Rotting Y&R: The Spoiler Thread

[Snaporaz]

This is probably a stretch as far as possible scenarios go, but could Phyllis feeling "conflicted" maybe mean she feels guilty about destroying Jack's and Billy's relationship, and she does something to try to push them back together, leading to the "Abbott showdown"?  The spoiler is vague enough, right?  

[miamama]

[miamama]

5 hours ago, Snaporaz said:

This is probably a stretch as far as possible scenarios go, but could Phyllis feeling "conflicted" maybe mean she feels guilty about destroying Jack's and Billy's relationship, and she does something to try to push them back together, leading to the "Abbott showdown"?  The spoiler is vague enough, right?  

Could be. And I wouldn't actually mind this. But there is the final line: Who will Phyllis end up with? 

[HeatLifer]

I dunno. They're going to pull Philly out of their asses again for sweeps. They already revved it up with Billy again today. It's not ending. It's gotta come to a conclusion.

[miamama]

40 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I dunno. They're going to pull Philly out of their asses again for sweeps. They already revved it up with Billy again today. It's not ending. It's gotta come to a conclusion.

It will be resolved because the new team kicks in Dec 7. They've kept Philly on life support in order to have it for sweeps. I was trying to figure out why the fuck they wouldn't just let it die. But it's clear why - it had to be in stasis until November and Mal's first sweeps. It also explains why Billy hasn't been contrite with Jack yet. Once he is, Philly ends. His feelings for Phyllis are what's keeping him an asshole with Jack. 

Edited October 28, 2016 by miamama

[miamama]

Finally watched Friday CDN and considered it in the context of the sweeps Philly/Phack spoiler. 

Phyllis is showing zero signs of being conflicted. In fact she reveals to Summer that she is playing along with Jack's plan against Victor to "save the man she loves from himself." I was looking for signs of her doing this out of guilt or responsibility or anything to indicate she's "torn" between Jack and Billy. But nada. She even repeatedly referred to her affair as a "mistake" during her conversation with Summer.

Jack is of course having moments of weakness but he's doing his best to hold firm and keep Phyllis at arm's length. This is not a man who will fight his loser brother for his cheating ex-wife in some "showdown." And he sure as hell won't do it in the next three and a half weeks.

Even if -- for fun -- I play devil's advocate and entertain a 180 and Phyllis says "I was saving Jack because I made this mess but the man I love is really Billy" that would mean Jack would in effect be betrayed AGAIN by Phyllis (in a period of a few weeks). He would have trusted her (albeit trepidatiously) only to be kicked in the balls ONE MORE TIME. And I don't even know how PB would play it. How could he? He'd pretty much have to kill Phyllis and Billy. Because Jack CLEARLY still has strong feelings for Phyllis.

Billy has a wonderful happy time with his kids and ex but finds time to sulk about Phyllis and Jack working together and drinking late night caffeine, and then like a psycho orders Phyllis's latte for himself.

This resurgence from Billy re: Phyllis is about his feelings. I'm expecting Billy to try with Phyllis again and it goes super badly or Jack to have it out with Billy AGAIN or something to make Billy snap out of it. He cannot get back with Vicki if she is seen as his consolation prize. It's bullshit historically and a terrible foundation on which to build Villy 4.0. (And that is clearly coming.)

So in fact I think the conflicted person in the spoiler should have been Billy. He will resolve his feelings during this sweeps, thereby allowing EVERYONE to move the fuck on from this horrible storyline. Billy has to be done with Phyllis. FINITO. Phyllis has to stop having affair related conversations with him. Otherwise Jack and Phyllis cannot move foreword. It's gross as fuck that Jack has to deal with this shit. And it leaves the Abbotts in a mess. I mean seriously. Billy is still pining over Phyllis while she's fixing things with Jack, his brother??? It's NUTS.

But of course we've been watching this (and Billy written in this hateful way) because show has been in an interim period of no HW and therefore no new stories and so they wanted to drag the big stories they do have into sweeps. So here we are. And here we go.

Edited October 30, 2016 by miamama

[crosby777]

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This show, like B&B, suffers from a lack of interesting writing, good actors/actresses and good plots.

OMG so true.,. the lack of writing and the lack of talent on this show makes it hard to keep watching.

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And now Victoria is added to the mix. Billy and Victoria bickering and pretending not to be into each other is juvenile. 

AH is such a horrid actor I don't like her in any of the scenes.. she and Billy need to be over once and for all..

[crosby777]

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. He barely gets airtime or story and isn't allowed to even live like a billionaire. 

Thank the Soap Gods for small miracles.. Devon sucks... he is such a boring little wimp.

[crosby777]

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The actor is not a problem.

I disagree... Bryton is a very boring actor and the character is just as boring.. they could kill Darvon off and I don't think many would care.. he does not have a large fan base..

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They ruined Ronan with the Phyllis thing AFAIC.

LOL that story was the reason I liked Ronan.. otherwise he was a boring stiff.. but when paired with Phyllis he came alive.

[crosby777]

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And I agree about JB. I didn't get the appeal. Plus he was pudgie.

I loved that he was not a skinny little boy man.. I sure did not see pudgie.. different strokes for sure.. skinny little men are so yuck.

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Rumor is that he is for Mariah but toss Abby in the mix too.

He is way too little for Mariah.. Mariah needs a big strapping kind of guy..

[crosby777]

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 I truly care about no one but Sharon and Mariah in this. And they are the bad guys. 

They sure are the bad guys.. I cannot wait till those heffa's pay.. they make me sick.. and I thought I hated that nasty stunt before. HA

[crowsworks]

On ‎10‎/‎28‎/‎2016 at 9:54 AM, miamama said:

Yeah, just seeing some tweets from a Philly stan that she cannot believe show would try to sell the idea that Phack had anything close to what Philly had.

   lol.

http://www.cbs.com/feedback/     #Let Jack WIN!

[miamama]

A bit on Traci's return.

[boes]

38 minutes ago, miamama said:

A bit on Traci's return.

I can't wait to see her!

But THIS year, for Christmas, could she retrieve Colleen's heart?

[valleycliffe]

guess who else is coming back....

glodigger will be back in december.

http://www.tvinsider.com/article/102044/the-young-and-the-restless-judith-chapman-makes-a-christmas-eve-visit/

[ByTor]

Yay!!!  I miss Gloria :(

ETA: I just read the article linked above, Judith Chapman seems so awesome!

Edited November 2, 2016 by ByTor

[ByTor]

Yep, Sharon's getting ragged on...

http://www.tvinsider.com/article/100925/the-young-and-the-restless-sharon-case-on-her-characters-explosive-baby-secret/

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So who’s going to be pissed at Sharon, besides everybody?
The fallout is even bigger than she fears. Of course, her husband, Dylan, is really mad that this baby isn’t his and that she’s been keeping this horrible secret and it’s going to be very hard on the marriage. But the news breaks on GC Buzz, so everyone in town is in shock and very upset. Nikki, who already detests Sharon, now has a new reason to hate her. Wait till you see those scenes!

[MollyB]

51 minutes ago, ByTor said:

But the news breaks on GC Buzz,

Seriously?  Who the fcuk outside of GC would be interested in the kid's paternity and Sharon's secret keeping? 

[miamama]

I'm feeling like it will be a family-oriented Christmas this year. MTS tweeted not long ago about "an old-fashioned Newman family Christmas" again. Traci is back and now Gloria. 

[valleycliffe]

5 minutes ago, miamama said:

I'm feeling like it will be a family-oriented Christmas this year. MTS tweeted not long ago about "an old-fashioned Newman family Christmas" again. Traci is back and now Gloria. 

since the new writers scripts will be in effect, i am hoping there won't be any scenes of sharon alone at christmas with the sads then show scenes of faith with the newman's all happy...

[peacheslatour]

I'm sick to death of sad Sharon. I don't give two shits if she ever finds lurve again. Just give her  a decent s/l for once.

[boes]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

I'm feeling like it will be a family-oriented Christmas this year. MTS tweeted not long ago about "an old-fashioned Newman family Christmas" again. Traci is back and now Gloria. 

So I guess that means Victor and Nikki hang their collection of shrunken heads and his shriveled gonads on the HUUUUUUUUUUUUUGEST tree that can be found, while all the Newman progeny gather around to kiss that pruny ass?

I'll pass.

[miamama]

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Billy goes from crying over Phyllis, to mentioning "Bella's dad" to Chloe, to bonding with Victoria. This has to be a record of potential love interests for one character.

Right? It's so STUPID. lol. He found out about Victor today because he was probing Natalie about TRAVIS, his ex-wife's lover. Then he runs to his sister-in-law, who he fucked and can't seem to get over (even though she doesn't want him and -- you know -- is his brother's wife), to tell her what he's learned. Then he goes to Chloe and has the sads.

He's the stan troll. Billy will be whatever the stans need him to be. Concerned about Vicki, in love with Phyllis, Chloe's babby daddy.

Villy, Philly or Chilly: He's your MAN!

 

Also not seeing conflicted Phyllis yet. And next week, locking lips with Jack (who I'm guessing will not be into it) is what? More proof she's torn between two lovers?

So that means halfway through sweeps, Mal's "spoiler" is yet to play out.

[HeatLifer]

15 minutes ago, miamama said:

He's the stan troll. Billy will be whatever the stans need him to be. Concerned about Vicki, in love with Phyllis, Chloe's babby daddy.

Villy, Philly or Chilly: He's your MAN!

This. And best part is the character is not strong enough to pull this off.

15 minutes ago, miamama said:

Also not seeing conflicted Phyllis yet. And next week, locking lips with Jack (who I'm guessing will not be into it) is what? More proof she's torn between two lovers?

She keeps telling Billy to GTFO. So she's going to look so stupid if she suddenly wants him again or is conflicted. All these characters have to be twisted so Billy can thrive. RME.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

 

He's the stan troll. Billy will be whatever the stans need him to be. Concerned about Vicki, in love with Phyllis, Chloe's babby daddy.

Villy, Philly or Chilly: He's your MAN!

Oh wow! I wonder how many other women he can be forced with--maybe he'll romance a lonely Sharon as they bond over being town pariahs and give us Silly? Or he'll  pal around with Mariah and woo her since his other favorite enemy Kevin is best friends with her?

Oooh, maybe he'll woo Nikki as a way to stick it to Victor, and he'll be yet another ex for mom and daughter to share!

Or we could break Twitter by showing that the hate that he and Cane have had was just misplaced UST and have them fall into bed with one another, pissing off the Lane stans in the process. We could call it Bane and Y&R can claim to be progressive. Hooray!!!

Or maybe Billy's peen will cure Patty of her psychosis, which is irony worthy of its own Alana Morissette song.

So many possibilities!

::facepalm::

..but really, this is insane. I've never seen such a hard sell of a truly repellant character. Not even Ridge "lets have a contest for my attention" Forrester or the Waffle Crown Prince Liam Spencer have managed THIS MANY inexplicable love interests at once, and this is even with the writers acknowledging that Billy is a complete selfish ass. Just send the guy away for a year or five and cut the losses.

Edited November 3, 2016 by Anna Yolei

[miamama]

47 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

Or we could break Twitter by showing that the hate that he and Cane have had was just misplaced UST and have them fall into bed with one another, pissing off the Lane stans in the process. We could call it Bane and Y&R can claim to be progressive. Hooray!!!

They actually had a line. Something like: "Nothing for me?" from Billy when Lily kissed Cane. ugh

I really do think show is floating right now in terms of story direction. They want to clean up Pratt shit and Sully is the last of it and they will drag it through sweeps but they need more than one annoying story.

It's too bad the Sussman era didn't begin one month earlier. Would have been perfect.

They pulled Philly out of their asses (to quote our dear HeatLifer) for sweeps because soaps love triangles for the chatter they create. So they are teasing fans with Billy and the ladies. Because really where are all the men in that age range? JH is gone. SB is going -- and along with JM is tied up in basically the only real sweeps story. Cane is in Lane. Stitch is getting divorced and SeC is going (I hope). GR and BJ have their backburner stories and are never really treated like "leading men."

So there's Billy the Douche.

It's like a dystopian tale wherein there is only one horrid man left on earth for all the women and they must fight to the death for this loser and his sperm if their offspring is to lead the next generation....or something.

Traci arrives Nov. 17th I believe. I hope she kicks Billy in the balls. 

Edited November 3, 2016 by miamama
because I used Devon's name instead of Bryton's

[Big Blue Plate]

Don't worry about Case... she loves her storylines:

 

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On that topic, a lot of your fans aren’t happy that your character keeps being written as the liar, the villain, the nutcase, the doormat. How do you feel about it?

CASE:  They complain that Sharon’s always the town pariah, and I understand that, but it’s a soap opera! I have loved all of my storylines. They’ve been challenging and fun and I have never sat around wishing for something better. Maybe the fans don’t like seeing Sharon disliked by so many people in Genoa City. I get that. And, yeah, maybe she doesn’t need to be in trouble all the time. The last time she had any extended period of strength and happiness was when she married Adam. Things were actually going well for her then, but things fell apart as they always do. There’s no drama in always being happy or never doing wrong. That’s just not Sharon. If she was always the good girl, I wouldn’t still be here after 22 years.

[miamama]

34 minutes ago, Big Blue Plate said:

Don't worry about Case... she loves her storylines:

 

She really likes Shadam, doesn't she? 

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

So they are teasing fans with Billy and the ladies. Because really where are all the men in that age range? JH is gone. SB is going -- and along with JM is tied up in basically the only real sweeps story. Cane is in Lane. Stitch is getting divorced and SeC is going (I hope). GR and BJ have their backburner stories and are never really treated like "leading men."

So there's Billy the Douche.

 

I was trying to think of the legacy children they could bring back, but I think Maria Bell gutted many of the males, like Ricky (*sigh*) and Ronan was ruined by fucking Phylthy and then stalking Lauren because that was certainly an original story that we've never seen for her, Nope, not at all.

Then Chance ended up in the Aussie Witness Protection or some nonsense. For whatever reason, Noah goes largely unnoticed and Kyle has been hit or miss, with far more misses. I forgot if the actor playing Daniel left to pursue other opportunities or if he gorgeous squeezed out by JFP. 

Scotty? Never heard of him. Or Fen, either.

It's probably too soon to SORAS Moses, Reed or the kid JT and Mac had together off screen.

Yeeeeaaaaaah.

[valleycliffe]

new casting call is out

http://www.soapoperadigest.com/content/yr-casting-new-role-5/

wonder if it's for reed.

[ByTor]

13 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Oh wow! I wonder how many other women he can be forced with

Just stick him with Christine so they can both go away & be annoying and self-righteous by themselves.

[PatsyandEddie]

11 hours ago, miamama said:

She really likes Shadam, doesn't she? 

I would vote for Dean Winters to be cast as Adam. He could definitely take over the snark.JMHO though. 

[TwistedSoul7]

That casting screams Reed. Glad he coming back full time. I never understood keeping him off canvas. Sally so far is winning in my book. 

[miamama]

Yes! Reed needs to be home and be older. I hope he hates Billy and kicks him in the balls.

[DivaT]

I was hoping for a child that Christine and paul could adopt so that the show could soras him to about 25 or so in 3 years to add more maless in that age range with connections to canvas.

Edited November 3, 2016 by DivaT

[valleycliffe]

5 hours ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

That casting screams Reed. Glad he coming back full time. I never understood keeping him off canvas. Sally so far is winning in my book. 

i think it was only because max page had health/heart issues...i will miss him as reed.

[jewel21]

I`m sad they`re recasting Reed. I always loved Max Page and hoped he would come back eventually.

[Anna Yolei]

7 hours ago, valleycliffe said:

i think it was only because max page had health/heart issues...i will miss him as reed.

That's part of it. I think the other part that is more prevalent is soaps do not like to deal with is women having young kids with someone other than the guy she's with at the moment. If they have to deal at all, the father(s) are written out the show or made to be villains more often than not.

At any rate, I'm glad Reed hasn't been forgotten about the way Lauren's children have. And I too hope he's here to stir the shit re: Billy and the shitty way he's treated his mom. Please, soap God, do not let Reed be another Ridge Jr.

[Big Blue Plate]

What exactly happened to Fen?

Scottie's busy doctoring in Montreal or something, yes?

[jewel21]

Fen is off at college studying to be a lawyer.

[ByTor]

Last I saw him he was stuck under a dome :)

[miamama]

So SOD reports that Jack tells Phyllis he's promoting her to a position in the NY office. They argue because she says he's doing this because of Ashley's interference. In the heat of the argument they kiss. According to MY the kiss is like a jolt of electricity.

Phyllis is pleased and sees that she still has power over him. He realizes yes she does have power over him so he needs to get her out of town asap. She'll keep fighting for Jack, spurred on by the kiss.

The kiss scene plays out in todays CDN I believe. I post this because how does this jibe with what Mal Young (the same man) said in the November soaps preview in SID? (Upthread: Phyllis is conflicted between the two brothers etc.)

Let's see how this plays out.

[miamama]

So it played out exactly as Mal described it in this week's SOD. 

Yeah, as I figured the "sweeps previews" were bullshit because show really had no real drama for sweeps. ButtBiscuit spent today's show all up in Victoria's business -- which is fine by me (except even Vicki doesn't deserve him). Also Travis is being destroyed so that Douchebag Billy can be seen as a viable alternative. 

[TwistedSoul7]

8 hours ago, miamama said:

Also Travis is being destroyed so that Douchebag Billy can be seen as a viable alternative. 

I get that sense as well. Travis is being really annoying these days and Billy, while still a jackass, is presented like the more logical one. I do think Billy wants Victoria and their life together back and is determined to break up her relationship to do it. He is playing games. He literally spent the last episode doing mind games with both of them and it worked!

Travis knows he fucked up with Victor. He should be trying to smooth things over instead of acting like the man is his coworker and not his boss. Getting drunk and trying to fight Billy in the middle of the day with the kids upstairs? WTF? He has lost his mind. Then he runs to his ex after the fight and is clearly about to have some drunk sex that he will no doubt regret once he sobers up.

Billy is playing this perfectly. He acts differently with both of them. With Victoria he is being charming (I guess) and supportive but with Travis he is provoking constantly so when he does react he can play it off with Victoria. My question is when did this switch occur? 2 weeks ago he was obsessed with Phyllis and now he is stalking Victoria. 

But at least he not stalking Phyllis anymore. Jack's fight of temptation is over. His heart can't deal with it but everything else in him is over it. I will give it to Phyllis for not trashing Sharon. She related because she completely screwed up her own life, so who is she to talk? The show making it clear that Jack is who she wants. He is who she thinks about. The Philly stuff seems dead but who knows. And Traci is back next week. I think she will be trying to help Phack reunite.

Based on BTS pictures they are currently filming the New Years Eve episodes. Everyone are all dressed up at the TOT for what appears to be a gala held by the AbbottsWinters Foundation. So far I am impressed by SSM's production decisions. Very curious to see how the scripts play out.

[DivaT]

That gala is right out of Bill Bell's play book. I remember when Nikki would put together the Arts gala every year. I also remember when Sharon came on the spot wanting to help and Victor wanted Nikki to allow her to help.  I was very young but remember thinking, "Nikki, Sharon is trying to usurp your position".  I had read Jane Austen so usurp was a part of my vocabulary. lol. 

 

I think it's some kind of auction. There are number paddles. here is a picture https://postimg.org/image/gytsi5ye3/

Edited November 11, 2016 by DivaT

[miamama]

1 hour ago, TwistedSoul7 said:

I get that sense as well. Travis is being really annoying these days and Billy, while still a jackass, is presented like the more logical one. I do think Billy wants Victoria and their life together back and is determined to break up her relationship to do it. He is playing games. He literally spent the last episode doing mind games with both of them and it worked!

Travis knows he fucked up with Victor. He should be trying to smooth things over instead of acting like the man is his coworker and not his boss. Getting drunk and trying to fight Billy in the middle of the day with the kids upstairs? WTF? He has lost his mind. Then he runs to his ex after the fight and is clearly about to have some drunk sex that he will no doubt regret once he sobers up.

Billy is playing this perfectly. He acts differently with both of them. With Victoria he is being charming (I guess) and supportive but with Travis he is provoking constantly so when he does react he can play it off with Victoria. My question is when did this switch occur? 2 weeks ago he was obsessed with Phyllis and now he is stalking Victoria. 

But at least he not stalking Phyllis anymore. Jack's fight of temptation is over. His heart can't deal with it but everything else in him is over it. I will give it to Phyllis for not trashing Sharon. She related because she completely screwed up her own life, so who is she to talk? The show making it clear that Jack is who she wants. He is who she thinks about. The Philly stuff seems dead but who knows. And Traci is back next week. I think she will be trying to help Phack reunite.

Based on BTS pictures they are currently filming the New Years Eve episodes. Everyone are all dressed up at the TOT for what appears to be a gala held by the AbbottsWinters Foundation. So far I am impressed by SSM's production decisions. Very curious to see how the scripts play out.

Yes, Traci is back next U.S. Thursday and there's a spoiler that says "Phyllis gets an unexpected ally." So I'm sure she's there to help Phack reunite. The Abbotts can't be repaired if Philly exists or Billy is lusting after Phyllis in any way whatsoever. After Traci gives Phyllis a pep talk she'll surely go to Billy and snap him out of his insanity. A spoiler for Thanksgiving week (week of Nov. 21) says "Billy seeks forgiveness."

Billy has to admit he never truly loved Phyllis; certainly not like he loves or has loved Victoria. That is another fix that has to happen if show is going to move forward with Villy -- which appears to be happening. AH also referred to their pairing in an interview the other day with a newspaper (about an appearance of cast members next weekend). She described Billy as her character's "love interest" and said they have a "romeo and juliet thing going on."

Gods, I believe Philly might finally be completely done. 

[valleycliffe]

13 minutes ago, miamama said:

Billy has to admit he never truly loved Phyllis;

he might say it, but some won't believe him.

just like when sharon told adam she never really loved him, she just needed him and to this day, some don't believe the statement...***kanyeshrug***

[TwistedSoul7]

Billy doesn't even have to admit it. His actions are proving it. Billy went from begging Victoria to being obsessed with Phyllis while loathing Jack to now back to wanting his family with the Abbotts and Victoria. It kind of screams he was going through a phase. Billy talked a lot of game during Philly about fighting for Phyllis but he hasn't really lifted a finger in all of this. He flirts. She rejects. He leaves. Says a lot actually.

But yes, I do suspect IF they are trying to reunite Villy that Billy will be shown to make it very clear that she is who he wants. We already got him waxing poetic about missing his children and now out of the blue he is about Victoria. The reintroduction of Reed to the canvas shall also be interesting. He will be a teenager and we all know that means angst. How much you want to bet this will be a story to showcase a gentler side of Billy. He will help the boy.

As for Traci. She is clearly back to mend the broken Abbotts. That has always been her role. She lives in NYC and maybe she hears about Jack's transfer and reaches out to Phyllis. Traci is going to be sticking around for a while according to the actress so Traci will be plenty busy with that dysfunction. It will be nice seeing all the Abbotts together. They need to heal. 

3 minutes ago, valleycliffe said:

he might say it, but some won't believe him.

just like when sharon told adam she never really loved him, she just needed him and to this day, some don't believe the statement...***kanyeshrug***

I do think it is different. Shadam went on for years. Got married. It was a whole damn back and forth mess.

Philly barely hit a year and both already looking in other directions. It truly was a plot point relationship that fizzled once the plot was over. 

[spinxella]

I will never understand this insistence that Billy and Victoria "belong" together or the neverending attempts by this show to force them into a coupling.

They have been visual sewage since Billy Miller left. Putrid and unwatchable.

[miamama]

Yes. Philly is different than Shadam. It will take the noisy stans a bit to shut up (so I hear you, Valley.) but they'll move on to some new lame love to ship. (For example on Twitter some Philly stans were shipping Phyllis and the day player Curtis Fielding now that it appears Billy has moved on to Vicki). Lol. 

But I do think Billy needs to say the words that Victoria is who he wants above all and always has. If only to fully repudiate the stupidity of the previous regime's writing.

Its easy to do because for all Philly's grand declarations they never did anything to actually be together. She refused to leave or tell Jack and Billy kept quiet as well. And clearly he has no fucks to give about Jack's feelings so why didn't he just tell his brother?

In Sally's hands this should be cleaned up fairly easily.

Fingers crossed.