Reel to Real: Backstage, Twitter, & All Media Dram-ugh

[DivaT]

6 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

It's a shame that they gave Devon billions and then never did anything with it. He, and to a lesser extent Neil, are the only non-white characters on the show with any type of money and power. As you said, given the track record this show has with POC, I'd rather they invest the time and energy into developing the few of them they already have.  The fact that Devon is practically a blank slate is an advantage since SSA can do whatever she wants with him without having to worry much about character history. There's no reason why he and Hilary can't be turned into integral characters if someone just takes the time to give them personalities and big stories and stop marginalizing them. 

Stop marginalizing them is the key. Especially devon. I've never seen a character buy so many businesses but never allowed to run any of them to get the day to day story that affords. It's blatant and ridiculous. 

[glowlights]

22 hours ago, Snaporaz said:

My biggest problem with Devon in the past has been what a judgmental priss he was, especially with Daniel. I also hated the way he treated Katherine and Tucker.  While I've mellowed on him recently, I do think he's bland.  

My biggest problem with Devon (besides the aforementioned priss factor) is the actor playing him. Same with Lily. They are like nails on chalkboard. But I'm obviously at a table for one with this opinion, given their fan clubs.

[valleycliffe]

7 minutes ago, glowlights said:

My biggest problem with Devon (besides the aforementioned priss factor) is the actor playing him. Same with Lily. They are like nails on chalkboard. But I'm obviously at a table for one with this opinion, given their fan clubs.

no, you're not.,

have never really cared for devon, and really dislike this lily...i liked lily at one time, but she was a different person then...

[miamama]

20 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

I've read that she has a few physical problems, including a bad back, which may account for her odd posture and stilted way of walking. The four inch heels probably aren't helping either. I wish she'd go back on the sauce, she at least was funny as Drinki.

Bill Bell's oringinal Kay Chancellor was perfect. Tortured, rich, desperate drunk housewife. He really knew how to create a layered, fascinating fucked up woman of a certain age. 

[peacheslatour]

43 minutes ago, valleycliffe said:

no, you're not.,

have never really cared for devon, and really dislike this lily...i liked lily at one time, but she was a different person then...

For me Lily is redeemed by her overwhelming hatred of Hilary, exceeded only by my own.

[valleycliffe]

45 minutes ago, miamama said:

Bill Bell's oringinal Kay Chancellor was perfect. Tortured, rich, desperate drunk housewife. He really knew how to create a layered, fascinating fucked up woman of a certain age. 

i think the perfect word to describe that kaye chancellor would be "harridan".

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, miamama said:

Bill Bell's oringinal Kay Chancellor was perfect. Tortured, rich, desperate drunk housewife. He really knew how to create a layered, fascinating fucked up woman of a certain age. 

It's really too bad that it took till 2006 to have Kay and Stephanie Forrester meet up. The cameo was only to set up Stephanie's newly discovered claim to FC, but when you lay it out like that....seems like a lost opportunity.

[Big Blue Plate]

So I read the SSM interview and my big takeaway was an unease she's going too far back to the past.  Nikki and Victor?  Message stories?  Oh, God... those light touch inspirations are runner up to Y&R's gift for comedy.

I like what she said about Jill but maybe it is time for a recast.  Jess Walton seems only interested in working so often. (And while I used to to like her I find her pretty one note now.)  I don't know why she'd undo Jill's paternity (although I get her argument... but it isn't like that kind of detail has ever stopped a soap before)... I mean, does anybody actually care about who Jill's parents were?  Does it change anything?  I actually think the Fenmore paternity was a good storyline that was glossed over.  Bell would have mined the hell out of that.  

Anyway I liked overall what she said but the more I read it the uneasier I got about what she intends to do because it just sounded so retro.  

Can't be worse than what we've got, but am not sure it sounds better.  I don't want the show cancelled but something's got to goose the numbers and keep them there. 

[Anna Yolei]

Wasn't there a rumor about JW being more or less shuffled out by JFP? Phelp's aversion to women of a certain age is no secret and CBS didn't give her complete carte blanche to gut all the veterans like ABC did. 

[miamama]

3 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Jess Walton seems only interested in working so often.

She clarified in an interview that was because she was given shit. She would be happy to work if she has actual stories.

3 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Nikki and Victor?

My feeling is they need to stay a couple as long as they are both on this show. Older couples do not need to have this on-again, off-again crap. Especially when we know they'll only ever end up with each other. I really think she was speaking to that. They are a pair, done. 

3 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

I don't know why she'd undo Jill's paternity

I think she said she'd ignore it and maybe undo it at a later point. But it messes up the next generation too. Like Lauren is Billy's aunt now? WTF? Or Jill is somehow all tied up with the Baldwins by way of marriage. It's silly and needs to stop IMO. I never bought any of it. 

But I see what you say about the interview feeling retro. It did but I think she was trying to explain how fucked up it was and how she wants to clean it up so she can build on a solid foundation. 

They're casting for a teenager who is almost certainly Reed. MY said Mariah will get big story (which CG has confirmed she's been taping). Sally spoke to Hillary as being important and her thoughts on Devon. I am sure she has big plans for the future but needs to clean up the messes left her.

3 hours ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Message stories?

Yeah. I don't ever want to see PSA's and HIVtheVirusThatCausesAIDS again. I'm hoping she means something like let's acknowledge black people have issues that are unique and play that into character. But we shall see on that one.

[ByTor]

On 11/12/2016 at 3:51 PM, Lithogirl said:

I'm sorry but I think she is just horrid. She walks like she's pitching forward, often times when she speaks she sounds like she's taken a sleep aid and is about to doze off.  I'm sure she is a good sport but I don't believe she is a good actress at all. Those fight scenes the other day were embarrassingly bad. Jmo, though. And clearly Sally thinks she's great.

I'm sure MTS would rather walk straight than put up with the crippling back pain she's been enduring for years.

[TwistedSoul7]

I did have to laugh at the Daytime Confidential Podcast folk shadying the Phyllis/Billy fans losing their shit on social media. Those people in the beginning were very high praising the affair and now they like "Fuck Philly!" Made me laugh. They all had great points in that once the affair ended so did the story. It became boring and the chemistry died after the "naughty" was removed. It is time to end it. It wouldn't even rank Top 50 of Y&R affairs.

[miamama]

4 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I did have to laugh at the Daytime Confidential Podcast folk shadying the Phyllis/Billy fans losing their shit on social media. Those people in the beginning were very high praising the affair and now they like "Fuck Philly!" Made me laugh. They all had great points in that once the affair ended so did the story. It became boring and the chemistry died after the "naughty" was removed. It is time to end it. It wouldn't even rank Top 50 of Y&R affairs.

Did they? lol. Yeah Jamey Giddens thought it was AWESOME in the beginning. It was always stupid. 

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

My feeling is they [Victor and Nikki] need to stay a couple as long as they are both on this show. Older couples do not need to have this on-again, off-again crap. Especially when we know they'll only ever end up with each other. I really think she was speaking to that. They are a pair, done. 

Victurd's abuse in the last decade aside, I agree with this. There comes a point on every soap where it becomes time to shit or get off the pot with a particular couple. Especially when you're the only couple left on the show whose story began in the 20th century.

Keeping Victor out the orbit of women who went to college with his daughter is an added bonus.

[peacheslatour]

Very good and well thought out post mia! I completely agree with every point

[Anna Yolei]

15 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I did have to laugh at the Daytime Confidential Podcast folk shadying the Phyllis/Billy fans losing their shit on social media. Those people in the beginning were very high praising the affair and now they like "Fuck Philly!" Made me laugh. They all had great points in that once the affair ended so did the story. It became boring and the chemistry died after the "naughty" was removed. It is time to end it. It wouldn't even rank Top 50 of Y&R affairs.

On a tangent to this, I found a two part compilation video of Phick following them from the search for Daniel to right up till their New Mexico cowboy wedding that was every bit as cheesy as it sounds. But as absolutely basic and gagworthy that their marriage was,* the sex scenes were damn hot, and their relationship was built up to those scenes. Arguably, it was the last affairs based relationship on any of the three shows I followed that was worth a piss IMO.

* I swear you can actually see the exact moment where all the magic disappates in the second video after Phick have their first roll in the bed when they're both free, right down to the very frame. ?

[TwistedSoul7]

I believe you. Sometimes affairs need to just be that. Some can turn into more and become a story but that is not usually the case. I liked Phick's affair but the aftermath was boring. Then it became a Sharon/Phyllis fan war. It wasn't even about Nick anymore. 

In the beginning I could see how Philly could be drawn to each other and even have a ONS, but that is where it needed to end. It should have played way differently. Both needed to feel guilty because they loved Jack. Trying to make it a love thing and making Billy OTT obsessed with her while loathing Jack was ridiculous. Can you blame SSM for wanting to end it?

Edited November 15, 2016 by TwistedSoul7

[miamama]

34 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I did have to laugh at the Daytime Confidential Podcast folk shadying the Phyllis/Billy fans losing their shit on social media. Those people in the beginning were very high praising the affair and now they like "Fuck Philly!" Made me laugh. They all had great points in that once the affair ended so did the story. It became boring and the chemistry died after the "naughty" was removed. It is time to end it. It wouldn't even rank Top 50 of Y&R affairs.

So I had to listen (and that is a real effort because I hate Jillian Bowe and her freaking voice) but it was such a trash of Philly and their stans that it was worth it. lol. JG said the affair was "soapy but O-K" at first. It was better on paper than actually. The chemistry was "wooden", two recasts trying to feel their way through this. Wouldn't even make the "Top 3,000 of pairings."

bwahahahaha.

Then (annoying Jillian I think): "Fuck Philly."

Not that these people are the be-all of soap opinions. But Logan openly hates this pairing. Now these folk do. And most importantly of all SSM hates it. FB and Instagram (official Y&R) openly loathed Philly. I think that's about as official a fail as you can get these days.

Burn it with FIRE. Throw sage on it. Keep going. It will never be enough for me....

Also Jamey talked about network interference post-Bill Bell and this Barbara Bloom (CBS) person who apparently saw herself in Phyllis (seriously?????). That's why LML gave us all the Phyllis as shrieking (jealous of Sharon) "heroine" for years!

Fascinating if true. SSM takes responsibility for the Phick affair -- which I will admit was good soap -- but she was fired along with Alden and Jack Smith and then we had the Phyllis (and Phick as Epic Love) years. And now SSM does NOT list Phyllis as a core, indispensable. Also interesting.

[HeatLifer]

12 minutes ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

Trying to make it a love thing and making Billy OTT obsessed with her while loathing Jack was ridiculous.

That's exactly where they went wrong.

11 minutes ago, miamama said:

The chemistry was "wooden",

Facts. They were the epitome of forced and try-hard. They were so desperate to make chemistry happen that it ultimately had the opposite effect.

[JasonCC]

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Also Jamey talked about network interference post-Bill Bell and this Barbara Bloom (CBS) person who apparently saw herself in Phyllis (seriously?????). That's why LML gave us all the Phyllis as shrieking (jealous of Sharon) "heroine" for years!

I didn't watch very much in the LML years, and I hated the way Gloria ate the show and killing off John Abbott.  MAB was much better at honoring history than LML.

However, I liked the LML years Phyllis the most of all. No longer a complete villain you love to hate, but a quirky shit-stirrer. I liked it when she went toe to toe with Sharon or Dru or Cricket. MAB annoyed me when she started injecting the character into storylines to such a ridiculous degree, like when Phyllis became Nancy Drew getting to the bottom of the Sharon/Ashley baby switch.  I think GT is a fine actress but my favorite Phyllis will always be more of an anti-heroine circa 2004-2005. 

Edited November 15, 2016 by JasonCC

[Big Blue Plate]

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[Big Blue Plate]

6 hours ago, JasonCC said:

I didn't watch very much in the LML years, and I hated the way Gloria ate the show and killing off John Abbott. 

Agree agree agree and amen.  I was disappointed in LML.  I thought given her background she could have done great things for the show but it was one of the great low points to my mind.  That's when I gave up for several years.  Gloria drove me nuts.  Great character but she's like vinegar in a recipe... a little goes a long way... too much and it's all you taste.  And sadly, she got loopier and bug eyed with every passing year. 

And who the hell kills off John Abbott?  Jesus.  That is a retcon I'd forgive in a minute, no matter what it took.

[Anna Yolei]

LML also greelit the story about Cassie dying. It got a lotta mileage from that event including two Newman half-sisters, but they could've done so many other things with a teen Cassie. We're they that desperate to break Shick up as to use the (albeit well-written) nuclear option?

The only good thing about ButtBiscuit is TIIC were so busy with stuffing that crap down our throats that there was no time to shove in one of the ten million Cassie memorials they've been doing for the last eleven (!!!!!!!!) year. Gimme ten hours of Philly fucking on the Chancellor stair over ten seconds of St. Cassie being a deity that Shick use to justify being shitty ass people.

Edited November 16, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[LeftPhalange]

3 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Gimme ten hours of Philly fucking on the Chancellor stair over ten seconds of St. Cassie being a deity that Shick use to justify being shitty ass people.

I don't know if I'd go quite this far, but I agree that the multiple Cassie memorials, remembrances, tributes, Very Special Episodes, etc every year were nauseating. Oh no! Nick and Sharon are acting like pieces of shit again, lets dedicate another episode to dead Cassie so people will feel sorry for them.

[miamama]

So CBS SID runs an article saying rumours of Travis Roark being done taping are bogus - based on their on set sources.

AH confirms at a Saturday event that indeed it's true and he's done.

That guy at SID admitted he was lied to re: this (on Twitter) and that it wouldn't be the first time. Seriously? Lol

[Anna Yolei]

9 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

I don't know if I'd go quite this far, but I agree that the multiple Cassie memorials, remembrances, tributes, Very Special Episodes, etc every year were nauseating. Oh no! Nick and Sharon are acting like pieces of shit again, lets dedicate another episode to dead Cassie so people will feel sorry for them.

Not only that, but since Camryn Grimes is back, the memorials just seem redundant now. I had the sense they were doing this as a way to show the fans they hadn't forgotten about her. But enough is enough. People lose children and it's the worst possible thing you can go through...but people don't lie about the results of paternity tests or bang half the town or act like their tragedy gives them carte blanch to be dicks. Imagine poor Summer having to live under the shadow of that loss.

[LeftPhalange]

Isn't CBS SID supposed to be unofficially affiliated with CBS? Why not just say no comment instead of lying.

[crosby777]

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  I think GT is a fine actress but my favorite Phyllis will always be more of an anti-heroine circa 2004-2005. 

 

OMG me too. SO MUCH. I love that Phyllis.. she is not the same.. sucking around kissing Jack's ass is not what I want to see. 

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 Jess Walton seems only interested in working so often. (And while I used to to like her I find her pretty one note now.)  

She adds nothing to the show now. I don't find her funny or anything. She is an intruding mother /mother in law from hell. YAWN

[Joimiaroxeu]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

So CBS SID runs an article saying rumours of Travis Roark being done taping are bogus - based on their on set sources.

AH confirms at a Saturday event that indeed it's true and he's done.

That guy at SID admitted he was lied to re: this (on Twitter) and that it wouldn't be the first time. Seriously? Lol

Wonder who MR pissed off? If the rumors are true not only are they getting rid of his character, they seemed to be turning him into a cheating asshole on the way out. This seems to me like a whiplash-inducing change in Travis' characterization. Maybe someone else felt there wasn't enough room in this here town for the both of them? (Looking at you, JT.) Ugh, this show and its cliquishness...

Edited November 16, 2016 by Joimiaroxeu
let me get that first initial right

[miamama]

3 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Wonder who TR pissed off? If the rumors are true not only are they getting rid of his character, they seemed to be turning him into a cheating asshole on the way out. This seems to me like a whiplash-inducing change in Travis' characterization. Maybe someone else felt there wasn't enough room in this here town for the both of them? (Looking at you, JT.) Ugh, this show and its cliquishness...

AH said he wanted to do other things - MR's choice. Nothing official confirmed. I read about AH's comments on Twitter from someone who attended. But writing sure spells his end.

Edited November 16, 2016 by miamama

[miamama]

52 minutes ago, LeftPhalange said:

Isn't CBS SID supposed to be unofficially affiliated with CBS? Why not just say no comment instead of lying.

No affiliation. The mag confirmed this recently.

[PatsyandEddie]

I'm sad that MR is leaving. Not only he is some fine eye candy but he can act and his character was introduced as a good guy. Now he's fucking cheater and liar. Thanks show.

[boes]

36 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I'm sad that MR is leaving. Not only he is some fine eye candy but he can act and his character was introduced as a good guy. Now he's fucking cheater and liar. Thanks show.

Another ButtBiscuit victim to his propping.  Travis came back to GC to help Victoria and now, all of a sudden, he's turned into a lying cheat.  Does. Not. Compute.

Show could have let him leave, say, fed up with the Newman family dynamic, maybe?  Instead, he has to be a dirtbag to prop up the moral pigpen of the show.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Maybe he heard the spumors about Travis moving over to Abby next and decided to nope out of there. If so I can't say I blame him because a) Abby continuing to take her relative's leftovers is pathetic, and b) it is also nasty. So is the point of this Michelle character to give Travis an exit? Is she going to turn out to be the love of his life after he said before that he barely thinks about her anymore?

[loiswests]

15 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

LML also greelit the story about Cassie dying. It got a lotta mileage from that event including two Newman half-sisters, but they could've done so many other things with a teen Cassie. We're they that desperate to break Shick up as to use the (albeit well-written) nuclear option?

The only good thing about ButtBiscuit is TIIC were so busy with stuffing that crap down our throats that there was no time to shove in one of the ten million Cassie memorials they've been doing for the last eleven (!!!!!!!!) year. Gimme ten hours of Philly fucking on the Chancellor stair over ten seconds of St. Cassie being a deity that Shick use to justify being shitty ass people.

Jack Smith wrote Cassie dying. Cassie was killed off in May 2005. LML became a creative consultant in November 2005. She became HW in February 2006. It's when CBS seized control of YR and pushed Bill Bell's team out. 

[crosby777]

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 Gimme ten hours of Philly fucking on the Chancellor stair over ten seconds of St. Cassie being a deity that Shick use to justify being shitty ass people.

YES!!! Shick is the most overused  overdone mess on soaps.. Shick should never get back together.. they both treat each other like shit.. and sharon has fucked all of the relatives of Nick's she could find. So gross. People are upset at Phyllis fucking billy.. but Sharon has fucked both nick's brothers and his fucking DADDY>!@

[miamama]

29 minutes ago, boes said:

Another ButtBiscuit victim to his propping.  Travis came back to GC to help Victoria and now, all of a sudden, he's turned into a lying cheat.  Does. Not. Compute.

Show could have let him leave, say, fed up with the Newman family dynamic, maybe?  Instead, he has to be a dirtbag to prop up the moral pigpen of the show.

It's all for ButtBiscuit. He needs to shine and so Travis is trashed. I do think the Travis sex with Michelle will show Billy how much he hurt Jack. He's a narcissist so he needs to see the pain in Vicki caused by someone else (not him) betraying her to GET how badly HE hurt Jack.

How many characters twisted to make JT's Billy work now?

Edited November 16, 2016 by miamama

[DivaT]

3 hours ago, miamama said:

So CBS SID runs an article saying rumours of Travis Roark being done taping are bogus - based on their on set sources.

AH confirms at a Saturday event that indeed it's true and he's done.

That guy at SID admitted he was lied to re: this (on Twitter) and that it wouldn't be the first time. Seriously? Lol

CBS tells Richard anything. He never has any decent scoop. I think I have access to more info than he does. poor guy. 

[peacheslatour]

24 minutes ago, crosby777 said:

YES!!! Shick is the most overused  overdone mess on soaps.. Shick should never get back together.. they both treat each other like shit.. and sharon has fucked all of the relatives of Nick's she could find. So gross. People are upset at Phyllis fucking billy.. but Sharon has fucked both nick's brothers and his fucking DADDY>!@

Not while she was married to Nick.

[Anna Yolei]

47 minutes ago, crosby777 said:

Shick should never get back together.. they both treat each other like shit..

Truer words were never spoken. 

23 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Not while she was married to Nick.

Not only just that, but Nick never had the relationship to either Nick or Adam that Jack and Billy had. 

51 minutes ago, loiswests said:

Jack Smith wrote Cassie dying. Cassie was killed off in May 2005. LML became a creative consultant in November 2005. She became HW in February 2006. It's when CBS seized control of YR and pushed Bill Bell's team out. 

Ahhh, thanks for the clarification. 

[crosby777]

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Not while she was married to Nick.

LMAO oh shit.. then it is ok.. silly me. HAHAHAHHA

[peacheslatour]

Never said it was o.k. Just not the same. It's called a false equivalency.

Edited November 16, 2016 by peacheslatour

[miamama]

5 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

Never said it was o.k. Just nor the same. It's called a false equivalency.

Yep. Ashley and Traci were both married to Brad. Nikki was engaged to Brad; Victoria was married to him. Victoria and Nikki fought over Cole.

It happens on a soap with limited characters. This time it was a straight up affair, written in as vile a manner as possible with Phyllis lying to Jack's face for months. 

[spinxella]

Michael Roark is gone. His agent posted his final air dates:

Nov 17, Nov 18, Nov 21, Nov 23, Nov 28, Nov 29, Nov 30, Dec 6 (Last Episode).

RIP Travis Crawford aka ShouldHaveBeenBillyAbbott.  :(

[ezzylin]

3 hours ago, miamama said:

 Nikki was engaged to Brad; Victoria was married to him. Victoria and Nikki fought over Cole.

Nikki and Victoria both slept with Deacon. 

[ezzylin]

Double post.

Edited November 17, 2016 by ezzylin

[Big Blue Plate]

25 minutes ago, ezzylin said:

Nikki and Victoria both slept with Deacon. 

Reading without my glasses and had a real moment of WTF?  Never knew Victor was that interesting. 

[boes]

27 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Reading without my glasses and had a real moment of WTF?  Never knew Victor was that interesting. 

That's when Victor first originated his pet phrase,"You got that?", when Deacon asked him to hurry it up.

"Ain't gonna happen" came later.....

[Big Blue Plate]

^ or didn't. :)

[Cupid Stunt]

4 hours ago, spinxella said:

Michael Roark is gone. His agent posted his final air dates:

Nov 17, Nov 18, Nov 21, Nov 23, Nov 28, Nov 29, Nov 30, Dec 6 (Last Episode).

RIP Travis Crawford aka ShouldHaveBeenBillyAbbott.  :(

Dagnabbit!

TIIC get rid of talented and good-looking MR, but keep that waste of skin JT?

 

<sob>

Why can't we have nice things?