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5 hours ago, oakville said:

I think this clip deserves it's own long recap . It seems that Mika's family is not as supportive of marrying Joe. I am pretty stunned that Leslie Stahl asked Mika about her previous marriage. Why didn't Leslie ask Joe about his previous marriage(s) ?

As expected, Joe & Mika denied being supportive of Trump in 2015 & 2016.

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Tuesday Recap.

Mika & Joe are mad at..... Melania Trump

Mika is mad that she visited Michigan kids to discuss cyberbullying.

Mika said it was hypocritical given that Trump does it all the time to people including Mika.

Joe went on a 5 minute rant about all the insults that Trump made to his opponents.

Joe bragged that he has been going to the White House for 20-25 years. Mika has been going for 40 years.

Where are the pictures of Marines & regular people? There were pictures of Trump's crowds at the inauguration.

Willie said that it's not a bad thing that Melania is talking about Bullies.

Mika rolled her eyes.

I wonder what provoked this latest outburst by Joe?

Next topic. What's going on Niger? What happened to the troops? Was it an ambush?

No one knew that there were 1000 troops in Niger.

It's sad that they are doing this investigation because Trump insulted Mrs Johnson & the Cowboy Congresswoman.

Why wasn't this investigated on Day 1?

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Mika & Joe are making fun of Bannon's shirts. Are they spanx?

Mocking someone based on their appearance is called Bullying . Mika & Joe forgot about their previous rant by 6 15 am.

Bannon was upset about US foreign policy.

Joe trashed Obama for making foreign policy worse. Joe then realized that Obama's supporters that watch the show would be upset about that, so he said he respectfully disagrees with Obama's foreign policy. LOL!

Willie wants to know why Bannon wears three shirts?

Joe wore fleece with cereal crumbs for a year on his show. Did Willie ever complain about that?

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6 hours ago, oakville said:

I think this clip deserves it's own long recap . It seems that Mika's family is not as supportive of marrying Joe. I am pretty stunned that Leslie Stahl asked Mika about her previous marriage. Why didn't Leslie ask Joe about his previous marriage(s) ?

As expected, Joe & Mika denied being supportive of Trump in 2015 & 2016.

I too was surprised that Stahl pushed Mika so hard -- and don't know why the focus is always on Mika's perspective (same in recent articles).  I guess because she was the last to divorce, the assumption is she was the hold out.  Her narrative seems true but who knows about the timeline.  

I guess we read it the same -- that Mika's family is less supportive.  I wonder if that is why she wants to hold onto her house too -- for her daughters.

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4 minutes ago, Mmtx2002 said:

I too was surprised that Stahl pushed Mika so hard -- and don't know why the focus is always on Mika's perspective (same in recent articles).  I guess because she was the last to divorce, the assumption is she was the hold out.  Her narrative seems true but who knows about the timeline.  

I guess we read it the same -- that Mika's family is less supportive.  I wonder if that is why she wants to hold onto her house too -- for her daughters.

I am shocked that Mika would agree to those questions.  The anger in her eyes was very telling.

Joe was smiling as if he were a tiger that had caught his prey.

Joe has been smitten with Mika since 2007 , so he finally got his girl ( publicly) .

I don't think that Mika's family was very happy that she had to divorce Jim Hoffer.

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Mika & Joe's new hero is Bob Corker because he is complaining about Trump's photo op.

It's back to the Tip O Neill era. Tip would never allow attacks on Reagan.

Ben Sasse is a hero because he is speaking out about Trump.

Joe wants a GOP revolt against Trump.

Halperin is trying to calm down Joe because not all Senators are secure in their districts & care about losing their jobs.

Joe used to represent a secure GOP district by 1996. He didn't deviate that much from the GOP orthodoxy.

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Shut. Up. about KasieDC.  

I know, it's too sexual for 6:30 AM.

 

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Mika & Joe are making fun of Bannon's shirts. Are they spanx?

Mocking someone based on their appearance is called Bullying . Mika & Joe 

 

HEE!!!  Very true.  This same restraint prevents me from daily calling Sarah Sanders "a cow."  (oops I called Sara Sanders a cow)

 

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Elyce Jordan (is that the lady who was an aide to Bush--although she looks too young) was SPITTING with fury at Bush over his behcvior to the fallen solider's widow.  Spitting and enraged.

Did you mean Elise Jordan was spitting mad at Trump?

 

Oops yes, Trump.  Apparently my mind has erased his name

 

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It's kind of hilarious how over the top she was.

I would imagine she had a perhaps over-the-top emotional reaction due to grief from their own situation of losing a family member/partner.

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33 minutes ago, WhineandCheez said:

I know, it's too sexual for 6:30 AM.

 

HEE!!!  Very true.  This same restraint prevents me from daily calling Sarah Sanders "a cow."  (oops I called Sara Sanders a cow)

 

Oops yes, Trump.  Apparently my mind has erased his name

 

I would imagine she had a perhaps over-the-top emotional reaction due to grief from their own situation of losing a family member/partner.

I understand Elise being upset about losing her husband. 

I think she can contribute to the show in other ways than just bashing Trumps latest outrageous behavior.

 The panel has enough of these people.

I had to leave before KasieDc! Showed up.

Did she say anything interesting?

52 minutes ago, stormy said:

What a disjointed show. It opens with Melania on her anti-bully campaign. What a joke.

I don't tape the show that runs from 530-600 am.

However, it seems strange that they don't start with an introduction anymore.

 The show starts mid conversation with Joe & Mika mocking Trump

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So their new boy crush is Ben Sasse, huh? They mentioned him a few times today as someone who stands up to Trump. A simple google search would tell them that Sasse votes with Trump 92 percent of the time.

That’s what these folks miss about what’s going on. They scream about how the GOP doesn’t have the guts to stand up to Trump. Have they considered the GOP secretly like Trump just fine? He’s a useful idiot for them. 

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5 minutes ago, Mumbles said:

That’s what these folks miss about what’s going on. They scream about how the GOP doesn’t have the guts to stand up to Trump. Have they considered the GOP secretly like Trump just fine? He’s a useful idiot for them. 

That's exactly right. They'll use him to push through their agenda until he loses his base, then slide Pence in to finish off America.

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21 minutes ago, Eliot said:

That's exactly right. They'll use him to push through their agenda until he loses his base, then slide Pence in to finish off America.

I concur. Trump was able to win the election as an Archie Bunker Billionaire who got the Midwest electoral votes.

Trumps tweet storms are good for lazy cable hosts that don't care to discuss actual policy.

Where are the tax specialists to discuss the GOP plan?

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The strangest portion of this morning was that conservative author who claims to have experienced the "real" America by hanging out at NASCAR and shooting animals and so on, and is now a conservative having eschewed his liberal politics.
He's smug and facile with an absolute lack of charm.  Not a great combo.  Love his take on gun crimes, actual murders are down (according to him, over an arbitrary period of time) so as a nation there is no problem and we've got this all figured out.  There's nothing to fix!  We've already fixed it, stupid liberals!
Willie engaged with him and was slightly not boring, and Mika offered nothing except barely hidden contempt.
One thing he did say, also cherry picked data of questionable meaning, is that 50% of voters don't even know a person who voted for the opposing candidate. 
His whole premise was reductive to the point of nonsense, and, his target audience is conservative book buyers (plenty of jokes there) and so he should be on Fox.

But to get back to Mika.. she really should prepare better and engage with her guests.  She's just so not good.

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I remember when Mika & Joe had a whacky pastor on the show who liked to burn multiple copies of the Koran.

They wouldn't let him talk & cut him off halfway before he could even open his mouth.

I think it was around the time of the Ground Zero Mosque in New York

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But to get back to Mika.. she really should prepare better and engage with her guests.  She's just so not good.

Just try listening rather than watching, like I do. It's a 3 hour Mutterfest.  It's very apparent when you listen, you hear these little barbs made, sighs, and animal-like noises.  How many mill does she pull in???

Former Librul Nascar Lover/Pig Shooter--didn't he work for NPR or something, to add insult to injury??

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I suspect Joe will be excited tomorrow about Senator Flake deciding to not seek re election in 2018 & bash Trump. Joe will hail this as a another sign that Trump is out of control & must be stopped. Will Joe even bother to look up Flake's voting record ? Long time viewers of Morning Joe will recall Joe's passionate defense of background checks after the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting in 2012 near his home. Joe went on rants for several weeks about requiring more background checks. It looks like Senator Flake voted against background checks. Will Joe mention this tomorrow?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Flake#cite_note-57

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/19/us/tangled-birth-and-death-of-a-gun-control-bill.html

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7 hours ago, WhineandCheez said:

Just try listening rather than watching, like I do. It's a 3 hour Mutterfest.  It's very apparent when you listen, you hear these little barbs made, sighs, and animal-like noises.  How many mill does she pull in???

I've done that from the other room. Gah. Watching without sound entertains me nearly as much as watching no one but Mika (with or without sound). What a shame that Joe lacks the courage to walk away from MSNBC and go music music music now that he and his muse have gone public. Graspers and posers, both of them.

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Wednesday Recap. The panel was excited that a 96% Principled Conservative was quitting politics to battle the evil NY Democrat Trump. Joe called Trump a Democrat. Barnicle said that Pro Trump Conservatives are turning the party into a Dumpster Fire.! Joe trashed Trump for giving money to Democrats.

KasieDC! has her own musical intro when she appears.

Has the panel ever seen anything like it?

The end of the GOP is near according to Joe! Bannon supports convicted criminals!.

Why would this panel care about the "threat to Conservatism"?

Corker & Flake are the San Andreas Fault of the GOP according to over the top Barnicle

No comment on Jeff Flake's unpopularity with voters? Why was he trailing the whacky Kelli Ward in the primary?

No comment of Flake flip - flopping on Gun Control & lying to  Congresswoman Giffords who begged him for her vote ?

Flake was a Goldwater & Reagan Republican according to Joe.

Flake voted against funding the New Orleans hurricane in 2005. LOL! Yes, the GOP needs more of these characters.

The only reason the panel talks about him glowingly is because he is bashing Trump.

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The camera focused in on Joe at 6 22 am & he was ready to do a scripted rant but it almost hit him in the face. They went to  break. Joe told people to go to church & pray for better leaders.

Joe is cleaning his glasses with his tie.

Mika is mad at Sarah Huckabee. How does she hug her kids at night!. That's a cheap shot Mika at another woman.

Does Mika "Know your Value" have a chapter on leaving your husband & kids for your co host? How does she hug her kids at night :))?

Mika is making faces at the camera when they started talking about baseball. Mika is mad & frustrated about the basebll talk.

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Joe and his panel can praise Flake and Corker till hell freezes over but the facts don't lie. They have supported the hateful and harmful agenda of fat ass almost in entirety.

John McCain has at least once stood up and voted no.

Joe was lamenting about his friends that voted for trump. What will they do the next time? My guess is the same.

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I love Joe's praising of Flake.  I think it is time that someone brought up the horrible behavior of Flake and his co-horts...which morphed into the Tea Party.  They fostered the hatred of Obama and the subtle racism of the last 8-10 years.  Without Flake and his ilk we would never have Trump and his rabid "fans" who want to Make America Great Again.  Plus there is his oily smoothness.  Gleaming teeth, possible fake tan (maybe it is real, who knows).  I would say he reeks used-car-salesman; but that would be an insult to car salesman everywhere.

And enough already with KC/DC.  At this point it is nails-on-a-chalkboard.

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I had to leave for work. Did Joe bring on anyone from Arizona to discuss possible replacements for Flake?

From what I read , It isnt just Kelli Ward.

Its possible that a more moderate GOP candidate could defeat the Democrats.

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Senator Lee's well rehearsed rant about how the federal government takes power from local governments and gives power to "unelected bureaucrats" was bizarre and fascinating.  He lives and works in DC and is speaking to a 5 other mature adults who live and work in DC and ranted about how DC produces nothing and is a swamp that needs to be drained.  That is some true-believing horse shit nonsense.  Love how he wraps it up with an "elite" bow on top.  Checked every box!
I really do honestly feel sorry for people who buy that crap and believe it. 

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Flake is so principled that he and his maverick buddy McCain both voted to block consumers from being allowed to sue banking institutions yesterday.

It's real easy to complain when you don't have a stake in the fight anymore. Flake is an asshole, as is Corker, and Joe.  I about barfed when Joe said "yes in 1995 I was like a Tea Party kinda guy too." Oh shut the fuck up. 

I really think Mika wants Kasie to acknowledge that she did something to help her get a show, that's why they keep harping on it. Kasie mentioned it in a tweet before the premiere and I tweeted back, NO you got this show on YOUR talent. 

If they care so much about Kasie I didn't hear them mention she got hit in the head with a camera yesterday during the melee out in the hall of the Senate when Corker was out there bad mouthing Trump. 

3 minutes ago, Landsnark said:

Senator Lee's well rehearsed rant about how the federal government takes power from local governments and gives power to "unelected bureaucrats" was bizarre and fascinating.  He lives and works in DC and is speaking to a 5 other mature adults who live and work in DC and ranted about how DC produces nothing and is a swamp that needs to be drained.  That is some true-believing horse shit nonsense.  Love how he wraps it up with an "elite" bow on top.  Checked every box!
I really do honestly feel sorry for people who buy that crap and believe it. 

This shows one of two things: they think their constituents are idiots, or their constituents actually are idiots. If you hate gov't and Washington et al, then why the fuck are you in the Senate.  And if you vote for someone who says this shit, while they are holding a seat in Congress, then you deserve what you get. 

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28 minutes ago, Mumbles said:

Is there anyone out there who actually wants to read Jenna and Barbara Bush’s book?

I will say, Barbara has led a quiet and private life doing what seems to be good work. 

I’m not interested in the book, but they do seem to have matured into good young women. 

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Mika is mad at Sarah Huckabee. How does she hug her kids at night!. That's a cheap shot Mika at another woman.

YES but SHS is vile.  She has absolutely no energy or soul.  Dead behind the eyes, dead drawling voice, fantastic ability to make up lying shit on the fly! Last night I went to a lecture given by Carl Bernstein.  He basically said she is the worst baldfaced lying liar who ever lied.  I wish SNL would turn away from KAC and onto SHS.

 

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Mika is making faces at the camera when they started talking about baseball. Mika is mad & frustrated about the baseball talk.

I hate when she does this!!  She reminds me of the Queen Bee in high school who pulls attention away from her Quarterback boyfriend when he is talking with his team mates.

 

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I will say, Barbara has led a quiet and private life doing what seems to be good work. 

Yes, but how many endangered African animals has she shot??

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5 hours ago, oakville said:

No comment on Jeff Flake's unpopularity with voters? Why was he trailing the whacky Kelli Ward in the primary?

 

I'm wondering about this too. Is it because Flake wrote a book criticizing Trump? Is it because Bannon had him as a target? I've heard only ridiculous things about Kelli Ward. Why would the Republicans in Arizona turn on such a conservative guy like Flake? If it's because they love Trump so much, that is scary, but maybe not surprising?

Edited to add, Nevermind, I answered my own question.

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I can't link ( sorry!) but there is an article stating that Mark Halperin is accused of sexual harassment. He admitted that he had sought relationships with women who worked with him and he was taking a step back to evaluate the situation.

 

I hate to see anyone be the subject of his harassment and am sorry for that BUT this  might finally shut him up. #teamheilman

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Thursday Recap.

Joe is in the bunker. Mika is in studio. Halperin is not on set.

Willie likes the baseball game.

Joe is mad at Trump. His poll numbers are declining.

They are asking Mika about baseball. She is annoyed.

Barnicle is mad about too many stats in baseball.

Mika is wearing a nice blazer.

Kristen Solis " Hillary will get 330 EV's" Anderson is on to discuss polls.

Joe is excited that the polls showing Trump dropping. Joe found a poll with Trump at 32% support.

Will they discuss the Russia Dossier?

Joe's hair is very high.

Joe is mad at closing tax  loopholes.

Joe wants Trump to stay focused on tax reform but doubts that he will.

Ford Jr said there is a difference between campaigns & governing.

Mika looks very pale today. Too much lighting?

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26 minutes ago, oakville said:

Wow!. These are very serious allegations. He denies grabbing women's genitalia. I wonder if Mika & Joe will mention it. Mika was eager to discuss the Weinstein allegations.

Mika mentioned it right before a commercial break but I wasn't paying attention and just thought, "Huh?"

Then I read the linked article and thought, "Ew."

Then I got mad. Honestly, is too much to expect to be able to come to work without some asshole rubbing his dick all over you? What a pig.

Edited to add: Now Joe is ranting about Republicans needing to say "No" to Trumpism by running candidates that oppose him. That won't work because they will get primaries by the base. If these so-called "principled" politicians really want to stop Trump, they should switch parties and flip the Senate so at least one institution can act as a check against his excesses.

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14 minutes ago, oakville said:

Wow!. These are very serious allegations. He denies grabbing women's genitalia. I wonder if Mika & Joe will mention it. Mika was eager to discuss the Weinstein allegations.

As their first block ended and Mika was about to throw the show over to the weather forecast and commercials, the camera focused on Mika only in a close shot.  She announced that she had news about "OUR FRIEND, Mark Halperin."  She related the CNN report, and she emphasized that the allegations are "from a DECADE ago, " when Halperin worked at ABC News.  Then she read what Halperin responded, and she said they would continue to follow the story.

The words I capitalized above are my own Emphasis Added.  To my ear, Mika was being sympathetic to Halperin.

Have you guys been reading about the elder President Bush?  I doubt MJ will address that one.  Man, even a wheelchair, advanced age, and constant companions cannot stop some of these guys. They're entitled, you know. JMO. (i don't believe Mr GHW Bush suffers from Alzheimer's.)

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It took till 6 17am for Mika to bring up the Halperin story. Mika called it "inappropriate behavior". She called him "our friend".

Why didn't Mika mention the specific allegations?

She looked like someone ran over her dog.

Mika said that they would discuss it on the show at a later date.

In 2011, Mika & Joe goaded Halperin into calling Obama a "dick" on the show & he was suspended by MSNBC.

This is outrageous behavior by Halperin.

8 minutes ago, sleekandchic said:

As their first block ended and Mika was about to throw the show over to the weather forecast and commercials, the camera focused on Mika only in a close shot.  She announced that she had news about "OUR FRIEND, Mark Halperin."  She related the CNN report, and she emphasized that the allegations are "from a DECADE ago, " when Halperin worked at ABC News.  Then she read what Halperin responded, and she said they would continue to follow the story.

The words I capitalized above are my own Emphasis Added.  To my ear, Mika was being sympathetic to Halperin.

Have you guys been reading about the elder President Bush?  I doubt MJ will address that one.  Man, even a wheelchair, advanced age, and constant companions cannot stop some of these guys. They're entitled, you know. JMO. (i don't believe Mr GHW Bush suffers from Alzheimer's.)

Excellent recap.

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At 6 29 am, Mika was discussing President Xi of China & Joe started coughing & moaning off camera. I wonder if he went to the bathroom in the bunker.

Joe is mad at Trump for praising a tyrant like President Xi.

Joe is mad at Trump for talking about stripping NBC licenses.

Joe said that people can organize against Trump. Joe said there could be other candidates who could run against Trump.

Joe likes democracy. Joe is doing a scripted rant ! Yes! Say no Trumpism!

Joe is such a pouffy haired buffoon. This show makes me laugh.

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At 7 am, Joe is still mad at Trump. He laughed at the clip of Trump saying that he went to an ivy league college & was civil.

They go crazy at all his tweets.

Elise Jordan is on now in a sleeveless dress with a zipper in the front ?

Mika reminded Joe that he is a Harvard Fellow!.

Joe is proud of going to the University of Alabama

I do wonder if Mika & Joe were aware of Halperin's sexual harassment allegations?

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40 minutes ago, spiderherky said:

He has Parkinson's disease.  The disease and medications used to treat it can be personality-altering.

His spokesman has released two statements on the Heather Lind situation.  A second actress has come forward too.  Mr Bush evidently has a joke he likes to tell as a prelude to his grabs.  And it looks like Mrs Barbara Bush has been aware for some time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/10/25/george-h-w-bush-apologizes-for-attempt-at-humor-after-actress-accused-him-of-groping/?utm_term=.a3a3c9e53749

@oakville, exposed zippers are a big fashion detail right now.  I just bought a dress very similar to the one  Elise is wearing. :)

@MyAimIsTrue, you're right, but since my Yankees were knocked out, my heart isn't in the WS!  Selfish, I admit!  The Astros and Dodgers are mind-blowing.  

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The baseball bit at the start of each show is starting to play like a vaudeville comedy act.   Picture Fred Mertz and Ricky Ricardo as Mike Barnicle and Joe Scarborough, and Ethel Mertz as Mika.   Fred and Ricky kick it off:

FRED/BARNICLE:  "Say Rick, did you see the big game last night?"

RICKY/SCARBOROUGH:  "I sure did, Fred, what a game huh?" 

FRED/BARNICLE:  "That it was, that it was.  Say, Rick, did you know baseball is the only sport mentioned in the Bible?"

RICKY/SCARBOROUGH:  "Oh ho!   I think you're pulling my leg!

FRED/BARNICLE:  "No sirree.  Just look at the very first sentence (pantomines opening a book and following a line with his finger)  "In the big inning ..."

RICKY/SCARBOROUGH: (recoils in exaggerated fashion, then shakes his fist at Fred/Barnicle):  "Why, you sneaky, no-good ..."

ETHEL/MIKA: (inserts herself between the two men, flutters her eyelashes and smiles sweetly):  "Hee hee!  What's baseball?"

(curtain)

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Today I may have hit the upper end of the threshold I can stomach for their complaining of Trump.  Elyce re: Trump's Ivy League bragging was too much for me somehow, and then Mika interrupted her to say that "he's like the guy who needs the sports car, y'know?  He's definitely overcompensating for something, y'know?"  Weiner jokes, Mika?  The sports car guy stereotype, Mika?  What insights.
I got through 30 seconds today.

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I missed all the baseball talk and the mention of the Halperin business (spellcheck changed that to "Hampering"!), but I was happy to see my favorite guest, Robert Costa, on the show. He just seems so knowledgeable and serious, unlike many of MJ's guests. And I like to watch him throughout the day as he becomes slightly more ruffled-looking but never any less serious. He's all slicked-back hair and clean-shaven on MJ (although he seems to be one of those guys who has a 5 o'clock shadow right after he shaves).  By the time he shows up on BW's show, his hair is all curly and a bit disheveled, and he looks as though he hasn't shaven in a week.

It's the journalists (the Costas and the Philip Ruckers and the Ashley Parkers, etc.) who will save us from this nightmare, if, that is, we can still be saved.

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10 minutes ago, Landsnark said:

Today I may have hit the upper end of the threshold I can stomach for their complaining of Trump.  Elyce re: Trump's Ivy League bragging was too much for me somehow, and then Mika interrupted her to say that "he's like the guy who needs the sports car, y'know?  He's definitely overcompensating for something, y'know?"  Weiner jokes, Mika?  The sports car guy stereotype, Mika?  What insights.
I got through 30 seconds today.

Real news is slipping through the cracks.

Yesterday a judge threw out a class action lawsuit brought by 18 states to force Trump to pay the ACA/Obamacare subsidies, dashing the hopes of many Obamacare customers.   Totally ignored.

A few days ago Trump signed an executive order authorizing the recall of at least 1000 retired military pilots.  Gee, I wonder why he's doing this.  He couldn't be preparing for war, could he?   Totally ignored.

Yesterday the Senate voted to kill a law that makes it easier for people to sue banks that screw them over.  Totally ignored.

Also yesterday Trump rescinded many of the previous FAA restrictions against drones, paving the way for Amazon, Walmart and other retailers to send drones into the airspace over our neighborhoods, yards and heads.   The relaxing of restrictions will enable drones to be flown beyond the view of operators, above people and traffic, and at night (all of which were previously forbidden).   Prepare to see -- and hear -- commercial drones everywhere, buzzing you, following you, filming you, whatever corporate America wants.  Totally ignored by show.

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