S07.E18: Rumble On The Runway

[AnnA]

Be warned about gel polish. It lasts forever, but it's very difficult to remove. My mom even went to Sally's and bought special remover, but still couldn't get it off. She had to go to the salon.

 

Thank you for letting me know.  I definitely won't bother with it now. 

 

I just cut my hair into a short pixie because I just can't be bothered with a blow dryer and a bazillion hair products.

 

You could say that I've moved from low maintenance to no maintenance and I love it.

Edited August 9, 2015 by AnnA

[breezy424]

I think this is probably true.  But her print advertising, even the colors displayed aren't very pop-y.  Lots of pale pink, beige, white, black.  On WWHL she displayed pale khaki nails. When you say Pop of Color, girl, give me color.  Cuz black, white and grey aren't really 'colors'.  That said, I kind of like the lilac purple on the end there and go look for a similar shade today.  If PoC were in my area, I'd try the real thing because I don't mind Kristen and would support her brand if it was a good product.

Hey Rye, I get what you're saying about 'pop' but I see at least five colors there that I would definitely be interested in trying.  Yeah, if they were available in my area (no Ricky's around here), I definitely would try them.  Don't know how good they are with staying on but definitely would use them with OPI base coat and quick dry top coat. 

[yourmomiseasy]

I think this is probably true.  But her print advertising, even the colors displayed aren't very pop-y.  Lots of pale pink, beige, white, black.  On WWHL she displayed pale khaki nails. When you say Pop of Color, girl, give me color.  Cuz black, white and grey aren't really 'colors'.  That said, I kind of like the lilac purple on the end there and go look for a similar shade today.  If PoC were in my area, I'd try the real thing because I don't mind Kristen and would support her brand if it was a good product.

 

This Zoya might be a decent dupe:  http://www.zoya.com/content/item/Zoya/Zoya_Nail_Polish_Jana_ZP564.html

This Elevation one is another good option:  http://elevationpolish.bigcartel.com/product/colline-du-charf

Both of those might be darker than you're looking for though.  I have a few other mauve/lilac leaning taupey nudes, but I'm too lazy to go look and see what they are.

 

I understand the criticism of the use "Pop of Color"  but I really like and prefer wearing more muted neutral colors.   They don't clash with whatever I'm wearing and most of all don't show chips as much..  The problem I see with Kristen's polish is the tall thin bottle.  I gave up manicures at the salon a while back and only go for pedicures in the warm weather.  Since I do my nails myself, tipping over a bottle of polish is a concern and those bottles don't look too stable to me.  That's one of the reasons I like Opi and Sally Hansen polish.  The bottles are wide.

 

Kristen may want to look into including a gel polish.  I haven't tried them yet but plan to do it since it allegedly lasts longer.

 

Julep uses the same shaped bottles.  I haven't tipped one over yet, but I don't like them.  I do like the shape for storage though.

[breezy424]

This Zoya might be a decent dupe:  http://www.zoya.com/content/item/Zoya/Zoya_Nail_Polish_Jana_ZP564.html

This Elevation one is another good option:  http://elevationpolish.bigcartel.com/product/colline-du-charf

Both of those might be darker than you're looking for though.  I have a few other mauve/lilac leaning taupey nudes, but I'm too lazy to go look and see what they are.

 

 

Julep uses the same shaped bottles.  I haven't tipped one over yet, but I don't like them.  I do like the shape for storage though.

Yeah, the shape of the bottles do make me a bit nervous.  But gosh, I would like to have a bottle with a brush that actually gets to the bottom without having to tip it way over - that's my biggest peeve.

 

Do those brands actually stay on without chipping off after a few days?

[yourmomiseasy]

Both Zoya and Elevation work well for me.  Zoya stays on the longer of the two, it goes forever without chipping, especially if you use their base and top coat.  If you sign up for the Zoya mailing list they send out a lot of specials and promo codes.

[DebbieM4]

Both Zoya and Elevation work well for me.  Zoya stays on the longer of the two, it goes forever without chipping, especially if you use their base and top coat.  If you sign up for the Zoya mailing list they send out a lot of specials and promo codes.

 

I've been using Zoya for a few years, and I really love it.  The staying power is good, but what I love most is the variety of colors.  LOTS to choose from!  I have a very large nail polish collection, and Zoya outnumbers all the others by a mile.   (I've never used their base or top coats.)  I have everything from matte to metallic, muted colors to brights, pretty much everything.  Nail polish is one of my guilty pleasures, and I love to indulge!  

 

I could easily get to Ricky's, but have absolutely no interest in Pop of Color.   There's not one single thing about it that tempts me in the slightest.

[breezy424]

OK, I'll admit to being to naive about Zoya.  Especially after doing a locator search.  One salon came up in my area and only one salon came up in the area where I used to live.  Nothing at Ulta, Sephora or Harmon - my staples.

[yourmomiseasy]

I've only seen it in one store in person.  I always just order from the Zoya website.  The info on the site is usually pretty accurate, but you can also google for swatches of the color you're interested in, there are tons of nail polish blogs and most of them seem to swatch Zoya. I like to look at the blog swatches because they usually have indoor, outdoor, flash, no flash, etc. You can also order color spoons from the site and when you place a polish order they always include the spoons for the current collections. the spoons are little swatches that look like fake nails and you can hold them over your nail to see how a color will look with your skintone.

Edited August 9, 2015 by yourmomiseasy

[jaync]

Did anyone like Bethenny's hair straight? I think every friggin' one of them told her that at the fashion show. Couldn't the writers come up with a different opening line for the other HW's to greet her with?

They probably figured it was less disingenuous than "Hi, it's good to see you!".

 

Since I do my nails myself, tipping over a bottle of polish is a concern and those bottles don't look too stable to me.

It appears the bottles are weighted with extra glass at the bottom, so maybe they're more stable than they look?

 

Insincere listener...add it to the list!

[ryebread]

Insincere listener...add it to the list!

 

The list is long...but insincere listener - ADDED! But this is one time I've been sympathetic to Holla. I'll bet she's listened to a lot of Writer Girl's "colorful" Wiki-editing, Gummi-popping, Urn-smuggling, Boy-blowing stories.  I wonder if Adam has been regaled with That Time I Wore a Bear Suit story.  Or That Time I Wore Sunglasses and a Scarf to Spy on Sonja's Facialist story.

 

Heather's eyes glazing over while listening to Carole doesn't surprise me.  Heather likes to be in control and even Carole says it's hard getting a word in edgewise when Heather's talking.  Listening to Carole, or anyone else for that matter, must me hard, man.  She looked tuned out halfway through Urn Story and resorted to polite nodding and blankly grinning. I felt her pain.

[Babyfoot]

I actually really like Heather - on this show. (Psst. I'm a terrible judge of reality show character as I liked Jill Zarin, Rock Of Love, and Caroline Stanbury.) I didn't find her disingenuous when Carole was relating the urn story. This scene felt very produced and directed by Bravo overlords, though, i.e., "Carole, you tell your urn story and then Heather, we'll record your reaction." They do seem to have a genuine friendship in spite of Bravo's clumsy orchestration.

[ZaldamoWilder]

Ana, try the gels if you're so inclined, the staying power is so worth not going back every week.  I'm really hard on my hands but can get nearly 3 weeks out of a gel.   The ones used in my fave salon are ibd brand.  I mention it so you're not discouraged by removal, but if you get one of those plastic dollar store finger bowls and soak each hand for 25 minutes straight, it'll peel right off in one piece.  I can't speak to the other brands.  

 

[talula]

Ana, try the gels if you're so inclined, the staying power is so worth not going back every week. I'm really hard on my hands but can get nearly 3 weeks out of a gel. The ones used in my fave salon are ibd brand. I mention it so you're not discouraged by removal, but if you get one of those plastic dollar store finger bowls and soak each hand for 25 minutes straight, it'll peel right off in one piece. I can't speak to the other brands.

Summer experiment: I purchased two of Mally's gel kits (pink case included for storage) from QVC. Now I have two of everything, lol. I can do two mani/pedis at one time, cutting the time in half. Did my pedi at the beginning of July and it looks like new today! I discovered I can fill-in my finger nails. I have done that three times since the beginning of July. My nails look terrifically shiny and perfect!

The gel nail polish has a really smooth and even application compared to regular polish. The high gloss shine of the gel nail kit is long wearing and superior to anything I've ever experienced. Oh I almost forgot my nails have grown sooooo long I've had to file them all down twice. For the first time I have all 10 natural nails...no acrylic nails again.

Edited August 10, 2015 by talula

[imjagain]

I do think Heather has agreed to leave because no one wants her help and she doesn't want to be the one handing out the discipline. I think she has bigger and better things to do like run a company she help start and her No Barriers campaign which requires tons of working out and preparation and of course raising her children and being a wife. I have been amazed she was able to devote as much time as she has to the show. I also think at some point the exposure become more of a negative than a positive. Three years is about the time you have made your mark.

I don; think the make Heather the root of all their problems I just don't think they want Heather up in their grill with her opinion. .

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

One great example is Sonja blaming Heather for something Beth admitted saying. Sonja ignored Beth, Sonja wanted to blame Heather, so she did.

I think it's more (at least for me) the nit picking everything Heather does that drives me crazy with these women.

Heather walks in the room and greets them and they don't like it. So they huddle up and say oh she thinks she's a "black rapper".

It's all so petty, yeah I know it's the show.

The whole season imo has been to single out Heather and just how flawed she is. .

Meanwhile Ramona acts like a complete asshole and nobody cares, even Heather.

Edited August 10, 2015 by imjagain

[archer1267]

They do seem to have a genuine friendship in spite of Bravo's clumsy orchestration.

 

 

 

One scene that I thought was unstaged nd real was when the two of them were getting pretty drunk at a bar (post St. Barth's) and Heather said "I love you, Radz," and Carole got all embarrassed and didn't know how to respond. She said something to the effect of "I'm not good with this sort of thing," but it was clear that she was touched, too.

[shoegal]

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

One great example is Sonja blaming Heather for something Beth admitted saying. Sonja ignored Beth, Sonja wanted to blame Heather, so she did.

I think it's more (at least for me) the nit picking everything Heather does that drives me crazy with these women.

Heather walks in the room and greets them and they don't like it. So they huddle up and say oh she thinks she's a "black rapper".

It's all so petty, yeah I know it's the show.

The whole season imo has been to single out Heather and just how flawed she is. .

Meanwhile Ramona acts like a complete asshole and nobody cares, even Heather.

Sonja didn't blame Heather for what Bethenny said, Bethenny asked "Do you usually say that stuff in front of the model?" And Heather answered "No" then put her hand on Sonja's arm and said "you don't say that in front of them, ...(something unintelligible...) keep your comments to yourself". And then continued after protests from Sonja, "No, you just say thank you for coming...". Sonja defended herself and said that she selected the models, so anything she says to them is not an insult and Bethenny says "you're right, no, no, you're right". Sonja was upset about what Heather said, Bethenny claiming it was really her and not Heather shouldn't mean that Sonja can't be bothered by anything Heather said. IMO at least.

Ramona gets criticized plenty by the other ladies...Bethenny, Carole, LuAnn, Kristen....they've all had problems with Ramona and called her out. Even Heather has criticized and fought with Ramona. Only Sonja and Dorinda seem to be unwilling to criticize Ramona in any real way.

I feel like all the women get nitpicked. Heather shouldn't get kid glove treatment IMO.

Edited August 10, 2015 by shoegal

[AnnA]

Sonja didn't blame Heather for what Bethenny said, Bethenny asked "Do you usually say that stuff in front of the model?" And Heather answered "No" then put her hand on Sonja's arm and said "you don't say that in front of them, ...(something unintelligible...) keep your comments to yourself". And then continued after protests from Sonja, "No, you just say thank you for coming...". Sonja defended herself and said that she selected the models, so anything she says to them is not an insult and Bethenny says "you're right, no, no, you're right". Sonja was upset about what Heather said, Bethenny claiming it was really her and not Heather shouldn't mean that Sonja can't be bothered by anything Heather said. IMO at least.

Ramona gets criticized plenty by the other ladies...Bethenny, Carole, LuAnn, Kristen....they've all had problems with Ramona and called her out. Even Heather has criticized and fought with Ramona. Only Sonja and Dorinda seem to be unwilling to criticize Ramona in any real way.

I feel like all the women get nitpicked. Heather shouldn't get kid glove treatment IMO.

 

 

I didn't see it that way and neither did Bethenny.   She told Sonja that she was the one who said it first.

 

 Bethenny brought up the subject of speaking in front of the models and when Heather agreed, Sonja took offense.  

 

I agree with you that Heather shouldn't get kid glove treatment (none of them should) but I also feel that for whatever reason, Heather was targeted this season.

[shoegal]

I didn't see it that way and neither did Bethenny.   She told Sonja that she was the one who said it first.

 

 Bethenny brought up the subject of speaking in front of the models and when Heather agreed, Sonja took offense.  

 

I agree with you that Heather shouldn't get kid glove treatment (none of them should) but I also feel that for whatever reason, Heather was targeted this season.

I think the issue is the way Sonja saw it, and she took offense to Heather telling her the way she should do things instead of Bethenny asking if that's the way things are done. Heather was in there dictating to Sonja the proper way to behave, I don't begrudge her being bothered by it even if Bethenny said something as well.

I don't think Heather was targeted this season, I think Heather can be annoying and condescending and her flaws get featured just like everyone else. Sonja is delusional, Ramona has the Singer Stinger. LuAnn is a haughty hypocritical Countess. Kristen is dumb. They all get a turn.

[jinjer]

I know! And everyone was tweeting how good she looked? I was wondering what was up with her one eye. The eyeliner on her lower lids was weird.

I hope B is getting royalties off of Ramona's new book since she came up with the term "Ramona Coaster".

Glad it's the season finale next week. For Bethenny being back, this season kind of dragged

 

 

I thought so too.

 

I think the make-up artist contoured her too much. Made her nose look even more pointy and long than it is.

 

 

I'm out of town, but a friend of mine passed by her townhouse over the weekend & she said it was dark & looked shuttered, so maybe Moaner invited her out for the weekend.  But given that she did do WWHL guess she's back.

 

 

 

Kadooz!  I miss the Moanerisms.  Any this season?

 

I think Sonja had a nose job! Haha.  She tweeted that she was going to Nantucket.  I don't know if she did.

At this point, I don't even know if Ramona can hide behind the excuse of "I just blurted it out" anymore. Her apologies after-the-fact are ALWAYS the same (and Bethenny was spot on when she called it out), it's always some variation of, "In allllll sincerity..." "You know, honestly, I'm just reallllly sorry..."

 

I think she's actually way more calculated than she gets credit for. She saves up the ugliest, most venomous barbs and launches them at the other person when backed into a corner. It's like she stores up facts to use as insults, and that shows intent to me. I can think back as far as her going after the jugular with Luann about Lu's kids and parenting. Ro knows how to play dirty.

 

She's lashed out enough times at the other HWs that I think she knows full well what she's doing, and then she backpedals with these overly dramatic apologies to weasel out of being held accountable for her actions in the first place. It's a common HW fighting technique: Say the meanest shit possible to deflect, then made a grandiose apology after to make everyone forget just how mean you were in the first place.

I think Ramona is nasty and mean spirited and pre plans all of her little digs even before the season starts.  She just waits until the inevitable disagreement with another HW and lets the insults fly.  Most of her digs hit home and are true because she has put a lot of thought into them.

[AnnA]

I think the issue is the way Sonja saw it

The way Sonja sees things and reality are often two very different things.

I rarely see things the way Sonja does so that could be why we see this differently.

[WireWrap]

The way Sonja sees things and reality are often two very different things.

I rarely see things the way Sonja does so that could be why we see this differently.

There is "reality" and then there is Sonja's "take/spin/reality" on things Like her instance she has a yacht, that she has partied with JFK JR/Madonna, her never existed TO, her Nigerian football team, that she looked good in the swan outfit with no panties on and that her cabaret act is good or even slightly funny! Sonja see/hears what she wants to see/hear and it is normally not based in truth or reality! LOL

[shoegal]

The way Sonja sees things and reality are often two very different things.

I rarely see things the way Sonja does so that could be why we see this differently.

True, but in this case the incident is on film and in fact, Heather did admonish Sonja for not behaving properly with the models, which is the part to which Sonja took offense. Sonja didn't make it up. Edited August 11, 2015 by shoegal

[motorcitymom65]

True, but in this case the incident is on film and in fact, Heather did admonish Sonja for not behaving properly with the models, which is the part to which Sonja took offense. Sonja didn't make it up.

I think that it is often hard to check your feelings of past situations in many cases. I think that is what Sonja did here. She thinks because of the toaster oven deal that Heather doubts her capabilities and decisions (and she would be correct), so she narrowed in on what Heather was saying, and not what Beth was saying. Her impression of Beth is that she has been very helpful. She thought Beth insightful and caring the last time she met with Sonja's "team". When Beth invited her to her brand summit, she remarked that none of the other ladies had ever done so much to help her, which of course was laughable considering all that Heather did during the toaster oven insanity. I think that had she known about the things Beth was saying about her after she met with her "team" to her assistant, or if she was paying attention to the looks Beth was shooting Heather during this latest meeting that she would have called Beth out as well.

[straightshooter]

I can't even believe I made it through this whole thread.  I had plenty of comments I wanted to make along the way.  There have been many interesting viewpoints in regard to this episode, and it's a little freaky that it is as if there are a few of you inside of my brain.  I found myself agreeing with certain points made by posters on each side of the debates within, trying to keep an open mind and attempting to view scenes and situations without bias and from a clean-slate perspective, which was not easy. 

 

I've always had a thing for psychology and I absolutely love observing the dynamics between people, trying to figure out what makes them  tick.  I guess that's what I'm doing the whole time while watching the show, but the more interesting thing to me lately has been the back and forth between posters here.  My daughter and I have been talking about the concept of bias lately.  She's a high-schooler but took a college class this summer and experienced a pretty big "A-HA!" moment about how bias and perspective affect what we learn, our view of the world in which we live, and pretty much everything we do.   Since we started discussing it, we've been paying attention to our own as well as to the biases of others.   Boards like this are like a perfect experiment on the subject. 

 

I'm amazed at how wildly different viewpoints can be on the same scene.  There were several times while reading this particular thread that I had to replay certain parts of the episode because I had perceived it so differently than what was expressed in a certain post.  I can often see valid points on both sides, but I also see that my mind may not be as open as it should be.  I often see what I'm expecting to see from a certain HW d/t my overall opinion of them and the crap they've pulled in the past and miss out on what really happened.   I've had more flip-flops of opinion on the HWs this season than ever, because that's what was presented to us, which is no accident.   That surprises me, though - because usually, once I've formed an opinion, that's it.  (I reserve the right to do so with regard to Ramona, period.  That's a done deal)   Maybe I'm a "work in progress" after all?  I agree with many of you most of the time, disagree with some of you all of the time, but equally appreciate the views expressed on all sides.  It's always interesting!  I also get a kick out of how passionate everyone is in expressing their feelings and opinions.  The icing on the cake is that there are some seriously talented potential comedy writers here!  I've had eye makeup sliding down my face more than once, have barely made it to the restroom several times, and have learned not to take a swig of my water while reading the words of a few of you with the most wicked senses of humor.  Keep it coming!

 

Anyway, forgive my meaningless observational babble - nothing to see here, people! Carry on....

[ryebread]

There is "reality" and then there is Sonja's "take/spin/reality" on things Like her instance she has a yacht, that she has partied with JFK JR/Madonna, her never existed TO, her Nigerian football team, that she looked good in the swan outfit with no panties on and that her cabaret act is good or even slightly funny!

 

But maybe Sonja is joking.  And we just don't understand her humor.  Like Carole's.  Maybe their humor is so cerebral that it is lost on us - the lowly, reality show watchers.  Maybe the joke's on us.

[WireWrap]

But maybe Sonja is joking.  And we just don't understand her humor.  Like Carole's.  Maybe their humor is so cerebral that it is lost on us - the lowly, reality show watchers.  Maybe the joke's on us.

Nah, Sonja was/is serious, serious to the point of getting mad because no one believed her! LOL

[AnnA]

True, but in this case the incident is on film and in fact, Heather did admonish Sonja for not behaving properly with the models, which is the part to which Sonja took offense. Sonja didn't make it up.

 

No, Sonja didn't make it up but IMHO she didn't "get it" right either.  

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.  I interpreted what I saw and heard on film differently than you did.

[Satchels of gold]

I can't even believe I made it through this whole thread.  I had plenty of comments I wanted to make along the way.  There have been many interesting viewpoints in regard to this episode, and it's a little freaky that it is as if there are a few of you inside of my brain.  I found myself agreeing with certain points made by posters on each side of the debates within, trying to keep an open mind and attempting to view scenes and situations without bias and from a clean-slate perspective, which was not easy. 

 

I've always had a thing for psychology and I absolutely love observing the dynamics between people, trying to figure out what makes them  tick.  I guess that's what I'm doing the whole time while watching the show, but the more interesting thing to me lately has been the back and forth between posters here.  My daughter and I have been talking about the concept of bias lately.  She's a high-schooler but took a college class this summer and experienced a pretty big "A-HA!" moment about how bias and perspective affect what we learn, our view of the world in which we live, and pretty much everything we do.   Since we started discussing it, we've been paying attention to our own as well as to the biases of others.   Boards like this are like a perfect experiment on the subject. 

 

I'm amazed at how wildly different viewpoints can be on the same scene.  There were several times while reading this particular thread that I had to replay certain parts of the episode because I had perceived it so differently than what was expressed in a certain post.  I can often see valid points on both sides, but I also see that my mind may not be as open as it should be.  I often see what I'm expecting to see from a certain HW d/t my overall opinion of them and the crap they've pulled in the past and miss out on what really happened.   I've had more flip-flops of opinion on the HWs this season than ever, because that's what was presented to us, which is no accident.   That surprises me, though - because usually, once I've formed an opinion, that's it.  (I reserve the right to do so with regard to Ramona, period.  That's a done deal)   Maybe I'm a "work in progress" after all?  I agree with many of you most of the time, disagree with some of you all of the time, but equally appreciate the views expressed on all sides.  It's always interesting!  I also get a kick out of how passionate everyone is in expressing their feelings and opinions.  The icing on the cake is that there are some seriously talented potential comedy writers here!  I've had eye makeup sliding down my face more than once, have barely made it to the restroom several times, and have learned not to take a swig of my water while reading the words of a few of you with the most wicked senses of humor.  Keep it coming!

 

Anyway, forgive my meaningless observational babble - nothing to see here, people! Carry on....

That is why the this forum is just as interesting as the show.

[bagger]

Oh ok. I doubt it happens a lot in hotels, especially in this day and age of cell phones, but I guess from time to time. But I only pointed out hotel security because he made a big deal out of something that was nothing, which I thought was kind of babyish. She was sound asleep in her fancy hotel with Carole and a film crew. She was fine. He wasn't.

Having only been out of the hotel industry for a year, I can attest that this is a very normal occurrence and it is usually hotel security that we send up to the room. Many hotels have bad cell phone reception so a lot of people still take calls in their rooms on the hotel phone. We send security because generally they are trained in first aid. When someone is expected in their hotel room and they do not answer the phone, often times their family, friends or colleagues will call the hotel and ask for a welfare check. In 25 years in the hotel industry I can say that sometimes the guest is unresponsive and in need of assistance.

[straightshooter]

That is why the this forum is just as interesting as the show.

Even moreso, as far as I'm concerned!  I'm not even watching OC anymore, just getting my updates here - until that beautiful day when Brooks is outed, that is.... :)