statsgirl February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I think so. But it seems kind of ridiculous now that Oliver is training with him. Oh, Oliver, you're lucky you're good looking. Link to comment
foreverevolving February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Sadly, not even Thea finding out the truth is tempting me to watch that hot mess next week. You kidding? Hallucination Black Canary beating the shit out of Fakcanary? Imma be the happiest bitchiest bitch next week once that scene airs. Songs will be written, parades will be walked, recipes will be invented to celebrate this wonderful event. 3 Link to comment
Guest February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 You kidding? Hallucination Black Canary beating the shit out of Fakcanary? Imma be the happiest bitchiest bitch next week once that scene airs. Songs will be written, parades will be walked, recipes will be invented to celebrate this wonderful event. Haha. I'm not kidding. As much as I might enjoy that, I can totally see her turning it around and beating Canary in the end and no thanks. No way in hell would that ever happen. I've no interest in this story at all. Link to comment
catrox14 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Haha. I'm not kidding. As much as I might enjoy that, I can totally see her turning it around and beating Canary in the end and no thanks. No way in hell would that ever happen. I've no interest in this story at all. But even if she does beat her it's still a hallucination and we know that would never actually happen. But I'm so in for a little bit of the REAL Canary aka Sara taking her pound of flesh from Fakanary 1 Link to comment
Guest February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 But even if she does beat her it's still a hallucination and we know that would never actually happen. But I'm so in for a little bit of the REAL Canary aka Sara taking her pound of flesh from Fakanary I agree, which is what makes it worse. Laurel will likely hallucinate beating her own sister. It's more the message they're sending out than anything. It's gross. Obviously I don't know for sure this is what will happen but if it is that's a giant nope from me. Link to comment
catrox14 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 They might be sending a message but I think they underestimate that SaraCanary has a lot of loyalty and that LaurelCanary winning won't ever be taken seriously and I for one will roll my eyes. 2 Link to comment
looptab February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Yay for Thea finding out! Finally! Also, from the promo it looks like Oliver will intervene in the fight between Laurel and Sara/Vertigo. Link to comment
Genki February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Gods!!! Seriously!! SMDH Link to comment
strikera0 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I think Malcolm is probably going to die at the end of the season. I am envisioning a heroic death for him right about now. Maybe he's going to sacrifice himself for Thea or Oliver. Link to comment
Password February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 They really do love awkward double dates in this universe. I'm reminded of that shambles with Tommy and Laurel and Oliver and Helena. Incidently that's the episode I decided Laurel was a snot and that Oliver should date someone fun like Felicity. And where is Linda Parks? Perhaps she's gone by then but really why must Barry go alone? Neh. Link to comment
SleepDeprived February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Who's that other dude with Felicity, Barry, Iris, Palmer, and Eddie in the pic posted in the spoiler thread? Barry's date? ;) I will laugh forever if it turns out that the person that actually will, finally, be able to make Oliver look at his life and his choices turns out to be Slade Wilson in 3x14. That Slade is the one that makes Oliver realize how misguided it is to turn to the man that caused all his problems and have that man be the one to help train him to get out of the mess that said man made. I think I kind of hope now that Slade will be the one to get Oliver to find another way with the Ra's/Malcolm problem and push him toward figuring out his identity problems about being Oliver Queen and being the Arrow. 1 Link to comment
Sakura12 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 From the extended promo, Caity gives a good creepy smile, it makes me wonder how she would've done as a villain in their original plan for the character. 2 Link to comment
dtissagirl February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I wonder if Malcolm is gonna go Lord of the Flies on Oliver and Thea. "Here's an island, here's the crazy wacko who killed your mother, whoever kills him first becomes my favorite. Ready set go!" 2 Link to comment
tv echo February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I'm having trouble figuring out 3x18. From MG's tumblr responses, we know: Mama Smoak will be physically present in Starling City in the present day, Felicity will be at the hospital due to an injury but we don't know who's injured, the phrase "hospital sex" will be used, Mama Smoak will not interact with any other characters, we'll get a tiny bit more about Felicity's background and/or her dad, and there'll be a 5 seconds' hint of Olicity in that episode. Link to comment
quarks February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 They do still want viewers to tune into Flash, right? Flash fans already sound unhappy about this Ray/Felicity crossover. Making Barry feel like a fifth wheel does not sound encouraging, and add in Ray and Felicity dating, which is already not going over all that well, and....wow. Good luck, Flash! 4 Link to comment
Chaser February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 They called Barry/Felicity and Eddie/Iris a double date too, but it really wasn't so I'm not putting a whole lot of thought into that photo now. Besides, why would Barry be there at all? It may just be a joke. 1 Link to comment
ban1o February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Like why would Barry tag along. It might be some sort of Team up or outings as friends. Link to comment
apinknightmare February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Like why would Barry tag along. It might be some sort of Team up or outings as friends. Maybe they're at fancy trivia night at Jitters?! Honestly, the most disappointing thing about that picture is that Iris has still hitched her wagon to the most boring man alive. But since this isn't the place for that complaint let me just say that I hope they're out to dinner to do some surveillance or something non-mundane. 2 Link to comment
Sunshine February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Perhaps the hard left turn they are taking in 3.15 is Oliver rethinking his working/training with Malcolm? There is a photo of Arrow aiming at Malcolm in that episode. They are at a helipad. Maybe he decides to turn him over to Ra's? It is called Nanda Parbat. IIRC isn't Malcolm responsible for Thea and Oliver ending up on Lian Yu at end of 3.13 for 3.14? Perhaps instead of trying to redeem himself he's still just being emotionally manipulative? I can't decide how sarcastic MG's tumblr response about not bending over backwards to get us to like him (Malcolm)is. 1 Link to comment
Sakura12 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) From Stephen's interview Arrow has been a show about a man's journey from vigilante to hero. In season one, Oliver was a killer. In season two, he took a vow not to kill, going as far as to spare Slade (Manu Bennet), the man who killed his mother Moira (Susanna Thompson). His apparent death in season three is one step more on that journey to hero, says Amell. Yet all anybody else has to do is just put on costume. Poor Oliver was dealt the short end of the stick actually having to give blood, sweat and tears to be a hero. Edited February 5, 2015 by Sakura12 10 Link to comment
Danny Franks February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Anyone want to take a bet that 50 Shades is also on Iris's freebie list? Because the writers aren't completely ripping off everything about Oliver Queen to make this strawman figure. Honestly, the way this show treats Oliver Queen is unbelievably shabby. The writers seem to completely take him for granted as a character, and just figure they can devote all their attentions elsewhere, and Stephen Amell will just do what he can with the nonsense they don't steal from him to give to other people. 1 Link to comment
Password February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Oh I completely forgot Iris fangirled over Oliver. What a wonderful scene that will no doubt be replicated. It WOULD be awkward with her boyfriend there. 1 Link to comment
catrox14 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 So the comments from Stephen about this season and that it will make more sense for Oliver in s4, does that mean I can just not bother to watch the rest of fucking s3? Sigh.. 4 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) Perhaps the hard left turn they are taking in 3.15 is Oliver rethinking his working/training with Malcolm? There is a photo of Arrow aiming at Malcolm in that episode. They are at a helipad. Maybe he decides to turn him over to Ra's? It is called Nanda Parbat. Maybe 3.15 is when Oliver tips his hand as to the long game he's playing with Malcolm and we find out Oliver or Malcolm has been colluding with Ra's. Or something. We've been spending this whole season thinking Malcolm's running from Ra's, but what if he's not? Or...something, I don't know. Edited February 5, 2015 by apinknightmare Link to comment
dtissagirl February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 So this season is a crucible for the audience? OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL STUCK IN THAT ISLAND. 19 Link to comment
Danny Franks February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 So this season is a crucible for the audience? OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL STUCK IN THAT ISLAND. On the plus side, that makes you all heroes afterwards. And I'd say your journey was actually harder than Laurel's. Kudos to you all. 9 Link to comment
catrox14 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Are they going to send me a cool mask soon? 1 Link to comment
calliope1975 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Are they going to send me a cool mask soon? Okay, guys, what's my cool code name going to be? Do I keep Calliope? And my weapon of choice? I'd like to formally invite everyone into the PTV's Justice League. I'll bring donuts to the first meeting. 7 Link to comment
Sakura12 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Did you all sign up for your 1 month of boxing lessons? You can't forget that crucial step into becoming a hero! 5 Link to comment
Guest February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) I've been hoping for a team up with Ra's. Malcolm has always seemed way worse, IMO, and he is the root cause of every single problem this season. Ra's would never have come after Oliver otherwise. Malcolm needs to be taken out, Ra's style with a sword in the chest. Or throat. I'm not fussy tbh. So yeah. I hope this team up with Malcolm doesn't happen, or there's a twist. Please let there be a twist. I can't take the stupid. Edited February 5, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
Chaser February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) Wow Triple post Edited February 5, 2015 by 10Eleven12 Link to comment
Chaser February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I've been hoping for a team up with Ra's. Malcolm has always seemed way worse, IMO, and he is the root cause of every single problem this season. Ra's would never have come after Oliver otherwise. Malcolm needs to be taken out, Ra's style with a sword in the chest. Or throat. I'm not fussy tbh. So yeah. I hope this team up with Malcolm doesn't happen, or there's a twist. Please let there be a twist. I can't take the stupid. Why limit it to this season? He sabotaged the Gambit. He is responsible for EVERYTHING 2 Link to comment
SonofaBiscuit February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Are they going to send me a cool mask soon? Look down one day and it will magically appear at your feet. 3 Link to comment
catrox14 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I'm going to be WinCanary (as in WinchesterCanary because I want my Dean Winchester/SaraCanary meet up.). My costume will be plaid of some sort. Link to comment
Guest February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) Why limit it to this season? He sabotaged the Gambit. He is responsible for EVERYTHING Exactly. He's been this looming big bad ever since s1, which is why I am stunned that Oliver offered him protection, why Thea even acknowledges that he exists and calls him dad, why anyone would even consider working with him. The logic has failed completely and it's so frustrating to watch. I'm thisclose to cutting ties with this show and its bullshit. They think their audience is stupid and it's insulting. Edited February 5, 2015 by Guest Link to comment
Carrie Ann February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 If there's a twist that Oliver and/or the team have been secretly working with Ra's or against Malcolm--and if that ruse stretches over multiple episodes or even most of the season--they need to be really, really careful with how that comes off, because it's a super cheap trick to pull a Mansion-style ruse on the audience. It often just feels like weak storytelling, that you had to tell a fake story to your audience to hide the real kicker, because otherwise you'd have no tension. And you burn trust that we can believe what we're seeing. But you know, they do love jump-the-shark moments apparently, so. 1 Link to comment
blixie February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I don't think Oliver has any secret alliance with Ra's, I think it's far more likely Ra's is running a long game on Oliver, using Malcolm and Maseo and maybe Tommy and/or Sara. It's funny Steven talked about being on his knees before Ra's. And all I cant think of is this: Only he'll defeat Ra's with weapons, friends, AND Hope! Heh. 1 Link to comment
Guest February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I don't think there's a secret team up with Ra's yet. I think Ra's might offer Oliver the chance to team up and hopefully Oliver will agree, if it gets rid of Malcolm. I suppose it all depends what happens on the island with Slade. Malcolm must take them there for a reason. Link to comment
looptab February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I keep thinking this "hard left turn that no-one saw coming" has to do with Nyssa. Mostly because I don't want Nyssa to just be a prop for Laurel.:) 2 Link to comment
apinknightmare February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) I'm wondering if they're really gearing Malcolm up for redemption, or if they were just heavy-handed with the good guy talk last night so a) we could see how hoodwinked Thea is, b) it would give Roy some leverage in the Laurel/Roy vs. Felicity/Diggle fight for the team up, and c) make Oliver maybe not look so cray for teaming up with him and continuously keeping the secret that Malcolm had/(has?) drugged her? I have a feeling this good guy stuff might be dropped pretty quickly. Edited February 5, 2015 by apinknightmare Link to comment
blixie February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 I'm wondering if they're really gearing Malcolm up for redemption, I really don't think so, you don't remind your audience of every horrible thing (531 people!) the dude has done whilst arguing for that redemption, and and at the same time show him being just as smug/arrogant as ever through most of it. I think we're supposed to see that Oliver wants to believe in redemption for anyone, because he's been that "killer" too, not to Malcolm's magnitude, he killed to survive, and then out of vegeance/misbegotten "justice", but still, he's got a LOT of bodies/souls on his conscience, he has to allow for the possibility, if he wants to be karmically forgiven. In that respect, sure I think he is on some level legitimately trying to get through to the Malcolm who was a maybe a good guy before his wife died (I don't think he was, but I'll throw him a bone). Still, I don't think that is in any way blinding him to the facts of who and what Malcolm is, and how far he can trust him, he thinks he's being pragmatic (wrong thing right reason), he thinks he's protecting Thea. He thinks he's being a good brother even if he's being a bad Hero, but really two things can be true Oliver, your are a middling Hero AND you are a really shitty brother. I'd actually like Diggle to have a talk with Oliver about all this (ends justify the means stuff) by comparing him to Amanda Waller, I think that might shake Oliver up in ways nothing else has. 5 Link to comment
Starfish35 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 TVLine posted the pic from the Suicide Squad episode (already posted in the Spoilers thread). I'm actually kind of looking forward to that episode. I liked Cupid, and the episode should be mostly free from a lot of the more annoying elements of this season - at least I hope so. 3 Link to comment
Menrva February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Looking forward to Suicide Squad, because I really love watching Diggle and Lyla work together, and Deadshot brings so much to what could have been a typical VotW. And Cupid could bring an interesting dynamic to it as well. So, I've got 6 months of karate and still a white belt, but I think I'm totally ready to put on a mask and lots of buckles and go kick some ass. Maybe buckles give you super strength. Yeah, that's it. And I'm a bad liar, so I ought to be a great fighter too. 6 Link to comment
Chaser February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Watching Oliver make that deal just reminded me of a couple things: The path to Hell is paved with good intentions. You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become a Villain. 7 Link to comment
thuganomics85 February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) I'm certainly looking forward to the Suicide Squad episode, because anything involving them means that Diggle finally gets to do things. And David Ramsey is really at his best, when it ends up being him as the normal person in a sea of crazy. And, yes, I get a kick out of the Diggle/Deadshot relationship for some reason. I guess it's because I don't feel like the show is "redeeming" Deadshot, but just showing that all of his bad acts are just business, and Diggle is just putting up with it, because there are worst things out there. Edited February 5, 2015 by thuganomics85 3 Link to comment
tv echo February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) I keep thinking this "hard left turn that no-one saw coming" has to do with Nyssa. Mostly because I don't want Nyssa to just be a prop for Laurel.:) I have a feeling this twist is not going to be as unexpected as MG thinks, since fans are speculating about every possible scenario under the sun. He said something like the story will go in a direction we're not expecting. Well, right now we're expecting Oliver to have another showdown with Ra's - because training with Malcolm and whatnot. But remember the spoiler about how Ra's reaction to Oliver the second go-around will be surprising? So the theory that Ra's doesn't want to fight Oliver again but perhaps makes an offer to him is certainly possible. I'm tired of this trend that mass murdering villains can or should be redeemed (Once Upon a Time, Sleepy Hollow). I want to join the PTV Justice League (waving hand in air)! My codename will be Echo. I can type really fast - so that should totally qualify me to be a superhero in the Arrow world. Edited February 5, 2015 by tv echo 4 Link to comment
SonofaBiscuit February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 (edited) Oh geez. Now Oliver is actually considering saving Malcolm when he's captured by Ra's. So dumb. And more Felicity w/ Ray...please stop. Edited February 5, 2015 by SonofaBiscuit 1 Link to comment
ban1o February 5, 2015 Share February 5, 2015 Oliver is seriously going to save Malcolm? I`m so over this redemption stuff for Malcolm. This is BS. Link to comment
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