Morning Joe: All Episodes Talk

[chick binewski]

On 8/3/2023 at 10:08 PM, millennium said:

I'll say this -- Scarborough is one of the only commentators who really stresses the gravity of what's happening right now.   Watch any other panel show, including Deadline Whitehouse, and what you get is a helping of very serious facts drowning in a sauce of collegial laughter from the hosts and their guests.

Picture Walter Cronkite discussing the first former President of the United States being arranged on felony charges including trying to deprive the American people of their right to vote and have those votes counted.   Do you think he'd be chuckling and snarking with Michael Steele, Tim Miller, Harry Littman and the rest?  This is dead serious stuff -- people DIED on January 6th -- with consequences that could destroy democracy, but most hosts and guests on MSNBC act like it's all a reality show.  

I have often wondered why so many people aren't as concerned about this as they should be.   Is it any wonder, given that the very people delivering the news don't seem to treat it as especially serious.

Maybe my POV is colored by Joe and Mika's pre-2017 actions, but I tend to take Wallace (and O'Donnell and Maddow) more seriously, partly because they allow their guests to clearly and concisely explain what's going on. I need some help understanding some of the legal maneuverings going on now and I feel more informed when Joe isn't chattering over everyone. Even Claire appears more focused when she's on anywhere that isn't MJ.

I do agree re your other post about the networks rooting for chaos. I feel they've all been promoting Trump's candidacy since January 7th, 2021 - MJ included.

And yes, @tres bien I think the coverage of the Monique Worrell story has been shoddy. Mika's "thanks for knowing your value!" didn't help.

Because I am weak Mika won me back during the Clarence Thomas coverage. "Hospitality is banana bread, not tuition!"

[millennium]

Wow, twelve minutes of air time and an array of charts for Rattner to inform us that ivy league schools roll out the red carpet for rich kids.

 

[plumbago blues]

1 hour ago, millennium said:

Wow, twelve minutes of air time and an array of charts for Rattner to inform us that ivy league schools roll out the red carpet for rich kids

I saw that! I don't know how any of them kept a straight face. That was right out of SNL.

[Kemper]

Rattner is one of several MJ pundits who have passed their sell-by date. Just my thought. 

[Crashcourse]

Rattner is the poor man's version of Steve Kornacki. 

And I'm sick of Kornacki.

Edited August 14, 2023 by Crashcourse

[millennium]

4 hours ago, Kemper said:

Rattner is one of several MJ pundits who have passed their sell-by date. Just my thought. 

 

11 hours ago, plumbago blues said:

I saw that! I don't know how any of them kept a straight face. That was right out of SNL.

 

Played by Tim Kazurinsky.

[millennium]

On 8/12/2023 at 10:05 PM, chick binewski said:

I feel more informed when Joe isn't chattering over everyone.

I saw a show last week, maybe Thursday, where Mika "had the day off."  Solo Joe, and he was in his glory.   Full-throttle "cat's away" mode.   It was like he'd been sprung from jail.   When Mika's there, you can almost see him sitting on his hands and biting his tongue, just waiting for her to finish whatever redundant point she's trying to make.   Seeing him cut loose on Thursday made me feel a bit bad for him that he's stuck with her. 

[Crashcourse]

I feel sadder for Mika when she's stuck with blowhard Joe.  She seems more "competent" (I know, I know, that's not saying a lot) when he's not sitting next to her.

[Kemper]

2 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I feel sadder for Mika when she's stuck with blowhard Joe.  She seems more "competent" (I know, I know, that's not saying a lot) when he's not sitting next to her.

I hear what you are saying. It is just frustrating (to me) that a woman who wants to be known for her “Know Your Value” brand is such an epic fail at holding her own when on her own show. How can she be a mentor or represent as The Voice of Women knowing their value….when she has no idea how to actually be one. 

Sorry…that was quite the word salad! 🤓

[millennium]

Oh, Scarborough, you shit stirrer.   In his best Tucker Carlson I'm-just-asking-questions voice he inquires why the charges against Trump were brought in Fulton County, the most Democratic county in Georgia.  "I agree that what Donald Trump did was abhorrent and appears illegal.  But could they have brought the charges in another county but the DA's of those counties didn't want it?

The guest he asked replies, "Well, Joe, most of the alleged crimes happened in Atlanta, which is part of Fulton County."

The guest was too polite.  He should have said, "Well DUH Joe, most of the alleged crimes happened in Atlanta," etc.

This after Scarborough says "appears illegal" and not once but twice plugs NYT guest columnist Jack Goldsmith whose recent column was a long-winded proposition that it may be a mistake to prosecute Trump because of what it could trigger in the long run.

Is Scarborough bipolar on this subject?   One day he's boiling tar and gathering feathers, the next he's stroking his chin and furrowing his brow as he tries to maintain his balance on the fence.

[Lowcountry snark]

2 hours ago, millennium said:

Oh, Scarborough, you shit stirrer.   In his best Tucker Carlson I'm-just-asking-questions voice he inquires why the charges against Trump were brought in Fulton County

Blatantly cynical effort to create friction to keep the show entertaining.  
Last week Joe was standing on the desk wrapped in the flag, waiving the Constitution screeching at his guests about our democracy in peril.  
Tired of that, he takes the opposite view this week.  But shouldn't we placate the mouth breathers and their AR15s because uh oh if they mad?  Overreach! Overreach!  Too much!  This isn't good teevee!

[SeanBug]

I was watching a few minutes ago (9:15 ish ) and he's back tracking on the "why is it in Fulton County" stuff, saying the assault of E.Jean Carroll took place in Manhattan, so you don't try it in W Va. 

His voice is like nails on a chalk board, I can't listen to him for more than a couple minutes. 

And since they aren't doing a breaking news thing and listing the charges and explaining them, like an actual news person would do on a NEWS SHOW THEY HOST, I guess I'll wait til Nicole or someone with a sense of what their job actually is comes on and talks to legal experts, not their imaginary law professor who told Joe 35 years ago that Trump would try to run out the clock by running for POTUS and escape conviction. Or whatever the f*** he said. 

[plumbago blues]

1 hour ago, SeanBug said:

And since they aren't doing a breaking news thing and listing the charges and explaining them, like an actual news person would do on a NEWS SHOW THEY HOST, I guess I'll wait til Nicole or someone with a sense of what their job actually is comes on and talks to legal experts,

I happened to catch Mika clutching a sheaf of papers, waving it around, imploring the right-wing media to read every word of it (the indictment, I guess), spewing disdain but with little actual detail...so typical. She tries to show her value in her soliloquies but never delves deep enough to show she really understands the matter at hand. ( guess her real value is presented in her Instagram pics: the cake baking, jogging and boat riding.) I DO think that a newsy day like today needed an "all hands on deck" setting...the Brady Bunch squares just don't allow for true conversation.

[jacourt]

Joe plays both sides so that down the road he can say see I said this or we knew this would happen, or here on the show we’ve been saying. He plays both sides of the fence so much I don’t know how he hasn’t impaled himself on a picket. 

[oakville]

3 hours ago, plumbago blues said:

I happened to catch Mika clutching a sheaf of papers, waving it around, imploring the right-wing media to read every word of it (the indictment, I guess), spewing disdain but with little actual detail...so typical. She tries to show her value in her soliloquies but never delves deep enough to show she really understands the matter at hand. ( guess her real value is presented in her Instagram pics: the cake baking, jogging and boat riding.) I DO think that a newsy day like today needed an "all hands on deck" setting...the Brady Bunch squares just don't allow for true conversation.

It looks like Mika & Joe are in separate locations today. Mika should be wearing her special indictment scarf. It was rude of the Georgia prosecutor not to wait until Mika's vacation in Maine was over before issuing the indictments.

[SG429]

Seemed to me that Joe was kind of salty today, not only to Mika but to dearly beloved Heilman as well.

When he took a breath in the middle of a rant, Mika tried to wedge in a point. He was about to swat her away and keep rolling, but yielded instead, only to follow it up with, "As I was saying..."

During another (or same) rant in a 2-box with him and JH, our John turned away from the camera to make a note, for which he got called out - "Am I boring you?" - and made to explain exactly why he dropped his enraptured gaze.

 

[oakville]

1 hour ago, SG429 said:

Seemed to me that Joe was kind of salty today, not only to Mika but to dearly beloved Heilman as well.

When he took a breath in the middle of a rant, Mika tried to wedge in a point. He was about to swat her away and keep rolling, but yielded instead, only to follow it up with, "As I was saying..."

During another (or same) rant in a 2-box with him and JH, our John turned away from the camera to make a note, for which he got called out - "Am I boring you?" - and made to explain exactly why he dropped his enraptured gaze.

 

I caught that! . Heileman should respect that Joe was in the midst of a glorious new rant about him criticizing the "Delta" of Newt Gingrich, Governor Sununu, & Clarence Thomas's wife, Ginni. They thought that Joe was too conservative on immigration reform, balanced budgets & trade. to get elected in 1994. She called Joe a troublemaker. They called Joe a jihadist.

Joe was the first Republican elected to the district since Reconstruction.

The people knew that Joe was right !

 

Joe said Gingrich shouldn't support an autocrat.

Heilemann agreed with Ginni that Joe was a troublemaker in Congress.

Heilemann called the delta, whores to power or fearful of the Republican base.

[Kemper]

For the “old-timers” here…I just read a story about The Furries! Apparently they were involved in an altercation at a beach in California. A passerby tried to take their picture; Furries were not happy about it. Maybe The Twins would like to chat about this tomorrow. Their coverage of them back in the early days was one of the funniest, most entertaining moments on the show.

[millennium]

Chris Matthews!   Ha!

Chris is squinting so hard under the lights it's like he just emerged from "the box" in Cool Hand Luke.

[millennium]

6 hours ago, Kemper said:

For the “old-timers” here…I just read a story about The Furries! Apparently they were involved in an altercation at a beach in California.

If a person has the stamina to hang out on a California beach at the height of August dressed head to toe in a fur suit and mask, with a pirate outfit, hat and boots, I say leave them alone.   It's just a matter of time before their body's core temperature makes the whole thing academic.

Messing with furries is one thing, but therians would seriously give me paws.

Edited August 16, 2023 by millennium

[SeanBug]

15 hours ago, oakville said:

I caught that! . Heileman should respect that Joe was in the midst of a glorious new rant about him criticizing the "Delta" of Newt Gingrich, Governor Sununu, & Clarence Thomas's wife, Ginni. They thought that Joe was too conservative on immigration reform, balanced budgets & trade. to get elected in 1994. She called Joe a troublemaker. They called Joe a jihadist.

Joe was the first Republican elected to the district since Reconstruction.

The people knew that Joe was right !

 

Joe said Gingrich shouldn't support an autocrat.

Heilemann agreed with Ginni that Joe was a troublemaker in Congress.

Heilemann called the delta, whores to power or fearful of the Republican base.

What happened to Joe kissing Gingrich's butt? I thought his deal was to brag about he and Gingrich bringing Bill Clinton to his knees to sign off on their budget. 

I'm pretty sure no one called Joe a jihadist. That term wasn't even being used back when he was in Congress. 

Joe is a trouble maker every where. And not "good trouble". More a shit stirrer who throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his way or people aren't paying attention to him.   Are people so desperate to be on tv they let themselves get booked on this shit show, or is it if you have a contract with MSNBC to be a consultant or "expert", you go where they tell you? 

[jacourt]

As my daughter was leaving for work today she commented that when guests find out they are doing this show do they say oh shit. 
Question:  what do you think Katy Kay is thinking about as she sits frozen just blinking as joe is giving her one of his 3 minute questions?  

[plumbago blues]

39 minutes ago, jacourt said:

Question:  what do you think Katy Kay is thinking about as she sits frozen just blinking as joe is giving her one of his 3 minute questions?  

"...if only that Ozy thing would have worked out..."

[oakville]

3 hours ago, SeanBug said:

What happened to Joe kissing Gingrich's butt? I thought his deal was to brag about he and Gingrich bringing Bill Clinton to his knees to sign off on their budget. 

Joe is a trouble maker every where. And not "good trouble". More a shit stirrer who throws a hissy fit when he doesn't get his way or people aren't paying attention to him.   Are people so desperate to be on tv they let themselves get booked on this shit show, or is it if you have a contract with MSNBC to be a consultant or "expert", you go where they tell you? 

Joe has told the story about he convinced Gingrich & Clinton to balance the budget. Joe threatened to filibuster in Congress unless his demands were met. Everyone knew Joe could talk for hours without a break, so they caved into his demands.

Guests on Morning Joe get autographed copies of Mika & Joe's books & if they stay for two segments, they get a CD of Joe's music.

[SeanBug]

5 hours ago, oakville said:

Guests on Morning Joe get autographed copies of Mika & Joe's books & if they stay for two segments, they get a CD of Joe's music.

And they take the CD and sell it for 50 cents toward the purchase of a book at Half Price Books.

in the first five minutes of Girls 5Eva (which is one of the funniest shows I have seen in years), a rap artist is sampling various songs from other artists, and his sound engineer starts listing what is available. 

SOUND ENGINEER You could go with Joe Scarborough’s funk album, anything by the Stones -- Sharon or Oliver -- this by Girls5eva --  

Can you imagine the shit people at 30 Rock say about him behind his back?  

[plumbago blues]

On 8/15/2023 at 1:42 PM, oakville said:

Mika should be wearing her special indictment scarf.

Your girl came through for you today, Oakville.

[SeanBug]

2 hours ago, plumbago blues said:

Your girl came through for you today, Oakville.

Came to say the same thing. She was rocking the faux outrage and indictment scarf today!  Now if she could just read the words on the teleprompter. 

They couldn't even get thru the poll numbers on who does and doesn't think Trump did anything wrong, who'll support him, etc. "wait if people don't like him and won't vote for him, how will we maintain outrage and ratings if he doesn't even get thru the primary??"   

It looks like she had second thoughts on chopping off her hair. Take some of that multi million dollar salary you don't earn and fly your stylist to Maine. 

[Lowcountry snark]

The scarf.  Oy. That's our Meeks!  She is something.
I've said it before, I need Joe to wear an obnoxious accessory three or four different ways during the show and never make mention of it.
 

[SeanBug]

12 minutes ago, Lowcountry snark said:

The scarf.  Oy. That's our Meeks!  She is something.
I've said it before, I need Joe to wear an obnoxious accessory three or four different ways during the show and never make mention of it.
 

Maybe he could take Mika's scarf and tie it around his head, ala Axl Rose. 

Welcome to the jungle, indeed. 

[Kemper]

It must have been yesterday- she and Joe were having a conversation and the name of her ‘former employer” came up. One of them under their breath said “CBS”; don’t know if they added the “News” to it. Then they muttered something. It was pretty fast and I am recovering from pneumonia - the meds have made crazy. Maybe I dreamed it.

[oakville]

8 hours ago, plumbago blues said:

Your girl came through for you today, Oakville.

I just saw that! Mika's staff must read this forum.

Joe was happy to report on the polls showing 64% won't vote for Trump.

Lemire said voters know it's wrong to keep nuclear secrets at Trump's golf club.

[oakville]

Joe said today reminds him of June 1974. Joe's dad supported Nixon till he heard the tapes.

Sykes wants the other candidates to denounce Trump.

[millennium]

That was a scarf?  I thought she had part of the Mystery Machine draped around her neck.

[oakville]

Mika got mad at Joe when he kept talking about Richard Haas's golf game. Mika wanted to go to break. She started drinking from her coffee mug in disgust.

Mika complained about golf not being a sport. It is a waste of time.

Mika cut off Donny Deutsch's microphone.

[oakville]

Joe is interested in Pickleball! Mika's friend plays Pickleball.

[Crashcourse]

6 hours ago, Lowcountry snark said:

I've said it before, I need Joe to wear an obnoxious accessory three or four different ways during the show and never make mention of it.
 

Well, there is that hideous burgundy and white striped tie he likes to wear. 

[Kemper]

26 minutes ago, oakville said:

Mika got mad at Joe when he kept talking about Richard Haas's golf game. Mika wanted to go to break. She started drinking from her coffee mug in disgust.

Mika complained about golf not being a sport. It is a waste of time.

Mika cut off Donny Deutsch's microphone.

Sounds like the pair have gone back to the slap and tickle days. Meeka feeling all superior …. Joe finds it sexy. 

[oakville]

29 minutes ago, Kemper said:

Sounds like the pair have gone back to the slap and tickle days. Meeka feeling all superior …. Joe finds it sexy. 

I recall Mika using a scarf to blindfold Joe in one of their photo shoots.

Joe bragged that he had a 95% rating from the ACU.

Joe wants Conservatives to win races but they have to turn away from Trump.

[chick binewski]

11 hours ago, SeanBug said:

They couldn't even get thru the poll numbers on who does and doesn't think Trump did anything wrong, who'll support him, etc. "wait if people don't like him and won't vote for him, how will we maintain outrage and ratings if he doesn't even get thru the primary??"   

Seriously. For the past three years they should have been covering reviews of why Trump may be ineligibility to run instead of just pretending to listen to Edward Foley today then quickly pivoting that it would be harmful to the country to bar Trump from running.

As much as I rag I do appreciate Mika's astonishment over the human race's ability to be terrible. But since she's making millions to read the news she should be required to do just that instead of just clutching her scarf at the threats made against Judge Chutkan. She left it to whathisface (sorry the brain is failing me today), who noted the impact of the language.

 

[neona2]

On 8/15/2023 at 8:01 PM, SG429 said:

Seemed to me that Joe was kind of salty today, not only to Mika but to dearly beloved Heilman as well.

When he took a breath in the middle of a rant, Mika tried to wedge in a point. He was about to swat her away and keep rolling, but yielded instead, only to follow it up with, "As I was saying..."

During another (or same) rant in a 2-box with him and JH, our John turned away from the camera to make a note, for which he got called out - "Am I boring you?" - and made to explain exactly why he dropped his enraptured gaze.

 

Just reading this makes me stressed

I'm not interested in this show anymore unless they're in studio.

Them all suddenly deciding they're scared to sit together at the same table, scared of the big city, scared of human interaction, is like surgeons suddenly deciding they're scared of blood

what exactly is it they think they are doing, out there, in their boxes? it's not tee-vee, that's for sure

i love this show when it's at its best, but it never is anymore, so what's the point.

for me it's podcasts etc right now. at least podcasts deliver quality without the constant disappointment. I miss the visuals but I just can't anymore

[tres bien]

Some of the dumbest stuff comes out of the mouths of smart people when they come on this show. Robert Gibbs. 

But that's what happens when you're a guest on a show that talks about the same subject ad nauseum 

 

[revbfc]

I couldn’t help but notice that Chris Christie didn’t say what those “BIG THINGS” he wanted to do were (aside from the usual babble about entitlements).

 I also couldn’t help but notice that no one pressed Chris more on that.

[tres bien]

9 minutes ago, revbfc said:

I couldn’t help but notice that Chris Christie didn’t say what those “BIG THINGS” he wanted to do were (aside from the usual babble about entitlements).

 I also couldn’t help but notice that no one pressed Chris more on that.

And interesting that a lot of the things he listed are things POTUS has already achieved.

And BTW board historians Christie listed off why presidents are elected ( of course all R's) he included George Washington. Was Washington a Republican and was he actually elected by the people? I don't think so 

Edited August 18, 2023 by tres bien

[oakville]

Joe warned viewers not to read political information from Chinese cults!

Mika is in an undisclosed location in the South of France.

Trump should have listened to his Attorney General.

Solo Joe should be a hoot

 

[SeanBug]

 

7 minutes ago, oakville said:

Mika is in an undisclosed location in the South of France.

Mika flew to NYC to get her hair done.  The salon called her assistants and told them to hide the scissors and he'd get her in this morning.   

You don't even want to know what she pays for a hair cut and highlights. 

[oakville]

Joe bragged that he had direct access to Trump's COS, Reince Priebus. Joe warned Reince about Trump's tweets on a Saturday morning. Reince was unaware of Trump tweeting about Obama tapping his phone.

Joe feels terrible for other Republican candidates who will suffer if Trump gets the nomination.

Joe warned viewers that he was right about Trump running for President to avoid jail.

[oakville]

Joe's segment of Faithful Fridays deals with evangelicals. Joe is an expert on Evangelicals. Joe said sinners are saved by grace.

Joe is mad at evangelicals that support Trump.

Joe used to attend church four nights a week.

Joe's guest Russell Moore was barely allowed to talk during Joe's interview.

[SeanBug]

4 hours ago, oakville said:

Joe bragged that he had direct access to Trump's COS, Reince Priebus. Joe warned Reince about Trump's tweets on a Saturday morning. Reince was unaware of Trump tweeting about Obama tapping his phone.

Joe feels terrible for other Republican candidates who will suffer if Trump gets the nomination.

Joe warned viewers that he was right about Trump running for President to avoid jail.

Jesus H Christ Joe, my dog knows that Trump is running for President to avoid jail. 

 

[jacourt]

So it appears mika has jeans on. As soon as the slow is over she’ll whip of the scarf and garden. 

[Rickster]

Granted, I haven’t seen him since the last election cycle, but nice to see Kornacki can afford a new pair of pants. Now maybe he can work on getting a new tie.