S07.E15: Don't Be All, Like, Uncool

[Bossa Nova]

Isn't there a theory that Dorinda's daughter, Hannah of the Severely Dark Eyebrow, is doing the tweeting for her. Not making any excuses for Dorinda. In fact, I can well imagine a scenario where Dorinda gave the out of work and quit school, Hannah, a "job" managing her social media in her new Housewives career. The excessiveness and mean style has an adolescent quality about them. Plus the way Hannah has such a say in Dorinda's life re: her dating John. Dorinda gives alot of power to her daughter. 

 

Just a theory.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Bossa Nova

[motorcitymom65]

More of it....

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/675445/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-s-be-cool-moment-is-here-and-it-s-everything-you-hoped-for

[Crikey]

IMO Heather was acting out of fear and it manifested itself as anger.

 

Sure, she could have reacted in a more calm way and had her questions answered.............  haha, I made myself laugh typing that. 

 

Ramoaner, Sonja, Dorinda, Lu are the pillars of answering honestly and not deflecting and not minimizing. 

[zoeysmom]

The do all tweet, but no one has ever tweeted about the show like Dorinda, or at least not that I have seen. Ever. The closest I have seen is Eileen, who I believe Dorinda was trying to mimic. She also live-tweeted on all the action, although not to the extent that Dorinda does, and she wasn't nasty. Dorinda is nasty.  The other difference is that both Heather and Carole tend to tweet responses to their followers. That makes up the bulk of all their talk about the show. Not that this is better or worse, but they both engage a lot with their followers, similar to how Lisa V or Kyle handles their accounts. Dorinda has been called out for this a lot. She doesn't respond to tweets the way that some of the others do. Her choice, but I will imagine she will change the way she does things. She found out fast it is great to be open and honest when you look good, but much harder to do that when you look bad. 

I should have said I don't judge a Dorinda's sanity by the number of tweets or the content. I read a  lot of comments about her sanity being in question because of the number of tweets. To me she is being conversational instead of having the great witty tweet or two.  It is her style and if she has been rightfully called out on being "mean" due to content and apologized I will respect her for it.  

I'm totally confused about the shared bathroom. Is it between two bedrooms and the guy was in one of the bedrooms? So, does that mean Heather and Carole were in the other bedroom -- in one bed? Maybe Heather freaked out because she thought the guy might have seen her and Carole pleasuring each other with huge dildos or something. Don't lose your cool -- I'm only joking because I don't get the suite configuration and that's where my nasty mind took me.

There were two beds in Carole and Heather's room.  It has never been established which doors were open-Heather claims she saw the naked man but does not indicate from which approach.  Or at least we were lead to believe there were two beds.

[Crikey]

It annoys me that these two men are being called strangers.  As Sonja said, the one man drank a juice and didn't feel like a stranger.

The HW's knew them for at least a couple of hours.  I think Lu had sex with one of them and she even knew their first names, for goodness' sakes!   David Someone and John/James Somebody should not be talked about like they are just pieces of dangerous, drunken meat and made into manslut fodder for a HW fight.  If this is manslut shaming, I am going on record that I am firmly against it.

;)

[imjagain]

It annoys me that these two men are being called strangers. As Sonja said, the one man drank a juice and didn't feel like a stranger.

The HW's knew them for at least a couple of hours. I think Lu had sex with one of them and she even knew their first names, for goodness' sakes! David Someone and John/James Somebody should not be talked about like they are just pieces of dangerous, drunken meat and made into manslut fodder for a HW fight. If this is manslut shaming, I am going on record that I am firmly against it.

;)

Omg too funny.

Yeah, Sonja with the "he didn't feel a like a stranger, look he drank a juice" lol.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, (and I'm not sure I am) Lu is pissed that C and H out her for being with a man. When in reality it's Ramona's fault because she throws the fault on Lu, regarding the naked stranger still being in the house.

To think I thought "don't be uncool" was funny when the preview for the season aired.

How about Lu sing a song about a twitchy drunk turtle who throws others under the bus. Set it to a good Disco beat we'll all dance.

Edited July 13, 2015 by imjagain

[WireWrap]

Isn't there a theory that Dorinda's daughter, Hannah of the Severely Dark Eyebrow, is doing the tweeting for her. Not making any excuses for Dorinda. In fact, I can well imagine a scenario where Dorinda gave the out of work and quit school, Hannah, a "job" managing her social media in her new Housewives career. The excessiveness and mean style has an adolescent quality about them. Plus the way Hannah has such a say in Dorinda's life re: her dating John. Dorinda gives alot of power to her daughter. 

 

Just a theory.

I think that theory, that Hannah was doing the tweeting, started because we had not seen the nasty, sharp tonged Dorinda until the T&C trip. The tweets did not match the HW we saw on the show until then, now they make sense because, IMO, we are seeing the real Dorinda for the first time. She is not the calm, nonjudgmental, non-elitist person she is trying so hard to project, she is just like Ramona, the opposite! LOL

 

I should have said I don't judge a Dorinda's sanity by the number of tweets or the content. I read a  lot of comments about her sanity being in question because of the number of tweets. To me she is being conversational instead of having the great witty tweet or two.  It is her style and if she has been rightfully called out on being "mean" due to content and apologized I will respect her for it.  

There were two beds in Carole and Heather's room.  It has never been established which doors were open-Heather claims she saw the naked man but does not indicate from which approach.  Or at least we were lead to believe there were two beds.

She has not apologized for any of her nasty tweets that I have seen, she justifies them or has her supporters do it for her and then Thanks them.

[Crikey]

More of it....

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/675445/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-s-be-cool-moment-is-here-and-it-s-everything-you-hoped-for

Great link, thank you.

 

Lu needs to apologize for putting out that image of her swinging from a chandelier with a man on her back.  Elegantly, of course.

[zoeysmom]

I think that theory, that Hannah was doing the tweeting, started because we had not seen the nasty, sharp tonged Dorinda until the T&C trip. The tweets did not match the HW we saw on the show until then, now they make sense because, IMO, we are seeing the real Dorinda for the first time. She is not the calm, nonjudgmental, non-elitist person she is trying so hard to project, she is just like Ramona, the opposite! LOL

 

She has not apologized for any of her nasty tweets that I have seen, she justifies them or has her supporters do it for her and then Thanks them.

We haven't seen the Reunion so we have no if Dorinda apologized for them or not.  Somebody said references were made about Tweets during the Reunion,  The assumption was Dorinda's tweets, then it was noted Dorinda didn't tweet last week during the episode and Dorinda had tweeted she was filming the Reunion.  So I guess we will have to wait and see what happens this week.

[zoeysmom]

Omg too funny.

Yeah, Sonja with the "he didn't feel a like a stranger, look he drank a juice" lol.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, (and I'm not sure I am) Lu is pissed that C and H out her for being with a man. When in reality it's Ramona's fault because she throws the fault on Lu, regarding the naked stranger still being in the house.

To think I thought "don't be uncool" was funny when the preview for the season aired.

How about Lu sing a song about a twitchy drunk turtle who throws others under the bus. Set it to a good Disco beat we'll all dance.

I don't think Luann is mad about being outed.  I think she just doesn't agree with Heather's outrage at the naked man.  LuAnn allowed her to have her say about the inappropriateness of having unescorted men in the house. I think LuAnn marginalized Heather's feelings and concerns. It is Carole who is slut shaming the women asking if they even knew the men's names and then last name.  Which is important only because at lunch with Bethenny she acts as if bringing a guy back and banging him is cool and she is no Golden Girl.  That is really not what she was conveying to Sonja and LuAnn.  Now we have Luann saying it was inappropriate for Heather to come in her room-again try locking doors ladies.  Sigh,

[imjagain]

I don't think Luann is mad about being outed. I think she just doesn't agree with Heather's outrage at the naked man. LuAnn allowed her to have her say about the inappropriateness of having unescorted men in the house. I think LuAnn marginalized Heather's feelings and concerns. It is Carole who is slut shaming the women asking if they even knew the men's names and then last name. Which is important only because at lunch with Bethenny she acts as if bringing a guy back and banging him is cool and she is no Golden Girl. That is really not what she was conveying to Sonja and LuAnn. Now we have Luann saying it was inappropriate for Heather to come in her room-again try locking doors ladies. Sigh,

No, I'm talking about the whole girl code song. The fact that Lu has been saying that Carole and Heather did something to her that broke girl code. What did they do? Lu went after Carole because of Adam and imo Lu was lying about the reason she was mad, and bashing Carole on Twitter. Idk I'm confused, sorry if I'm not making sense.

Eta: Sorry I just reread your post. Ok, so Lu thinks Carole was shut shaming her. I don't think Carole was. She pointed out that they didn't even know their names, because Sonja and Lu were saying they weren't strangers... Which they were! Who just happened to have juice. :)

Edited July 13, 2015 by imjagain

[motorcitymom65]

I don't think Luann is mad about being outed.  I think she just doesn't agree with Heather's outrage at the naked man.  LuAnn allowed her to have her say about the inappropriateness of having unescorted men in the house. I think LuAnn marginalized Heather's feelings and concerns. It is Carole who is slut shaming the women asking if they even knew the men's names and then last name.  Which is important only because at lunch with Bethenny she acts as if bringing a guy back and banging him is cool and she is no Golden Girl.  That is really not what she was conveying to Sonja and LuAnn.  Now we have Luann saying it was inappropriate for Heather to come in her room-again try locking doors ladies.  Sigh,

Was that slut shaming? I actually never know. It didn't seem like Carole had an issue with the ONS, but with Lu and Sonja saying he wasn't a stranger, so they need not have been worried. He was a stranger. To highlight this Carole asked for their names. I was kind of surprised Lu wasn't faster on her feet. I would have expected that this is not her first time in this kind of a situation.

[Crikey]

I don't think Luann is mad about being outed.  I think she just doesn't agree with Heather's outrage at the naked man.  LuAnn allowed her to have her say about the inappropriateness of having unescorted men in the house. I think LuAnn marginalized Heather's feelings and concerns. It is Carole who is slut shaming the women asking if they even knew the men's names and then last name.  Which is important only because at lunch with Bethenny she acts as if bringing a guy back and banging him is cool and she is no Golden Girl.  That is really not what she was conveying to Sonja and LuAnn.  Now we have Luann saying it was inappropriate for Heather to come in her room-again try locking doors ladies.  Sigh,

Gotta disagree.

IMO it was about the men being strangers.  Not knowing their names was to show the men were, in fact, strangers.  Nothing to do with slut shaming, IMO.

 

Heather:  You bring strangers back and don't see them out and I am uncool......

Lu:  (mumbles something with the word strangers in it) .......

Heather:  They are strangers.

Carole:  You don't even know his name.

 

IMO Carole was making the argument for the men being strangers.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Crikey

[Grneyedldy]

I'm totally confused about the shared bathroom. Is it between two bedrooms and the guy was in one of the bedrooms? So, does that mean Heather and Carole were in the other bedroom -- in one bed? Maybe Heather freaked out because she thought the guy might have seen her and Carole pleasuring each other with huge dildos or something. Don't lose your cool -- I'm only joking because I don't get the suite configuration and that's where my nasty mind took me.

Hahaha

  

More of it....

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/675445/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-s-be-cool-moment-is-here-and-it-s-everything-you-hoped-for

OMG great link, thanks! Wow The Countess has left the building. You go LuAnn.

I think Heather and Carole are right, but from the sounds of that clip it was all Ramona's (and Sonja's ?) doing. LuAnn is so hungover, possibly even still drunk. I can't wait for Tuesday night. Much better than the fame whoring death cloud hovering over OC.

[Mrs peel]

I'm kind of flummoxed that this is a debate. I don't give a rats ass when or where camera crews are. I don't care when filming of Heather and Carole started. The argument that they should lock their door (which, do they even have locks on the open, adjoining bathroom to the other room in their suite?) based on nothing more than some man ended up there is ridiculous to me, because how on earth should they expect that? The argument that Heather is as entitled as Ramona is? Fuck yes, she's entitled. As is Carole. They're entitled to an explanation. They're entitled to an apology. They're entitled to say that dumping off a man in their suite because the other women couldn't be bothered with him is not OK.

I do not give one tiny little fuck that "nothing happened" so they should let it go. Things happen. Bad things happen. I never want to be in a position where I wake up and wonder what might have happened (even him looking at them while they were sleeping), or wondering if I still had all my things. Not OK. Ever.

Call me a prude, I am cool with that. But the other women should be apologizing, not all butthurt that they got woken up and are being questioned about what the hell happened. Quite frankly, I think with Dorinda, she was so drunk the night before she just doesn't remember any of it.

Jeez, I've managed to lose this post twice now.  But WORD, WORD, WORD to your entire post.  It is far better than anything I wrote.

 

I'm not going to delve too deep into this discussion, because I know too many people, men and women, who have been assaulted/robbed/raped by random tricks they met at bars or on grindr themselves, that I can't reasonably discuss this topic as though there's another side to the story.

Racked, you are so right.   I doubt the chef and “houseboy” live in, and it’s unlikely all of production stay at the house.  So they were effectively alone for the night.  A lot of very bad stuff can happen very quickly.  Even if someone from production was asleep downstairs, anything could have happened before the others would have known, been able to react, break down a locked (by the guy) door, etc.

 

More on Ramona, we know it was her guy….her back to teen years titter that she knew what had happened but decided to pass off the responsibility to Luann (cue insincere look and “sorry Luann!”) is her admission.  God, what a fucking asshole!

 

Back to Dorinda drunk at dinner.  Ramona was an ass.  She started the trouble, then she tries to stop Heather from talking to Dorinda?  Stop, just stop.  What Ramona should have done was make sure Dorinda, drunk as she already was, didn’t go out for more drinking.  If Ramona was that good a friend, she should have at least tried to take Dorinda home.  Jeez, the woman was already slurring her words and alternating between being loud and obnoxious and a crying, slobbering mess.

[raiderred1]

That was a hoot! I watched that scene twice. I've actually been in a very similar situation with a roommate. I wish I could have been chill like Lu, but my reaction was somewhere between Heather's anger and Carole's disgust.

Lakewood, I've gotta cop to watching it several times(slinks to the corner) as it is just such a typical "bawdy" Luanne thing to say.  The body language was priceless. I would have been just as pissed as Heather or Carol but this scene with Luanne just cracks me up.  You could see Heather's sheer shock at the at the nonchalant attitude in Lu's response.  It's worth several watches. 

[Muffyn]

I'm going to lecture the Countess and Moaner on manners.  When you invite a guest into your or another's home, you are responsible for them.  If Lu got her freak on, then escorted her guest out - fine.  If Moaner had done the deed, then had the man stay with her - fine.  She would have been aware of his actions (or should have been; however given how drunk they may have been I am being generous in this assessment).  Having your guest stay in another room in the home, away from where you can reasonably assess what they are doing, you barely know the person and you have not informed the other housemates that this person is staying - uncool.  Way uncool.  

 

Heather did say she opened the door to Bethenny's bedroom, so the bathroom door was closed on that side.  I would still be angry if I woke up and there was some naked guy sleeping alone in the bedroom adjoining mine.  

 

Kadooz to production for the shot of someone's bra and panties on the floor of the main room.  Classy!  

 

Best supporting actor award to the chef for quietly going about his business while all of this was happening.

 

If Moaner ever came running up to me with one of her big hugs like she tried with Dorinda in the ladies room, I would knee drop her before she knew what was coming.  Given how drunk she was , she couldn't be certain if I had taken her down or she fell on her own.   

 

Did anyone else notice that after the fight at the restaurant, there was another full martini in front of Dorinda.  True girl code says if your friend is that drunk, you get her home.  You do not order another round or take her out to a club. Time to pour her into bed.  Uncool, ladies, uncool. 

Edited July 13, 2015 by Muffyn

[Bronzedog]

I am firmly on Heather's side on this, but, the more I think about it, the stranger it is to me that Luanne and Sonya are still doing this crap at this point in their lives. I'm assuming one night stands are fairly new to the Moaner. I remember in my 20s going to the beach and seeing who you could pick up, have a good time and never see them again, but, I'm so glad I'm not still doing that 30 years later. I don't know. It's just strange to me. And, Victoria and Noel! Check out your elegant mother!

[Mozelle]

I don't think Luann is mad about being outed.  I think she just doesn't agree with Heather's outrage at the naked man.  LuAnn allowed her to have her say about the inappropriateness of having unescorted men in the house. I think LuAnn marginalized Heather's feelings and concerns. It is Carole who is slut shaming the women asking if they even knew the men's names and then last name.  Which is important only because at lunch with Bethenny she acts as if bringing a guy back and banging him is cool and she is no Golden Girl.  That is really not what she was conveying to Sonja and LuAnn.  Now we have Luann saying it was inappropriate for Heather to come in her room-again try locking doors ladies.  Sigh,

 

I don't think that Carole was slut shaming in the slightest. LuAnn (and Sonja in the background) tried to contend that the men weren't strangers, and Carole was in disbelief: "You don't even know their names!" (as in stop trying to convince us that they are more than strangers when you may not even know the slightest things about them).

[izabella]

You know Ramona would be the first to scream bloody murder if she had woken up with a strange, naked man in an adjoining room with the door wide open.   She would have talked about being strangled in her bed, what would Avery think, and poor me that Mario isn't around to protect me from strangers.

[Almost 3000]

Isn't there a theory that Dorinda's daughter, Hannah of the Severely Dark Eyebrow, is doing the tweeting for her. Not making any excuses for Dorinda. In fact, I can well imagine a scenario where Dorinda gave the out of work and quit school, Hannah, a "job" managing her social media in her new Housewives career. The excessiveness and mean style has an adolescent quality about them. Plus the way Hannah has such a say in Dorinda's life re: her dating John. Dorinda gives alot of power to her daughter. 

 

Just a theory.

Interesting thought but Dorinda should be able to see by now that its hurting her so I vote for Dorinda is a stupid drunk tweeter like Brandi. She does seem to get rambling and coo coo when drunk.

[Lakewood27]

And, Victoria and Noel! Check out your elegant mother!

 

Victoria is an artist. And both kids were raised in a totally different environment than the average RHoNY viewer. I would assume their attitudes about this sort of thing are much less provincial.

 

In my mind the Countess attends Eyes Wide Shut parties on the regular, and swinging from the chandeliers isn't a euphemism!

Edited July 13, 2015 by Lakewood27

[Tara Ariano]

A profanity-laced dinner continues, with Dorinda storming off and Heather dashing after her. Later, Heather tries to confront LuAnn and Ramona for their late-night antics. Also: Grievances air and tensions rise at Kristen's decorating dinner.

[zoeysmom]

Was that slut shaming? I actually never know. It didn't seem like Carole had an issue with the ONS, but with Lu and Sonja saying he wasn't a stranger, so they need not have been worried. He was a stranger. To highlight this Carole asked for their names. I was kind of surprised Lu wasn't faster on her feet. I would have expected that this is not her first time in this kind of a situation.

Yeah Carole was indicating that LuAnn was easy.  LuAnn did not exactly admit to having sex.  I think LuAnn was caught off guard because usually one would not broadcast the first and last name of a sex partner or even a drunken post nightclub party goer.  One of those fourth wall deals or perhaps things weren't as intimate as we are being led to believe.

[WireWrap]

We haven't seen the Reunion so we have no if Dorinda apologized for them or not.  Somebody said references were made about Tweets during the Reunion,  The assumption was Dorinda's tweets, then it was noted Dorinda didn't tweet last week during the episode and Dorinda had tweeted she was filming the Reunion.  So I guess we will have to wait and see what happens this week.

Oh, I thought you were saying she might apologize ON twitter, not during the reunion, after all the damage she did. And shouldn't she also apologize on twitter NOW as well and ask her fans to calm down a bit because what she did was not OK? LOL

 

I don't think Luann is mad about being outed.  I think she just doesn't agree with Heather's outrage at the naked man.  LuAnn allowed her to have her say about the inappropriateness of having unescorted men in the house. I think LuAnn marginalized Heather's feelings and concerns. It is Carole who is slut shaming the women asking if they even knew the men's names and then last name.  Which is important only because at lunch with Bethenny she acts as if bringing a guy back and banging him is cool and she is no Golden Girl.  That is really not what she was conveying to Sonja and LuAnn.  Now we have Luann saying it was inappropriate for Heather to come in her room-again try locking doors ladies.  Sigh,

IMO, just mine, Carole was not "slut shaming" anyone, let alone LuAnn. She was pointing out that these men were in fact strangers and that LuAnn, Ramona and Sonja did NOT know them, despite LuAnn/Sonja's insistence that they did know them, beyond a few hours of drunk interaction that ended up in at least a couple of beds. It was her follow up to Heather saying sleeping with a random guy is all well and good as long as you see him to the door when the deed is done and not allow them to remain, unescorted, in the house unknown to the rest of the HWs. I really do not think either Heather or Carole care if LuAnn, Sonja or Ramona have sex with anyone, they care that they, R/L/S, had no concern about letting any of these strangers have free run of the house without letting them know so they could lock their doors/take precautions.  JMO

 

Oh, and I do think LuAnn would be OTT angry had some strange man Ramona/Sonja had over, wandered into her bedroom or that she stumbled upon while getting ready in the morning had she not know there were strange men in the house to begin with. Its one thing to know they are in the house and that you may "see" something, it is another when you had no idea anyone was there at all. JMO

[AnnA]

I need to CLARIFY something I have never said that Heather does not have the right to be offended. It is not good to have any overnight guest without letting your housemates knowing and especially not good to extend the invitation in a drunken state. So Heather has a right to be offended, she was startled, nothing more nothing less.  She didn't have a heart attack, a stroke or blow her brains out, she wasn't robbed or raped and there has been no assertion the stranger used the bathroom or went into their sleeping quarters-she was startled and offended.  It is not about Heather and her right to be offended it is how she CHOSE to deal with it.  I don't think it was productive.  What I have seen on this trip is series of fairly silly arguments. Heather may have felt better running around screaming, startling LuAnn and Ramona and waking them up and then she has given them the power to question her behavior. Which apparently her behavior this year has given rise to previously supportive publications becoming not so supportive (Vulture). I find the show getting less and less believable because there has been behavior and words so hurtful and so base that there are just not enough apologies to make up  for the comments and now this poor decision by someone, presumably Ramona has the Offended blowing up at people and treating them poorly for someone else's behavior-most likely Ramona's.  I also don't believe in guilt by association.  Whether or not Dorinda rode in a car with men or was part of the late night party is best asked in a calm manner.  Carole was disrespectful and do not believe that Carole gets to claim startled by association. 

 

So again I support Heather's right to be offended.  I don't support blanket accusations or invaded others space because you were startled or offended.  If Heather had detained the man (hopefully clothed) then by all means wake those women up and get an explanation.

 

Again we have only seen the first few minutes.  I am hoping that behavior I find unnecessary or hurtful is addressed from all sides.  Demanding all the other women in the house be as offended as Heather is just odd to me be it 90% of the posters here who agree or 5%.

 

So let Heather rant and carry on it serves no purpose for this otherwise intelligent, professional woman.   I don't think is necessary to talk about what ifs.  There are hundreds of them they one thing that is a certainty is they did not happen.

 

I'll start with the last bolded statement in your post.  I hope this gets discussed at length tomorrow night.  It deserves more than a brief scene.

 

As far as the show becoming "less and less believable,"  we'd all be foolish to believe half of what we see on these shows IMHO.  

 

"Carole was disrespectful?" -  Why?  Because she expected Dorinda to answer her questions?   Since when can't a grown woman answer a question without her contacts?  Carole is not stupid.  By making such a ridiculous statement, Dorinda was dismissing Carole's inquiry and that is disrespectful IMHO.

 

I'm struggling with how to express my disbelief that you feel that Heather "invaded others' space."   These women walk in and out of each others' rooms all the time when they're on vacation.  Had Heather's space not been invaded by a total stranger lying naked in the adjoining room, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Edited July 13, 2015 by AnnA

[zenme]

There's something about bringing an international booty call/one night stand to the hotel room that bothers me.  My married-for-25 years self thinks that kind of behavior is risky in NYC (or in the U.S., in general), but something about it being international brings out a whole other level of scary for me. Haven't these ladies ever heard of Joren Van Der Sloot, or watched Locked Up Abroad? The drunken Ramona and LuAnn are lucky that the naked guy didn't try to use them as drug mules and cram a few bags of black tar heroin up their butts. 

[Crikey]

There's something about bringing an international booty call/one night stand to the hotel room that bothers me.  My married-for-25 years self thinks that kind of behavior is risky in NYC (or in the U.S., in general), but something about it being international brings out a whole other level of scary for me. Haven't these ladies ever heard of Joren Van Der Sloot, or watched Locked Up Abroad? The drunken Ramona and LuAnn are lucky that the naked guy didn't try to use them as drug mules and cram a few bags of black tar heroin up their butts. 

LOL

That might require Ramoaner taking the stick (huge stick, large, long) out of her butt first.

Edited July 13, 2015 by Crikey

[KungFuBunny]

LOL

That might require Ramoaner taking the stick (huge stick, large, long) out of her butt first.

It's not a stick...it's a Floaty Noodle!!!

Touretzy Turtle travels with it this way cause it doesn't fit in her luggage

 

SOL

[Crikey]

It's not a stick...it's a Floaty Noodle!!!

Touretzy Turtle travels with it this way cause it doesn't fit in her luggage

 

SOL

SOL !

Maybe the squats were just for extraction purposes.  :)

[KungFuBunny]

SOL !

Maybe the squats were just for extraction purposes.  :)

 

SOL

 

It's also why she walks like Mrs. Whiggins...the Floaty Noodle is very long...so it sort of goes in bent.

[zoeysmom]

Gotta disagree.

IMO it was about the men being strangers.  Not knowing their names was to show the men were, in fact, strangers.  Nothing to do with slut shaming, IMO.

 

Heather:  You bring strangers back and don't see them out and I am uncool......

Lu:  (mumbles something with the word strangers in it) .......

Heather:  They are strangers.

Carole:  You don't even know his name.

 

IMO Carole was making the argument for the men being strangers.

My point has again been obfuscated.  In T&C Carole is chastising LuAnn and Sonja for bringing strangers home and let them have the run of the house.  When she is talking to Bethenny and Bethenny stops her- with it is okay to bring home a one night bang--Carole has a different attitude.  She is oh so cool Carole about causal men and casual sex.   So it would have been okay to bang the guy but not to have him sleep over in a room by heather and Caarole's because he was unescorted.

 

It is my understanding this site does not permit "slut shaming" so when someone says their values and ethics are different when calling into question a situation like this -it teeters on slut shaming.  Essentially LuAnn said it is okay for someone to sleep it off and Heather felt that was beneath her.

 

Now for the last time Heather had every right to be offended and the way she handled herself and the conversation with LuAnn and Sonja on the E! link was entirely appropriate even though it was not terribly informative because Luann and Sonja didn't know about the guy staying over.  Luann response was uncool.   Dorinda is right in her blog some of these people have to move past the preachy part of their diatribe.  Heather and Carole's earlier behavior was not a good way to get information or to portray themselves.  Temper tantrums and angry outbursts are for kids.  Now Luann is able to say they were inappropriate in their invasion of her privacy-regardless of  what Ramona said.  Ramona does not have the right to waive Luann's privacy.  There is always the image of a pissed off Heather whipping the draperies open and yelling at a sleeping Ramona not the calm Heather asking for answers in the kitchen.

 

I was upset to read on here that LuAnn and Heather have said never again.  I like Heather and there is just no way she has the juice to oust LuAnn.  LuAnn upped her game with the swinging on the chandeliers  comment.  Bravo loves a bawdy girl and Heather is the nice girl married to Mr. Milquetoast.  I hope by Reunion time they put it to rest but somehow I think Heather might be serious. I believe her when she says she has ethics and values. I could totally understand Josh and Jonathan supporting Heather and Kristen in demanding separate secure quarters if there was another girls' trip.  I doubt Kristen will be back and she has had zero input as of late.  Her only contribution on the trip was masterminding the bucket dump on  Ramona and taking her top off and waiving from the ocean.   

[racked]

I was upset to read on here that LuAnn and Heather have said never again.  I like Heather and there is just no way she has the juice to oust LuAnn.  LuAnn upped her game with the swinging on the chandeliers  comment.  Bravo loves a bawdy girl and Heather is the nice girl married to Mr. Milquetoast.  I hope by Reunion time they put it to rest but somehow I think Heather might be serious. I believe her when she says she has ethics and values. I could totally understand Josh and Jonathan supporting Heather and Kristen in demanding separate secure quarters if there was another girls' trip.  I doubt Kristen will be back and she has had zero input as of late.  Her only contribution on the trip was masterminding the bucket dump on  Ramona and taking her top off and waiving from the ocean.   

 

Housewives do tend to say this a lot and not necessarily mean it. Heather may be different, but Lisa Rinna said it about Kim Richards and the same day she said it they made up.  

 

I still like Luanne, because she's really fun to watch sometimes and I enjoy how selfish she is, but Bethenny was always right about her. She is a snake. 

[Midnight Cheese]

My point has again been obfuscated.  In T&C Carole is chastising LuAnn and Sonja for bringing strangers home and let them have the run of the house.  When she is talking to Bethenny and Bethenny stops her- with it is okay to bring home a one night bang--Carole has a different attitude.  She is oh so cool Carole about causal men and casual sex.   So it would have been okay to bang the guy but not to have him sleep over in a room by heather and Caarole's because he was unescorted.

 

It is my understanding this site does not permit "slut shaming" so when someone says their values and ethics are different when calling into question a situation like this -it teeters on slut shaming.  Essentially LuAnn said it is okay for someone to sleep it off and Heather felt that was beneath her.

 

Now for the last time Heather had every right to be offended and the way she handled herself and the conversation with LuAnn and Sonja on the E! link was entirely appropriate even though it was not terribly informative because Luann and Sonja didn't know about the guy staying over.  Luann response was uncool.   Dorinda is right in her blog some of these people have to move past the preachy part of their diatribe.  Heather and Carole's earlier behavior was not a good way to get information or to portray themselves.  Temper tantrums and angry outbursts are for kids.  Now Luann is able to say they were inappropriate in their invasion of her privacy-regardless of  what Ramona said.  Ramona does not have the right to waive Luann's privacy.  There is always the image of a pissed off Heather whipping the draperies open and yelling at a sleeping Ramona not the calm Heather asking for answers in the kitchen.

 

I was upset to read on here that LuAnn and Heather have said never again.  I like Heather and there is just no way she has the juice to oust LuAnn.  LuAnn upped her game with the swinging on the chandeliers  comment.  Bravo loves a bawdy girl and Heather is the nice girl married to Mr. Milquetoast.  I hope by Reunion time they put it to rest but somehow I think Heather might be serious. I believe her when she says she has ethics and values. I could totally understand Josh and Jonathan supporting Heather and Kristen in demanding separate secure quarters if there was another girls' trip.  I doubt Kristen will be back and she has had zero input as of late.  Her only contribution on the trip was masterminding the bucket dump on  Ramona and taking her top off and waiving from the ocean.   

zoeysmom, I bolded so that I could be clear - I don't think I've been part of this conversation, but I truly do not understand how 'slut-shaming' hascome into play.  I missed the full First Look, but the "Cool/Uncool" clip on E! showed Heather's complete 'ethics' comment and I believe it came after she specified *waking up in a room next to a naked stranger* and not the one-night stand/vacation sex.  I think it's a reach.  I don't think it teeters on anything like misogyny/slut-shaming.

[AnnA]

Personally, I really enjoyed watching Heather rip open the drapes in Ramona's room.  If I was in that situation, I'd probably have ripped Ramona out of the bed.  LuAnn should remember her "swinging from the chandelier with a man on her back" comment the next time she tries to force her manufactured indignation over Heather's language.  What kind of example does that set for her daughter?   

 

Speaking of Hypocritical LuAnn.........did anyone else notice she started to say "fucking tell me......" when Sonja told her the dinner argument was all her fault?

 

The sad part of this discussion is that we spent so much time on something that probably never happened.  Thanks a lot Bravo!

[Crikey]

My point has again been obfuscated.  In T&C Carole is chastising LuAnn and Sonja for bringing strangers home and let them have the run of the house.  When she is talking to Bethenny and Bethenny stops her- with it is okay to bring home a one night bang--Carole has a different attitude.  She is oh so cool Carole about causal men and casual sex.   So it would have been okay to bang the guy but not to have him sleep over in a room by heather and Caarole's because he was unescorted.

 

It is my understanding this site does not permit "slut shaming" so when someone says their values and ethics are different when calling into question a situation like this -it teeters on slut shaming.  Essentially LuAnn said it is okay for someone to sleep it off and Heather felt that was beneath her.

 

Now for the last time Heather had every right to be offended and the way she handled herself and the conversation with LuAnn and Sonja on the E! link was entirely appropriate even though it was not terribly informative because Luann and Sonja didn't know about the guy staying over.  Luann response was uncool.   Dorinda is right in her blog some of these people have to move past the preachy part of their diatribe.  Heather and Carole's earlier behavior was not a good way to get information or to portray themselves.  Temper tantrums and angry outbursts are for kids.  Now Luann is able to say they were inappropriate in their invasion of her privacy-regardless of  what Ramona said.  Ramona does not have the right to waive Luann's privacy.  There is always the image of a pissed off Heather whipping the draperies open and yelling at a sleeping Ramona not the calm Heather asking for answers in the kitchen.

 

I was upset to read on here that LuAnn and Heather have said never again.  I like Heather and there is just no way she has the juice to oust LuAnn.  LuAnn upped her game with the swinging on the chandeliers  comment.  Bravo loves a bawdy girl and Heather is the nice girl married to Mr. Milquetoast.  I hope by Reunion time they put it to rest but somehow I think Heather might be serious. I believe her when she says she has ethics and values. I could totally understand Josh and Jonathan supporting Heather and Kristen in demanding separate secure quarters if there was another girls' trip.  I doubt Kristen will be back and she has had zero input as of late.  Her only contribution on the trip was masterminding the bucket dump on  Ramona and taking her top off and waiving from the ocean.

I bolded one (only one) part of your post and responded to that only.  This:

 

It is Carole who is slut shaming the women asking if they even knew the men's names and then last name.

 

I then quoted the HW conversation to provide context to the questioning of the men's names:

 

Heather:  You bring strangers back and don't see them out and I am uncool......

Lu:  (mumbles something with the word strangers in it) .......

Heather:  They are strangers.

Carole:  You don't even know his name

IMO Carole was making the argument for the men being strangers.

 

How did my post cause your point to be obfuscated?

Edited July 13, 2015 by Crikey

[WireWrap]

My point has again been obfuscated.  In T&C Carole is chastising LuAnn and Sonja for bringing strangers home and let them have the run of the house.  When she is talking to Bethenny and Bethenny stops her- with it is okay to bring home a one night bang--Carole has a different attitude.  She is oh so cool Carole about causal men and casual sex.   So it would have been okay to bang the guy but not to have him sleep over in a room by heather and Caarole's because he was unescorted.

 

It is my understanding this site does not permit "slut shaming" so when someone says their values and ethics are different when calling into question a situation like this -it teeters on slut shaming.  Essentially LuAnn said it is okay for someone to sleep it off and Heather felt that was beneath her.

Carole never questioned LuAnn about having sex with random strangers, with the exception of LuAnn and Sonja claiming the "knew" these men, which they did not. She and Heather also said the same thing to LuAnn that Carole said to Bethenny, about not leaving the guy on his own in the house after they are done scratching whatever and Bethenny agreed with Carole. 

 

Heather was upset that the guy was given free access to the house, including their bedroom, while they were completely unaware of his presence to begin with, not that they/Ramona had sex with him.

[motorcitymom65]

My point has again been obfuscated.  In T&C Carole is chastising LuAnn and Sonja for bringing strangers home and let them have the run of the house.  When she is talking to Bethenny and Bethenny stops her- with it is okay to bring home a one night bang--Carole has a different attitude.  She is oh so cool Carole about causal men and casual sex.   So it would have been okay to bang the guy but not to have him sleep over in a room by heather and Caarole's because he was unescorted.

 

It is my understanding this site does not permit "slut shaming" so when someone says their values and ethics are different when calling into question a situation like this -it teeters on slut shaming.  Essentially LuAnn said it is okay for someone to sleep it off and Heather felt that was beneath her.

 

 

Exactly. It would have been fine to have the guy come to the house, bang the shit out of Lu or whoever wanted it, and then stay with said woman, or leave. Nothing that anyone has said at this point has been contradictory. The whole point of this deal is that they didn't like a stranger having the run of the place when they knew nothing about it. 

 

As far as the slut-shaming (I dreaded that this episode would take us here), Heather didn't judge Lu for bringing home a guy. She judged her because she (or Ramona) allowed the guy that was brought home sleep in her suite. I shudder to think this is where we have come in our fear of slut-shaming. Heather cannot even tell Lu that her morals are different than hers because she wouldn't like the idea that there was a naked stranger that she was unaware of in her suite? To just say that to Lu means that she is a slut-shamer? Please someone just tell me "no". 

Edited July 13, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[Grneyedldy]

Add me to the list that it was about naked strangers not strange dick. No slut shaming.

Exactly. It would have been fine to have the guy come to the house, bang the shit out of Lu or whoever wanted it, and then stay with said woman, or leave. Nothing that anyone has said at this point has been contradictory. The whole point of this deal is that they didn't like a stranger having the run of the place when they knew nothing about it. 

 

As far as the slut-shaming (I dreaded that this episode would take us here), Heather didn't judge Lu for bringing home a guy. She judged her because she (or Ramona) allowed the guy that was brought home sleep in her suite. I shudder to think this is where we have come in our fear of slut-shaming. Heather cannot even tell Lu that her morals are different than hers because she wouldn't like the idea that there was a naked stranger that she was unaware of in her suite? To just say that to Lu means that she is a slut-shamer? Please someone just tell me "no".

No

[motorcitymom65]

Add me to the list that it was about naked strangers not strange dick. No slut shaming.

I haven't listened to Lu's song, or read any of the interviews she has given about the song, so I'm clueless about it and have a question. Is the motivation for the song that she feels like she is being slut-shamed, or is it about Carole and Heather invading her privacy by coming in her room? 

[AnnA]

IMO Carole was making the argument for the men being strangers.

 

That's what I thought too.  She was making a point about strangers having unfettered access to the house they were sharing.  It's one thing to bring a man home and have him in your own room.  It's quite another to let them roam around the house naked when there are other women in the house.  At least LuAnn had enough sense to send her man packing in the middle of the night.  

[KFC]

I still like Luanne, because she's really fun to watch sometimes and I enjoy how selfish she is, but Bethenny was always right about her. She is a snake. 

 

So much this. I like watching Luann, I would stop short of saying I like her. And I can't wait to see how Nakedgate unfolds. That, and how she tries to explain the bizarre timeline of her grievances against Carole about the chef. She makes petty fun to watch.

[Grneyedldy]

I haven't listened to Lu's song, or read any of the interviews she has given about the song, so I'm clueless about it and have a question. Is the motivation for the song that she feels like she is being slut-shamed, or is it about Carole and Heather invading her privacy by coming in her room?

I have no idea. I'm not sure #NakedManGate even has anything to do with the song and fight. Carole tweeted that LuAnn was pissed because she walked into her room without knocking. I'm thinking that may have been during one of Lu's flying trapeze acts.

[KungFuBunny]

I have no idea. I'm not sure #NakedManGate even has anything to do with the song and fight. Carole tweeted that LuAnn was pissed because she walked into her room without knocking. I'm thinking that may have been during one of Lu's flying trapeze acts.

 

Luanne premiered her song Girl Code on WWHL

 

Carole & Heather will be on WWHL this Tuesday...prayer circle....I want them to premiere their song NekkidDudeCode

Edited July 13, 2015 by KungFuBunny

[Almost 3000]

Housewives do tend to say this a lot and not necessarily mean it. Heather may be different, but Lisa Rinna said it about Kim Richards and the same day she said it they made up.  

 

I still like Luanne, because she's really fun to watch sometimes and I enjoy how selfish she is, but Bethenny was always right about her. She is a snake. 

I feel the same way about LuAnn and this season Heather sort of proved the snakiness. Last season Heather befriended her and got Carole, who previously didn't like her to at least calm the dislike down. Heather even said she invited LuAnn to everything she could in LuAnn's downgraded "friend of" season. So much for biting the hand and all that...

[KungFuBunny]

Nekkid Dude Code lyrics

 

I don't care who you bang

As long as you let him hang

 

In your....suite

Leave your man meat

Outta my suite

 

 

 

 

 

[zoeysmom]

Exactly. It would have been fine to have the guy come to the house, bang the shit out of Lu or whoever wanted it, and then stay with said woman, or leave. Nothing that anyone has said at this point has been contradictory. The whole point of this deal is that they didn't like a stranger having the run of the place when they knew nothing about it. 

 

As far as the slut-shaming (I dreaded that this episode would take us here), Heather didn't judge Lu for bringing home a guy. She judged her because she (or Ramona) allowed the guy that was brought home sleep in her suite. I shudder to think this is where we have come in our fear of slut-shaming. Heather cannot even tell Lu that her morals are different than hers because she wouldn't like the idea that there was a naked stranger that she was unaware of in her suite? To just say that to Lu means that she is a slut-shamer? Please someone just tell me "no". 

I think Luann feels different and hence the idiotic "Girl Code" song.  I think Luann resents Carole and heather hanging out being friends with her and then blabbing everything they learn about her in the off season.  They all have little laughs over worn out slogans like "What happen in T& C stays in T & C," and the first night telling Ramona she needed to date -get laid, BTW major slut shaming on Ramona's part of Sonja telling her she sleeps with everyone she meets, more of the silly stuff with Heather telling Ramona about the owner of the bar and the send off by Kristen, LuAnn et al. for Ramona to go for it. 

 

Heather never said to Luann the man was in her suite--these are the little nuances that make things much bigger than they are.  She said the man was in an adjacent room.  Heather has the right to be offended and LuAnn has the right to say she would not be bothered by a naked sleeping man.  Heather has the right to say they have different values--I refrain from ethics because they are on a reality show, so that in and of itself seems to leave one ethically challenged. This is the discussion I want to hear and am really anxious to get Ramona's take.  Carole says strangers okay to bang but not okay to leave unattended.  Actually Carole said she did not want them bringing men into the house and letting them have the run of the place. 

[Mya Stone]

Guess what time it is?

It's time to agree to disagree and move on!

[Leroux]

Is there any chance that Luann believes that Heather and Carole broke girls code because they made a huge deal out of this ergo giving it air time and exposing the fact that Ramona and Luann have had sex with random strangers?

I mean, if Heather didn't react so strongly this would have totally been a non issue, the trip would have ended as that was their last night. IMO Luann is upset because she thought that Heather and Carole were her friends and had her back, at this point every one in that cast knows that Luann likes to have sex and she said herself in this trip that she wanted to have a line of guys to choose from so there was always the possibility that this was going to happen.

Maybe Luann expected that if heather or Carole had any questions to come quietly and without alerting the filming crew , without a mike and ask her, if they would have done that, she could have explained that she did bring a guy the night before but she saw him out and that would have been the end of it. heather could had zoom in on Ramona. Heather and Carole were rightfully outraged but I do question their motivations, did they needed to get themselves miked to confront every body else on camera? If they wanted answers and wanted to question and rightfully so, why did they needed to get their mikes on?

I think at this point it is safe to say that Heather is not a newbie nor is she naive about how filming goes, there are plenty of things that all of these women do not want to air and they have some sort of code about it, by Heather and Carole bringing this kind of reaction they are securing that it is out there for public consumption and viewers scrutiny. IMO that is what really bothers Luann.

Edited July 14, 2015 by Leroux

[Lola16]

Ramona sure knows how to turn it around so she's the victim.  Glad Heather didn't take the bait.

 

The bloom is off the road with Dorinda.  Ugly weepy drunk.

 

Next day, it's Heather's turn to be all weepy and dramatic.

 

Best thing of the episode is Luann's "Don't be all uncool".