BkWurm1 October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 I like to play, "Can you tell they are standing in the rain?" when it airs. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627818
Primal Slayer October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 Lol I know get why shows/movies just don't embrace the rain instead of trying to hide it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627847
wingster55 October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 You aren't either, considering Felicity is yelling at Diggle for endangering his life too, not just Oliver's.But she's also yelling about them having issues as though it isn't all on Oliver. Which it is. Blinders on this instance (which makes sense considering she forgave him in 0.25 seconds) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627867
SmallScreenDiva October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 (edited) [Edited by mod: Nope.] [Nope.] Edited October 22, 2015 by MuuMuuChainsmoker Fandom talk. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627884
statsgirl October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 (edited) "Felicity said Diggle almost got himself killed too. Are those Diggle blinders?" I don't think you're using blinders correctly. Blinders, or blinkers as we used to call them, were used to put on a horse that tended to get distracted so that it saw only the way ahead and not the side view that would distract them. Felicity sees that both Diggle and Oliver are being endangered from Diggle refusing to work with Oliver. She's not telling Diggle to stop being angry, she's telling him to stop being stupid. Edited October 21, 2015 by statsgirl 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627888
apinknightmare October 21, 2015 Share October 21, 2015 (edited) But she's also yelling about them having issues as though it isn't all on Oliver. Which it is. Blinders on this instance (which makes sense considering she forgave him in 0.25 seconds) Sorry, that's not what blinders are. She can't have blinders on for Oliver when she's also concerned about Diggle's well being. And it isn't all on Oliver? If Diggle can't put his personal feelings aside, then he shouldn't be going out in the field with him. Edited October 22, 2015 by apinknightmare Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627891
wingster55 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) But she can when she IMO is insinuating that Diggle is as much to blame for the problems he has with Oliver. We don't know what happened on the field. Sure Diggle may have done something stupid this one time, but it isn't something that happens often. [Nope] [Nope] Edited October 22, 2015 by MuuMuuChainsmoker Fandom talk Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627899
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) So do I get points for calling that Malcolm would dig and not want to fix Thea's bloodlust? Edited October 22, 2015 by AyChihuahua 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627985
apinknightmare October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 So do I get points for calling that Malcolm would dig and not want to fix Thea's blooodlust? You do! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627989
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) One never loses points calling Malcolm a piece of shit who needs to be frigging murdered already. Edited October 22, 2015 by AyChihuahua 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1627997
apinknightmare October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 But she can when she IMO is insinuating that Diggle is as much to blame for the problems he has with Oliver. We don't know what happened on the field. Sure Diggle may have done something stupid this one time, but it isn't something that happens often. She's angry at Oliver. She's yelling at Oliver. She's angry at Diggle and yelling at him, too, because they're letting their differences come between them. Having Oliver blinders on would require her yelling at Diggle and Diggle alone and telling him that he needs to forgive Oliver. That didn't happen. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628001
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) I'm pretty okay with Thea not being fixed. That means she has to keep it under control herself. She may not be Robert Queen's daughter, but she is Moira Queen's daughter, and that means she has a lot of badass inside her. Also okay with Oliver torturing that guy, bc otherwise that guy would be dead. So I am basically a genius. Malcolm caved bc of Thea. I need to buy some Lotto tickets. Edited October 22, 2015 by AyChihuahua 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628011
foreverevolving October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) Right I'm calling Malcolm the man For making it officially canon that THEA WASN'T DEAD!!!, because now Laurel fans can't argue that the situation between Thea and Sara was the same!! YES!!! Edited October 22, 2015 by foreverevolving 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628031
apinknightmare October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 So I am basically a genius. Malcolm caved bc of Thea. I need to buy some Lotto tickets. His caving doesn't make sense though - he said that Thea's bloodlust wouldn't go away until she killed the person who hurt her (which, hers wouldn't ever go away since Ra's was the one who stabbed her), so since Thea killed Sara and Malcolm knows this, wouldn't Sara go right for Thea? 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628037
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) This is bad and upsetting and bad and upsetting. His caving doesn't make sense though - he said that Thea's bloodlust wouldn't go away until she killed the person who hurt her (which, hers wouldn't ever go away since Ra's was the one who stabbed her), so since Thea killed Sara and Malcolm knows this, wouldn't Sara go right for Thea? Yes, and she did. Also, this is Arrow. Never apply logic! But Nyssa isn't dead! Sara! I love you so! The phone is Ray. How does Laurel know that's what happened when Thea came out of the Pit? HA HA HA the Pit is done. I am SO HAPPY. Also Laurel had no excuse for her hateful look at Sara. Also Laurel sucks ass. But Nyssa's not dead! I AM SO HAPPY! Loved the episode! I am in actual heaven right now. And and and past!Oliver didn't do anything particularly bad. He couldn't save the one guy, saved the other guy by torturing him, and saved the woman, who as an individual I don't care about but as a human I don't want past!Oliver to hurt. Whenever I hear how DARK past!Oliver is supposed to go, I think S1 present day Oliver never killed a good guy, and I don't worry. Edited October 22, 2015 by AyChihuahua 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628048
MuuMuuChainsmoker October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 While I greatly appreciate the consideration, you guys don't have to spoiler tag posts in the Spoiler Discussion thread. :) Also, please move on from the definitions of "blinders" discussion. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628112
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Serious question, do we not have to spoiler tag when the episode has shown in EST but not PST? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628126
dtissagirl October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Next week's preview looks so fucking dreary. Eeeeugh. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628130
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) Next week's preview looks so fucking dreary. Eeeeugh. I don't care, I'm too busy being in heaven! Nyssa's alive, Sara's alive, Malcolm's evil, Thea's awesome, Oliver hasn't been a moron at all so far, Digg's mostly over it, Felicity rocks! Since I think we don't have to spoiler tag, I'm glad Thea doesn't have an outside fix. I'm glad she has to deal with it herself. She is strong enough to do it; she is Moira Queen's daughter, and an easy fix is boring. She now knows this is in her and she has to control it. Fairly Oliver-ish, since his first instinct is usually to kill. It's not easy to respond another way after years of ingrained reactions. Makes Thea SO MUCH MORE interesting. But for real, is anyone ever gonna kill Malcolm? Edited October 22, 2015 by AyChihuahua 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628154
Morrigan2575 October 22, 2015 Author Share October 22, 2015 Serious question, do we not have to spoiler tag when the episode has shown in EST but not PST?Site rules are once it airs in the East it's not a spoiler. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628178
apinknightmare October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Next week's preview looks so fucking dreary. Eeeeugh. Seriously. I want Quentin dead, but the thought that he thinks Sara's so messed up that he has to shoot her? God. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628224
Sakura12 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 From the preview for next week, is Laurel just going up to her dad and saying "Look Daddy, I brought you this feral souless creature that used to be Sara for you. Aren't you happy now?" Do you think they'll go the cliche route when just as Quentin's about the pull the trigger, Sara says "Daddy" 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628249
Popular Post apinknightmare October 22, 2015 Popular Post Share October 22, 2015 Which daughter is Quentin referring to when he tells Damien she isn't right? Could be either at this point, LOL. 27 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628272
bethy October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 From the preview for next week, is Laurel just going up to her dad and saying "Look Daddy, I brought you this feral souless creature that used to be Sara for you. Aren't you happy now?" But she didn't lie this time! He should be happy she's learned from past mistakes! 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628277
tennisgurl October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Its like a cat bringing home a dead rat, and staring at you like you should be proud of them. I am pretty annoyed with Quentin these days, but damn. Him having to shoot Sara? That is messed the hell up. Way to go, Laurel. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628295
statsgirl October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 This is the Spoiler Discussion thread. I thought nothing Arrow-related needed to be spoiler-barred. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628358
MuuMuuChainsmoker October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Serious question, do we not have to spoiler tag when the episode has shown in EST but not PST? It's the nice thing to do in non-spoiler threads, but anyone in Spoiler Discussion can't really complain about getting spoiled. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628363
Sakura12 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) I'm sure Laurel is all happy and proud to show her dad that she brought Sara back to life. Then this happens. Edited October 22, 2015 by Sakura12 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628368
nksarmi October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Sakura - lol I'm just peeking in this thread because I knew that jif HAD to be going around already. :) Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628389
jay741982 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 I'm sure Laurel is all happy and proud to show her dad that she brought Sara back to life. Then this happens. Am I wrong for yelling "choke her harder" when I saw that? 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628445
apinknightmare October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Is Sara choking her with the chains she's locked up in? If so: A) badass. B) Amateur move getting that close and turning your back, Laurel. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628467
Chaser October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 I laughed at the promo for the next episode. The heavy 'FAMILY SECRETS' then cut to Felicity watching Lance and DD and Oliver saying that is DD. Fairly certain they are talking about Lance Family Secrets, but I totally thought they were teasing Felicity is DD's daughter. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628476
writersblock51 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 As much as it looks like Laurel is dealing with fall out from her absolutely insanely bad idea of resurrecting Sara against EVERYONE'S wishes but her own... we know her redemption is coming because the 2 Canaries are fighting side by side soon enough. Which means there are no long lasting consequences for Laurel, no matter how many dead bodies and broken souls she leaves in her wake. I want Laurel to be the dead-REALLY-DEAD person in the grave that we saw at the end of Episode 1 this season. This episode did nothing to shed any sympathetic light on her. She's not heroic nor is she acting brave and selfless. She doesn't deserve to be Black Canary and it's unfortunate that the show has written the BC character this way. Any thoughts on who/what is messing with Felicity's phone? I'm thinking Tiny Ray. 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628483
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Is Sara choking her with the chains she's locked up in? If so: A) badass. B) Amateur move getting that close and turning your back, Laurel. I love how Laurel's pretty much smiling prior to being choked by Sara. "Daddy, look what I brought you! ARRRRGGHHHH!" Dumb forever. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628516
SonofaBiscuit October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 How fun for Lance that he'll find himself in some really messed up version of Old Yeller next week. He's probably going in the grave at the end of the season anyway, but good thing his heart is apparently A-okay now or this would surely kill him. Forever laughing at Laurel thinking it's a good idea to turn her back on her murderous bloodthirsty sister. Sorry, but you deserve to get choked out if you're that careless. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628589
Guest October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 I don't really understand Laurel here tbh. She knows the pit has turned Sara cray cray and then she sits next to her and lets her guard down and what? Goes down memory lane? There's a level of delusion there that's kind of worrying. Or maybe it's not so much delusion but burying your damn head in the sand and refusing to accept what the hell is happening. Not good at all. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628645
wonderwall October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 YO LAUREL. WHY THE HELL ARE YOU SMILING WHEN YOUR SISTER IS TORTURED AND IS BEING HELD IN CHAINS LIKE AN ANIMAL. I swear..... -_- 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628650
calliope1975 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Maybe Sara faked her out to get her close, hence the yay! my sister's back smile, then bam - chokes her out. If so, well done, Sara. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628661
Guest October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) Ooooh, those 404 photos! Oliver's back in a suit. I repeat! Oliver is back in a suit. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. Also Felicity looks gorgeous and so happy and smiley at her man. Star City Power Couple here we come! Thea looks beautiful too. Edited October 22, 2015 by Guest Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628666
Chaser October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Does Sara think Laurel killed her? 'Cause that was just a joke... It's funny. I didn't realize what a Sara fan I was until they killed her and now again with them bringing her back. I didn't think I would look forward to 4x04, but I really want to see these Sara scenes. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628687
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 How fun for Lance that he'll find himself in some really messed up version of Old Yeller next week. He's probably going in the grave at the end of the season anyway, but good thing his heart is apparently A-okay now or this would surely kill him. Forever laughing at Laurel thinking it's a good idea to turn her back on her murderous bloodthirsty sister. Sorry, but you deserve to get choked out if you're that careless. I love dogs far more than humans (except maybe Sara) no never refer to Ol' Yeller! Worst story EVAH! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628717
Guest October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 I want to know how long it takes before Oliver discovers Sara is alive. Because in those 404 pictures they're all back in SC (Sara looks chained in the old foundry tbh) and Thea is with Felicity and Oliver so does Laurel ask Thea to keep it a secret? I don't think Oliver would be doing his photo ops if he knew Sara was alive and chained in their old Arrow lair. Smh. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628720
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 I want to know how long it takes before Oliver discovers Sara is alive. Because in those 404 pictures they're all back in SC (Sara looks chained in the old foundry tbh) and Thea is with Felicity and Oliver so does Laurel ask Thea to keep it a secret? I don't think Oliver would be doing his photo ops if he knew Sara was alive and chained in their old Arrow lair. Smh. Oliver is the Olympic gold medalist of compartmentalizing. So it could really go either way. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628746
Chaser October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Oliver and Lance have some pretty emotional scenes in this next episode. I'm wondering if Oliver goes to Lance after seeing him with DD and then at some point Lance tells Oliver about Sara. I'm thinking Oliver goes to see Sara and confronts Laurel (and Thea) about what they did. That's the rough patch. Laurel probably tells him to go to hell until the next episode when she needs his help. It wouldn't surprise me if Laurel asks Thea to keep Sara a secret for awhile. Until she gets a handle on her or something. Who is the villain in 4x04? 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628752
Guest October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 Oliver is the Olympic gold medalist of compartmentalizing. So it could really go either way. I agree he can compartmentalize but not on this. Sara's alive and back from the dead. No way he'd just file that away for a few hours. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628754
Sakura12 October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 They said it's only been a myth that the LP raises the dead. With that I'm going to hope that Quentin does shoot Sara and she just looks at the bullet hole and back at him because now she can't die. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628761
Chaser October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 They said it's only been a myth that the LP raises the dead. With that I'm going to hope that Quentin does shoot Sara and she just looks at the bullet hole and back at him because now she can't die. Ohhhhhhh....I want. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628772
AyChihuahua October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 I'm still so so so so so so happy that Nyssa destroyed the Pit. Nyssa, please marry me. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628778
apinknightmare October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 They said it's only been a myth that the LP raises the dead. With that I'm going to hope that Quentin does shoot Sara and she just looks at the bullet hole and back at him because now she can't die. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628797
Chaser October 22, 2015 Share October 22, 2015 (edited) I was just watching the Angel clip thinking this is the best and then you go and post Death Becomes Her. Maybe Constantine can flick some ash through the hole and Sara can just flip him off. Edited October 22, 2015 by 10Eleven12 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/3338-spoiler-discussion-thread/page/668/#findComment-1628803
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