General Gabbery: DWTS

[crossover]

A "true" DWTS viewer won't like this episode.  There are almost as many contemporary/jazz routines as there are ballroom (4 vs 5).  And, there are no repeat ballroom styles to compare.

[Beatrice]

7 hours ago, crossover said:

A "true" DWTS viewer won't like this episode.  There are almost as many contemporary/jazz routines as there are ballroom (4 vs 5).  And, there are no repeat ballroom styles to compare.

I hate contemporary on this show so much. I also think it's a little questionable that some couples get live music and others don't.

[realdancemom]

They have Normani and Simone as top contenders and no Princess Tiana.  That's a fail!!  I see that it's most likely because of their guest singers.

[happyfeet]

This is bad for me. The only song I recognize from that list is the one from Pinocchio.

[Sstt]

the fact they gave a professional jazz dancer (heather)..jazz, what are the producers doing

[RedFiat]

I hate how the show keeps stunt casting just for ratings. It is obvious to me that Nancy was cast for a certain demographic and then the show does not give her the scores she deserves so that people wonder if she is really as good as she appears.  Now they give her Jazz, and of course the professional Jazz dancer is going to blow her away.   This will make those who might have liked Nancy comfortable enough not to bother to vote for her.  Then the show thinks they are going to keep the demographic that tuned in to watch Nancy.  I for one am not falling for it. When she goes, I go.  I will catch Rashad on youtube. This woman has had enough hard knocks in life, including being assaulted and robbed of her Olympic gold  to now get humiliated by a cheezy dance show because they want younger people to watch is just stupid.. 

[Sstt]

16 minutes ago, RedFiat said:

I hate how the show keeps stunt casting just for ratings. It is obvious to me that Nancy was cast for a certain demographic and then the show does not give her the scores she deserves so that people wonder if she is really as good as she appears.  Now they give her Jazz, and of course the professional Jazz dancer is going to blow her away.   This will make those who might have liked Nancy comfortable enough not to bother to vote for her.  Then the show thinks they are going to keep the demographic that tuned in to watch Nancy.  I for one am not falling for it. When she goes, I go.  I will catch Rashad on youtube. This woman has had enough hard knocks in life, including being assaulted and robbed of her Olympic gold  to now get humiliated by a cheezy dance show because they want younger people to watch is just stupid.. 

The thing is the show has always been like this , u know who's winning from the beginning.a lot of people might not realize it Cus they routing for their fav but it's very obvious who the producers want to win . This season rashad is the winner !

[calipiano81]

3 hours ago, Sstt said:

The thing is the show has always been like this , u know who's winning from the beginning.a lot of people might not realize it Cus they routing for their fav but it's very obvious who the producers want to win . This season rashad is the winner !

I don't agree that it has always been that way. Prior to Season 18, there were many instances where the winner wasn't obvious from the first week: Kellie Pickler, Melissa Rycroft, Donald Driver, Shawn Johnson, Apolo Ohno, even all the way back to Season 1's Kelly Monaco.

Producer manipulation (e.g. in running order, dance assignments, video package edits) only started to become really obvious within the past few years. Also, the introduction of jazz/contemporary and the increased use of production and troupe every week has lessened the impact of the freestyle round, which used to be much more of a game-changer.

Edited April 14, 2017 by calipiano81

[Sstt]

4 minutes ago, calipiano81 said:

I don't agree that it has always been that way. Prior to Season 18, there were many instances where the winner wasn't obvious from the first week: Kellie Pickler, Melissa Rycroft, Donald Driver, Shawn Johnson, Apolo Ohno, even all the way back to Season 1's Kelly Monaco.

Producer manipulation (e.g. in running order, dance assignments, video package edits) only started to become really obvious within the past few years. Also, the introduction of jazz/contemporary and the increased use of production and troupe every week has lessened the impact of the freestyle round, which used to be much more of a game-changer.

I agree with u that it may have started recently but I feel like it been happening for a while before season 18 and we didn't know . 

Also the showmanship..is getting more obvious now a.I feel sorry for my girl sharna 

[Toonces464]

1 hour ago, calipiano81 said:

I don't agree that it has always been that way. Prior to Season 18, there were many instances where the winner wasn't obvious from the first week: Kellie Pickler, Melissa Rycroft, Donald Driver, Shawn Johnson, Apolo Ohno, even all the way back to Season 1's Kelly Monaco.

Producer manipulation (e.g. in running order, dance assignments, video package edits) only started to become really obvious within the past few years. Also, the introduction of jazz/contemporary and the increased use of production and troupe every week has lessened the impact of the freestyle round, which used to be much more of a game-changer.

I think it all started to change during Season 12 when they brought in the troupe.

[Mittengirl]

Damn, I must be getting old - the only Disney song I recognize is Nick & Peta's from Pinocchio.

[PBGamer89]

To me what ruined freestyle was the addition of Jazz and Contemporary. The troupe doesn't bother me too much, even enhancing some dances at times.

If they insist, I would keep Contemporary as it's style is more defined and recognizable. Jazz on this show just often comes off as a pre-freestyle "freestyle".

[RedFiat]

4 hours ago, McManda said:

Let's not forget, Emmitt Smith did the show 10 years ago when it was relatively new and novel. Shows tend to decline with age. Not to mention, network tv as a whole is on the decline. (For reference, NCIS was the most watched show the week of April 3rd. It got 13.8 million viewers, according to Nielsen.)

There's more to it than just Heather or the show losing edge.

 

The edge is lost because Emmitt Smith is a legend in football, and the next time they got huge ratings was when Hines Ward was on in Season 12, 6 years later, again because of the legendary status of these players. I am shocked David isn't bringing in more numbers, but maybe if they had a more high profile baseball player you'd get better ratings.  BTW no Derek  season 12, and the ringer had to get a huge numbers boost in order to stay in the hunt.   Ward's season almost 23 million and that was up against the first season of the Voice.   They had some of the highest numbers ever because of Steelers Nation and the fact that Hines brought the legends of the game into the ballroom. The footballers they get now just don't have the same cache because they aren't near hall of fame status yet. 

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Edited April 15, 2017 by RedFiat

[truthaboutluv]

32 minutes ago, RedFiat said:

The edge is lost because Emmitt Smith is a legend in football, and the next time they got huge ratings was when Hines Ward was on in Season 12, 6 years later, again because of the legendary status of these players.

First, the finale for Season 3 had approximately 27 million viewers, not 30. Also there were many seasons well after that averaging 19 million viewers. and the show is right now still averaging 10 million. There is not a show on television that maintains it's exact ratings, unless it decides to end at the top of its game. I am amused at all this talk of this huge ratings in Season 3, when Survivor had 53 million people watch its first season finale.

Their current ratings, between 9 and 10 million and its still one of the top shows on CBS. American Idol also drew in 50+ million viewers in its first two seasons and it went off the air because the ratings died. DWTS ratings has diddly to do with legendary athletes and everything to do with it's been on the air for 13 years.

[TeeMo]

I do think that this show has lost some of its pop culture relevance as most shows do after a frillion seasons of the same exact format BUT direct ratings comparisons to previous seasons are pretty useless because TV ratings are down across the board. People just don't watch TV the way they did during Emmett's season.

http://adage.com/article/media/ratings/303574/

If I am not mistaken DWTS had it's biggest ratings ever in Season 12, a giant ratings dip during the All Star season (Season 15) but has held fairly steady since with smaller declines every season since (just like virtually every other show on TV). They did get a little bounce in Season 18 but all the seasons after that have been fairly similar ratings wise with smaller ups and downs week to week. Nyle's finale was the least watched ever but they bounced back a tiny bit last season (ratings were still low for a DWTS finale but generally decent for a TV show that has been on for more than 10 years).

[RedFiat]

56 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

First, the finale for Season 3 had approximately 27 million viewers,

Oh, my bad 27.8 million. Closer to 30 than 10. 

54 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

If I am not mistaken DWTS had it's biggest ratings ever in Season 12,

Actually season 3 was a  higher finale, but Hines Ward's season was huge overall.  

54 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

People just don't watch TV the way they did during Emmett's season.

And yet they watched more during Season 12 .  If you get A listers, and Emmitt and Hines are A listers in the Football business then you get high ratings.  If this show really brought in A listers not retirees or also rans then the show would be much bigger than it is. With retired folk,  d listers and back up dancers it is what it is. 

Edited April 15, 2017 by RedFiat

[crowceilidh]

I don't usually have much patience for Pure, but they have a very interesting analysis of the amount of on-camera time each celeb is getting.  Worth a gander and kinda surprised no one's been tracking it before (not that I had ever thought of it).  For example, the two extremes: Normani had 438 seconds on camera time and Simone had 320.  That's a pretty large difference.  Worth a look-see, I think.

[katha]

3 hours ago, crowceilidh said:

I don't usually have much patience for Pure, but they have a very interesting analysis of the amount of on-camera time each celeb is getting.  Worth a gander and kinda surprised no one's been tracking it before (not that I had ever thought of it).  For example, the two extremes: Normani had 438 seconds on camera time and Simone had 320.  That's a pretty large difference.  Worth a look-see, I think.

OTOH, it's only a part of the equation, of course. I'd argue, for example, that the way the show is focusing so strongly on travelling and 5H for Normani puts her at a disadvantage, because it doesn't let the general audience get to know her very well outside of that. Her regular fans are into it, she might come across as closed off and distant and generic to the regular DWTS viewer. Or, Nancy is getting buried by dance order and she's flying under the radar, but the way she's being presented is very positive: It's totally removed from the "ice princess" narrative that's been following her around for decades, they gave her the perfect partner in Artem, all her packages have been friendly, the judges have been encouraging and constructive, no one is playing mind games with her. She's not winning, but the show is constructing a positive story for her. Sometimes when the show wants to create "drama" OTOH there's a lot of focus on a certain contestant, but not really in a positive way.

[boyznkatz]

They probably aren't pimping Simone because she's the one person who doesn't need it. She's bigger than Laurie, and Laurie won easily. They are pimping the others to make it look like they have any chance against Simone, the same way they pimped James Hinchcliffe to make it look like he had a chance against Laurie. I could be wrong, of course, but I don't see Simone losing unless TPTB seriously manipulates the outcome.

[Beatrice]

1 hour ago, boyznkatz said:

They probably aren't pimping Simone because she's the one person who doesn't need it. She's bigger than Laurie, and Laurie won easily. They are pimping the others to make it look like they have any chance against Simone, the same way they pimped James Hinchcliffe to make it look like he had a chance against Laurie. I could be wrong, of course, but I don't see Simone losing unless TPTB seriously manipulates the outcome.

I feel like Simone and Rashad are being pimped to the max. I think because Normani is so far and away ahead in the votes. She's on the way to an easy win in my opinion.

[vdw84]

On 4/14/2017 at 10:13 AM, realdancemom said:

They have Normani and Simone as top contenders and no Princess Tiana.  That's a fail!!  I see that it's most likely because of their guest singers.

I can see your point. I noticed alot of people wanted Normani to do Princess Tiana but I like they gave her princess that is different from her physical appearance. I think she is going to Kill it as Mulan though.

Puredwts is so bias when it comes to the C bros and their celeb partners. Of course they will mention something about Normani having more camera time, really. I mean really, the girl is not being pimped because I don't believe she needs it. I mean she has gone first twice the past 4 weeks but they think she is being favorite over the others.

[boyznkatz]

27 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

I can see your point. I noticed alot of people wanted Normani to do Princess Tiana but I like they gave her princess that is different from her physical appearance. I think she is going to Kill it as Mulan though.

Puredwts is so bias when it comes to the C bros and their celeb partners. Of course they will mention something about Normani having more camera time, really. I mean really, the girl is not being pimped because I don't believe she needs it. I mean she has gone first twice the past 4 weeks but they think she is being favorite over the others.

Of course they neglected to whine about their fave David getting so much air time. They just pick on anyone they don't like.

[boyznkatz]

46 minutes ago, Beatrice said:

I feel like Simone and Rashad are being pimped to the max. I think because Normani is so far and away ahead in the votes. She's on the way to an easy win in my opinion.

I could see Normani winning as well. She and Val have a lot of fans. Simone and Rashad don't have pros that are well known. 

I'd be okay with anyone of them winning. I just hope an awful dancer like David doesn't win.

[realdancemom]

34 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

I can see your point. I noticed alot of people wanted Normani to do Princess Tiana but I like they gave her princess that is different from her physical appearance. I think she is going to Kill it as Mulan though.

 

I think Normani will kill it as Mulan too.   I do hope that Val starts putting more proper ballroom content in the dances.  I agree with Len on that but I figured it was because she was on tour.  Her tour has now ended so she should kill it.  Normani is such a dynamic performer and now, she needs to show more ballroom technique.

[crowceilidh]

Just to point out that I just chose the top and bottom of the camera time for demonstration purposes - everybody else's camera time is interesting too.  And they intend to keep tracking it, which I think will become more and more interesting as we progress (as I said, I have trouble believing that it took anybody so long to think of this).  I am well aware of their biases, but this can be looked at as primarily factual.  The amount of camera time the celebs get is factual - what it means is much less so.

Edited April 17, 2017 by crowceilidh

[vibeology]

Do they say what they are counting as camera time? Does being off to the side while someone else is interviewed count? Not that it really matters since as long as they are being consistent how they are counting camera time from couple to couple it's fair. The only way I can see that mattering is if one couple ends up in the skybox less because of things like all-access interviews (are they still doing that?) that are part of the show but aren't necessarily getting them camera time during the main show.

Since it's never been tracked before, I'm interested in seeing how the camera time pans out compared to the results. It might matter and it's also possible that the several minutes total over the course of a season really don't change the results. (We'll see how big the gaps end up being, but just based on how the show is run, I would be surprised once we are looking at the finalists if the gap from most to least is more than five minutes.) I think it would actually take a few seasons of this before we could really be sure, but it's an interesting idea and worth keeping an eye on for sure.

[RedFiat]

1 hour ago, realdancemom said:

I think Normani will kill it as Mulan too.   I do hope that Val starts putting more proper ballroom content in the dances.  I agree with Len on that but I figured it was because she was on tour.  Her tour has now ended so she should kill it.  Normani is such a dynamic performer and now, she needs to show more ballroom technique.

 Normani should not have got any higher than 7 for the last couple of dances without content. Making excuses is ridiculous, either do the show or don't The fact that she did  get better scores than what she deserved is the show pimping this shit and it's offensive to the others. 

Edited April 17, 2017 by RedFiat

[boyznkatz]

Is anyone else as sick of Disney Night as I am? It was fun the first time, but now it is so old. Blech!

[vibeology]

59 minutes ago, RedFiat said:

 Normani should not have got any higher than 7 for the last couple of dances without content. Making excuses is ridiculous, either do the show or don't The fact that she did  get better scores than what she deserved is the show pimping this shit and it's offensive to the others. 

Her dances have been entertaining and she has sold them in terms of performance. She is very present in every performance and is really able to connect with the camera and the audience in the ballroom. That stuff matters too. That's as much a part of a dance as the steps are and no one in the competition has been better than Normani so far at the performance part of each number. She's getting those scores because the dances have been entertaining and while lighter in content that she is capable of, not lacking completely in content either. I don't know who would be offended. The scores actually matter very little. It's only a small part of who goes home and it's not like they're cumulative. No one who has gone home so far did so because Normani got a couple of extra points. The only place these early scores matter is in deciding who captains the team dances and that's not a huge advantage since we know the pros pick more based on what other pros they normally work with anyhow.

[vdw84]

How many times have Derek lacked content in his dances and got scored high. Hell, normani and val quickstep had hell of alot of content in it and got underscored. I just think they are being hard on her because they know she is good. I think their dance routines have been some of the most entertaining this season. Im going to be honest, if it wasnt for normani dancing on the show I would probably fall asleep, she just brings it in the performance more than the others and I never really knew her that much until the show. I was aware of 5th harmony but didnt follow them or anything but I think she is so dope and sultry to be just 20 years old.

[RedFiat]

Either judges judge what's not there or they don't. This pimping of this kid makes me wonder if her fans are  voting. Because  why give her a by ? If she's so loved by the fans she should be able to take the proper score, after all it's not cumulative! . The bullshit about that being anywhere near a 9 when there is no content.is laughable, none of her  followers have a clue what a rumba is and that score didn't advance dance at all. 

 

Carrie Ann continues the bs by telling people why she deducted for a lift and gives her an 8. So that was a 9 without the lift? GTFO. 

It's bullshit, nobody else ever got these softballs. 

4 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

How many times have Derek lacked content in his dances and got scored high. Hell, normani and val quickstep had hell of alot of content in it and got underscored. I just think they are being hard on her because they know she is good. I think their dance routines have been some of the most entertaining this season. Im going to be honest, if it wasnt for normani dancing on the show I would probably fall asleep, she just brings it in the performance more than the others and I never really knew her that much until the show. I was aware of 5th harmony but didnt follow them or anything but I think she is so dope and sultry to be just 20 years old.

To be honest, I just see a girl with a big ass not tucked in properly since the Quickstep. 

[Lady Calypso]

4 minutes ago, RedFiat said:

Either judges judge what's not there or they don't. This pimping of this kid makes me wonder if her fans are  voting. Because  why give her a by ? If she's so loved by the fans she should be able to take the proper score, after all it's not cumulative! . The bullshit about that being anywhere near a 9 when there is no content.is laughable, none of her  followers have a clue what a rumba is and that score didn't advance dance at all. 

I agree that Normani's dance last Monday needed to be knocked down a couple of points, but she's actually good at what she's been given so far. She certainly has the ability to deliver each dance if given more content. I do agree that Val could be giving more content than what she's gotten so far. However, she is still miles ahead of the worst dancers this season (David, Bonner, Erika, Nick) and I do think the show IS presenting her as the frontrunner. She really is good, though. I prefer Nancy, personally, but it's unclear if she'll even get to the semi finals, let alone the finals. That does make me sad.

If anyone was overscored last Monday, it was David, and he probably will continue to be overscored, which will probably cause Nancy and/or Heather to be eliminated before him. This show, from what I've seen, is 50% popularity contest and 50% actual dancing content. No, the worst dancer probably won't win, but they could easily get farther if they have a big enough fanbase to scrape them by over better dancers. 

[boyznkatz]

David got mainly 8's though, so why would Normani get a 7? Like other people said, she is entertaining. Maybe her steps aren't perfect, but she is still good. Most of the audience aren't dancers and would never notice if the steps weren't perfect.

[RedFiat]

9 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I agree that Normani's dance last Monday needed to be knocked down a couple of points, but she's actually good at what she's been given so far. She certainly has the ability to deliver each dance if given more content. I do agree that Val could be giving more content than what she's gotten so far. However, she is still miles ahead of the worst dancers this season (David, Bonner, Erika, Nick) and I do think the show IS presenting her as the frontrunner. She really is good, though. I prefer Nancy, personally, but it's unclear if she'll even get to the semi finals, let alone the finals. That does make me sad.

If anyone was overscored last Monday, it was David, and he probably will continue to be overscored, which will probably cause Nancy and/or Heather to be eliminated before him. This show, from what I've seen, is 50% popularity contest and 50% actual dancing content. No, the worst dancer probably won't win, but they could easily get farther if they have a big enough fanbase to scrape them by over better dancers. 

No question David is over scored and will knock out better ones. But at least he made an attempt at Viennese Waltz, I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Normanis "dance" was

1 minute ago, boyznkatz said:

David got mainly 8's though, so why would Normani get a 7? Like other people said, she is entertaining. Maybe her steps aren't perfect, but she is still good. Most of the audience aren't dancers and would never notice if the steps weren't perfect.

Wtf, that's why there are judges, and they are supposed to judge. 

[Lady Calypso]

2 minutes ago, RedFiat said:

No question David is over scored and will knock out better ones. But at least he made an attempt at Viennese Waltz, I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Normanis "dance" was

I can't comment on what a rumba dance consists of correctly, because this is my first full viewing of the show and I'm still learning. But I think the blame of the dance falls on Val, not Normani. She could probably do a rumba if Val gave her the choreography. It's not her fault if the dance didn't have any rumba in it. She can only do what she's given, and she certainly tried her hardest and the choreography she got. Much like David did what he could with his choreography, but he wasn't really given any choreography at all so that's mostly on Lindsay. 

[vdw84]

5 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I can't comment on what a rumba dance consists of correctly, because this is my first full viewing of the show and I'm still learning. But I think the blame of the dance falls on Val, not Normani. She could probably do a rumba if Val gave her the choreography. It's not her fault if the dance didn't have any rumba in it. She can only do what she's given, and she certainly tried her hardest and the choreography she got. Much like David did what he could with his choreography, but he wasn't really given any choreography at all so that's mostly on Lindsay. 

I think Val wanted the rumba to tell a story about empowerment more so that what normally a rumba is suppose to express because her story was about empowerment like Carrieanne said. If indeed she makes it to the finals which Im pretty sure she will , the rumba needs to be their redo dance because I know she would kill it with the right amount of content.

[realdancemom]

25 minutes ago, RedFiat said:

No it's called for, Nyle and now David got called for sticking their ass out, she hasn't. It makes for a very poor line of dance, especially in the ballroom dances 

 

52 minutes ago, RedFiat said:

To be honest, I just see a girl with a big ass not tucked in properly since the Quickstep. 

As others pointed out, you can say that she needs to tuck her butt without saying that she has a big one.  Personally, I think Normani has an awesome figure and is gorgeous.

The quickstep was one of the dances that I did think she was underscored in comparison to others.  It did take a long time to get in hold but at least, I could tell that she was doing a quickstep afterwards.  I would have docked points for taking a long time to get in hold.  So in that case, you could argue that her scores were fair until you saw the other contestants' scores.

The dances that I thought needed more ballroom content was her foxtrot and rumba.  I'm hoping that Val will add more content now that her tour is over.  I don't think she's overscored in comparison to others because I do think she's the best performer overall.  Rashad had the best performance last week but through the whole season, I think it's Normani. 

[Beatrice]

2 minutes ago, realdancemom said:

 

As others pointed out, you can say that she needs to tuck her butt without saying that she has a big one.  Personally, I think Normani has an awesome figure and is gorgeous.

The quickstep was one of the dances that I did think she was underscored in comparison to others.  It did take a long time to get in hold but at least, I could tell that she was doing a quickstep afterwards.  I would have docked points for taking a long time to get in hold.  So in that case, you could argue that her scores were fair until you saw the other contestants' scores.

The dances that I thought needed more ballroom content was her foxtrot and rumba.  I'm hoping that Val will add more content now that her tour is over.  I don't think she's overscored in comparison to others because I do think she's the best performer overall.  Rashad had the best performance last week but through the whole season, I think it's Normani. 

Only if dance is not counted as part of the performance. It wasn't a dance, it was just lifts. If anyone is being pimped it's him.

Regardless of pimping and scores, that are never fair, I think we all know who the top three according to the show will be.

[realdancemom]

Just now, Beatrice said:

Only if dance is not counted as part of the performance. It wasn't a dance, it was just lifts. If anyone is being pimped it's him.

Regardless of pimping and scores, that are never fair, I think we all know who the top three according to the show will be.

Oh, I was talking about Rashad being the best performer last week since he poured his heart into that dance.  If you read the whole paragraph, I was talking about Normani being the best performer through the whole season IMHO even though Rashad was the best performer last week.   

[Beatrice]

Just now, realdancemom said:

Oh, I was talking about Rashad being the best performer last week since he poured his heart into that dance.  If you read the whole paragraph, I was talking about Normani being the best performer through the whole season IMHO even though Rashad was the best performer last week.   

I just wasn't clear what you meant by performer. If it's doesn't include that actual dance then I could see how some might think Rashad was the best last week. I would argue Simone or Nancy but he obviously had an emotional dance. Simone and Nancy brought emotion and actual dancing though. imo

[boyznkatz]

Rashad had contemporary, which is basically a crying crapfest for Carrie Anne. Those are never judged on technique.

I think the judges do what the show tells them to do, with Len occasionally doing his own thing. It's very strange they all give the exact same score for every dance.  If the scoring was "fair" then Bonner would be getting 4's and 5's. That isn't going to happen.

[Sstt]

On 4/16/2017 at 9:13 AM, crowceilidh said:

I don't usually have much patience for Pure, but they have a very interesting analysis of the amount of on-camera time each celeb is getting.  Worth a gander and kinda surprised no one's been tracking it before (not that I had ever thought of it).  For example, the two extremes: Normani had 438 seconds on camera time and Simone had 320.  That's a pretty large difference.  Worth a look-see, I think.

I feel like they should have put promo in social media by the main account . Commercials and promo are more swaying than on camera time and they only for week 4 which had fifth harmony,

For someone who is supposedly being pushed (normani) , I hardly see her in promo , snapchats or insta .I understood because she was on tour but now that she's off she's hardly on there compared to rashad and Simone . 

[realdancemom]

10 minutes ago, Beatrice said:

I just wasn't clear what you meant by performer. If it's doesn't include that actual dance then I could see how some might think Rashad was the best last week. I would argue Simone or Nancy but he obviously had an emotional dance. Simone and Nancy brought emotion and actual dancing though. imo

I was moved by Simone's dance too.  Nancy had a happier dance so it's difficult to compare.

I also want to say something about Rashad having just lifts.  I've seen a lot of lifts gone badly in dances especially during transitions.  Rashad and Emma moved beautifully in and out of theirs.  They didn't lose emotion while doing them or have awkward stops while they prepare or get out of them.  Plus in DWTS, I don't expect great contemporaries.  I do expect a lot of lift fests when there is a male contestant that is capable of doing them.

[radishcake]

Guys you need to report posts you find objectionable instead of arguing back and forth on the threads. If there are people who you dislike hearing from please use our ignore feature. 

Continuing an argument that's already been hidden will earn you a time out.

[TeeMo]

I regularly forget that Normani is even on the show until she is actually dancing so clearly the extra screen time is not doing anything to sway me. ? 

Funny that Pure opted to start measuring this kind of thing now when they noticed it about Normani but not during the season that we should have just renamed "Dancing with Bindi." ?

[crowceilidh]

For camera time, they're counting package, time in front of the judges and Erin's skybox.  I think that's it.

[Toonces464]

50 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

I regularly forget that Normani is even on the show until she is actually dancing so clearly the extra screen time is not doing anything to sway me. ? 

Funny that Pure opted to start measuring this kind of thing now when they noticed it about Normani but not during the season that we should have just renamed "Dancing with Bindi." ?

I'm no fan of Pure, but I think they started noticing it because at least two or three contestants each week are not getting an interview with Erin, but rather are staying at the judges table with Tom. This is something I've noticed as well that's only been happening since last season. At first I chalked it up to lack of time but enough contestants are gone now that it shouldn't be a problem. 

[vdw84]

Normani is on insta and snapchat. She is very active on social media.

[Sstt]

26 minutes ago, vdw84 said:

Normani is on insta and snapchat. She is very active on social media.

I mean in the official page of dwts , like I always see nick and rashad . 

[calipiano81]

4 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

This show, from what I've seen, is 50% popularity contest and 50% actual dancing content. No, the worst dancer probably won't win, but they could easily get farther if they have a big enough fanbase to scrape them by over better dancers. 

50% actual dancing content? I think that's being VERY generous, LOL.