the season. 

Second, Lena wasn't seen that much in Belfast, while Sophie was there even before the Emmys. 

Third, and most important, if we follow the leaks we can asume that Sansa should be at least on 5 episodes. Throughout episode 1-4 and episode 7, and one would think that the Sansa-Arya issue should at least have 1 or 2 episodes for development, so maybe episode 5 or 6. That would be 6 episodes for the season.

Cersie on the other hand, episode 1 and 7 for sure.

The rest we don't know:

Iron bank/Euron episode 2?

Euron/Tyene/Ellaria episode 3 or 4?

Episode 5? 

Episode 6? 

[alcasinoroyale]

7 hours ago, Edith said:

For me is probably Lena. Isn't Cersei the second character with most time throughout the series? So her having less time this season will be shocking, specially if she is still the Queen at the end of the season. 

Second, Lena wasn't seen that much in Belfast, while Sophie was there even before the Emmys. 

Third, and most important, if we follow the leaks we can asume that Sansa should be at least on 5 episodes. Throughout episode 1-4 and episode 7, and one would think that the Sansa-Arya issue should at least have 1 or 2 episodes for development, so maybe episode 5 or 6. That would be 6 episodes for the season.

Cersie on the other hand, episode 1 and 7 for sure.

The rest we don't know:

Iron bank/Euron episode 2?

Euron/Tyene/Ellaria episode 3 or 4?

Episode 5? 

Episode 6? 

 

That's a good point. Cersei's mid-season is relatively unknown. We don't really know anything between Euron's victory parade and the Dragonpit for her, which seems odd. Maybe she appears somewhere when Tyrion comes to meet with Jaime and Bronn and then Davos seeks out Gendry. So it would definitely be shocking if she was missing for 3 consecutive episodes. My guess is those were probably indoor scenes that Lads didn't discuss much because the focus was mainly on Jon and Dany until people started asking more about other character arcs in the season.

[MarySNJ]

On 2/12/2017 at 9:45 AM, sjohnson said:

Must say I can't see Daenerys finding the rather sexually inexperienced Jon Snow anywhere as near as attractive as a Daario or a Drogo. Plus Jon Snow was deeply inhibited about possible incest because he didn't know his parentage, so much so he was a virgin when he opted for a celibate life in Night's Watch. It would be amazing in a bad way if that suddenly changed just because he finds out he was Rhaegon Targaryen's son.

What? Jon "Lord's Kiss" Snow inhibited? He may not have the breadth of experience of Dany's older sexual partners, but according to Ygritte, he had natural talent and knows how to give a woman pleasure.  That said, Jon is (arguably) a hottie and why wouldn't she find him attractive?

You do have a point about the incest, although I recall that Jon was more concerned about fathering bastards named Snow, than he was specifically about possible incest. At least in the show. He joined the NW because he respected his uncle and thought it was a honorable occupation in a place where a bastard could hope to advance... and because he couldn't go to court with his father or remain at Winterfell, leaving him few other options.

[sjohnson]

27 minutes ago, MarySNJ said:

What? Jon "Lord's Kiss" Snow inhibited? He may not have the breadth of experience of Dany's older sexual partners, but according to Ygritte, he had natural talent and knows how to give a woman pleasure.  That said, Jon is (arguably) a hottie and why wouldn't she find him attractive?

Dude could have been banging commoners since puberty. (Yes, the show has clearly established that there is an infinite supply of available women...that's why they don't wear underwear.) But he's only had one lover. So, yes, the show has told us he's inhibited. That doesn't mean he can't go wild when the inhibitions finally break down. Funny how they can spring back to life in a different situtation. (I'm not too impressed with Ygritte as an authority, given she didn't seem to know that thing with the tongue was even a possibility.)

Drogo and Daario aren't brooding. Brienne found Jon too too, and she's prone to crushes on men. Her Jaime Lannister would be more Daenerys' type.  

[MarySNJ]

3 hours ago, sjohnson said:

Dude could have been banging commoners since puberty. (Yes, the show has clearly established that there is an infinite supply of available women...that's why they don't wear underwear.) But he's only had one lover. So, yes, the show has told us he's inhibited. That doesn't mean he can't go wild when the inhibitions finally break down. Funny how they can spring back to life in a different situtation. (I'm not too impressed with Ygritte as an authority, given she didn't seem to know that thing with the tongue was even a possibility.)

Drogo and Daario aren't brooding. Brienne found Jon too too, and she's prone to crushes on men. Her Jaime Lannister would be more Daenerys' type.  

Eh, experience vs. potential. Both have their merits. 

I took Jon's reluctance to get it on with whores as a matter of principle rather than inhibition. I didn't get the impression that he was afraid of sexual intimacy but he was reluctant because he didn't want to leave more bastards who would suffer the same fate he did - only more so because they wouldn't have high Lord fathers.  

I recall that Dany's first sexual experiences with Drogo weren't exactly delightful. If she hadn't learned from Doreah and taken the initiative in love making, Drogo would have continued to use her "like a dog takes a bitch".  Daario was basically a fuck-buddy. Dany left him behind in Mereen because she knows she'll need to have a husband in Westeros. Jon's a reasonable candidate for that, even if she doesn't yet know he's kin to her. He's KITN by acclamation of the Northern houses and the Vale regardless of his alleged bastard status.  He's a man of good character who is trying to save the realm not just take power for himself. I don't think Jon's tendency to brood will be a problem for Dany, if she's looking for a political match. The fact that he's cute and knows what the ladies like in bed would be icing on the cake. That's from Dany's perspective. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by MarySNJ

[FemmyV]

15 hours ago, sjohnson said:

Drogo and Daario aren't brooding.

That's got nothing to do with sexytime. I can't imagine Drogo going downtown on Dany or any other woman, the Dothraki don't seem to place womens' pleasure very high on their priority list. Daario? Original recipe Daario, perhaps.

[SimoneS]

On 2/26/2017 at 4:17 AM, FemmyV said:

That's got nothing to do with sexytime. I can't imagine Drogo going downtown on Dany or any other woman, the Dothraki don't seem to place womens' pleasure very high on their priority list. Daario? Original recipe Daario, perhaps.

Exactly. This is what too many men don't understand. A man like Jon who is happy to go down on a woman and prioritize her pleasure is the lover that most women desire. As long as Jon keeps at that Daenerys isn't going to care that he broods. 

Edited March 2, 2017 by SimoneS

[Eyes High]

On 2/25/2017 at 0:43 PM, sjohnson said:

Dude could have been banging commoners since puberty. (Yes, the show has clearly established that there is an infinite supply of available women...that's why they don't wear underwear.) But he's only had one lover. So, yes, the show has told us he's inhibited. That doesn't mean he can't go wild when the inhibitions finally break down. Funny how they can spring back to life in a different situtation. (I'm not too impressed with Ygritte as an authority, given she didn't seem to know that thing with the tongue was even a possibility.)

Drogo and Daario aren't brooding. Brienne found Jon too too, and she's prone to crushes on men. Her Jaime Lannister would be more Daenerys' type.  

I have to agree with SimoneS on this one: Jon's willingness to go down on a woman--unprompted, no less--will make Dany forget allllll about his brooding. Maybe that's why fanfic featuring Jon as a romantic lead is so popular nowadays: a man who goes down on a woman without prompting and puts her pleasure first is the dream.

James Hibberd at EW says on Twitter that he's "itching to" break Season 7 stories (in response to a fan question). With Season 7 filming wrapped (I think, since we're into March), will the Season 7 publicity machine finally start moving?

Edited March 2, 2017 by Eyes High

[Eyes High]

New set photos of Season 7. Among the goodies: a first glimpse of the prow of the Silence.

[WearyTraveler]

The second to last pic.... is that the wight they get to KL? A crew member on the Silence?

[SeanC]

Jim Broadbent says that his archmaester character is in five episodes, and has basically one big scene per episode.

[ElizaD]

That's more than I expected. Sam is supposed to leave Oldtown in episode 5. Are he and the maester really not going to skip any of the first five episodes? The only other option I can think of is that they're in four Oldtown episodes and Broadbent returns in the episode 7 flashback as the maester who marries Rhaegar/Lyanna. If I had to guess what his scenes are - 1. Sam meets the maester, 2. they discuss what is known about the White Walkers, 3. the maester has some information about greyscale, 4. they say goodbye, and 5. the wedding flashback since even Robb's wedding had a maester.

[Eyes High]

Isaac Hempstead-Wright did an interview for EW. No new information--except he would call the theme of Season 7 "connections"--but maybe EW is gearing up for its usual publicity blitz.

[Edith]

First teaser poster for season 7 

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/08/game-of-thrones-season-7-teaser/

Ice vs Fire! 

Personal opinion, I don't like it! 

[Eyes High]

28 minutes ago, Edith said:

First teaser poster for season 7 

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/08/game-of-thrones-season-7-teaser/

Ice vs Fire! 

Personal opinion, I don't like it! 

Agreed. Seems pretty lazy.

[SeanC]

I like it.  Minimalist, but nice imagery.  I expect the main trailers for this season will be flogging the hell out of the prospective Jon/Dany meeting.

It occurred to me, in discussions about the significance of Brienne's carefully tailored non-mention of the Hound in her talk with Sansa in episode 602 (i.e., whether it was just them trying to keep the conversation on track, or if there's actually some reason they want Sansa to not know about the Hound), there should be a tell in Season 7.  If they do with the Arya/siblings reunion what they did with Jon/Sansa and have all the catching up offscreen, you'd have to assume Sansa is familiar with the Hound's role (there's no real reason Arya could be presumed to hide that); if, on the other hand, we get another obfuscating phrasing, then that would indicate there really is something weird going on there.

[FemmyV]

1 hour ago, Edith said:

First teaser poster for season 7 

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/08/game-of-thrones-season-7-teaser/

Ice vs Fire! 

Personal opinion, I don't like it! 

Eh.. kind of Rorschacky.

[OhOkayWhat]

1 hour ago, SeanC said:

there's no real reason Arya could be presumed to hide that

Maybe Arya does not want to talk about the stuff that happened after Ned death. We know very little about Arya's feelings in season 7.

[SeanC]

52 minutes ago, OhOkayWhat said:

Maybe Arya does not want to talk about the stuff that happened after Ned death. We know very little about Arya's feelings in season 7.

If they make a point of indicating that, sure; I was discussing a scenario where, as with Jon and Sansa, we're meant to understand they had a long, detailed conversation offscreen and got caught up on everything.

[OhOkayWhat]

1 hour ago, SeanC said:

If they make a point of indicating that, sure; I was discussing a scenario where, as with Jon and Sansa, we're meant to understand they had a long, detailed conversation offscreen and got caught up on everything.

I understand what you mean. In my opinion, they will make a point somehow about it. Thinking about the case of the Arya-and-Sandor story arc, I wonder what she will say this season. Season 5: she said she hated him (that was a lie she told herself). Season 6: she admitted she felt confused about him and that he was not in her list anymore even before she left him. Season 7: I suspect she will say she regrets leaving him like that and that she misses him.

Edited March 9, 2017 by OhOkayWhat

[YaddaYadda]

17 hours ago, Edith said:

First teaser poster for season 7 

http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/08/game-of-thrones-season-7-teaser/

Ice vs Fire! 

Personal opinion, I don't like it! 

I'm not a fan, and I'll go as far as to say that it's a bit disappointing, but it does get the point across.

[Edith]

Premiere date season 7: 07/16/2017

http://watchersonthewall.com/season-seven-premiere-date-revealed/

The same thing is coming for all of us. There is only one war that matters. The great war, and it is here. Jon Snow

https://twitter.com/GameOfThrones/status/839931931076628480

New line from Jon... Maybe in the DragonPit?

Edited March 9, 2017 by Edith

[WearyTraveler]

JULY?????!!!!!!!! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[whateverdgaf]

8 minutes ago, WearyTraveler said:

JULY?????!!!!!!!! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

On one hand, July is an abominably long time to wait, so GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! as well, but the finale also airs on my birthday so Yay!

[WearyTraveler]

Just now, whateverdgaf said:

On one hand, July is an abominably long time to wait, so GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! as well, but the finale also airs on my birthday so Yay!

You do know that unless you have a live-watching party NO ONE is going to your birthday, right? :-) 

[YaddaYadda]

I love how effective the promo is. Says enough and shows nothing.

[whateverdgaf]

1 minute ago, WearyTraveler said:

You do know that unless you have a live-watching party NO ONE is going to your birthday, right? :-) 

Totally fine with having Arya at my party :)!

[stagmania]

July/August is such a horrid time for this to air. Who watches serious TV in high summer?

[Eyes High]

Cool promo. Sucks that we're going to have to wait another four months, though.

[SimoneS]

 July isn't that far away, just four months. I cannot wait!

[anamika]

Ok, that was awesome!! That montage of all the house sigils!! I think both the poster and the teaser are emphasizing the shift of the show from the game to what really matters - the white walkers and what's needed to defeat them - ice and fire.

[BitterApple]

I'm glad we finally have a date, but I don't know why the Internet is having orgasms over the promo video. Nothing new was revealed except Jon saying "the war is here." It was cool, but not mind blowing.

[OhOkayWhat]

55 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I'm glad we finally have a date, but I don't know why the Internet is having orgasms over the promo video. Nothing new was revealed except Jon saying "the war is here." It was cool, but not mind blowing.

Besides Jon's new dialogue, I think there are 3 reasons:

1) Cool images.

2) Symbolical use of these images

3) Focus. Seems to me that D&D have a very clear idea of the Big Narrative of the show.

Edited March 10, 2017 by OhOkayWhat

[Advance35]

Cannot believe I have to wait until July. Ugh.  

But very good Teaser Trailer.  I think that might be my favorite one since the Season 1 Throne Teaser.  This one had a similar feel with all of the House Sigils crumbling in the end.  Hopefully not foreshadowing for ALL the Houses.

Was that the Tyrell sigil that had the Wildfire explosion while we heard Qyburn reciting Cersei's new title?

[davelannister]

In an interview with "Sophie Turner" when the reporter ask that I fan see the insect between Jon and Sansa then she replied with "This is Game of Thrones anything can happen here". Maybe it is or maybe its not. What do you guys think?

[anamika]

No.

[Lady S.]

13 hours ago, Edith said:

New line from Jon... Maybe in the DragonPit?

It could just be teaser-only, as the 3ER's and Bran's VO was in the s6 teaser. Or like Sansa's trailer-only VO about all that had been stolen from her or whatever. Or the s3 teaser which had a VO from Selyse, which I don't believe were lines she ever used onscreen. Jon will doubtless be preaching a message along these lines but it may not be exactly this wording. Either way, Kit would have had to record this specially for the teaser, as opposed to the other lines taken from the finished past seasons.

[anamika]

2 hours ago, Lady S. said:

It could just be teaser-only, as the 3ER's and Bran's VO was in the s6 teaser. Or like Sansa's trailer-only VO about all that had been stolen from her or whatever. Or the s3 teaser which had a VO from Selyse, which I don't believe were lines she ever used onscreen. Jon will doubtless be preaching a message along these lines but it may not be exactly this wording. Either way, Kit would have had to record this specially for the teaser, as opposed to the other lines taken from the finished past seasons.

Also the comic con in production video where Dinklage says 'Welcome Home, my Queen" - that's definitely recorded for the clip - I don't think they had begun filming then. So this could be a teaser only dialogue. 

[Eyes High]

10 hours ago, davelannister said:

In an interview with "Sophie Turner" when the reporter ask that I fan see the insect between Jon and Sansa then she replied with "This is Game of Thrones anything can happen here". Maybe it is or maybe its not. What do you guys think?

Sophie loves trolling the fandom. As we know, Jon and Dany spend a good chunk of Season 7 together, and if a leaker who's been proven correct about virtually everything so far is to be believed, Jon and Dany fall in love and end up banging in the finale. If she's coyly "teasing" Jon/Sansa now, after notoriously scoffing at the idea at ComiCon, it's because she's certain it will never happen. 

Going back to the teasers, the teaser hearkens back to previous seasons where the early teasers included bits of dialogue from earlier seasons. If we're four months out from the premiere, I wonder when we can expect a proper trailer. May, maybe?

I'm also looking forward to the announcement of the number of episodes for Season 8, whenever that happens.

In a recent interview, IHW said he finished filming last year. That would align with the leaks, since according to the leaks Bran spends most of the season at Winterfell. (Bran's scene with the NW was also filmed very early, I think.) Sophie also finished filming in November, and most of her scenes were Winterfell interiors from the sounds of the leaks.

Edited March 10, 2017 by Eyes High

[Eyes High]

Awayfortheladspart2--the Reddit poster who claims to be the same person as the earlier legit leaker on Reddit, Awayforthelads, who deleted his account last fall--has popped up again on Reddit and has provided a few more tidbits (grain of salt, as per usual):

1. Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Arya and Sansa will be in all seven episodes.

2. Jaime, Cersei, and Bran will miss Episode 6 but will appear in all the other episodes.

3. The Jon/Dany scene in Episode 6 where she checks up on Jon after he almost died in the wight attack happens at the end of the episode.

4. Jon's line from the teaser is from the dragonpit scene in 7x07, addressed to Cersei after Jon kills the wight.

5. We already knew that Gilly reads about an annulment of "Ragger's" marriage at the Citadel. Apparently, Gilly is reading portions of a sort of diary of a former High Septon Maynard, who makes note of having issued an annulment for a "Prince Ragger" and then remarried him to someone else in a secret ceremony in Dorne. Sam remembers this later in the season when talking to Bran. Lyanna and Rhaegar's wedding is shown, with Maynard being the only other person present; Rhaegar's only lines are reciting his wedding vows to Lyanna.

6. During the Sam/Bran scene at Winterfell where they piece together Jon's heritage (and, I assume, his status as legitimate heir), we'll get a flashback to the same Tower of Joy scene, only this time we'll hear what Lyanna said.

7. A Jaime/Cersei (oral) sex scene follows Tyene's death. 

[ElizaD]

If a High Septon married Rhaegar/Lyanna, that makes their marriage more legitimate than even those who believed in it used to argue (the most common argument was that they had a Northern marriage Bran could witness via tree vision and Rhaegar restored Targ polygamy without really telling anyone important about it). While it's possible that the show is just doing the least time-consuming thing to establish why Jon is going to be accepted as the future king or father of Dany's heir, I do think this makes it less easy to dismiss marriage theories in the books too. 

Jaime/Cersei sex scenes will keep on being creepy, huh (and he's really not going to reject her until the very end)? Well, I hope they'll at least try to make Jon/Dany epic and worth the long long wait.