S07.E11: Fashionably Fired Up

[AnnA]

Idk, maybe it's not the actual crying that's rubbing me the wrong way & turning me off.  It's the timing.  In front of the cameras -- and seemingly non-stop & publicly in front of this group.  

 

I'd bet that Bethenny has cried when she's not in front of the cameras too.

[film noire]

Heather and Kristen=GREATEST egos?

 

No, I said most "foolish"  -- on your list, you've got crazy & cunning & cocky & clownish -- and Ramona (always in her own category!) --  but none of the women on your list are foolish.  Even Jill (unlike Heather and Kristin) had grounds to expect she might be able to piss all over Bethenny given Jill's then popularity (before Jill pissed all over herself instead).  And (since I'm pretty sure we're starting to get a seventies throwback, "stoned Mary Richards and hyperactive Rhoda" storyline with Carole & Bethenny) Heather's foolishness might land her between those two, and there's no way for Heather to win in that position, imo. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

And since "camera-ready" is what that work demands, the B is delivering!

 

Not really -- certainly not from a business standpoint.  She ain't delivering at all.  Advertisers will not be happy the ratings are down significantly.  Neither will the execs at Comcast or NBC/Universal or ultimately Bravo & Satan Andy & Bethenny too.  Then her tears might be well-timed, when she gets the news they won't pay her a mil for another season of blah ratings & her chances of getting her own show on Bravo are zilch.  Since she's already said twice now the crying is gonna stop, she herself clearly knows this crap is tired.

 

I'd bet that Bethenny has cried when she's not in front of the cameras too.

 

Yup, but maybe she's saving a lot of it for her performances for us.  Thanks a ton for that, B -- maybe you might wanna go in your multi-million dollar joint & cry away from the cams.  I'd prefer not to see it.

 

So a friend of mine just told me he spotted B the other day.  He lives near her old place in Tribeca & used to see her all the time.  He said he hasn't seen her in quite a while & was surprised to see her.  And he said she was alone & looked extremely tense -- but no crying & no peeing in the streets.  Anyone shocked?

Edited June 20, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[Celia Rubenstein]

What is the whole story with the ratings? Is there any way to find out what the new episode first-run showing viewership is and how DVR, on-demand and rerun viewing effect the final numbers?  Because I don't know that first run numbers are telling the whole story. 

 

I know that I almost never watch the show on its first run. I usually watch it from the DVR.  I am sure a lot of others do, too.  And unlike most other shows, these RH episodes play in re-runs constantly.  And people actually watch those reruns, too.  Surely Bravo has a way to compile all this data.  Where is it? 

Edited June 20, 2015 by Celia Rubenstein

[AnnA]

What is the whole story with the ratings? Is there any way to find out what the new episode first-run showing viewership is and how DVR, on-demand and rerun viewing effect the final numbers?  Because I don't know that first run numbers are telling the whole story. 

 

I know that I almost never watch the show on its first run. I usually watch it from the DVR.  I am sure a lot of others do, too.  And unlike most other shows, these RH episodes play in re-runs constantly.  And people actually watch those reruns, too.  Surely Bravo has a way to compile all this data.  Where is it? 

 

Nielsen has partnered with Adobe to revamp its rating system but it hasn't been rolled out yet..  The networks and sponsors do not rely solely on Nielsen's current rating system because it's so out of date.  They get additional numbers from service providers as to On Demand and DVR viewings. i.e. "live plus 3 day" and "live plus 7 day."  They also factor in online viewing of their shows on the Bravo website.

 

Here's a link to a piece about the planned changes in Fortune magazine.  It's dated October 2014.  It's an interesting piece because it describes the current antiquated rating system.

 

Fortune on Nielsen Ratings Changes

Edited June 20, 2015 by AnnA

[SFoster21]

Not really -- certainly not from a business standpoint. She ain't delivering at all. Advertisers will not be happy the ratings are down significantly. Neither will the execs at Comcast or NBC/Universal or ultimately Bravo & Satan Andy & Bethenny too. Then her tears might be well-timed, when she gets the news they won't pay her a mil for another season of blah ratings & her chances of getting her own show on Bravo are zilch. Since she's already said twice now the crying is gonna stop, she herself clearly knows this crap is tired.

Yup, but maybe she's saving a lot of it for her performances for us. Thanks a ton for that, B -- maybe you might wanna go in your multi-million dollar joint & cry away from the cams. I'd prefer not to see it.

So a friend of mine just told me he spotted B the other day. He lives near her old place in Tribeca & used to see her all the time. He said he hasn't seen her in quite a while & was surprised to see her. And he said she was alone & looked extremely tense -- but no crying & no peeing in the streets. Anyone shocked?

Well, you're watching.

Eileen Davidson was paid large money on RHBH, with no apppreciable "ratings" increase, and Andy is not in disgrace. How is this show remotely the same as a live sports playoff?

Bethenny is box office and the season will be like one to three, less than lackluster.

I have heard, just as anyone has "heard," that cable stations make money by being included on the dial. Bravo is on the dial. I have also heard that "a million" viewers is golden. So I have no expert opinion on this, but, once again, I'm happy!

Old shows have fewer viewers after a time. Now, that's a fact.

Is Bethenny's compensation based on "ratings"?

If not, and she's the "loser," having apparently single-handedly destroyed Andy Cohen's brand by being paid SO MUCH MONEY that it destroyed everyone, how does that relate to the text?

These shows, re-edited or not, were filmed months ago before "ratings" were an issue. How is that germane?

These posts need their own forum.

Edited June 20, 2015 by SFoster21

[ryebread]

IMO, the egotist's would be #1, Bethenny and #2, Ramona! Heather had no "animosity" towards Bethenny until Bethenny treated her like crap, same with Kristen. JMO

 

I just tried to rate the egos in my head and I couldn't.  Off the top I thought Heather and Beth.  But then there's:  "It's MRS. DuLesseps to you, peon". And Royal Ramona!  Even Sonja with the sexy J thinks she's all that and a supersize bag of chips.

 

Interestingly, I find Carole to have the least amount of ego.  I guess it's the way that she chooses to portray herself, imo, by dumbing herself down. Kristen, I just don't think about.  She seems harmless and probably nice.  But when I think of who is the fullest of themselves, I come back to Heather and Bethenny.  In that order.

[KungFuBunny]

Ramona called Kristen dumb in her TH in the Berkshires - this is on camera with sound

Ramona called Kristen dumb to her face in Luanne's Warwick suite - also on camera with sound

 

Kristen is more upset that Carole told her Bethenny said she was dumb and something about trademarking - this conversation (Carole/Bethenny)  not on camera or recorded.

 

Thank goodness she feels pretty

Edited June 21, 2015 by KungFuBunny

[FozzyBear]

So true.

All of the HW's in this years cast, with the exception of Dorinda, have been on the Reality Rodeo for several seasons. They must be aware of producer manipulations and machinations. I often wonder if production has wardrobe/hair and makeup/stylist whispering things to the HW's - I heard so and so said this about you. Also wonder if they make the ladies wait to film siting some camera/sound delay and offer them alcohol. Fast forward to filming the scene, one will be smashed, one may harbor resentment towards another HW cause they just heard a rumor, and all are bitchy because they've been sitting for an hour waiting to film....instant drama caught on camera

This is one of the times when Bravo using the structure of pretending a show isn't being filmed is making everyone in the argument look like a bigger asshole than I think they are. If you fully suspend disbelief then these women are acting put out because another woman they just met is reluctant to go to parties and on vacations when she has her daughter. Well that's crazy. I have many friends with joint custody and first rule of thumb is that when they have their kids they aren't doing much they can't bring the kids to. It's not at all strang to pass on weekend trips and dinners out because you have your kid, especially with a group of friends you aren't that close to. But if you remember they're filming a TV show and everyone is talking about scheduling work events then a little bit of grumbling about who is and isn't there is more understandable. Conversely, if we forget about the show it looks like Bethanny gets the vapors about people bringing up anything social when she has Bryn. But if we remember the show then she's being questioned about the provisions in her contract that have already been negotiated and cleared with her boss and it's happening on camera while she's in a custody battle and may be concerned about footage being used to show she doesn't spend her time with Bryn actually being with Bryn and by the time she walks into these events she may have already gone 3 rounds with production about what she does and doesn't have to do to fulfill her contract and just explodes at the idea of having to negotiate her work schedule yet again with people who aren't her boss and don't actually have the final say. If they were allowed to talk about their contracts and such I think all of this would make more sense.

[BlackMamba]

True we need DVR numbers too. Based on Andy claiming he's popping bottles tweet a few weeks back he is including the DVR numbers. Again funny hes talking DVR numbers all of sudden especially with this show since Bethenny is back. I just think Andy boy is saving face or downplaying the horrid LIVE numbers.

I actually did some quick math and Season 6 of RHONY averaged 1.34 with 23 episodes. Season 7 just 11 episodes in is at 1.30! You can feel free to check for yourself if I made any mistake but that's pretty bad! And that was with Aviva, Perv George and they went to Montana as their group trip.

Edited June 21, 2015 by BlackMamba

[comatoast]

Nielsen has partnered with Adobe to revamp its rating system but it hasn't been rolled out yet..  The networks and sponsors do not rely solely on Nielsen's current rating system because it's so out of date.  They get additional numbers from service providers as to On Demand and DVR viewings. i.e. "live plus 3 day" and "live plus 7 day."  They also factor in online viewing of their shows on the Bravo website.

 

Here's a link to a piece about the planned changes in Fortune magazine.  It's dated October 2014.  It's an interesting piece because it describes the current antiquated rating system.

 

Fortune on Nielsen Ratings Changes

Thank you for posting this. I've watched this show online for three seasons now and was wondering if the increasing number of people streaming content was being factored in at all.

[bagger]

There are so many things I dislike about Bethenny.  But her tears aren't one of them.  I don't think she's faking them either.  Raise your hand if you're a perimenopausal woman with loads of personal and business stressors and tell me you don't sometimes feel like you could cry at the drop of a hat.

 

We have some friends going through some serious stuff right now and I cry at the mention of his name.  Or if I think too hard about him/them.  I love him a lot but not as much Beth loves Bryn.  And my personal life is pretty sweet compared to Beth's. Nor do I feel like people are waiting to take the piss out of me. But am I a big ol' crybaby right now?  Yup. So it doesn't surprise me she's a mess.  A hypocritical, overbearing, prickly mess.

I feel like I can now cancel my appointment with my Gyno now. You've just freaking diagnosed my. Damn I thought my bitch mode had just come to full bloom and now I realize I'm Perimenopausal. I too have these crying jags when I'm overly stressed out, mostly just in the last year or so. I am, however ready for Bethenny to give up the crying (I'm ready to give them up myself).

[AnnA]

Thank you for posting this. I've watched this show online for three seasons now and was wondering if the increasing number of people streaming content was being factored in at all.

TV viewing as we knew it is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. Networks are starting to follow the Netflix model and putting an entire season On Demand all at once so "live" viewing is becoming more irrelevant as are the current Nielsen ratings. ABC did that with their new show Aquarius and USA has at least one future episode of Complications available On Demand.

One of the things they didn't mention in that piece is that the Nielsen "box" is attached to only one TV in the family room per household. I know many families that have multiple TVs and don't always watch the same show. Anyone with children may opt to watch something like the HWs in another room while the rest of the family is watching a movie or sporting event in the family room. If they do, their viewing of HWs doesn't get counted on the Nielsen box. I didn't realize that until a friend of mine who lives in upstate New York was asked to be a Nielsen household.

Edited June 21, 2015 by AnnA

[HunterHunted]

I feel like Ramona has less room than ever to call anyone dumb or a mess this season. She is letting Mario come creeping back into her life even though he publicly humiliated her and has made no moves to give up his side piece.

Also I'm supremely annoyed how Sonja continues to misrepresent the movie lawsuit and her relationship with old man Morgan. He's after his 50% of the properties because that's what was in the divorce settlement. And old man Morgan might have ignored his property interests had Sonja not assumed that he would cover the judgment against her in the movie lawsuit. Additionally, Travolta's demands aren't what made the project unfeasible. He had a pay or play contract, which means he gets paid whether the movie gets made or not. Similar issues are what managed to make Superman Returns a financial failure. A large part of the budget was dedicated to paying back 15 years of attempted Superman movies.

[WireWrap]

This is one of the times when Bravo using the structure of pretending a show isn't being filmed is making everyone in the argument look like a bigger asshole than I think they are. If you fully suspend disbelief then these women are acting put out because another woman they just met is reluctant to go to parties and on vacations when she has her daughter. Well that's crazy. I have many friends with joint custody and first rule of thumb is that when they have their kids they aren't doing much they can't bring the kids to. It's not at all strang to pass on weekend trips and dinners out because you have your kid, especially with a group of friends you aren't that close to. But if you remember they're filming a TV show and everyone is talking about scheduling work events then a little bit of grumbling about who is and isn't there is more understandable. Conversely, if we forget about the show it looks like Bethanny gets the vapors about people bringing up anything social when she has Bryn. But if we remember the show then she's being questioned about the provisions in her contract that have already been negotiated and cleared with her boss and it's happening on camera while she's in a custody battle and may be concerned about footage being used to show she doesn't spend her time with Bryn actually being with Bryn and by the time she walks into these events she may have already gone 3 rounds with production about what she does and doesn't have to do to fulfill her contract and just explodes at the idea of having to negotiate her work schedule yet again with people who aren't her boss and don't actually have the final say. If they were allowed to talk about their contracts and such I think all of this would make more sense.

The custody battle was over about 3 months before filming began, so no fear of the Judge holding the show against her. Also, the show would be seen as a job/paycheck and I do not think, even though she is a millionaire, that the Judge would hold it against her. At the point in time when they started filming, she was living in an apartment with her then BF of 1+ years, she was not "homeless", living out of Hotels. All the events, gatherings, get togethers and trips are preplanned months in advance before filming begins and each HW is given that schedule then so they can adjust their personal schedule/jobs/childcare, so nothing that has to do with the shows timeline/schedule would have come as a surprise to any of the HWs, let alone a veteran like Bethenny. That said, a dance/music/whatever recital date for Bryn may have been changed but those too are normally planned months in advance as well to give students time to learn whatever and parents/families to keep that date clear.  JMO

[BlackMamba]

Correct me if Im wrong, but Wasn't Bethenny still dating the young guy during the time of filming? Rumor has it he didn't want to be involved in the show. I wouldn't be surprised her Bryn excuses were coverups just be with him at the time.

[WireWrap]

TV viewing as we knew it is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. Networks are starting to follow the Netflix model and putting an entire season On Demand all at once so "live" viewing is becoming more irrelevant as are the current Nielsen ratings. ABC did that with their new show Aquarius and USA has at least one future episode of Complications available On Demand.

One of the things they didn't mention in that piece is that the Nielsen "box" is attached to only one TV in the family room per household. I know many families that have multiple TVs and don't always watch the same show. Anyone with children may opt to watch something like the HWs in another room while the rest of the family is watching a movie or sporting event in the family room. If they do, their viewing of HWs doesn't get counted on the Nielsen box. I didn't realize that until a friend of mine who lives in upstate New York was asked to be a Nielsen household.

I/we were 1 of the families that participated in the "Nielsen Ratings" a few years ago and although only 1TV was hooked up to the box, you had a form to fill out each night for that 1 TV and any other TV that was used/watched in our house. They gave you a daily list of every channel/show available to you and you had to check the box if you or someone in your house watched any TV show on any TV in your house. It was a pain in the butt to say the least! LOL 

[KungFuBunny]

This is one of the times when Bravo using the structure of pretending a show isn't being filmed is making everyone in the argument look like a bigger asshole than I think they are. If you fully suspend disbelief then these women are acting put out because another woman they just met is reluctant to go to parties and on vacations when she has her daughter. Well that's crazy. I have many friends with joint custody and first rule of thumb is that when they have their kids they aren't doing much they can't bring the kids to. It's not at all strang to pass on weekend trips and dinners out because you have your kid, especially with a group of friends you aren't that close to. But if you remember they're filming a TV show and everyone is talking about scheduling work events then a little bit of grumbling about who is and isn't there is more understandable. Conversely, if we forget about the show it looks like Bethanny gets the vapors about people bringing up anything social when she has Bryn. But if we remember the show then she's being questioned about the provisions in her contract that have already been negotiated and cleared with her boss and it's happening on camera while she's in a custody battle and may be concerned about footage being used to show she doesn't spend her time with Bryn actually being with Bryn and by the time she walks into these events she may have already gone 3 rounds with production about what she does and doesn't have to do to fulfill her contract and just explodes at the idea of having to negotiate her work schedule yet again with people who aren't her boss and don't actually have the final say. If they were allowed to talk about their contracts and such I think all of this would make more sense.

 

So true FozzyBear!

[AnnA]

I/we were 1 of the families that participated in the "Nielsen Ratings" a few years ago and although only 1TV was hooked up to the box, you had a form to fill out each night for that 1 TV and any other TV that was used/watched in our house. They gave you a daily list of every channel/show available to you and you had to check the box if you or someone in your house watched any TV show on any TV in your house. It was a pain in the butt to say the least! LOL

That's hilarious! My friend didn't mention that to me. I wonder if they still do it. She became a Nielsen household in 2013. There's no way to verify the accuracy of those numbers.

Nothing like relying on pen and paper entries in a digital world. LOL.

[WireWrap]

That's hilarious! My friend didn't mention that to me. I wonder if they still do it. She became a Nielsen household in 2013. There's no way to verify the accuracy of those numbers.

Nothing like relying on pen and paper entries in a digital world. LOL.

We did it about 10 years before her so they may have changed it up but all that checking boxes and mailing them each week was a pain. We only lasted 1 year and quit! LOL

Edited June 21, 2015 by WireWrap

[KungFuBunny]

TV viewing as we knew it is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. Networks are starting to follow the Netflix model and putting an entire season On Demand all at once so "live" viewing is becoming more irrelevant as are the current Nielsen ratings. ABC did that with their new show Aquarius and USA has at least one future episode of Complications available On Demand.

One of the things they didn't mention in that piece is that the Nielsen "box" is attached to only one TV in the family room per household. I know many families that have multiple TVs and don't always watch the same show. Anyone with children may opt to watch something like the HWs in another room while the rest of the family is watching a movie or sporting event in the family room. If they do, their viewing of HWs doesn't get counted on the Nielsen box. I didn't realize that until a friend of mine who lives in upstate New York was asked to be a Nielsen household.

I also know a number of people who go to Amazon and rent the episodes as they don't have cable.

Besides the Bravo website...they also now have a YouTube channel where you can pay to see a show.

[HunterHunted]

I/we were 1 of the families that participated in the "Nielsen Ratings" a few years ago and although only 1TV was hooked up to the box, you had a form to fill out each night for that 1 TV and any other TV that was used/watched in our house. They gave you a daily list of every channel/show available to you and you had to check the box if you or someone in your house watched any TV show on any TV in your house. It was a pain in the butt to say the least! LOL

I've done the standalone one week diaries 4 times and the box once. I love tv, but it is a tremendous pain. The last time I got a weekly diary I just ignored it. It's so clear that I was hitting some demographic sweet spot for them, but I couldn't do it anymore.

[KungFuBunny]

I feel like Ramona has less room than ever to call anyone dumb or a mess this season. She is letting Mario come creeping back into her life even though he publicly humiliated her and has made no moves to give up his side piece.

Also I'm supremely annoyed how Sonja continues to misrepresent the movie lawsuit and her relationship with old man Morgan. He's after his 50% of the properties because that's what was in the divorce settlement. And old man Morgan might have ignored his property interests had Sonja not assumed that he would cover the judgment against her in the movie lawsuit. Additionally, Travolta's demands aren't what made the project unfeasible. He had a pay or play contract, which means he gets paid whether the movie gets made or not. Similar issues are what managed to make Superman Returns a financial failure. A large part of the budget was dedicated to paying back 15 years of attempted Superman movies.

I'm annoyed at Bravo for expecting me to believe that Sonja planned/coordinated the AC trip and now the T&C trip.

I don't believe, even with the help of her 6 interns, she is capable of planning her way out of a paper bag.

However, I do think she might be able to fix a few broken bathing suits.

Yet despite all of this...I still find it entertaining to watch her

[BlackMamba]

I'm annoyed at Bravo for expecting me to believe that Sonja planned/coordinated the AC trip and now the T&C trip.

I don't believe, even with the help of her 6 interns, she is capable of planning her way out of a paper bag.

However, I do think she might be able to fix a few broken bathing suits.

Yet despite all of this...I still find it entertaining to watch her

They always do this with all the housewives thinking they planned these getaways all on their own. Bravo is footing the bill to all these tripa to their shows.

[AnnA]

True we need DVR numbers too. Based on Andy claiming he's popping bottles tweet a few weeks back he is including the DVR numbers. Again funny hes talking DVR numbers all of sudden especially with this show since Bethenny is back. I just think Andy boy is saving face or downplaying the horrid LIVE numbers.

I actually did some quick math and Season 6 of RHONY averaged 1.34 with 23 episodes. Season 7 just 11 episodes in is at 1.30! You can feel free to check for yourself if I made any mistake but that's pretty bad! And that was with Aviva, Perv George and they went to Montana as their group trip.

 

A decrease of 4/100ths in the average "live" antiquated, irrelevant Nielsen ratings is  meaningless.  Some of the members of this forum watch online.  I think the network prefers On Demand numbers to DVR numbers since you can't FF through the commercials On Demand.

Edited June 21, 2015 by AnnA

[rissa]

LOL

Pickles!

Thank you for honoring my walls and my wishes to not take notice of my issues......which reminds me my next therapy session is due to be downloaded on YouTube any day now. Only my closest friends (and the few folks who have access to Youtube) know about my issues ;)

I imagine the HW's in 30-40 years, on the RHORH The Real Housewives of Retirement Home show.

Kristen: OMG I wish Pop of Color and eBoost had made more money because this little BOX!! of a room is all I can afford. I used to feel I was being BOXED out now I feel BOXED in.

Sonja: Pickles, oh, Pickles can you come and bring my toolbox, and the three broken walkers I have downstairs. I think I can take them apart and make one functioning walker from all three. Puff Daddy and John John are expecting me on my yacht. Pickles!!

Heather: (Or as the inmates....errr...residents call her, Nurse Ratched) OK, Mamas, who needs fixin'?

Lu: Darling's come and see my new line of canes on Evine.

Ramoaner: Nurse! Oh, Nurse didn't they tell you, I always share a room with Sonja on these trips. What do you mean, it is not a trip? Permanent? At least tell me we are in the Hamptons and not the Berkshires. Where is my Pinot IV drip?

Carole: Nurse can you book me an Uber driver, I want to go to Forever 21+21+21+21

Bethy: Nurse, who took down all the cameras I had installed in my room? I am a reality stahhhhhhh, you know! No, I am not going to the lunchroom, they are still refusing to serve SkinnyGirl Seaweed Raisin Sea Salt chips and, besides that, I cannot be away from my daughter for that long! If I do then I will just roll out of my wheelchair and be on the floor, sobbing. If I need to sob, can you at least bring me some of my SkinnyGirl Artificial Tears, thanks.

Dorinda: Hey, Nurses quit grinding on my man! For some reason now I have a craving for a sandwich. Hannah, are those little furry critters living on your face or just the latest eyebrow fad?

Andy: And the Jackhole Award goes to.....me!

Hilarious! Thanks for the much needed laugh.

[FozzyBear]

The custody battle was over about 3 months before filming began, so no fear of the Judge holding the show against her. Also, the show would be seen as a job/paycheck and I do not think, even though she is a millionaire, that the Judge would hold it against her. At the point in time when they started filming, she was living in an apartment with her then BF of 1+ years, she was not "homeless", living out of Hotels. All the events, gatherings, get togethers and trips are preplanned months in advance before filming begins and each HW is given that schedule then so they can adjust their personal schedule/jobs/childcare, so nothing that has to do with the shows timeline/schedule would have come as a surprise to any of the HWs, let alone a veteran like Bethenny. That said, a dance/music/whatever recital date for Bryn may have been changed but those too are normally planned months in advance as well to give students time to learn whatever and parents/families to keep that date clear. JMO

That's all very true and I don't know the ins and outs of their case. I just know from watching friends go through custody battles nothing is off the table ever, especially not if an ex is either vindictive or on the ball. I've had friends go back ti court only a couple of months after a judgment over issue of how much time a parent was actually spending with the kid during their custodial time. I've also had friends ( of both genders) refuse to leave their kid for even an hour when they had custody due to fear of reprisal in family court. Of course I live in California which may be really different that NY, but I have learned that custody battles never really end.

[WireWrap]

They always do this with all the housewives thinking they planned these getaways all on their own. Bravo is footing the bill to all these tripa to their shows.

They not only pay for them, they pick the destination, even restaurants, because they need to get all the release signatures/dates before anything is finalized, they do all the planning and then assign the HW that is to "host" the trip/event. The HWs are not involved until everything is set in stone! LOL "Smoke and Mirrors, Smoke and Mirrors"!

[zoeysmom]

They not only pay for them, they pick the destination, even restaurants, because they need to get all the release signatures/dates before anything is finalized, they do all the planning and then assign the HW that is to "host" the trip/event. The HWs are not involved until everything is set in stone! LOL "Smoke and Mirrors, Smoke and Mirrors"!

I think the producers have a much tougher job  who will give them freebies.  That dudette ranch last year was not picked because anyone wanted to go on a vacation in a remote, humid and dusty location without any form of night life.  Someone from the resort pitched to production and they bit.  They RH are better off somewhere that swimming and sunning are involved. 

[KungFuBunny]

That's all very true and I don't know the ins and outs of their case. I just know from watching friends go through custody battles nothing is off the table ever, especially not if an ex is either vindictive or on the ball. I've had friends go back ti court only a couple of months after a judgment over issue of how much time a parent was actually spending with the kid during their custodial time. I've also had friends ( of both genders) refuse to leave their kid for even an hour when they had custody due to fear of reprisal in family court. Of course I live in California which may be really different that NY, but I have learned that custody battles never really end.

 

Even though Jason and Bethenny may have agreed to joint custody before filming, the days each would have custody would not be planned out for the rest of Brynn's life. They don't speak to each other, so I would imagine their lawyers would communicate. Who had custody for what days...I would think was planned a month out at most. These are just my thoughts as I don't know any details.

 

I'm in NY, my friend has joint custody of her 2 kids. Any vacation plans, even if they are planned for the dates she has custody, if it is out of state, she has to get approval from her ex, in writing, and notarized. Have there been times he said no...absolutely! just to be a dick. Have there been times where she asked to switch a day and he has refused...absolutely just to be a dick. Each time he has done so...she changes her plans for fear of reprisal from family court.

[atir]

Montana isn't humid.

[AnnA]

I'm annoyed at Bravo for expecting me to believe that Sonja planned/coordinated the AC trip and now the T&C trip.

I don't believe, even with the help of her 6 interns, she is capable of planning her way out of a paper bag.

However, I do think she might be able to fix a few broken bathing suits.

Yet despite all of this...I still find it entertaining to watch her

 

Yes she is entertaining...

 

[hottesthw]

Even though Jason and Bethenny may have agreed to joint custody before filming, the days each would have custody would not be planned out for the rest of Brynn's life. They don't speak to each other, so I would imagine their lawyers would communicate. Who had custody for what days...I would think was planned a month out at most. These are just my thoughts as I don't know any details.

I'm in NY, my friend has joint custody of her 2 kids. Any vacation plans, even if they are planned for the dates she has custody, if it is out of state, she has to get approval from her ex, in writing, and notarized. Have there been times he said no...absolutely! just to be a dick. Have there been times where she asked to switch a day and he has refused...absolutely just to be a dick. Each time he has done so...she changes her plans for fear of reprisal from family court.

A custody plan is set by the court. You can count every other week or weekend or whatever the agreed upon plan is, from the time the kid is born until it's 18 and barring a court order nothing is going to change. It is not done month by month. I've counted every other weekend 18 months in advance to plan family vacations. It's what you do.

As for saying yes or no just to be a dick. Welcome to the world of shared custody. Doesn't make it right, but it happens all the time. I guess if you have the means and sanity to keep running back to court every time it happens you can, but for us regular folk, you just get used to it (and try your best not to plan things when it's not your day ).

Edited June 21, 2015 by hottesthw

[KungFuBunny]

Yes she is entertaining...

 

She forgot her favorite intern Pickles

Pickles! ......Pickles!

 

PS I don't remember which season...maybe it was on a reunion...didn't Sonja start babbling about a homeless person in Ireland who she was working with on Internet stuff? What happenned to that person

[zoeysmom]

Montana isn't humid.

I sand corrected was the altitude Aviva complained about.  Thanks

Edited June 21, 2015 by zoeysmom

[WireWrap]

I sand corrected was te altiude Aviva complained about.  Thanks

She complained about the "altitude" and the "dust". Like NYC isn't dirty/have dust! LOL

[HunterHunted]

She forgot her favorite intern Pickles

Pickles! ......Pickles!

 

PS I don't remember which season...maybe it was on a reunion...didn't Sonja start babbling about a homeless person in Ireland who she was working with on Internet stuff? What happenned to that person

I've been joking about Sonja being a human trafficker, but I'm legit beginning to believe it. I think we've only seen one former intern show up after finishing her "internship." Also wouldn't a homeless Irish blogger have more important things to concern herself with, namely a roof over her head. Oy veh Sonja.

[Lucelu]

Re Bethenny:  Happiness is a choice y'all. Peace out.

[SCS]

Yes she is entertaining...

 

The lower half of that image shows that Sonja forgot her panties. And her pants. In other words, a routine Friday night in The Land of the Sexy J.

She complained about the "altitude" and the "dust". Like NYC isn't dirty/have dust! LOL

She's fine with it as long as it's that refined UES dust. ;)

[KungFuBunny]

I've been joking about Sonja being a human trafficker, but I'm legit beginning to believe it. I think we've only seen one former intern show up after finishing her "internship." Also wouldn't a homeless Irish blogger have more important things to concern herself with, namely a roof over her head. Oy veh Sonja.

Hi HunterHunted

 

I mentioned it once on this thread...I was referring to the WWC latest podcast...they were trying to figure out how Sonja came up with the money to clear the judgement she mentioned and then being the idea girl for Turks & Caicos...and they joked that she must have sold a lot of interns to make that cake...they were joking.

 

I wonder if these "interns" are only there during the filming of a season. Also if they are all wannabe actors or wannabe reality stars. I work for a company where we hire college students to intern and we pay them, plus give college credit. Sonja isn't paying them..I see it more likely as they are paying her for the chance at being on TV. Interns don't bring you water in bed, and give you your "vitamins", and make tea and coffee for you...unless you're interning to become a home health aide/personal care attendant?

Edited June 21, 2015 by KungFuBunny

[ScoobieDoobs]

I have heard, just as anyone has "heard," that cable stations make money by being included on the dial. Bravo is on the dial. I have also heard that "a million" viewers is golden. So I have no expert opinion on this, but, once again, I'm happy!

Old shows have fewer viewers after a time. Now, that's a fact.

Is Bethenny's compensation based on "ratings"?

If not, and she's the "loser," having apparently single-handedly destroyed Andy Cohen's brand by being paid SO MUCH MONEY that it destroyed everyone, how does that relate to the text?

These shows, re-edited or not, were filmed months ago before "ratings" were an issue. How is that germane?

 

Ratings for each ep are interesting to some & totally germane to each particular ep.  OK, you aren't interested.  Then don't read comments on ratings if you dislike them so much & mistakenly believe they are unimportant.  But to shut down discussion of ratings on each ep is censorship, which fortunately is not condoned in this forum.  And repeating your dislike of & disbelief in the importance of ratings has nothing to do with this ep.  

 

The general ratings discussion has nothing to do with this ep & maybe should be in a different thread.  Ratings are an essential part of television as a business.  If you don't want to believe it, then don't believe it.  And the sky is green & the sea is purple.  And no, the Nielsen ratings are not yet seen as antiquated by advertisers & ad agencies.  If anyone wants to believe otherwise, then maybe go with the sea being purple & the sky being green.

 

What's interesting to me, about ratings and how they relate to this show in particular, is how the show seems fluid.  It's pretty unusual in TV.  Sure, they filmed months ago.  Who doesn't know that?  But they're obviously making changes as they go along.  Dorinda tweeted a few weeks ago about going to film TH's to add in.  Why are they making changes?  Cuz of ratings?  Duh.  Bethenny mentioned the ratings being good last week in her Bravo blog.  Why would she do that unless it mattered to her?  Whatever she is, she's very deliberate & clever in ALL of her actions.

 

Anyhoo, trying to tie this back in to this ep, as I said before, Bethenny has mentioned in her Bravo blog, for the second week in a row, she's crying for the last time on the show.  Why go out of her way to mention it?  I suspect cuz ratings are meh & she's hearing from social media & maybe from forums like this, how viewer reaction is against the crying.  But that's just my hunch.  Ah, silly ole me.

Edited June 21, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[BlackMamba]

And the sky is green & the sea is purple. And no, the Nielsen ratings are not yet seen as antiquated by advertisers & ad agencies.

The only people caring about ads are the networks. 18-34 & 18-49 (esp. with women) the networks lock eyes on. They want to see how many people bought diapers, makeup, feminine products and so on. Thats definitely where money is at.

But they're obviously making changes as they go along. Dorinda tweeted a few weeks ago about going to film TH's to add in. Why are they making changes? Cuz of ratings? Duh. Bethenny mentioned the ratings being good last week in her Bravo blog. Why would she do that unless it mattered to her? Whatever she is, she's very deliberate & clever in ALL of her actions.

Did Dorinda really say that? I'm sure you're not lying but could you provide a link. Hmm maybe Andy is sweating just a wee bite. I posted under the media thread a link that Beth/Carole/LuAnn were going to film additional scenes for this season. Kind of like NJ last season how tried adding (Jac & Kathy) in.

[film noire]

Well, you're watching.

 

Ha, so true (of us all:)  And it looks like the all important 18-49s are also watching, once you include Live + 3 (all viewers in that age demographic, who watch the show within a three day period of the new episode airing -- data in the second set of numbers linked below, NYC Housewives being show number thirteen on a list of 25). The 681 thousand who watch Live/Same Day (18-49) becomes a total of 1,138 million when including Live, Same Day + 3:

 

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2015/06/19/live-3-cable-ratings-game-of-thrones-tops-adults-18-49-viewership-growth-orphan-black-biggest-percentage-gainer-for-the-week-ending-june-14-2015/419580/

 

Overall viewers (Live + 3, all ages) for June 8th-14th:  1,928.

 

So the percentage of the audience in the coveted 18-49 demo is pretty good -- ratings are always a crapshoot, but it seems to be trending up, not down --  that's gotta make that bastard Andy happy.

[AnnA]

Ratings are an essential part of television as a business.  If you don't want to believe it, then don't believe it.  And the sky is green & the sea is purple.  And no, the Nielsen ratings are not yet seen as antiquated by advertisers & ad agencies.  If anyone wants to believe otherwise, then maybe go with the sea being purple & the sky being green.

 

Of course the ratings are important to sponsors but the ratings Nielsen releases to the public are not the same as those used by the network to attract those sponsors.   Nielsen releases the straight "Nielsen Box" ratings to the public which do not include On Demand, DVR or online viewing.   Networks and sponsors have had to do their own research on those elements and have been pressuring Nielsen to change their system for years.  Now they're finally doing it as you can see in this piece in Fortune magazine.

 

Nielsen Changing Ratings System

 

These two quotes from that piece explain it.

 

“We are going to be able to count every single view,” said Monica Bannan, Vice President of Product Leadership at Nielsen Business Media. “Any piece of content, video or non-video, TV or mobile device, will be able to be tracked.”

 

The new Nielsen-Adobe ratings system comes as people abandon the traditional television set to watch shows and movies on other devices. “TV has gone through its greatest transformation since the advent of cable,” said Jeremy Helfand, Vice President of Video Solutions for Adobe. “But the market wants a single currency across all platforms.”

 

You don't have to believe or agree with it but obviously Nielsen does or they wouldn't be changing it.

 

Change is inevitable...

 

Edited June 21, 2015 by AnnA

[motorcitymom65]

Well, you're watching.

Eileen Davidson was paid large money on RHBH, with no apppreciable "ratings" increase, and Andy is not in disgrace. How is this show remotely the same as a live sports playoff?

Bethenny is box office and the season will be like one to three, less than lackluster.

I have heard, just as anyone has "heard," that cable stations make money by being included on the dial. Bravo is on the dial. I have also heard that "a million" viewers is golden. So I have no expert opinion on this, but, once again, I'm happy!

Old shows have fewer viewers after a time. Now, that's a fact.

Is Bethenny's compensation based on "ratings"?

If not, and she's the "loser," having apparently single-handedly destroyed Andy Cohen's brand by being paid SO MUCH MONEY that it destroyed everyone, how does that relate to the text?

These shows, re-edited or not, were filmed months ago before "ratings" were an issue. How is that germane?

These posts need their own forum.

IMO talking about the ratings that a particular episode garners is totally germane and belongs with the discussion of that particular episode. We might all be talking about what someone was wearing in an episode, but trust me, Bravo is not. They are talking about what the ratings were for a particular episode and the ratings decide whether or not the show is successful. The ratings for this episode were dismal. It was heavily touted as a "Bethenny breaks down episode" in all the previews. The only episode that performed more terribly was when she went to visit her stepfather. Folks aren't as interested in watching Beth break down as they are in watching other things and that is important to note. This show is getting worse ratings than Manzo'd with Chirldren did, and my guess is that no one on that show is making huge bucks.

[AnnA]

IMO talking about the ratings that a particular episode garners is totally germane and belongs with the discussion of that particular episode. We might all be talking about what someone was wearing in an episode, but trust me, Bravo is not. They are talking about what the ratings were for a particular episode and the ratings decide whether or not the show is successful. The ratings for this episode were dismal. It was heavily touted as a "Bethenny breaks down episode" in all the previews. The only episode that performed more terribly was when she went to visit her stepfather. Folks aren't as interested in watching Beth break down as they are in watching other things and that is important to note. This show is getting worse ratings than Manzo'd with Chirldren did, and my guess is that no one on that show is making huge bucks.

 

I agree with you about episode ratings being germane to this episode discussion.  However, we cannot say that the ratings were "dismal" since we do not know what the all-inclusive ratings were.  Many members of this forum watch online.  Until the system is updated, those views are not counted in the ratings numbers released to the public.  Neither are the On Demand or DVR views.

 

As much as I hated Manzo'd with Children, the same holds true for the ratings we've seen of that show.

[KFC]

Chiming in to say, yes absolutely ratings are relevant to an episode discussion. I just think sometimes ratings talk becomes an unpleasant bitchfest of "the show is in the toilet! The ratings are dismal because of X or Y HW."

 

I dunno, it's still must-see trash TV for me. Yes, it's changed a lot, but it was never particularly classy fare. I'd probably hate all these women in real life, but they're still fun to watch for an hour each week and to dissect their machinations on the internet. If I really hated the show, I'd just stop watching.

[AnnA]

 Neither will the execs at Comcast or NBC/Universal or ultimately Bravo 

 

Whew!  I'm still playing catch-up on this thread.

 

You were smart to mention Comcast.  Did you know that they own NBC Universal and Bravo is part of the NBC family of networks? They also know every viewer's On Demand and DVR choices.  Bravo probably does the tracking of online viewing through their website but chances are most subscribers also use their internet service in which case they're also aware of how many subscribers watch online too.

 

Who would have thought cable providers would become Big Brother?  LOL

Edited June 21, 2015 by AnnA

[film noire]

 The ratings for this episode were dismal.

 

How were they dismal?

[zoeysmom]

IMO talking about the ratings that a particular episode garners is totally germane and belongs with the discussion of that particular episode. We might all be talking about what someone was wearing in an episode, but trust me, Bravo is not. They are talking about what the ratings were for a particular episode and the ratings decide whether or not the show is successful. The ratings for this episode were dismal. It was heavily touted as a "Bethenny breaks down episode" in all the previews. The only episode that performed more terribly was when she went to visit her stepfather. Folks aren't as interested in watching Beth break down as they are in watching other things and that is important to note. This show is getting worse ratings than Manzo'd with Chirldren did, and my guess is that no one on that show is making huge bucks.

If one goes to Wikipedia for the episode guide of RHONYC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Real_Housewives_of_New_York_City_episodes  there is a very brief description of the episode and the ratings on the far right.  One can go back to Season 3 for ratings and Seasons 1 & 2 just have descriptions. I don't know if they are same day or the more inclusive type but it is a pretty easy way to see if people tuned in.  The highest rated episodes are pretty predictable.  I am thinking people don't like Bethenny crying, but do like a good leg toss, Pirates invading LuAnn and Sonja and vow renewals.