Spoiler Discussion Thread

[Chaser]

I don't know anything about Sebastian Roché as a personality/celebrity nor do I really care. The guy is a very good actor. He plays villains and good/anti-heroes quite well. He can do comedy and drama, he would be good as DD and/or Felicity's. Frankly SR, Mark Sheppard and David Anders are a coup for any show. However right now SR is the only one available (unless something happened on iZombie's finale)

I just started picturing Mark Sheppard as DD. Thanks for that. I was prepared to be disappointed, but now I'm going to be really disappointed. 

[catahoulamama]

I really do not like that Sebastian Roché guy at all. I have not seen him in anything (never watched Supernatural) but when people were tossing his name around, I checked his Twitter. He posts shirtless selfies FFS and that too at his age. I mean we already suffer through Katie Cassidy posting her gym photos, we really do not need another narcissist on the cast posting mirror selfies all the time.

I guess I don't see how an actor's posts on social media have anything to do with their performance on the show. If you watch the show, all that matters is the talent they bring to the role. Following them on twitter is optional so you're not subjected to anything they do outside the show unless you follow them.  SB is a great actor and does villains very well. I'd love to have him on Arrow.

 

 

Exactly how i feel, i have no interest on SR personal life and selfies, if he is indeed going to be cast for Arrow all i want is good performances from him, and i know he's a very decent actor i remember him from SPN very well.

If they go with SR for FS father, i would like to see Oded Fehr being cast for DD, still think it's a shame he wasn't cast for Ra's.

Hopes and dreams i guess, it's that time of the year 

OMG! Oded Fehr would be fabulous. I LOVED him on Covert Affairs.  I think he's been cast on Stitchers though, but not sure how long that role is. I got excited when I saw the casting news, but just can't bring myself to watch Stitchers.

[kismet]

I don't know anything about Sebastian Roché as a personality/celebrity nor do I really care. The guy is a very good actor. He plays villains and good/anti-heroes quite well. He can do comedy and drama, he would be good as DD and/or Felicity's. Frankly SR, Mark Sheppard and David Anders are a coup for any show. However right now SR is the only one available (unless something happened on iZombie's finale)

I love David Anders, but I think he would be too young to play DD - especially if DD is going to be Felicity's father. The man is only 34! And frankly, he looks younger at times - can't really seem them aging him up.

 

That being said if he does have availability between Izombie & ouat (pretty sure he is still on both shows), I would LOVE to see him get a role on Arrow as a recurring grey character that is part bad & good. Perhaps he could be part of HIVE or DD's leadership team. I honestly could see him playing a relative (brother/cousin) to Felicity, not that he needs to be. We also know he can do accents well (not sure about Russian) so perhaps he could be part of the Bratva arc whenever they give us that.

[Carrie Ann]

David Anders already appeared on Arrow as a one-off villain in S1 (not that it matters, he's a regular on iZombie and won't be appearing on another CW show until/unless that ends).

[tarotx]

I think People's social media can turn off viewers. Look at Adam Baldwin.

[kismet]

David Anders already appeared on Arrow as a one-off villain in S1 (not that it matters, he's a regular on iZombie and won't be appearing on another CW show until/unless that ends).

Thanks!! I completely forgot about that episode. On the plus side his character is still alive and could come back and cause trouble. But you're right the CW probably won't want him on 2 shows simultaneously even if he did have time.

[Morrigan2575]

I love David Anders, but I think he would be too young to play DD - especially if DD is going to be Felicity's father. The man is only 34! And frankly, he looks younger at times - can't really seem them aging him up.

 

 

 

I never thought about the age or anything but DA, SR and MS are very good at playing charismatic villains.  They are good at adding layers and getting you to love, love to hate or at least find entertaining even if you hate the character, IMO.  Although, I think Anders should use this "British" accent in every role, love the way he sounds.  

 

David Anders already appeared on Arrow as a one-off villain in S1 (not that it matters, he's a regular on iZombie and won't be appearing on another CW show until/unless that ends).

 

 

Totally forgot about that

Edited June 26, 2015 by Morrigan2575

[Scribbles]

My vote for Felicity's father, Walter Goggins (Boyd in Justified, Venus Van Dame in Sons of Anarchy).  He has the comedic timing, can carry the vocabulary and has the presence to hold his own with Mama Smoak and Felicity.  Age him a wee bit and yeah he works, for me at least.  And oh how great he and John Barrowman would play off each other.

[romantic idiot]

Regarding villains, I think it's more important to get a good actor, and I don't mind if this is their first "villain" turn, so to speak. So if we are talking Supernatural, it would be fun if they could get Jeffrey Dean Morgan as Felicity's father. Or DD. Or, as Buffy fans if they could get James Marsters. He was up for playing Brainiac. Masters should be able to give the Barrowman fans a run for their money. Too bad they wouldn't be able to afford someone like Josh Charles. 

 

Back to spoliers - I am fairly certain i don't believe MG when he says Conner Hawke won't come into play. Maybe the trick is a different name, but Oliver's son will be a factor this season. I hope to God i'm wrong. 

[catrox14]

Oh gods. If Jeffrey Dean Morgan shows up on the CW as the father of anyone but the Winchesters....my head will explode.

 

I've been re-watching s1 and watching "Dodger" and what a waste of James Callis that was.  And then I thought wait was it ever confirmed that the Dodger was dead? And if not could he be resurrected as Damien Darkh because YES PLEASE. 

[Velocity23]

So the casting director followed Sebastian Roche. *goes in a corner to pray*

[Chaser]

I'll join you.

[catrox14]

So the casting director followed Sebastian Roche. *goes in a corner to pray*

 

 

Are praying in favor of or against Roche and for which character? 

[Morrigan2575]

So the casting director followed Sebastian Roche. *goes in a corner to pray*

Interesting

Oh gods. If Jeffrey Dean Morgan shows up on the CW as the father of anyone but the Winchesters....my head will explode.

I've been waiting and hoping for a return of Papa Winchester for 8 long years. I'll be really pissed if he appeared in anything else (on the CW) first. Edited June 27, 2015 by Morrigan2575

[statsgirl]

It affords me a cynical amusement that this show has developed the habit of killing off really good characters (Moira, Sara), and then scrambling to bring them back to life in some way.  With Sara, it's presumably real life, with Moira, it's a reasonable facsimile.

 

I hope they'll hire a good actress but no matter who it is, she won't have the connection to Oliver that Moira had.

If Moira mentioned her name, that may have given it a reality. Moira was set on paying her off and never thinking of her again. 

Moira's whole motivation, besides covering her own ass, was to protect her children.  In the flashbacks before she got involved with/threatened by MM, it seemed protecting her children was the only motivation she had.

 

She may not have known who Oliver's ONS was before, and I get the feeling she didn't know her and the girl had never met Moira, but even though she paid her to keep Oliver's life from being ruined, I find it hard to believe that she would have just abandoned Oliver's child and her own grandchild. It makes more sense to me that she kept a watching brief on the kid. She was ruthless but she wasn't Ra's-levels cruel.

 

I think this was the same thing as what they did with Ra's and Nanda Parbat. In S1 Malcolm obliquely referenced both without actually saying the words. It's teasing the comic book crowd who ~knows what the show is implying, but leaving it open in case it falls through, or they decide to go another route. Perhaps even while they negotiate with DC Comics for the rights to use the actual characters/places.

 

They did this with Ted Kord too, now that I think about it, only even more blatantly, and then it turned out they lost him, and we got Crazy Eyed Robot.

I think this is the smart thing to do at this point -- they've got a plan to do their version of Connor Hawke but after losing Ted Kord and Deadshot, it makes more sense to give the character another name so as to avoid the same problems.

 

 

I think People's social media can turn off viewers. Look at Adam Baldwin.

Too true. I will never be able to watch Adam Baldwin again with any degree of pleasure, not even when he joined Nathan Fillion on Castle, after that disgusting display where he viciously attacked other people because he was too arrogant to listen when they tried ot tell him that there is a difference between Viagra and birth control pills.

Edited June 27, 2015 by statsgirl

[AyChihuahua]

It's funny, acting-wise, I can't stand JDM.  He breathes too heavily: "Boys [huff] we need [huff] to take down [huff] those vampires [huff]."  He did it in that action movie he was in, too, I think called Misfits?  

[Morrigan2575]

The Losers?

[AyChihuahua]

Yes!  He's handsome and probably a perfectly nice guy, but he either has a medical issue or it's a physical tic he really needs to get rid of.

Edited June 27, 2015 by AyChihuahua

[catrox14]

I've seen JDM in a few things and have never noticed that breathing thing you speak of.

[AyChihuahua]

I've seen JDM in a few things and have never noticed that breathing thing you speak of.

Rewatch the last few episodes of SPN S1.  Once you notice it you can never un-notice it.

[Guest]

So based on that article, Malcolm is the floater character? Did I read that right?

 

Also I really like how the only question related to Felicity is whether or not she's pregnant. NOT. Ugh. 

Edited July 1, 2015 by Guest

[Chaser]

Are you kidding me? That's all they thought to ask about? Stellar journalism guys.

[DrSpaceman10]

I agree, it does sound like Malcolm's the floater. 

 

Hopefully, we'll find out more about Felicity's story line at SDCC, since that article wasn't very encouraging. 

[wonderwall]

Well the article didn't really talk about anything we didn't already know. I'm disappointed that the dude didn't ask about Felicity's father since it's obviously going to be central to her character arc next season......... I hope more will be revealed in SDCC next week

[quarks]

And also what role Felicity might be playing with Palmer Technologies - and exactly what happened to that poor company after she took off on a road trip and the CEO kinda blew up, and what that poor Board of Directors is thinking and just how much money those directors have had to pay for therapy.

[catrox14]

Okay before I said I could not tolerate JDM being Felicity's father....but if they do a wild-ass crossover, which, oh gods...I'll lose my mind in a good way if they make that happen...maybe JDM is still John Winchester and he's Felicity's father. I mean John Winchester probably went to Vegas once or twice on a hunt...just sayin'.

[tarotx]

I wouldn't be shocked if JB is the Floater for LOT. He did kill Sara and he's the new leader of the LOA. An evil organization that Sara was/is a part. But what exactly will be happening on the Flash?

Edited July 2, 2015 by tarotx

[lemotomato]

I'm for Malcom as the floater if it means he spends less time chewing scenery on Arrow.

Edited July 2, 2015 by lemotomato

[Sakura12]

The only way I want to see Malcolm, is dead because Sara, Thea and Nyssa took turns killing him. These writers really need to learn when to let a character go. The longer a villain sticks around the less interesting they are. A series long villain should never be a regular at least until the final season. Keeping them around just makes all the characters look like dumbasses for not taking care of them like they should. 

[AyChihuahua]

Malcolm's continued existence really does show Oliver to be dumb.  Just fricking kill him already.  Slade not being dead isn't such a problem because, among other reasons, I seriously doubt Manu will be back, but Malcolm...I am to the point of wanting him to kill someone Oliver loves, so that Oliver will JUST KILL HIM ALREADY.  Although wait, he already did that, when he killed Tommy and Sara.  So nevermind, Oliver's just a moron.  Like why did he honor his deal and make Malcolm Ra's instead of Nyssa?  He should have given the stupid thimble thing to Nyssa and when Malcolm showed up had everyone there to kill him.  Why do the good guys always have to keep up their ends of the deal when the bad guys never do?  

 

For the record, I find Barry's and Oliver's no-kill stances entirely stupid anyway.  It's a tv show...some people just need killing, and Malcolm is right at the top of that list.

 

At least his ridiculousness will be spread out between three shows. 

[Sakura12]

Not only did Oliver not kill Malcolm for killing his father, Tommy and Sara and hundreds of other people, he gave him control of a bunch of trained killers to continue to kill more people. What a hero. 

[AyChihuahua]

Oh God, his dad, I totally forgot his dad.  Plus the ONLY reason Thea was in any danger from the LOA was bc he used her to kill Sara.  Man Oliver's dumb.

[FurryFury]

A series long villain should never be a regular at least until the final season.

 

I'd say a big villain could work as a regular for 2, maximum 3 seasons. Case in point - Arvin Sloan on Alias, he was all right until they've run out of ways to make him figure into the plot.

 

Also,a good way would be to use a character for a season and then make them appear infrequently (I guess this is what SHIELD is doing with Ward, although he's technically still a regular).

 

But it sure seems like Arrow writers are in love with Barrowman and they don't care if Malcolm has no place on the show or, really, in the whole universe.

 

Please, let the floater be Lyla, let it be Lyla...

Edited July 2, 2015 by FurryFury

[dtissagirl]

From the Spoilers Only thread:

 

One of the early highlights for him has been that “we get to see some characters interact that weren’t always the closest of friends or interacting on a regular basis which is neat when you’re doing new stuff in the fourth season of a show.”

 

Lance/Diggle stakeouts, please. I don't ask for much, show, but GIMME THAT.

 

 

As previously confirmed by Amell in one of his Facebook chats, the action will pick up several months later which is something he says shouldn’t really be looked at as anything out of the ordinary for Arrow. “When I said there was a time jump people were like, ‘Oh my God really?’ I didn’t think that was very spoilery because the show has always followed chronologically when we air. Whenever we’ve taken a break and go off the air from May til October, when we leave it’s May and when we come back it’s October,” he explains.

 

It's a scientifically proven fact, Stephen, the longer someone's on Facebook, the dumber they get.

[wonderwall]

Characters who I'd like to interact more with each other:

-felicity/diggle

-felicity /quentin

-felicity/thea

-diggle/quentin

-diggle/thea

-felicity/nyssa

-malcolm/felicity

-oliver/mama smoak

-quentin/mama smoak

[bethy]

One of the early highlights for him has been that “we get to see some characters interact that weren’t always the closest of friends or interacting on a regular basis which is neat when you’re doing new stuff in the fourth season of a show.”

 

 

It's hard for me to see this as a positive right now given the statements that we're going to see more Laurel next season. I'm going to try to have an open mind about Laurel when the season starts, but if this means we're get additional Laurel-time with everyone to the detriment of TA-time or Diggle/Felicity-time or Diggle/Oliver-time, I'm going to be incredibly disappointed. 

[Belinea]

but if this means we're get additional Laurel-time with everyone to the detriment of TA-time or Diggle/Felicity-time or Diggle/Oliver-time, I'm going to be incredibly disappointed. 

 

I feel like you should prepare yourself because I think that is exactly what we are going to get.

[apinknightmare]

I feel like you should prepare yourself because I think that is exactly what we are going to get.

 

I think so too. 

[Carrie Ann]

Yep, I'm sure that comment is about Laurel too. But I also think/hope that it might be referring to Diggle/Thea, because they laid the groundwork for that with the finale. Plus, it would be pretty cute if Dig was taking on a big (well, an even bigger) brother role with her.

[catahoulamama]

I feel like you should prepare yourself because I think that is exactly what we are going to get.

I'm positive that's what we'll get.  If this show has taught me anything, it's that the EPs have an uncanny ability to give the audience a healthy dose of whatever many *don't* want each season, sprinkled with bits of things we do. Although, they also have a tendency to hype things that turn out to be underwhelming onscreen.  For all the BTS pics and talk of the Dyla wedding last season, when it hit the screen it was like 20 seconds.  So, I guess I'll expect the worst (for me) which would be an overabundance of Laurel, and hope for the best - they're talking up "more Laurel" it so maybe it won't be as much as I fear.

[Guest]

More Diggle/Thea, with him filling in the role of big brother in Oliver's absence? BRING IT. 

 

More Laurel? And at the detriment to my favorite characters? No thanks. Apologies to those who like her, but s3 was the chance to turn her around for me personally and they failed so now I'm not interested. 

 

I thought spoilers and tidbits were supposed to get you excited for a show? I hope SDCC does better than this because right now all I'm thinking is I'll probably be nope-ing out of this show sometime this season. 

[Chaser]

There is no getting around more Laurel with the Team. I just need it be more balanced with Team Arrow moments, which I'm not sure we are going to get. However they are talking more Laurel/Lance, Laurel/Nyssa and I have no doubt she will get a love interest so maybe the meat of her scenes will be elsewhere. It's hard to say because you have to take everything with a grain of salt at this point.

[Password]

At this point I'm just eagerly awaiting San Diego.

I'm sure we'll get good nuggets there.

[olicityfan25]

I hope her scenes are elsewhere also. So I can FF the hell out of them. I can't believe that TV guide magazine and MG. They didn't even talk anything about FS. Ugh

[statsgirl]

Who is the only person they love who was stuck in a corner for most of the first three season and not interacting with the cast at large?  Laurel.

 

They're going to show her girl bonding with Felicity, being Thea's big sister, out fighting with Diggle and Thea, and challenging Oliver.

 

We only wish for Diggle/Quentin scenes.  They'd make more sense than Felicity/Laurel, but I doubt we'll get them.

 

Laurel and John Barrowman are the show's biggest blind spots.  I'm so sick of Malcolm Merlyn, I don't want to see him on The Flash and LoT too.  On the other hand, at least he wouldn't be hogging Arrow again like he did this season.

[wingster55]

Who is the only person they love who was stuck in a corner for most of the first three season and not interacting with the cast at large?  Laurel.

 

Define love. I'd argue that they also love Thea and sidelined her more than Laurel in terms of scenes with the cast as whole. 

[statsgirl]

I define "love" as doing everything, including throwing in the kitchen sink, to make the character work.  She was the love interest, the crusading lawyer, the love interest again, an alcoholic, a Nancy Drew wannabe with Sebastian Blood , out in the field at the end of s2, and Sara's death was more about her becoming the Black Canary than it was about Sara, Oliver or anyone else.  The only thing they didn't try was to turn her dark or leave her as a lawyer.  (A year ago MG said that some characters would reach their comic book potential and others wouldn't.  He lied because everyone did.)

 

I think they love the idea of Thea more than they love the actual character. For two seasons she was a supporting player in everyone else's plot, including her drinking & drugging which was more about Oliver, Moira and Laurel than it was about her. When she finally does catch a break in season 3, it turns out the plot is really about Malcolm and the LoA and Oliver rather than her.  (What a mess that DJ plot was.)  I'd say she didn't start coming into her own as a character until they went to Lian Yu.

 

Thea and Roy got the same treatment in season 3, very well written arcs for the characters but miniscule in terms of screen time compared to Malcolm, Laurel, Ray or even Ra's.

 

If Thea joins the team and it's Oliver, Diggle and Thea in the field, I'll be a happy viewer.  But I'm bracing myself for Laurel, Diggle and Thea in the field, and lots of Laurel/Thea bonding.

Edited July 3, 2015 by statsgirl

[catahoulamama]

If it truly turns into the Laurel show, I'm out. I'll fast forward her to a point, but if she's the center of the Arrowverse this season, it's a pass...I don't care how pretty Stephen is. LOL.

[wingster55]

I really don't know why you would think that after the last three seasons. Laurel's got her focus but she never was shown as much as the main three. 

[Chaser]

I keep trying to write thoughts down about the spoilers, but frankly I got nothing. Everyone is in on the secret so Lance should be interacting with everyone. We know that Ray is going be around to some extent, so that's a character that would be new to the group. I have no idea about Laurel because they are acting like Laurel is finally going to be apart of Team Arrow when they said that last year too. They also said that she is going to be apart of the main plot, but they said that last year too. So I don't know. It's all relevant I guess, their perception is very different from my reality. 

 

I don't care about Laurel anyway, so I'm more interested in the fact that we got nothing on the Oliver/Diggle/Felicity. Nothing that we don't already know at least. Diggle is going to get some kind of 'identity concealment', Oliver is getting a new costume, and Felicity isn't pregnant.