B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[Joimiaroxeu]

Eh, was not a fan of Sally's blowout hairdo today. I think she looks better with her hair wavy or curled. (Maybe it was a wig?)

I didn't think the lingerie was entirely horrible but the fashion show was like something put on at the local high school in the gymnasium. You'd think a show based on a fashion company would make a better effort.

Heh, Sally has the bangin' body Steffy can only wish she ever had.

[slayer2]

I think both their bodies are bangin' tbh. 

Edited November 9, 2018 by slayer2

[Gam2]

I think they both have fabulous bodies especially Steffy with her pregnancy. How brave of her to do this show with her belly already showing. I have no problem with either of these ladies (although I agree about Sally’s hair-it startled me at first). However. The new lingerie line is not anything anyone I’ve ever known would ever wear. Too much leather and weird stuff. What was all of that stuff hanging around people’s necks? Are they supposed to wear those to bed to possibly get strangled? And who wears gloves? This was just stupid. 

[Waldo13]

19 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

I think they both have fabulous bodies especially Steffy with her pregnancy. How brave of her to do this show with her belly already showing. I have no problem with either of these ladies (although I agree about Sally’s hair-it startled me at first). However. The new lingerie line is not anything anyone I’ve ever known would ever wear. Too much leather and weird stuff. What was all of that stuff hanging around people’s necks? Are they supposed to wear those to bed to possibly get strangled? And who wears gloves? This was just stupid. 

Stuffy now has her mommy boobs. Something the forgot to give her during her pregnancy with Kelly. 

Sally is absolutely beautiful and Stuffy looks fake.  I hope JW stops her Botox injections especially during her pregnancy. 

[slayer2]

I think JMW looks gorgeous. 

[tricknasty]

So Forrester Creations, a multi-million dollar company can't afford extra models so their CEO(Puffy) and designer (Sally), are forced to model lingerie? Ok. And it is so not creepy to watch Ridge ogle his daughter in lingerie. This fucking show!

[CharlizeCat]

While it was a pretty color, I didn't care for Sally's wig either. I think that the stylists were going for continuity, as all of the female models had long straight hair. That;s a trend for fall-winter 2018-19.

I have to give JMW props for modeling lingerie when she's so far along in her pregnancy. However, I didn't care for anything that anybody wore. It all looked the same to me with the borderline bondage strappy black. I think the weird additions like the ruffles, overshirts, collars, etc., were so that when Steffy came out in the show-stopper, she wouldn't look so out of place being more covered up.

Honestly, it was too boring to care about. They showed, what? Four ensembles for women and two for men? Yawn.

Ridge's leering, hugging and gushing over his scantily-clad daughter was creepy.

I am so glad that Brooke -- and Liam -- were nowhere to be seen at the Intimates show. Brooke's boatneck black pinstripe suit has been the hands-down fashion winner the past two days. 

[Petunia13]

I suppose we should be thankful the fashion show didn't take place in Eric's living room ?

The design of the strapping black lingerie and collars and ties with dress shirts and heels, kinda bondage meets menswear, gave me some serious 90s music video vibes. Bell and his staff must have watched Too Funky or Man I Feel like a Woman. 

Weird they had that huge diamond tulle piece over Sally's core when she has shredded ripped abs; seems dumb. They could have put Steffie in a baby doll negligee and covered her belly bump and shown off her strong shoulders and arms instead of covering them. All the wigs sucked too. The show needs to stop with this! They have been terrible and lousy quality a very long time. Just have the girls wear their hair natural or in a chic topknot or low ponytail? Ugh ?Brooke's hair was on point though I'm loving the short casual look and texture. 

[drivethroo]

8 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

I could tell JW was pregnant mostly when she turned in or had sideviews. She looks like she's having a girl by how high the bump is.

Apparently she's having a boy.

8 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Zoe is not pretty in her face, I find it hard to believe she's a model. 

Most (runway) models are not pretty in the face.

[ByTor]

13 hours ago, slayer2 said:

I was so excited to see more Black People, it didn't last. 

Did you actually think it would? :)  It was awesome to see Julius & Viv, though, for the entire 15 seconds they were on.

10 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

I have to give JMW props for modeling lingerie when she's so far along in her pregnancy.

LOL I'm not pregnant and I look further along than she does :)

13 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I didn't think the lingerie was entirely horrible but the fashion show was like something put on at the local high school in the gymnasium.

Especially with the way Xander was clomping around the stage.  And what was with Sally continuously blowing kisses?  That was weird.  While JMW & CH are both attractive, I think Zoe is the only one who actually looks like a model...I think she's by far the hottest female on the show.

[CharlizeCat]

Yeah. I think the days of the "super model" are long past. Even the women who supposedly had the complete package of facial beauty, killer body and personality, had their flaws. The models who are popular today like the Hadid sisters is due to self-promotion on social media (and having an overbearing momager, Yolanda!) The only one who seems to have it all is Kendall Jenner -- tall, thin and while she is attractive, she had the kind of face that can be easily transformed into whatever the look the designer is going for.  Nowadays, it seems like the designers are more focused on having the "walking coat hanger" and the overdone makeup and hair eliminate the need to have superior facial beauty as well. 

[CountryGirl]

Okay, so I peeked at a bit of the fashion show.

On trend or not, the long, poker-straight hair didn't work for me for a lingerie show.

I thought JMW looked fabulous - my non-pregnant body was more than a little envious of her (five months' pregnant at this filming) body.

Although given her gorgeous maternity photos, why in the world they keep subjecting her to such awful hair/makeup is beyond me? 

CH is...#bodygoals.

Simply stunning...and it must be hormones or something, but when Steffy quickly took care of letting a back-in-town Grams backstage and smiled at Sally reuniting with her, I can't lie. It made me smile.

Luckily, we had that walking pile of shit with flies circling Ridge to snap me back to reality by once again, ogling his daughter.

Also, I didn't miss him admiring Steffy's "I Choose Me" slogan. I mean, he's only chosen himself every fucking day of his life.

It was nice to see Viv and Julius taken out of the mothballs.

Seriously, show, ditch these can't act their way out of a paper bag interns and give some story to these two.

Brooke's pin-striped, off-the-shoulder jacket far outshone anything shown on the runway (sorry, Sal).

And Bill is laying a trap for Ridge...that I will have to check out.

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

that walking pile of shit with flies circling Ridge

[slayer2]

8 hours ago, ByTor said:

Did you actually think it would? :)  It was awesome to see Julius & Viv, though, for the entire 15 seconds they were on.

LOL I'm not pregnant and I look further along than she does :)

Especially with the way Xander was clomping around the stage.  And what was with Sally continuously blowing kisses?  That was weird.  While JMW & CH are both attractive, I think Zoe is the only one who actually looks like a model...I think she's by far the hottest female on the show.

I was just referring to being excited about Zoe and the lot but that quickly turned to frustration and disappointment with their shitty storylines and horrific acting. You do bring up a wonderful point about Viv and Julius though. I miss Sasha. 

 

Also, this show needs more men. People wouldn't ricochet back to Ridge and Bill so much if they had options (well maybe Brooke still would) can we get a fine Asian dude up in here? How about a hottie from OLTL like the guy who played Cristian?

Edited November 9, 2018 by slayer2

[Gam2]

I love Brooke and love her shorter hair cut. However, I don’t like the way the stylists are fixing it. Is it straight? Or curly? Or just kind of both but actually just bent? Not attractive to me. Lordy, those interns were on again today. Zzzzzzzzzz.

[CharlizeCat]

I think the stylists are going for that beachy waves look with Brooke.  I think that's a style that's going to be around forever. Personally, I am tired of it, but I thought it worked well with Brooke's pinstripe pantsuit.  It softened the look and was sexy and tousled. 

The lingerie models needed a sexier hair look, like the cascades of curls and waves the Victoria's Secret models sport. 

[ByTor]

I guess I'll sit at the table by myself, I liked the stick-straight flat ironed hair on all of them :)  The problem with KKL's hair, I think, is that it's so fine it won't hold a curl, so they use a lot of product to achieve the beachy waves, and as a result it looks too stiff.  I'm not a fan.

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, slayer2 said:

I was just referring to being excited about Zoe and the lot but that quickly turned to frustration and disappointment with their shitty storylines and horrific acting. You do bring up a wonderful point about Viv and Julian though. 

 

Also, this show needs more men. People wouldn't ricochet back to Ridge and Bill so much if they had options (well maybe Brooke still would) can we get a fine Asian dude up in here? How about a hottie from OLTL like the guy who played Cristian?

This right here.

They could bring back an un-insane Nick with son Jack in tow, played by Matthew Ashford and Ben Hogestyn.

I realize Ben already played Harry on the show years ago but if Kyle Lowder can be back on DOOL as not Brady but Rex(???), then why not? And yes, this would make Jack older than RJ, but he's off-canvas and they'll likely bring back as aged up anyway. I also realize Jack being Brooke's son and Ridge's nephew limits the choices but I've always wanted to see that storyline play out with mother and son. 

Next, can we have someone like this guy be newly arrived from FC Hong Kong?

And speaking of men, Steffy, are you blind? Leo is F-I-N-E.

[Swiss]

  CountryGirl, who is the gorgeous man in that first picture? He looks like a rugged version of Keith Urban.  Thanks.

[A-Lo]

Does that scene between Emma and Xander mean that we are finally free from her and her non-existing acting skills?  Praise be!

[CountryGirl]

9 minutes ago, Swiss said:

  CountryGirl, who is the gorgeous man in that first picture? He looks like a rugged version of Keith Urban.  Thanks.

That is Matthew Ashford, best known as Jack Deveraux on Days of Our Lives.

I have loved him since 1987, his debut on that show. He turned this strictly CBS lineup (Y&R, B&B, ATWT, GL) gal into a Days (NBC) fan. His pairing with Missy Reeves' Jennifer is my favorite of all time.

[Swiss]

  Wow.  I can't believe that is Matthew Ashford.  I was a longtime Days fan and remember him well.  Loved his pairing with Melissa Reeves.   I don't think I have ever seen him with a beard..just his unshaven face. That's why I was confused when I saw that pic.  Love that rugged look on him!

He needs to come to LA, wearing that beard.  Every woman..Logan or otherwise will be after him..lol. 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Swiss

[CountryGirl]

4 minutes ago, Swiss said:

  Wow.  I can't believe that is Matthew Ashford.  I was a longtime Days fan and remember him well.  Loved his pairing with Melissa Reeves.   I don't think I have ever seen him with a beard..just his unshaven face. That's why I was confused when I saw that pic.  Love that rugged look on him!

Me, too.

YUMMY!

[slayer2]

3 hours ago, ByTor said:

I guess I'll sit at the table by myself, I liked the stick-straight flat ironed hair on all of them :)  The problem with KKL's hair, I think, is that it's so fine it won't hold a curl, so they use a lot of product to achieve the beachy waves, and as a result it looks too stiff.  I'm not a fan.

Table of two. I brought wine though. 

[ByTor]

21 minutes ago, slayer2 said:

4 hours ago, ByTor said:

I guess I'll sit at the table by myself, I liked the stick-straight flat ironed hair on all of them :)  The problem with KKL's hair, I think, is that it's so fine it won't hold a curl, so they use a lot of product to achieve the beachy waves, and as a result it looks too stiff.  I'm not a fan.

Table of two. I brought wine though. 

I hope you brought a whole box of it!

[Waldo13]

I love the hacker.  He's a bit cliché though. 

Why is Katie and Ridge heading up the press conference?  Shouldn't Wyatt, Sally, and Stuffy be there?  

I hope by Emma blowing off Xander means that Emma is toast.  

Edited November 9, 2018 by Waldo13

[Joimiaroxeu]

Zoe knows Xander has a girlfriend. Why would she expect him to ditch Emma for the afterparty? Whatever, I think Emma is too young for Xander both in age and life experience. But at least she was finally mature enough to realize it.

Bill won't be able to use any incriminating info he gets off the judge's phone because hacking it is also a crime. Not sure where Bill thinks he's going with this.

Nice to see pompous Ridge sweating for a change. Now he's counting on Bill do the right thing? Payback's a female dog, Ridge.

[RuntheTable]

5 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

This right here.

They could bring back an un-insane Nick with son Jack in tow, played by Matthew Ashford and Ben Hogestyn.

I realize Ben already played Harry on the show years ago but if Kyle Lowder can be back on DOOL as not Brady but Rex(???), then why not? And yes, this would make Jack older than RJ, but he's off-canvas and they'll likely bring back as aged up anyway. I also realize Jack being Brooke's son and Ridge's nephew limits the choices but I've always wanted to see that storyline play out with mother and son. 

Next, can we have someone like this guy be newly arrived from FC Hong Kong?

And speaking of men, Steffy, are you blind? Leo is F-I-N-E.

I haven't watched the last couple of days, just needed a breather. But who cares when I can come here and see stuff like this? Thanks @CountryGirl

[CharlizeCat]

Soooo ... two wrongs don't make a right here. Ridge tampered with the judge and Bill got his evidence by illegally hacking said judge's phone.

This is not going to end well, especially for Brooke

I certainly hope that today was the last time we have to see Emma on our screens.  I also hope it means phasing out Xander and Zoe.

I liked Katie's outfit but not on her, if that makes any sense. Hope would have killed it!

[Petunia13]

@CountryGirl needs to be casting this show!! 

I so agree we need more male romantic leads. All the woman of one age group rotate between Ridge and Bill. All the younger leads swap around Liam and Wyatt.  ? We need a 40s-50s non Forrester non Spencer and his son and possibly daughter as well. The interns can go, Pam and Charlie can move away. 

Brooke/KKL hair is really fine so it looks best with texture or shape. Squinting and single tears aside, I think she's a laid back and warm woman so having playful, casual hair works for her. 

Is hacking more illegal than blackmailing and/or bribing a judge? 

[Anna Yolei]

I'm all for a recast Nick. Since TPTB had moved him and Jackie into fashion by the time they all left, maybe Jack, now grown up and a budding designer like every other person on the show, teams up with Sally to revive either SF or Jackie M. Meanwhile Nick can act as the voice of the viewer and call out Bill and Ridge both for being jackasses. Kudos if they remember his close bond with Hope and he stands up for her to Ridge and Steffy when she gets back on her bullshit (and I'm sure she will sooner than later).

[MajesticMariposa]

6 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Why is Katie and Ridge heading up the press conference?  Shouldn't Wyatt, Sally, and Stuffy be there?  

Katie is head of PR and Ridge is co-CEO, so I guess that's why they wanted him. Wyatt's main focus is social media. Not sure why Sally and Steffy weren't there, though.

[SimplePleasures]

14 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

That is Matthew Ashford, best known as Jack Deveraux on Days of Our Lives.

I have loved him since 1987, his debut on that show. He turned this strictly CBS lineup (Y&R, B&B, ATWT, GL) gal into a Days (NBC) fan. His pairing with Missy Reeves' Jennifer is my favorite of all time.

If I'm not mistaken, I think he's coming back on contract.

[ByTor]

17 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Zoe knows Xander has a girlfriend. Why would she expect him to ditch Emma for the afterparty?

Because it's Emma :P

[Ohwell]

I can't stop looking at that Asian guy.  

[RuntheTable]

For fucks sake man, put your eyes back in your head; she is your daughter! Oh, and close  your mouth...……

[Anna Yolei]

On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 7:10 PM, CharlizeCat said:

I am so glad that Brooke -- and Liam -- were nowhere to be seen at the Intimates show.

Liam's been MIA these days, hasn't he? Not that I care, cuz aside from the few months he took off after his wife gave birth last year, he's been non-stop on this show almost since he came aboard.

17 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

For fucks sake man, put your eyes back in your head; she is your daughter! Oh, and close  your mouth...……

I died laughing xD

I sure hope Brad Bell learned his lesson the last time he tried to crib from Passions and pair Ridge up with the other young woman who was once considered his daughter (and named after him, a fact I never connected until Bridget herself mentioned it on the show. That was also how I learned about her mixed up paternity, which made their relationship WAY worse).

[Petunia13]

That was fucked up to make Jennifer Finnegan have to sell that ? 

This show has had consistently great Bridgets. She's a refreshing character too; a good girl who isn't meddlesome or judgy like Katie, nor bland and mopey like Hope. 

[KLovestoShop]

On 11/8/2018 at 7:05 PM, slayer2 said:

Trust me girl, if there's a doomed, hopeless ship I will find it. 

I was so excited to see more Black People, it didn't last.  Why can't they find Black people that can act? #fml

Acting isn't their biggest problem.  Bell just grabbed three African Americans, and dropped them into the show without one tiny relationship to anything or anyone.  He had some black actors already on contract, people who actually blended with the stories, but he dumped them.  Sure, they might not have been the best actors, but at least they fit into existing stories/characters.  And now we're getting Wayne Brady on contract.  I bet the three newbies were Bell's attempt to attract teen and 20-something viewers.  But when so many dislike these characters, including a leading soap magazine who ripped Bell for just dropping these three into stories, the experiment didn't work. 

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, Petunia13 said:

That was fucked up to make Jennifer Finnegan have to sell that ? 

This show has had consistently great Bridgets. She's a refreshing character too; a good girl who isn't meddlesome or judgy like Katie, nor bland and mopey like Hope. 

Hell, it was fucked up to have Ronn Moss sell that shit, too! But I gotta give him props for giving it his all. I never would have known how much he hated that story until he mentioned in an interview shortly before he left the show that it was his least favorite story--and that he gets skivved by the fact that he's had more than one fan come up to him shipping Ridget. O_O

As for Bridget, agreed. She was one of the very few balanced good girl characters who would say her peace when wrong and move on without backstabbing or the passive-aggressive shit Hope 1.0 became infamous for. The one truly shitty thing I can recall her doing was lying to Nick about having an abortion after seeing him having dinner with Brooke...but good God, I really can't blame her too much for that one (standing on a rickety chair while six months into an already high risk pregnancy, OTOH...).

Phoebe could've been another one, because like Hope she wanted to wait till marriage, but I felt that came from a place of her own decision and less like that was influenced by other factors. I don't remember her being so obnoxious about it. Granted, she had no peers on the show to bounce off of, so we'll never know how far off the rails Phoebe could have gone. but of Ridge's four children, she was the one I could tolerate most--at least, till Thomas finally cleaned up his act.

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, KLovestoShop said:

Acting isn't their biggest problem.  Bell just grabbed three African Americans, and dropped them into the show without one tiny relationship to anything or anyone.  He had some black actors already on contract, people who actually blended with the stories, but he dumped them.  Sure, they might not have been the best actors, but at least they fit into existing stories/characters.  And now we're getting Wayne Brady on contract.  I bet the three newbies were Bell's attempt to attract teen and 20-something viewers.  But when so many dislike these characters, including a leading soap magazine who ripped Bell for just dropping these three into stories, the experiment didn't work. 

As someone who came into B&B as a teen in the late 90s/early 200s, I can confirm that just dropping random kids doesn't work.

when I started watching, I was initially pulled in by Amber's baby drama, sure. But I also stayed for CJ attempted to sabotage the FC fashion show and Sally being upset that she never wanted her children to stoop to her old tricks. I initially felt bad for Bridget's embarrassment at Brooke marrying her brother Thorne and for Kimberly and Rick's romance cut short in the face of his responsibility to Amber and their baby. And Becky for the short time she was a part of the show was one of my favorite characters at the time, a young woman who only wanted a second change to raise her child.

Thing is: say what you will about Amber's scams or Kimberly's off-the-rail Pam-esque behavior near the end of her run...they all felt like real characters that had potential. Hell, as loathe as I am to defend any part of Zencole, individually or separately, even they had a tangible connection to the cast via Maya and the Forresters. Zende could've been interesting by having his look to reconnect with his roots in South Africa after spending his life raised in comfort. Nicole could've been more than just an incubator and could've had more potential to be a go-between for Maya and Julius.

Where can you possibly go with these three newbies? Jacob Young mentioned in an interview I linked to in the Media thread that there was a story that was "given to the interns" that he had pitched to Show that would've included Maya and him. He didn't go into specifics, but I'm certain the Avant connection as a British cousin was actually supposed to have been a son that Julius probably paid to have adopted out after Maya left home. Now *that* would have been a story I'd give a shit about...for at least a month, until that too went to piss, but still leagues more interesting than a triangle and romance that's largely taken place off-screen.

And if Tumblr is anything to go by since that's an unfortunate hub of scum and villainy the go-to site for all things fandom (which I hate for so many reasons, but I digress), kids today aren't satisfied with one or two token characters or Winters Wednesday crap. They want fully fleshed out characters and B&B's half-assed measures with this and yes, even Maya's trans story that's been forgotten in place of making her Stepford Wife # 5 on the show ain't gonna cut it.

[drivethroo]

3 hours ago, KLovestoShop said:

Acting isn't their biggest problem.  Bell just grabbed three African Americans, and dropped them into the show without one tiny relationship to anything or anyone.  He had some black actors already on contract, people who actually blended with the stories, but he dumped them.  Sure, they might not have been the best actors, but at least they fit into existing stories/characters.  And now we're getting Wayne Brady on contract.  I bet the three newbies were Bell's attempt to attract teen and 20-something viewers.  But when so many dislike these characters, including a leading soap magazine who ripped Bell for just dropping these three into stories, the experiment didn't work.

Intern stories don't work, whether the characters are black or white, because nobody cares about interns*, no matter who they are tied to.  Nobody cared about RJ (Brooke & Ridge's son, Eric's grandson, Thorne's nephew and sibling to Hope and Steffy) and nobody cared about Coco (Sally's sister). 

Nobody cares about Emma (Justin's niece).  Emma needs to be axed or have her screen time busted way down to where she is appearing sporadically like Alison or Simon or Emmy.

Emma's little speech to Xander about wanting to wait and having the maturity to walk away from him because he wanted a more mature relationship was dumb.  At no point did we see Xander pressuring Emma for sex or making it known to her that he wanted a sexual relationship and at no point did we see Emma wonder if she should give in to sex or hold out.  The #1 problem with Xander & Emma's relationship is he still has a thing for Zoe.  If Emma had dumped him on that basis, I could maybe root for her but the little speech she gave just didn't ring true, because it wasn't.

The fact they are adding Wayne Brady as Zoe's dad means she'll be sticking around, and so will Xander.  Xander could still be Julius' son...just write it that Julius had an affair with his brother's wife/girlfriend, Xander was conceived and she kept quiet about it...and it was easy to keep quiet about Xander's paternity because she raised Xander in the UK.  Julius never had any idea Xander is his son...and he's truly happy about it because finally he can have a relationship with his son...which rankles Maya.

*Nobody cares about interns, which is why they probably made Xander a Forrester model.

Edited November 11, 2018 by drivethroo

[Joimiaroxeu]

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Emma's little speech to Xander about wanting to wait and having the maturity to walk away from him because he wanted a more mature relationship was dumb.  At no point did we see Xander pressuring Emma for sex or making it known to her that he wanted a sexual relationship and at no point did we see Emma wonder if she should give in to sex or hold out.  The #1 problem with Xander & Emma's relationship is he still has a thing for Zoe.  If Emma had dumped him on that basis, I could maybe root for her but the little speech she gave just didn't ring true, because it wasn't.

While Xander didn't pressure her per se, he did repeatedly let her know that he'd like to take things further, e.g. the cabana date. He wasn't trying to pretend like he was okay having a chaste relationship indefinitely. Meanwhile, he still could get sex from Zoe so he wasn't really making much of a sacrifice anyway. My take on what Emma said is that she realized he was at a different place in life as far as what he expected out of a relationship. She's basically still a kid and he is an adult. She wasn't willing to watch him go to Zoe (or whoever) for the things she wasn't willing to do. Now she could've demanded that he stop sniffing around other women (or worse) but I think she knew that was not an ultimatum she was in a position to make. Yet she felt fine getting in Zoe's face even though Zoe wasn't putting a gun to Xander's head to make him come around her. I still think Emma was too young for Xander. She needs to be with guys her own age who have similar morals, or find a older guy who wants to get married in a hurry.

[drivethroo]

Emma knew Zoe would always be in the picture because Xander wanted her in the picture and she couldn't deal with that.  I don't think that has much to do with readiness for sex because even if Emma was having sex with Xander, Zoe still would've been in the picture.  While I do think Emma was too young and too young minded for Xander, I think that's probably more because the portrayer is 16 years old while the Xander/Zoe actors are clearly in their 20s.  Zoe was in the picture because Xander wanted her to be in the picture.  This guy supposedly moved from the UK to LA to get away from Zoe, yet would light up every time she came into the room.

Meanwhile Emma would tell senior executives of Forrester Creations what their hiring decisions need to be, because she as an intern didn't like Zoe working at Forrester around Xander.

The constant spectre of Zoe was the dealbreaker for Emma IMO, not being too young or not sexually ready for Xander.  I'm not saying those issues weren't weighing heavy on Emma but Zoe always being around and in Xander's orbit was too much.   The producers may have decided to free up Emma's salary to pay for Wayne Brady's.

Edited November 11, 2018 by drivethroo

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Intern stories don't work, whether the characters are black or white, because nobody cares about interns*, no matter who they are tied to.  Nobody cared about RJ (Brooke & Ridge's son, Eric's grandson, Thorne's nephew and sibling to Hope and Steffy) and nobody cared about Coco (Sally's sister).

With RJ, I didn't give a shit because 90 percent of his "story" was about him cheerleading his idiot parents and his obvious revisionist history about the "epic love story" between the two of them. I'm still pissed that we couldn't have gotten one scene of RJ chewing Ridge out for cheating with Quinn the way that the ATWT would regularly get, or hell even the cold, calm reaction Faith had after Nick Newman the Human Baboon went dumpster diving last month, and just headed to school the day after Failed Shick Wedding Number 85668 as if it were business as usual.

It also saddens me that having typed this out, it makes me understand why TIIC have doubled down on Hope/Steffy as hard as they have. TIIC doubled down on the wrong conflict, sure, but at least we had residual fucks to give because of the stupidity of their mothers.

[Gam2]

The writers had Emma break up with Zander so he would have to turn to Zoe so they could bring on Wayne Brady. They’re very good at shoehorning a person or a story line into the show whether or not it makes sense or is interesting just because they want to do that. No wonder these shows are dying. When will these people learn that we’re not stupid or gullible or willing to buy their horse shit any longer. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

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The writers had Emma break up with Zander so he would have to turn to Zoe so they could bring on Wayne Brady.

There could be any number of reasons why Wayne Brady is being brought on. Maybe the actress who plays Emma is leaving and they decided to move the Xander and Zoe storyline in another direction. Maybe they wanted to expand Zoe's character instead of just having her be the rival for Emma. It wouldn't be first time a relative of a current character has shown up and I don't necessarily see Brady being shoehorned into anything. It probably would be no big deal if Zoe's father were being played by someone relatively unknown.

[ByTor]

20 hours ago, drivethroo said:

Xander could still be Julius' son

I hope not, I like Vivienne and would hate the thought of him having had yet another affair.

[CountryGirl]

27 minutes ago, ByTor said:

I hope not, I like Vivienne and would hate the thought of him having had yet another affair.

I was hoping it would turn out he was Maya's son (when Maya was still Myron from a physical standpoint) and that he was a product of a teen pregnancy . I'm envisioning then-Myron exploring his sexuality or trying to prove his "manhood" and sleepng with a girl before Maya left home for good and she never knew that the girl she slept with was pregnant. But Julius did and he collaborated with the teenage mother's parents to have his childless brother and sister-in-law, living half a world away in England, adopt the boy.

I'm sure that would be too juicy a storyline for Badley but at least the insipid Emma is finally gone.

[CharlizeCat]

That would certainly be more interesting than anything else that could be going on with Xander.  I will sport an UO that I do not care for Zoe at all. I don't find her attractive, her fake British accent is atrocious and she is almost as one-note expression as JMW.  I am not a Xander fan either but I guess if some of the terrible trio have to be kept around, I would gladly sacrifice Emma. 

I admit that I read some of the gossip soap news and one announcement a while back said that KM was getting ready to come back from maternity leave and there was a "big story" coming up for Maya. But ... we've all been misled before. I guess that whatever it is, it won't involve Rick. I also read today that JY is now relegated to making Christmas movies for the Hallmark Channel!

That would certainly be more interesting than anything else that could be going on with Xander.  I will sport an UO that I do not care for Zoe at all. I don't find her attractive, her fake British accent is atrocious and she is almost as one-note expression as JMW.  I am not a Xander fan either but I guess if some of the terrible trio have to be kept around, I would gladly sacrifice Emma. 

I admit that I read some of the gossip soap news and one announcement a while back said that KM was getting ready to come back from maternity leave and there was a "big story" coming up for Maya. But ... we've all been misled before. I guess that whatever it is, it won't involve Rick. I also read today that JY is now relegated to making Christmas movies for the Hallmark Channel!