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Skeeter22
Skeeter22

I think you mean Gary Hawkins, landscaper.

pennben
pennben

I guess I don't need the description of what led to this moment to match perfectly to the photo to believe the story. I assume Shirin and his other sources looked at the photo and realized, "oh, yeah,

pennben
pennben

I'm giggling again....if you can't visualize Abi being furious at Terry one day and then bonding with him three days later, I don't know what show you are watching! Did Terry say it, or something to t

LadyChatts

LadyChatts

I also will cut Terry a little slack regarding his idol play during EI (and I hate giving this guy any sort of benefit of the doubt or credit).  The idol was in its 2nd season, Terry was in the minority alliance and knew he'd likely be a target.  So by todays standards, someone could probably come up with that logic of using it on Nick, getting rid of Aras, and giving your alliance the majority, back then the game still was about numbers with no real life line unless someone flipped.  Heck, how many seasons went by before anyone used the idol on anyone other than themselves?  Of course, in some cases, the idol holder didn't really need to as they thought they had a solid majority.  And then they'd get voted out with their own idol in their pocket.

 

That said, I still think his game during EI was horrible, and aligning with weaker people just because they were goats when your tribe was on a horrendous losing streak wasn't too bright, either.

AG921

AG921

 

I don't think that is clear at all as for we know Terry is standing next to Woo. All we know is that they are glaring at someone off to their right.

 

I can't say for sure because this picture isn't the exact picture that was shared above, but there is a press photo that looks to be taken at the same time and it is Vytas that is standing next to Woo.

 

My guess is that Shirin honestly thought this picture was from that exact moment or she knew if occurred around the same time and thought it was a good opportunity to bring it up.

 

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LadyChatts

LadyChatts

Yeah, it'll be interesting if someone picks up on that in the press circuit and asks Terry, Shirin, or Abi about it.  If that happens and Shirin says he did, in fact, say that, she better hope she'll have people backing her up.  I thought going into this season, Shirin would be the new Stephenie or Sugar and sink herself the second time.  Looks like I wasn't too far off.

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fishcakes

fishcakes

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I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I followed the replies on that tweet back and Jeff Varner confirms it:

 

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ETA: @pennben, it's still there, but it's buried pretty far back. The person who mentioned that Varner confirmed it said that Wentworth and Abi also did, but I didn't feel like going through their old tweets as well, since all these people are far too yappy and seem to tweet all day long.

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Wings

Wings

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Okay. That is enough for me.  Varner is a long time favorite of mine.  He has no reason to lie.  AND he loves Shirin. There you have it.  I am satisfied.  

 

Terry was probably confident to say "I didn't say that" because she did not quote him accurately, word for word.  An easy out. 

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LadyChatts

LadyChatts

After the tribe swap, Terry had the male alliance of Nick, Austin, and Dan, along with Ruth, who was probably used for a vote. I remember not liking Terry's attitude at wanting to be in charge and this certain arrogance about him. Plus, I likes the two younger girls on his tribe that he got rid of (or in the case of Sally, planned on getting rid of). I think his game strategy was all wrong that season from the start. However, having an all boys alliance is nothing new. I don't remember any specifics of him being rude to Cirie or any of the girls. I don't think he thought they were strong or as capable as the men, but again, that's nothing new. I think Shirins got issues that she needs to get sorted out.

pennben

pennben

I do recall he clashed with Cirie quite a bit toward the end, but she gave it right back to him.  One night, after he was blindsided yet again at a tribal I recall there being a kerfuffle between him and her over where torches were put back at camp and he infuriated her.....sorry, its been so long I don't recall the specifics more than that.

pennben

pennben

I went and read some quick ep summaries to see.  She set her torch down in the dark and it was in the path and he tripped over it and got mad.  I love Cirie so I would think if it was bad I'd dislike Terry but I never did. 

 

Oh, I don't think it was bad, I just remember them going back and forth several times toward the end, and that was one specific one that jumped out at me.  I don't hate Terry at all, indeed I really enjoyed listening to his interview on RHAP when he was campaigning to get back on this season.  There was just something about how entitled he felt to the win in his original season throughout (and had he made it to the finals he absolutely deserved the win), that I just took great glee when plan after plan of his failed and he was blindsided in so many tribals after the merge.  I had forgotten how much that amused me until I watched this first episode and it happened again!

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LadyChatts

LadyChatts

Terry getting blindsided was a highlight!  I loved to see that smug cockiness of being in charge and calling the shots wiped off his face.  If only the little stinker didn't have the immunity run.  I haven't watched EI in years, and Terry and his dominance after the merge is a large part why.  I was hoping he wouldn't even make it back this time, but knew it was likely a forgone conclusion.

LadyChatts

LadyChatts

Terry was a II challenger daemon. It annoyed the others to no end which was hysterical. It's sort of like how everyone was annoyed when Mike Holloway kept winning II and couldn't be voted out. Don't hate the player....Hate the game as the old saying goes, right?

 

Difference for me is, I didn't like the people left once Mike started dominating-and I really loved that it rubbed Dan the wrong way.  Seeing that stupid expression on his face at the last two TC when Mike walked in with the IC necklace was priceless. 

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pennben

pennben

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http://survivoroz.com/2014/08/26/random-episode-of-the-week-panama-episode-14call-the-whamulence/

That is a good summary of the episode.  

 

I recall Aras making that remark and we were thinking, "What?"  Then later Terry said to Aras it was uncalled for and Aras agreed and apologized and said he crossed a line and Aras said Terry never said anything about women out there.  Who knows.  I think the worst (that we saw) was his comparing Cirie leaving her torch in the path to his kids leaving toys lying around.  Eh, I get annoyed when I trip over someone's shit, too.  

 

To me, it wasn't like a lot of the bullying that the "men in power" (or thinking they're in power) do to the "annoying girls not in power".  Remember Coach and Sierra in Tocantins?  He was a total asshole to her from day one.  Tyson, too.  Terry had no power there at the end.  

 

Yes, that was a good summary.  I just went back to watch those few minutes, Terry/Cirie went at it for a bit (as far as I could tell Cirie laid her torch down near a tree, although part was sticking out away from the tree) during which neither wrapped themselves in glory. Then Aras jumped in, and escalated it from something between Cirie/Terry, into something much bigger (Terry doesn't respect women)  and it looked like Danielle did jump in as well.  At the end, Cirie rightly recognized that Terry was likely looking for something to vent about because he was frustrated that he lost Shane in the tribal they were returning from (another blindside, hee!) and he chose her to vent on. 

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phlebas

phlebas

The only reason I'm hoping Abi makes it to the jury is so she can bust chops about her bracelet at FTC. 

 

I've never had much opinion about Terry one way or the other.  His challenge run in Panama was amazing, but he did seem to be one fluffy pornstache away from channelling Magnum P.I.  I remember him being a little condescending to then-24-year-old Danielle.

 

I'm trying to forget what I know about everyone for S31, since people do change. Maybe mid-50s Terry will be different.  After one episode, I'm able to maintain that for everyone who isn't freaking out about the world's ugliest bracelet.

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pennben

pennben

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I'm just going to put this here, because it is Terry-specific, even though it is about tonight's episode.  I realize now that I'm never going to be able to not laugh at Terry in tribal.  When he gets blindsided, as is usually the case, I have laughed many times.  Tonight he was so proud that he actually played the social game well for a few days, I laughed out loud!

 

I think seeing him at tribal may be one of my favorite things that I have forgotten since his season!

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Squirrely

Squirrely

Well now we know why Abi has had nothing but nice things to say about Terry despite what allegedly happened last episode.

And we see that in a roundabout way, Terry was responsible for Shirin going home... Just gives me more reason to doubt her version of whatever the heck happened with that clue reading.

Could the editing monkeys really have left something like that on the cutting room floor, what with this being the Abi show so far? And could Abi have so easily forgiven Terry? Maybe, but I'm not buying it yet.

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LanceM

LanceM

And we see that in a roundabout way, Terry was responsible for Shirin going home... Just gives me more reason to doubt her version of whatever the heck happened with that clue reading.

Could the editing monkeys really have left something like that on the cutting room floor, what with this being the Abi show so far? And could Abi have so easily forgiven Terry? Maybe, but I'm not buying it yet.

 

Well they allegedly talked for two hours on that beach that night so yeah I could see that happening.

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pennben

pennben

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And could Abi have so easily forgiven Terry? Maybe, but I'm not buying it yet.

 

I'm giggling again....if you can't visualize Abi being furious at Terry one day and then bonding with him three days later, I don't know what show you are watching! Did Terry say it, or something to that effect, in my opinion, it is very likely.  Clearly it wasn't something that Abi would [redacted, redacted] Terry over about as they aligned.  Would she have [redacted, redacted] Terry over about it had they not aligned, who knows. 

 

Too many sources have said something was said.  I assume Terry said something.  Whether that makes him a horrible human or an ass in the moment, I'm going with the latter.

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LadyChatts

LadyChatts

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I only heard Varner and Redmond confirm it.  I'm more willing to believe Jeff, someone actually there, than Redmond, who heard it second/third/fourth hand.  I'm also going with it being a serious lapse in judgement for Terry; maybe he meant it as a joke and it obviously didn't go over well.  Regardless, he and Abi seem cool.  Shirin may be upset because her second chance failed miserably, and by the time the finale rolls around, she'll be lucky if she even gets acknowledged.  Plus, she had to go to loser lodge with Vytas and wait 3 days for the next person to arrive.  I still don't like Terry, but I do agree with you pennben.  Terry's faces during Panama went from me wanting to slap him to point and laugh.  So far I'm having the latter reaction this time, between last week and this week.  I was questioning if Terry learned anything, but maybe he has in regards to his social game.  

 

Could the editing monkeys really have left something like that on the cutting room floor, what with this being the Abi show so far? And could Abi have so easily forgiven Terry? Maybe, but I'm not buying it yet.

 

 

As a few other posters said, the reason they may not have shown it was, given the ugliness from last season, they may have wanted to avoid anything like that again.  I don't know if that is the reason.  If someone else made the comment, I question if it would have been aired. 

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kikaha

kikaha

Now we see why Shirin felt compelled to throw shade at Terry.  Oh Ironies, what clever tricks you play! 

 

Whatever happened with treemail, Terry turned out to be Abi's defender.  Her knight in white armor, who backed her when everyone else had shunned her. 

 

Shirin turned out to be one of those laughing at Abi.  Pretty despicable for Shirin to try and turn that around, to make Terry the bad guy with Abi.  As Jeff  pointed out at tribal, this was especially ironic (I would say callous and insensitive), since Shirin had sort of been in Abi's position last season.  Shirin herself felt abandoned and ostracized.  That is the only reason (IMO) she made it back this season. 

 

Of course, back then just one person was fighting with Shirin.  This time Shirin and much of her crew ganged up on Abi. 

 

For me personally, this season is off to a great start.  I most hoped Vytas would get clipped first.  And the more I saw/heard of Shirin, the more I wanted her gone as well. 

 

My personal likes/dislikes aside, another fantastic episode.  Man, is this game fluid.  While I'm not a fan of such an early shuffle, probably necessary to prevent a clean sweep of the losing tribe. 

 

Two tribes into three?  Numbers are so small, very hard for anyone to hide after the shuffle.   

 

This shuffle may prove a godsend for Stephen. 

 

What will Joey Superman do next?  Figure out a way to capture Internet broadcasts, so he and his tribemates can talk with their loved ones at home each night? 

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NutMeg

NutMeg

I was questioning if Terry learned anything, but maybe he has in regards to his social game.

I think he lucked out more than anything. Despite how he'll try to spin it.

 

It's normal practice after the merge to try and court the bottom of the other alliance to get the numbers. It just started early this year. And Terry can be as happy as he wants that he's "playing the social game", I still say he did, by accident. 

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Jersey Guy 87

Jersey Guy 87

And we see that in a roundabout way, Terry was responsible for Shirin going home... Just gives me more reason to doubt her version of whatever the heck happened with that clue reading.

 

I think Terry was completely responsible for Shirin going home. He got Abi on his side, Varner was happy to work together and they viewed Shirin and Spencer as the biggest threats.  I think the decision to get Shirin over Spencer was because Terry (rightly) sensed that Abi was most upset at Shirin and making Shirin the target would help cement the relationship with Abi.

 

I think he lucked out more than anything. Despite how he'll try to spin it.

 

It's normal practice after the merge to try and court the bottom of the other alliance to get the numbers. It just started early this year. And Terry can be as happy as he wants that he's "playing the social game", I still say he did, by accident. 

 

There was no merge.  Terry was on the bottom, no doubt, but I think he saw Abi being picked on and upset and decided to talk with her.  He's said, repeatedly, that he knows he has to improve his social game.  He talked with Abi, he showed her sympathy and he got her on his side.  Terry had a poor social game last time out, last night he played it extremely well.  He could still well blow it (if he starts to feel in control of the game, say) but last night was a good job by Terry.

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NutMeg

NutMeg

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It was a good job by Terry - but only because Abi Maria does not know how to play the game.

 

Contrast with all his attempt to bring players to his side on his first season - they were misfits, at the bottom of their alliance and/or crazy, but they still know not to buy what he was selling. And with good reason, IMHO.

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Squirrely

Squirrely

I'm giggling again....if you can't visualize Abi being furious at Terry one day and then bonding with him three days later, I don't know what show you are watching! Did Terry say it, or something to that effect, in my opinion, it is very likely. Clearly it wasn't something that Abi would [redacted, redacted] Terry over about as they aligned. Would she have [redacted, redacted] Terry over about it had they not aligned, who knows.

Too many sources have said something was said. I assume Terry said something. Whether that makes him a horrible human or an ass in the moment, I'm going with the latter.

What I'm saying if he was truly nasty and insulting to her in the way Shirin has reported (and all I've seen otherwise is a vague "yep" from Varner so I'm on the fence until something more definitive comes out), I do have a hard time seeing her forgive so easily. The woman couldn't wait to run to everyone in the tribe over a junky bracelet incident and still get in PG's face over every little thing possible days later. So a one-off joke? Totally possible. Nasty comments made multiple times? I just don't know.

So yeah, I'm watching the same show you are. I don't have a PhD in all things Abi, nor do I want to. ;)

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seasick

seasick

Here is your Terry Deitz topic.

 

I guess I'm not able to quote the entire first post, but it says that Terry was the second castaway to find a HII  but the first on Exile Island.   I just re-watched Season 12 Panama Exile Isand--Terry's first season,  and to my knowledge that was the first season of the HII.  In fact, they were actually able to present it AFTER the votes were read if they were not in their favor!   And they could use it up to and INCLUDING the final four TC.  (glad the rules have changed since then)

I just started re-watching  Season 11- Guatemala to see if the HII was on that one--so far no.

 

So who had a previous HII and what season was it on.?    Thanks

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