General Gabbery: DWTS

[boyznkatz]

16 minutes ago, spanana said:

Oh, and the Rumer thing is weird too. Rumer has a relationship with Peta and maybe some of the other fam.  Though less than she used to years ago.  But she almost has zero relationship with Val. 

I don't know if its true, but I heard she despises him for the same reason that Janel does.

[spanana]

21 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

I think Val realizes his popularity is falling off, as to why im sure he is hoping Dwts Jr. takesoff and continues to do well because I think his fanbase is losing interest with him. A good bit of his fans hate he is with Jenna and think he comesoff as a hypocrite which he does. I remember when he was saying something about women need to stop showing so much and some fans came in and said something about do u say this to all the female pros on dwts??

I think he has a strong fanbase when it comes to the middle aged and older women that are the main demos of DWTS, since those are the fans that mostly came to him for him through the show.  It's the younger fans he has a harder time keeping.  Again, because I think they often come to him through his partners and at first he charms them with how much he dotes on said partner, but they they start paying closer attention to the things he says/does and they get bored and/or angry and leave.  I can't even keep track of the stupid things he's said on social media in recent years, and it's not all of a super political variety. Some as said will just be demeaning towards women.

The shipping thing with Zendaya can play into things too, but they didn't really start growing apart until after she was an adult, so if that was going to drive a wedge I think it would have done so earlier.  People shipped him with Rumer, but not a ton.  It was very mild compared to some of his other partners.  With Normani there were some that shipped the two together.

Jenna has good reason to be insecure if you look at Val's Janel season.  Val/Jenna first got involved before S19.  I think they started their thing in S18 but mostly kept in hush hush, my guess because she was so young (maybe 19ish?) and her Mormon family.  Then they had some sort of angsty break-up which included subtweeting on social media, like normal mature adults.  Then S19 rolls around and Val takes the first opportunity to showmance it up with Janel and either Val had real feelings for her and is lying about it now to save face with Jenna or he 100% used Janel, but never bothered to tell her it was fake and so Janel caught real feelings.

Also Val got involved with Amber Rose when he was on/off with Jenna, so she's seen it happen before.  There are also a few rumors, though I'm not sure I really believe them, that Val/Rumer at the very least hooked up once.

Boyznkatz, I have heard those rumors. I think there was maybe a tabloid article or something, I'm just not sure how much I believe that one.

Edited October 19, 2018 by spanana

[vdw84]

15 minutes ago, spanana said:

I think he has a strong fanbase when it comes to the middle aged and older women that are the main demos of DWTS, since those are the fans that mostly came to him for him through the show.  It's the younger fans he has a harder time keeping.  Again, because I think they often come to him through his partners and at first he charms them with how much he dotes on said partner, but they they start paying closer attention to the things he says/does and they get bored and/or angry and leave.  I can't even keep track of the stupid things he's said on social media in recent years, and it's not all of a super political variety. Some as said will just be demeaning towards women.

The shipping thing with Zendaya can play into things too, but they didn't really start growing apart until after she was an adult, so if that was going to drive a wedge I think it would have done so earlier.  People shipped him with Rumer, but not a ton.  It was very mild compared to some of his other partners.  With Normani there were some that shipped the two together.

Jenna has good reason to be insecure if you look at Val's Janel season.  Val/Jenna first got involved before S19.  I think they started their thing in S18 but mostly kept in hush hush, my guess because she was so young (maybe 19ish?) and her Mormon family.  Then they had some sort of angsty break-up which included subtweeting on social media, like normal mature adults.  Then S19 rolls around and Val takes the first opportunity to showmance it up with Janel and either Val had real feelings for her and is lying about it now to save face with Jenna or he 100% used Janel, but never bothered to tell her it was fake and so Janel caught real feelings.

Also Val got involved with Amber Rose when he was on/off with Jenna, so she's seen it happen before.

DO u think Val really is inlove with Jenna? I mean I guess noone really can answer that question but I just do not feel the chemistry between these two. It seems like she is way more into him than he is to her. I think he cares for her and loves her as a person but I don't think he is inlove. I feel like he is settling because he is getting older and wants what his brother has which a wife and family and JJ is there and ready to give him all of it.

[fpbl83]

42 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

DO u think Val really is inlove with Jenna? I mean I guess noone really can answer that question but I just do not feel the chemistry between these two. It seems like she is way more into him than he is to her. I think he cares for her and loves her as a person but I don't think he is inlove. I feel like he is settling because he is getting older and wants what his brother has which a wife and family and JJ is there and ready to give him all of it.

She's obsessed with him, but I think he gave up and settled because he realized no other woman will have him. The man is 32 and doesn't want to end up alone. Jenna will never accept a nice Mormon boy because they'll never be Val in her eyes, so basically no one else will have either of them. 

[spanana]

I'm sure Val loves Jenna. I can't imagine he would propose to someone he doesn't love on some level and whatever it is between them, it's been going on for years and he keeps going back.  I do think she's probably more into him, and always has been, then vice versa.  While I know it was set up by TPTB, even look at a few weeks ago when the best year of Jenna's life was this year because of the proposal and Val's best year was him winning a dance competition.  For her sake, I hope this is a forever thing for her and not an until Val gets bored again type situation.  I do think he's been anxious to settle down because everyone in his circle has settled down and is either engaged, married or has kids and he was lagging behind.  I do think Jenna has a lot of insecurities, as we all do, and some of which she has admitted...so hopefully Val doesn't continue to play into those for her.

[fpbl83]

Well, Val wants kids and probably sees Jenna as a good mom. She's also the "marrying kind" - the kind you bring to meet your parents, not a side piece/fling. She worships him and i doubt Val will find another woman willing to put up with him. 

[vdw84]

9 minutes ago, fpbl83 said:

Well, Val wants kids and probably sees Jenna as a good mom. She's also the "marrying kind" - the kind you bring to meet your parents, not a side piece/fling. She worships him and i doubt Val will find another woman willing to put up with him. 

Yep, she is the safe choice. I just didnt think she was Val's type but she fits the perfect wife and mom look. She is so dependent on him, I mean I never see her do anything without Val, its kinda sickening how she has no life outside of him.

[boyznkatz]

Of course she's his type. I don't see the C-brothers bringing an outspoken woman home to their overbearing family. 

Both Val and Maks come off as sexist to some degree and I don't see them marrying a feminist like Amber Rose.

Edited October 19, 2018 by boyznkatz

[MsJamieDornan]

2 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

Of course she's his type. I don't see the C-brothers bringing an outspoken type home to their overbearing family. 

They couldn't handle that at all.

[vdw84]

3 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

Of course she's his type. I don't see the C-brothers bringing an outspoken woman home to their overbearing family. 

Both Val and Maks come off as sexist to some degree and I don't see them marrying a feminist like Amber Rose.

Now that u mentione it, I agree. What was I thinking, yes I agree. Peta and Jenna both easy to push around and surrender and with Val and Maks, that works both. Even tho Val try to pretend like he likes strong and powerful women and power mind and independence, he sure hell didnt get that with JJ.

[tedd]

In the UK, they have a better system.  The bottom two couples have to perform their routines again.  Then the judges decide which couple goes home.  It has made for a much better competition every season and as far back as I can recall, the right individual has won.

[vdw84]

1 minute ago, tedd said:

In the UK, they have a better system.  The bottom two couples have to perform their routines again.  Then the judges decide which couple goes home.  It has made for a much better competition every season and as far back as I can recall, the right individual has won.

So the UK doesnt have the voting public vote at all?

[boyznkatz]

4 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

Now that u mentione it, I agree. What was I thinking, yes I agree. Peta and Jenna both easy to push around and surrender and with Val and Maks, that works both. Even tho Val try to pretend like he likes strong and powerful women and power mind and independence, he sure hell didnt get that with JJ.

No way would Val or Maks want to be overshadowed by a powerful woman. They latch on to them for publicity, and maybe hook up with them, but they're going to marry doormats like Peta and Jenna.

Has anyone heard a peep out of Peta since she married Maks? She was actually a good choreographer and now she's disappeared into oblivion.

[vdw84]

1 minute ago, boyznkatz said:

No way would Val or Maks want to be overshadowed by a powerful woman. They latch on to them for publicity, and maybe hook up with them, but they're going to marry doormats like Peta and Jenna.

Has anyone heard a peep out of Peta since she married Maks? She was actually a good choreographer and now she's disappeared into oblivion.

I recall peta saying that she want be doing dwts anymore, go figure. I just find that weird that Peta would quit like that. I mean I guess she wants to spend time with her child but I think its more to that because lets face it, she doesnt have anything else going for her but dancing. She tried acting a bit but I dont see that going anywhere either.

4 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

No way would Val or Maks want to be overshadowed by a powerful woman. They latch on to them for publicity, and maybe hook up with them, but they're going to marry doormats like Peta and Jenna.

Has anyone heard a peep out of Peta since she married Maks? She was actually a good choreographer and now she's disappeared into oblivion.

I remember Amber Rose saying in interview that she was too much for Val, that he couldnt handle her lifestyle. Val tries to comeoff as this tough guy but he really is basic like Jenna and he knows he is. Amber Rose even talked about he didnt want to try different things in the bedroom, i mean she really exposed him, lol

[boyznkatz]

16 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

I remember Amber Rose saying in interview that she was too much for Val, that he couldnt handle her lifestyle. Val tries to comeoff as this tough guy but he really is basic like Jenna and he knows he is. Amber Rose even talked about he didnt want to try different things in the bedroom, i mean she really exposed him, lol

Well Amber is a real activist, unlike Val, who is a tool who pretends to be one. A real activist wouldn't fat shame people or post dumb memes making fun of Down Syndrome kids.

That's not to say he is a horrible person. I know he has done a lot of charity work for children. Has Jenna done any charity work at all? I've never heard of anything, but maybe she does.

Edited October 19, 2018 by boyznkatz

[vdw84]

7 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

Well Amber is a real activist, unlike Val, who is a tool who pretends to be one. A real activist wouldn't fat shame people or post dumb memes making fun of Down Syndrome kids.

Lets not forget when he tried objectify mani by wanting to call their team BootyandtheBeast and her fans went in on him. Val is a piece of work.

[spanana]

Jenna had done a few talks on body image and her insecurities and life lessons she had learned for girls in some sort of program a few years ago, but her whole blogging and being real phase seemed to end when she got back together with Val this last time.  Her website lasted a hot minute.  That is the only public thing I've seen.

As for Val, I agree that I don't think he could be with a woman who outshines him or has her own stuff going on.  He wants somebody that is going to put the fam first 100% and take part in all of their endeavors and talk him up and etc.  I agree with the theory that he talks a good game about what he likes in women, but I don't think he can handle anyone super strong willed and doing their own thing on a permanent basis.  Which in addition to Amber is also what Normani and Zendaya are.  I think he is attracted on some level to women like that, but it's not a sustainable thing for his own life long term.

[PTVjones]

I went to the Confidential tour that Maks and Val did, a friend of mine ended up having a last minute ticket and she and I have both had been watching DWTS since the 1st season. Besides it not being confidential at all, as everything they talked about was basic knowledge if you've been following their career (like NOT talking about how Maks's relationship with Peta overlapping with his relationship with Karina, even though their relationship was the main theme of the show), and Val not mentioning Jenna AT ALL and talking about being a struggling misunderstood artist. 

One thing I do remember from the tour was that Val was getting heat from Val and Jenna fans from appearing to be "too close" to one of the tour dancers named Taylor Banks. I'm not sure if she's super trained in ballroom, or she's one of those super cross-trained dancers, but I've seen her in music videos and tours for Chris Brown, Ciara, etc. She's definitely one of the dancers that Val danced with the most during the performance and in terms of looks, she definitely fits the bill (black, beautiful). I remember he posted an instastory with her in it saying that they were just friends and he was going to post whatever he wanted bc it's his account. I know she has a boyfriend but even Jenna fans know what Val's type is and will cape for her. 

[vdw84]

15 minutes ago, PTVjones said:

I went to the Confidential tour that Maks and Val did, a friend of mine ended up having a last minute ticket and she and I have both had been watching DWTS since the 1st season. Besides it not being confidential at all, as everything they talked about was basic knowledge if you've been following their career (like NOT talking about how Maks's relationship with Peta overlapping with his relationship with Karina, even though their relationship was the main theme of the show), and Val not mentioning Jenna AT ALL and talking about being a struggling misunderstood artist. 

One thing I do remember from the tour was that Val was getting heat from Val and Jenna fans from appearing to be "too close" to one of the tour dancers named Taylor Banks. I'm not sure if she's super trained in ballroom, or she's one of those super cross-trained dancers, but I've seen her in music videos and tours for Chris Brown, Ciara, etc. She's definitely one of the dancers that Val danced with the most during the performance and in terms of looks, she definitely fits the bill (black, beautiful). I remember he posted an instastory with her in it saying that they were just friends and he was going to post whatever he wanted bc it's his account. I know she has a boyfriend but even Jenna fans know what Val's type is and will cape for her. 

Yeah, I noticed he would spend alot of time with her during the tour, she be on his instastory and stuff and I even I was like, Val what u doing??? LOL. Val like all kinda women, I mean he admitted that he has dating every color of the rainbow, so his attraction to taylor and any other woman that looks like her isnt shocking but what is shocking is that out all the kickass women he could have had no matter the race, he chose basic ass Jenna, lol.

Edited October 19, 2018 by vdw84

[Toonces464]

3 hours ago, spanana said:

Oh, and the Rumer thing is weird too. Rumer has a relationship with Peta and maybe some of the other fam.  Though less than she used to years ago.  But she almost has zero relationship with Val. 

I've never understood Rumer being one of Peta's bridesmaids. They hadn't appeared to see each other in awhile and I don't think they see much of each other now. Only thing I can think of is that Peta must've asked her back when Maks gave her the ring (a year and a half before they got married). Same with Dr. Seeds wife.

3 hours ago, vdw84 said:

I think Val realizes his popularity is falling off, as to why im sure he is hoping Dwts Jr. takesoff and continues to do well because I think his fanbase is losing interest with him. A good bit of his fans hate he is with Jenna and think he comesoff as a hypocrite which he does. I remember when he was saying something about women need to stop showing so much and some fans came in and said something about do u say this to all the female pros on dwts??

I think Val's popularity is going to be key for how well DWM Studios continues to do and how long it survives. Personally I think they expanded too fast --- they went like 5 years after CT without opening any studios and now they're opening them in all these random locations they have no connection to. I've always thought the studios started doing as well as they did because of Maks's popularity on the show, then adding Tony, then Val coming on and becoming so popular. Now Tony's gone and Maks has faded into oblivion. Once Val isn't on TV every week twice a year, how much interest will there be when there's better known Arthur Murray and Fred Astair studios in practically every city?

3 hours ago, spanana said:

I think he has a strong fanbase when it comes to the middle aged and older women that are the main demos of DWTS, since those are the fans that mostly came to him for him through the show.  I

He also came into the show already having a fan base from Maks. Other new pros have had to build their own fan bases, mainly during their time in the troupe.

2 hours ago, fpbl83 said:

She's obsessed with him, but I think he gave up and settled because he realized no other woman will have him. 

LOL this is literally word for word what I always say about Maks with regards to Peta.

 

1 hour ago, boyznkatz said:

No way would Val or Maks want to be overshadowed by a powerful woman. They latch on to them for publicity, and maybe hook up with them, but they're going to marry doormats like Peta and Jenna.

Has anyone heard a peep out of Peta since she married Maks? She was actually a good choreographer and now she's disappeared into oblivion.

Could you imagine if Maks would've gone through with marrying Karina? She would have chewed him up and spit him out before they hit their first anniversary. Not to mention she would've killed him for his co-dependence. Supposedly Peta said in an interview last week that she and Maks still love DWTS and she wants to come back eventually. I have wondered if it wasn't her choice not to be on this season. Cheryl came back for Juniors and wanted to be on this season. Giving all the girls who did it a spot left one open spot for a female which would've come down to Sharna or Peta. And right now I think Sharna is much more popular. 

50 minutes ago, PTVjones said:

I went to the Confidential tour that Maks and Val did, a friend of mine ended up having a last minute ticket and she and I have both had been watching DWTS since the 1st season. Besides it not being confidential at all, as everything they talked about was basic knowledge if you've been following their career (like NOT talking about how Maks's relationship with Peta overlapping with his relationship with Karina, even though their relationship was the main theme of the show), and Val not mentioning Jenna AT ALL and talking about being a struggling misunderstood artist. 

I could not bring myself to get tickets because I knew this tour would be a BSfest with Maks and Peta trying to sell some greatly rewritten history as the greatest love story ever told. I did see the first tour with just Maks and Val. I can't imagine how much worse the next tour is going to be when they bring Jenna into it.

[MsJamieDornan]

26 minutes ago, Toonces464 said:

Could you imagine if Maks would've gone through with marrying Karina

I never believed that was real.

[spanana]

I didn't see the Val/Maks tour, but I think they would have worked Jenna into the tour itself if they were allowed.  My understand from things said at the time is contractually TPTB at DWTS wouldn't allow her to do the tour.  Which is not uncommon.  Any of the pros who have tried to do other tours/launch other tours, I don't think they are allowed to use any other DWTS dancers without special permission.  I think Val/Maks and of course Derek when he was there, could get permission since they were seen as the big huge stars of DWTS and they had more contractual freedom.  The others less so.  I think they could get permission maybe for other pros to do one offs like that Sway show they used to do, but not any sort of tour that would be seen as a competing entity with the actual DWTS tour.  Now of course that wouldn't have stopped Val from making some part of the show about her or their love or whatever, but he wasn't allowed to physically use her in the show.

With Jenna, I always sort of wonder if Derek had been more receptive before the fam adopted her, if she would have gone that direction instead.  I know she tried out for the first Derek and Julianne tour and didn't get selected for whatever reason (whereas Brittany Cherry did and at some point Hayley), but if she had gotten that job would she have become part of the Hough clan instead?

Rumer and Peta were really close for awhile, obviously around when she did DWTS.  They hung out all the time and stayed that way for awhile etc.  I imagine Peta chose her bridesmaids during that period hence Rumer still being a bridesmaid a couple years later (or however long it was) by the time the wedding rolled around.  There was a point where Rumer hung out with the fam all the time minus Val.

[boyznkatz]

It makes you wonder if Joe is really THAT horrible and Jenna has given up, or she's just so far up Val's ass that she isn't teaching him. John Schneider isn't good, but Emma makes him respectable, at least. 

Joe is Master P level bad, and it's already week 5. Yikes!

[Toonces464]

2 hours ago, spanana said:

There was a point where Rumer hung out with the fam all the time minus Val.

I remember that. And I remember thinking at the time they all had stars named Bruce and Demi in their eyes. Remember Kirstie Alley financially backed one of Nicole's many fashion ventures at one point.

[MsJamieDornan]

1 hour ago, boyznkatz said:

Joe is Master P level bad, and it's already week 5. Yikes!

No one is as bad as Master P. It wasn't just his dancing, it was his attitude. The judges were very honest and told us he didnt practice and they were pissed. He also refused to wear dance shoes.  We havent heard that about Joe, so far ! So, I'm not ready to put him with Master P !

[fpbl83]

3 hours ago, spanana said:

With Jenna, I always sort of wonder if Derek had been more receptive before the fam adopted her, if she would have gone that direction instead.  I know she tried out for the first Derek and Julianne tour and didn't get selected for whatever reason (whereas Brittany Cherry did and at some point Hayley), but if she had gotten that job would she have become part of the Hough clan instead?

 

I can't really picture Jenna with Derek. He and Jules aren't Mormons anymore so i don't think he would have been inclined to go back down that road. Not only is Hayley not from Utah, but she is drop-dead gorgeous. 

[BeeBop88]

13 hours ago, spanana said:

 

Oh, and the Rumer thing is weird too. Rumer has a relationship with Peta and maybe some of the other fam.  Though less than she used to years ago.  But she almost has zero relationship with Val. 

 

I never thought that Rumer was Val's type.  But I certainly think that Rumer wanted something to happen with Val. Didn't she get a tattoo of the two of them? Talk about creepy.  I think she just recently had it removed. 

 

And I think it is so strange how Maks and Peta are chumming it up with Victoria Arlen (I had to look up her name, because I had forgotten it.) I can't help thinking that Maks and Peta must want something from her. 

Edited October 20, 2018 by BeeBop88

[vdw84]

Jenna is such a baby. I was lurking on her damn instagram and she is posting about someone left her nasty comment and going on and on about. Im like, grow up honey. Its people get worse things than that said to them everyday and they dont whine like she is. Val is in for it because the girl so damn insecure and she needs everyone's validation.

8 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

No one is as bad as Master P. It wasn't just his dancing, it was his attitude. The judges were very honest and told us he didnt practice and they were pissed. He also refused to wear dance shoes.  We havent heard that about Joe, so far ! So, I'm not ready to put him with Master P !

Yeah, master P is in a league of his own but Joe is def. running behind him in being the second worse contestant, just because he is so bad and just doesnt seem like he is enjoying himself. 

[crowceilidh]

Just bumped into this on youtube and was entirely amused.  I doubt it's for every taste  Russell Brand dissecting an extra-marital kiss between a Strictly Come Dancing Pro and her celeb partner using evolutionary psychology.  If you don't like any of those things, you probably shouldn't watch it: I was terribly amused that Russell was taking time out from saving the world in order to talk SCD. 

Strictly Curse or Animal Nature?

[doLLish]

The hypocrisy from the pros is outstanding. Everyone loves a ringer when they’re paired with them but when they’re not that’s not what the show is about it’s all about the “journey.” As of those with dance experience can’t have “journeys.”

Can anyone explain why the producers keep casting “ringers” and those with dance experience if they aren’t supposed to be there? Why keep inviting them on the show??

Unvelievable. People can wax poetic about what this show is supposed to be and what it’s not supposed to be but the dwindling and embarrassing ratings prove that whatever is going on right now, isn’t what people want. I stopped watching this show once before and this time it’s for good. The pros that left this shitshow and never looked back knew what they were doing.

Edited October 21, 2018 by doLLish

[DanceRise]

Im new this board and as lontime viewer of dwts, I have to say last mondays results show was absolutely uncalled for. Sending that beautiful young couple and must add highly talented home over disasters like Joe esp. was not right at all. I always vote for great dancers, im not the one to vote for underdogs and im not downing anyone that does but I dont even consider Joe an underdog. Underdogs are someone that are atleast showing great improvement from starting off really bad or not so good and Joe has not grown since week 1. He is still in the teens with scores and I have to blame part of on his partner. I don't  know much about JJ as dancer or choreographer because I don't really follow her but I have seen pros on this show get bad dancers like Joe and atleast try to make them look somewhat decent but she cant even do that and I dont think judges should have praised her because she is stuck with someone who cant move pretty much at all, it was uncalled for. This partnership is one of the worse I have seen in 27 seasons.

 

I was voting for TInasha and Evanna and I threw a some Milo way, these three have been my favorite from the beginning and both my kids were fans of theres as well, so we all were voting for them. Tinashe is beautiful, she is striking, seems like really good person that truly wanted to be there and continue to grow as a person and show more of herself which I was looking forward to seeing and I love the love she shown toward her partner. The last contestant that showed that kinda love for their partner was Jordan to lindsay and he won and I just wish Tinashe could have had a similar story or atleast made further than she did.

[Beatrice]

I'm surprised Sharna didn't end up with anyone in the fam circle. 

[boyznkatz]

On 10/19/2018 at 4:21 PM, MsJamieDornan said:

No one is as bad as Master P. It wasn't just his dancing, it was his attitude. The judges were very honest and told us he didnt practice and they were pissed. He also refused to wear dance shoes.  We havent heard that about Joe, so far ! So, I'm not ready to put him with Master P !

To me Joe looks like he doesn't try, either. Clearly, he doesn't want to be there. If he wants to leave, then he should just leave. He didn't look like he put any effort into that hot mess he did last week, and neither did that other bachelor himbo.

I don't blame people for voting for him, but I blame him for not rewarding their votes with some effort.

[spanana]

On 10/21/2018 at 12:22 AM, doLLish said:

The hypocrisy from the pros is outstanding. Everyone loves a ringer when they’re paired with them but when they’re not that’s not what the show is about it’s all about the “journey.” As of those with dance experience can’t have “journeys.”

Can anyone explain why the producers keep casting “ringers” and those with dance experience if they aren’t supposed to be there? Why keep inviting them on the show??

 

I also don't understand the revisionist history both by fans and pros alike that this show used to be about the celebs with next to no experience and insinuating as if this ringer stuff is new.  We had Trista Sutter in the first season who had danced professionally for one of the football teams I think. It didn't help her much on the show, but she had experience.  Then move to S2 where Stacey Kiebler got a lot of ringer grief.  Drew Lachey got a tiny bit of it too just by virtue of being a performer even though 98 Degrees was not a dancing boyband by any stretch of the imagination.  Stacey got way more though.  Then S3 was entirely an Emmitt Smith versus Mario Lopez showdown, which was ringery ringer versus a somewhat naturally talented guy with rhythm and no dance experience.  S3 was full of fan drama in terms of Emmitt versus Mario and whether it was "fair" for Mario to be there and/or whether or not he was robbed.  Though half of our current pros (I'm talking to you Jenna) were too young to even know what happened on the show in the early days, so they are mostly speaking out of their asses when they refer to the good ole days.

Edited October 22, 2018 by spanana

[vdw84]

1 hour ago, boyznkatz said:

To me Joe looks like he doesn't try, either. Clearly, he doesn't want to be there. If he wants to leave, then he should just leave. He didn't look like he put any effort into that hot mess he did last week, and neither did that other bachelor himbo.

I don't blame people for voting for him, but I blame him for not rewarding their votes with some effort.

Im sure Joe will have a redemption tonight, they judges will praise him to the high heavens because of all the attack Jenna and him been getting and im sure they want even have an elimination tonight and everyone is sage which will make me even more furious with the show. I want be watching anyway, may catch some dances on youtube and comment on here about what I saw but thats it. 

People think it was just Tinashe fans attacking jenna and joe but it wasnt. These were actually the GP attacking them alot more. Even ones that didnt vote for Tinashe and Brandon and had other favs were disgusted and wished they did vote for her. Joes dancing and not getting eliminated, I think woke alot people up that something needs to be changed and more respect needs to be given to great dancers on this show.

[spanana]

I'll also add that Jenna brought a good deal of the attack on herself.  Not the stuff that is personal about her looks or her relationship with Val and other such associated things, which was the hate post that she highlighted on instagram.  Of course she chose to post something about her looks and her weight, which I agree was totally out of line, but I also bet I can find similar such comments in all of the comments sections for our various pros,  or anybody famous for that matter.  Instagram in general it's fairly known not to read the comments because it's where stupidity presides...also a lot of kids who don't yet understand the power of words or consequences who love to write hateful things.  But her post had its desired effect since it gave her lots of validation both from fellow pros/celebs and random strangers.  Also if your comments bother you that much, turn them off.  Lots of celebs turn off their insta comments for that reason.

But most of the so-called hate I saw for her on twitter was directed at her own stupid post.  Had she not instigated with her "it's not SYTYCD" comment, which was a backhanded slight at Tinashe and every other person with some experience that came before her, she would not have riled up the fanbases of Tinashe, Normani and etc.  Had she stayed minding her business or just posted a general support of Joe post without the rest of the slights, she would have been fine.  The issue is I find much of the fam, or most of the pros in general, have this interpret any/all criticism given as bullying and hate.  There is a big difference between somebody sending Jenna a hate post about her body and a fan calling out the hypocrisy of her comments.  It's a false equivalence to pretend these are the same things, but I'm pretty sure she, and many other pros, think they are.

I'd also add that before all this I actually think she was getting minimal hate from some Joe fans who were upset that he wasn't doing better and blaming Jenna for it.  So there is that too.

Edited October 22, 2018 by spanana

[boyznkatz]

If Joe/Jenna are getting called out for sucking on instgram, I agree it has nothing to do with Tinashe and her fans. They suck all by themselves. That dance last week was easily the worst I've ever seen on this show on Week 4, and I don't think the judges ever gave anyone 5s this late in the game.

[BrainyBlonde]

I am SO mad! Just found out that an Atlanta Falcons game is pre-empting DWTS in my area tonight, so I'll have to record the show when they air it at 2:30AM this morning and I won't get to watch it until tomorrow night. I had really been looking forward to watching Disney Night after a long day of work. This is so aggravating, and it seems to be happening every season here in Atlanta when it didn't used to! I don't know how I'm going to avoid finding out who's eliminated tonight since I'm on the Internet for work all day. Grrrrrr. <shakes fist at football>

[vdw84]

My biggest issue with Jenna as so many has stated, she likes to play victim and needs validation. She is still so insecure, it aint even funny. Val is going have time with her because she needs protecting at all cost. She is not strong woman at all. She is very weak. The only thing Jenna is strong at is her dancing but everything else just screams insecurities and weakness. I agree that its people get hateful things said to them every day, way worse than what was said to JJ. I thought it was funny out of all the hateful comments said about her looks and whatnot, she picked up the comment about Val wouldnt be marrying her if she was fat. I truly feel like the reason JJ is losing so much damn weight is because she is very insecure about losing Val. This is the thinnest I have ever seen her and she doesnt look good at all. Its aging her, she does look older than 24. She can easily pass for someone in their 30s to mids 30s, not trying to be mean but just being real, she us looks unhealthy.

21 hours ago, Beatrice said:

I'm surprised Sharna didn't end up with anyone in the fam circle. 

Sharna is too independent and seems to strongminded, even tho she can comeoff problematic and ignorant sometimes, she just doesnt fit the mold the C fam looks for. Sharna even admitted that her independence may be why she  isnt married right now. Sharna would not be obsessing and surrendering to the C fam like Peta and Jenna are.

[boyznkatz]

I don't really care about Jenna one way or the other, but I don't think there is much she can do with someone who clearly wants to go home. His fans should really put him out of his misery.

Even Bristol Palin and David Ross improved somewhat and got 7s eventually, but he doesn't look like he cares to improve.

[vdw84]

1 hour ago, boyznkatz said:

I don't really care about Jenna one way or the other, but I don't think there is much she can do with someone who clearly wants to go home. His fans should really put him out of his misery.

Even Bristol Palin and David Ross improved somewhat and got 7s eventually, but he doesn't look like he cares to improve.

As much as I couldnt stand Bristal Palin both her seasons, I can honestly say even she dont deserve a place in being Joe bad. Joe is horrible and I do believe it has alot to do with he is ready to go and this whole experience is uncomfortable for him. He just always looks awkward on the dancefloor.

[calipiano81]

2 hours ago, BrainyBlonde said:

I am SO mad! Just found out that an Atlanta Falcons game is pre-empting DWTS in my area tonight, so I'll have to record the show when they air it at 2:30AM this morning and I won't get to watch it until tomorrow night. I had really been looking forward to watching Disney Night after a long day of work. This is so aggravating, and it seems to be happening every season here in Atlanta when it didn't used to! I don't know how I'm going to avoid finding out who's eliminated tonight since I'm on the Internet for work all day. Grrrrrr. <shakes fist at football>

I just sent you a private message about an alternative way to watch DWTS at it's usual time.

[Toonces464]

3 hours ago, spanana said:

The issue is I find much of the fam, or most of the pros in general, have this interpret any/all criticism given as bullying and hate. 

That and the fact that they themselves are guilty of bullying and hate on social media. Remember how awful Alex, Eugene, Dennis DeSantis and the crew used to be whenever Maks, and then Val, didn't win?

[boyznkatz]

Pure posted the dance order. Most of the good folks are going in hour one...Alexis, JP, Demarcus, Evanna. Then the dead weight in hour 2...Joe, Mary Lou, John, and Bobby, with Milo going last. I guess I'm watching hour one and checking out Milo on You Tube. Sorry Dude, but it's not worth sitting through Joe and Bobby. 

Why the hell does Booby always go last or next to last? And why are TPTB pimping him?

Edited October 22, 2018 by boyznkatz

[vdw84]

2 minutes ago, boyznkatz said:

Pure posted the dance order. Most of the good folks are going in hour one...Alexis, JP, Demarcus, Evanna. Then the dead weight in hour 2...Joe, Mary Lou, John, and Bobby, with Milo going last. I guess I'm watching hour one and checking out Milo on You Tube. Sorry Dude, but it's not worth sitting through Joe and Bobby. 

Why the hell does Booby always go last? And why are TPTB pimping him?

Im still hurt as hell that tinashe and brandon could have done Princess and the Frog. I guess it will never get represented on dwts.

[boyznkatz]

1 minute ago, vdw84 said:

Im still hurt as hell that tinashe and brandon could have done Princess and the Frog. I guess it will never get represented on dwts.

They might do it in the finale. We can always hope.

[madpsych78]

7 hours ago, boyznkatz said:

I don't really care about Jenna one way or the other, but I don't think there is much she can do with someone who clearly wants to go home. His fans should really put him out of his misery.

Even Bristol Palin and David Ross improved somewhat and got 7s eventually, but he doesn't look like he cares to improve.

Bristol is better than Joe. Her biggest problem IMO (besides her attitude) was that she didn't finish her lines. She had some moments in each routine which were decent. She should have been middle of the pack in her season rather than finals, but not at the bottom either. 

[vdw84]

How convenient for them to have no elimination this week. I wish they could have no elimination last week but o well.

[Mu Shu]

7 hours ago, vdw84 said:

As much as I couldnt stand Bristal Palin both her seasons, I can honestly say even she dont deserve a place in being Joe bad. Joe is horrible and I do believe it has alot to do with he is ready to go and this whole experience is uncomfortable for him. He just always looks awkward on the dancefloor.

Lol!  Joe bad.  It’s a new low bar.  “Well, that corpse they dug up and assigned the quickstep to is bad, but he’s not Joe bad.”  “ My hemmerhoids are really bothering me, but they’re not Joe bad”. 

[vdw84]

4 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Lol!  Joe bad.  It’s a new low bar.  “Well, that corpse they dug up and assigned the quickstep to is bad, but he’s not Joe bad.”  “ My hemmerhoids are really bothering me, but they’re not Joe bad”. 

LOL, its so true. Joe is so bad and he needs to go home asap but I bet he want go anywhere anytime soon.