Cutty September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 (edited) James is packing in case it's a DE tomorrow. Meg says it won't be. o_0 Edited September 2, 2015 by Cutty 5 Link to comment
Nashville September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 James is packing in case it's a DE tomorrow. Meg says it won't be. o_0 Well... at least Meg is batting a thousand, right up to the end. Gotta admire consistency like that, even if it's Bizarro consistency. 14 Link to comment
Cutty September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 (edited) Austin trying to rationalize his scumbag behavior. Vanessa defending it, and giving him relationship advice. Remember this is the same person who said all men cheat. JokersBBUpdates: Van suggests telling his girlfriend that Austin did her a favor not stringing her along in a relationship that wasn't working. #bb17 #bblf Edited September 2, 2015 by Cutty 1 Link to comment
Cutty September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 (edited) This conversation is so stupid. Vanessa is just the fucking worst. Basically saying his ex-girlfriend is a bitch for making him be a responsible adult, and that it's partly her fault that Austin broke up with her on a TV show. LOL. Edited September 2, 2015 by Cutty 6 Link to comment
ByaNose September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 Because Vanessa is full of sage advice you should listen to what she says. <sarcasm> Link to comment
Cutty September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 Because Vanessa is full of sage advice you should listen to what she says. <sarcasm> "Let me tell you..." "First of all..." "Fourth of all..." Liz: The jury members ask questions? Wow. 1 Link to comment
Ceeg September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 Does anyone have any indication of who James would put up if he wins HOH tomorrow? Two days ago, he told Meg that he'd put up Steve and Vanessa. But, I've sort of avoided his conversations with Meg recently, because her stupidity is too much for me and I hate that she brings down his game. I would hope he'd get a clue and put up Liz and Julia. But, the Meg influence might be too strong. Link to comment
Vicky September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 Yeah - I don't think Vanessa is doing herself any favors by encouraging the 'love affair' between Austin and Liz and supporting Austin's idea of what he should or shouldn't think regarding his girlfriend - and just because it's not clear anymore, when I say 'girlfriend' I mean the one that Austin was with for two years before Big Brother. 3 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 2, 2015 Share September 2, 2015 Does anyone have any indication of who James would put up if he wins HOH tomorrow? I think he'll definitely put up Vanessa. But maybe that's just my wishful thinking. ;) I hope Austin gets HOH but James wins veto and then John gets evicted. Just for the LOLs. 1 Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 So James went to Julia and pretended like he was debating which way to vote. Then he was all, "I'm just fucking with you." Julia being the brainless, entitled twat she is is now so OFFENDED. Julia also complained that James is wearing his sunglasses when he talks to her *TO VANESSA*. Vanessa: "Why would you have sunglasses on in the middle of that day?" Vanessa has been wearing sunglasses literally all day. 11 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 That whole thing cracked me up. Julia being so offended was classic. And then Vanessa's hypocrisy over the sunglasses is always good for a laugh. 2 Link to comment
AndreaK1041 September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Saw on Twitter that Steve and JMac want to discuss flipping the vote. Would be *hilarious* if it happened as a blindside, especially for the double eviction. Chaos, please! 3 Link to comment
kellog010 September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) I'm starting the think that the Megaphone man got into John's head. Let's see what happens, because if they do this they put a huge target on their backs. Will they take that risk and hope to win DE? We shall see. ETA: LOL, imagine if Meg doesn't go home and she didn't even really campaign. Edited September 3, 2015 by kellog010 1 Link to comment
AndreaK1041 September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 All they have to do is make a deal with James and Meg and then it's 4 vs 2 in the comp (Van can't play, Julia out). I'd like those odds if I were in the house, especially being near the bottom of all alliances like John is. It is officially NOT too soon. 6 Link to comment
HighQueenEB September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) All they have to do is make a deal with James and Meg and then it's 4 vs 2 in the comp (Van can't play, Julia out). I'd like those odds if I were in the house, especially being near the bottom of all alliances like John is. It is officially NOT too soon. But James has shown far more affinity for Austin than he ever has with John or Steve. And, he lied to Shelli to win his 2nd HOH then stabbed her in the back. At least with Vanessa, John and Steve know she 100% had their backs this week and wouldn't consider putting them up. If I was in John's spot, I would stick with Vanessa. He will never be anything other than 3rd wheel to James & Meg and they've proven they are less trustworthy than Vanessa, IMO. Edited September 3, 2015 by HighQueenEB 3 Link to comment
Silo September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I feel like I'm not watching Big Brother. I feel like I'm watching "Watch This Bitch Named Vanessa Successfully Manipulate Everyone for Half A Million Dollars". 7 Link to comment
TimWil September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 And on Finale Night they'll be a tad pissed off when they find out she's earned millions from playing poker. 3 Link to comment
kellog010 September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Vanessa has perfectly laid out to Steve all the reasons to not vote out Julia this week. She is correct about the dynamics and incentives if they kept Meg (for her game). Edited September 3, 2015 by kellog010 4 Link to comment
Vicky September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) I thought that whole conversation with Vanessa and Steve, and Austin joining later was interesting (around 5:30 pm BB time). Everybody seems reasonable and pleasant and they have good strategy ideas. The key is that if Julia is voted out over Meg, Vanessa feels strongly James and Meg will drift over to Austin and Liz. Then it would be 4 (Austin, Liz, James, and Meg) against 3 (Vanessa, Steve, Johnny Mac). It seems to me that it will still be 4 against 3 if Meg is voted out, but Vanessa thinks that while James and Austin would work together, Liz and Julia would be less inclined to work with James. When Austin came in he made it clear that his goal is to win the game and he doesn't think he can do it if there's a final three of Austin and Liz and Julia. As we'd expect, he wants to protect Liz the most. Austin also acknowledged that he knows he's in hot water with the girl he's been with for two years, and he's realistic about his future with Liz outside the house - they may not stay together. That was good to hear. I thought they all were very likable in this conversation and it made me realize I'm okay with the final group being Vanessa,Austin, Steve, Johnny Mac, and James. After that - all's fair. ETA: I just realized that's four men and only one woman in the final group. I'd prefer this season go against trend. Darn. I'd choose a final five of Vanessa, Meg, Julia, Liz, and ? except that doesn't seem likely. Ideally, it would have been a final five of Vanessa, Shelli, Becky, Jackie, and Liz - that would have been a good representation of the strong women in the house. Edited September 3, 2015 by Vicky 2 Link to comment
kellog010 September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Steve was so out of the loop he didn't realize he lost the power struggle with Meg/James for the Austwins when he and John went on the block. 1 Link to comment
Silo September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 It seems to me that it will still be 4 against 3 if Meg is voted out, but Vanessa thinks that while James and Austin would work together, Liz and Julia would be less inclined to work with James. So Meg's going home. Bc they always vote for what Vanessa wants Bc she's A+ at convincing them that whatever is in her best interest is also in their best interest. 2 Link to comment
Katesus7 September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I read Jokers, but am still incredibly confused about the conversation I just (half) listened to between Vanessa and the twins. She seems to be throwing Austin under the bus, and is worried he'll vote out Julia, and if she is evicted it is totally Austin's fault? I mean, it's Vanessa, so nothing she says has anything to do with reality, I'm just trying to suss out her "Reasons". Is she OK with Julia going, and framing Austin? Is she trying to make sure Austin goes around to everyone tomorrow, after Liz puts the fear of God into him, saying he's keeping Julia no matter what, thus stamping out any "boot Julia" scenario? And I just found my answer. Seems a bit convoluted. But I guess Vanessa still wants to protect Steve/John. Works for me. And this post sounds just as convoluted as Vanessa did in this conversation, so I'm leaving it as is :) 2 Link to comment
bobthefrog September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Julia and Liz agree that if the vote comes down 3-2 with Julia getting evicted that it was 100% Austin who flipped. They both said they trust Steve way more than Austin on that front. 3 Link to comment
Deputy Deputy CoS September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I just watch Meg humiliate herself in her effort to campaign to Steve. Julia and Liz agree that if the vote comes down 3-2 with Julia getting evicted that it was 100% Austin who flipped. They both said they trust Steve way more than Austin on that front. There goes Meg and James grand plan to frame Steve Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Julia just said Meg and James are bullies. LOL. Stupid Mr Bean looking waste of space brat. Edited September 3, 2015 by Cutty 7 Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Meg is the Babe Ruth of being wrong at Big Brother. I mean, it's uncanny. A monkey could throw darts at a dartboard and be right more often than Meg has been. 9 Link to comment
Deputy Deputy CoS September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 You all ridicule Vanessa for saying Meg is a mastermind but Meg believes it too. She just said to James that they need to get them out first, because they have brains. Fear the mastermind. 3 Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 If James is the second boot in the DE, Steve better win the next HOH/POV or he's toast. They will vote him out in a heartbeat over JMac. Link to comment
mooses September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Meg is the Babe Ruth of being wrong at Big Brother. I mean, it's uncanny. A monkey could throw darts at a dartboard and be right more often than Meg has been. And she's like the second or third most popular HG still in the game at the moment. I know she's associated with James, but c'mon. Edited September 3, 2015 by mooses Link to comment
pennben September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Julia and Liz agree that if the vote comes down 3-2 with Julia getting evicted that it was 100% Austin who flipped. They both said they trust Steve way more than Austin on that front. Vanessa did a pretty good job tonight getting them to think that way. Interestingly enough, Steve is still awake by himself and you can see that he is torn on what to do. I think its 50/50 now whether Steve joins John and votes out Julia or he talks John out of doing it and they take out Meg. Austin, I think will not vote out Julia under any circumstance in this vote. 1 Link to comment
Brian Cronin September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I don't get why Steve and John WOULDN'T vote out Liz at this point. What do they gain from having Liz there? Steve at least sort of kind of has the Freaks and Geeks alliance, but he has to realize that he's low on that particular totem pole. To not piss off Vanessa, I guess? But what does that mean? It's not like Vanessa is going to be coming for them when A. She can't be HoH this week and B. She'll still have James and Meg as much bigger targets than settling any score with John and Steve. The only thing I guess is that Steve figures James and Meg would nominate him with Vanessa. That's a fair thing to be concerned about with flipping. 2 Link to comment
kellog010 September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Vanessa showed Steve that Austwins were playing all sides and only agreed to put Julia up because it gave the Austwins a reason to vote out Meg while keeping the door open to work with James again. That should be a red flag. Keeping both Meg and James, Austin will try to work with them and Liz would likely join them. They don't know for sure that James would go for Austin/Liz in that situation so who does that leave to put on the block. I think taking out Julia lessens James urgency of turning on Austin/Liz first because they are now a duo. Plus Meg gives James awful advice. I think the better play for Steve is to take out Meg, then gun for the Austwins in the double. If they take out Julia, which is seeming like could be very likely, John and Steve better be prepared to battle it out and have a solid plan moving forward. Edited September 3, 2015 by kellog010 4 Link to comment
Ceeg September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) James caught Steve and Austin whispering Wed 10:52 PM BBT James: "Damn. Steve & Austin working together. Wish I could say I saw that coming!" Wed 11:11 PM BBT Meg: They need to get us out first, we have brains. I just can't. I really hope Steve doesn't flip this vote. A finale night with Meg in the final 2 would be terrible. Edited September 3, 2015 by Ceeg 6 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I hope the vote flips. It would be so hilarious. And Vanessa would lose her best F2 partner, which is perfect for me. I think flipping is probably better for John, but it doesn't really make sense at all for Steve. 5 Link to comment
ProfCrash September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Hmmmmm... so why might Austin want to play up Julia's paranoia about Steve? Golly gee willickers, I wonder... Oh, yeah. THAT. Of course they don't. If they did, Russell Hantz would be a two-time Survivor winner. ;) IMHO this is the hardest pill for the "master strategist" types to swallow - that sometimes the purest of strategies cannot overcome a sufficiently bad social game. V is a perfect example; she fears so caught up in the strategic side of the gameplay she occasionally (frequently?) forgets there's a social side as well. To her credit V does remember on occasion, and when she does she can project quite an appealing personality - but V is usually too soon OH LOOK A SQUIRREL distracted, and when she comes back to the conversation at hand she's already back in Gamebot Engaged mode. I don't know if her occasional lapses into social engagement will be enough to overcome a Bad Karma Jury. Or maybe Vanessa could learn from Russell's mistake and not bully people and act like an asshole to everyone. Russell lost, twice, because he was a bully and an asshat. You cannot mock people, bully people, yell at them as they leave tribal, and the 9,000 other stories of Russell's awful behavior and expect to win. Russell was a goat in his first two season. The only person who thought Russell could win was Russell. Vanessa has masterminded this season and has done a good amount of damage but she seems to do a pretty good job repairing some of the damage that she did. She reminds me of Tony. Paranoid, over playing, hypocritical but someone who is a good enough person that the others seem to like and turn to for advice. Tony drove people nuts with his impulsive play and paranoia but he was well liked. Vanessa seems to have a good bond with Steve, John and Austin even though her game play has driven them crazy. Steve has even congratulated Vanessa for some of her moves in the diary room. I see the current jurors being far enough removed from the game to see that Vanessa played a strong game. 4 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I just went back to see Steve's breakdown from early this morning. It was half hilarious and half creepy as hell. 1 Link to comment
Nashville September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Or maybe Vanessa could learn from Russell's mistake and not bully people and act like an asshole to everyone. Russell lost, twice, because he was a bully and an asshat. You cannot mock people, bully people, yell at them as they leave tribal, and the 9,000 other stories of Russell's awful behavior and expect to win. Russell was a goat in his first two season. The only person who thought Russell could win was Russell. That was kinda my point. :) Russell had a good eye for strategic play, and a simply nonexistent eye for social play - but Russell was certain so long as he made it to F2, everybody in Jury would reward him for his strategic play in making it there despite being the most universally disliked player in the history of the game. And Russell was wrong, because he totally minimized and/or outright ignored social play as a significant game element. Surprise, Master Strategist! I'm not saying V is anywhere NEAR a parallel of Russell in terms of level of asshattery; that was not my intention. I do think there is a parallel to be made, however, in terms of the degree to which both V and Hantz regard/regarded the strategic gameplay aspect as being SO much more significant than the social gameplay aspect, as evidenced by their (differing) styles of play. Purely my own opinion, but I think it would be logical to assume a winning game strategy to be a roughly 50/50 balance between the strategic and social aspects - maybe a little heavier toward the strategic (like, say, 60/40 or 70/30) to allow you a Big Move to bolster your argument to Jury. In contrast, I think Vanessa's game is more 90/10 strategic/social. V doesn't absolutely ignore the social, but in her analytical mind she gives the strategic MUCH more weight - hence my "master strategist " label. 3 Link to comment
blixie September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I don't think V is under any delusion that a good social game is crucial to winning BB, but she can't bring what she doesn't have to her game, hell I'm not even sure she could turn down the stategically planning part of her brain if she tried. On the other hand I think Van's social game is underrated because it takes social skills to form an alliance and even better social kills to hold that sucker together with tape and glue and mist, as she has done for 70+ days, she has formed pretty genuine relationships with her allies beyond their game usefulness, Julia has always liked her her and Steve best, Liz has recently and hilariously started to like and trust V more, the closer V gets to actually orchestrating the bust up of Liz's ideal F3, and Austin and Van really do like each other as people, I can see Liz dumping him and never really hanging with him again, and conversely him hanging out w/Van in Vegas to party. So yeah I think Van's social game has been about as good as it could be given her personality, and the field of players she was given (ones who overwhelming resented the fuck out of ANY one who gamed "too much", aka at all GTFO), one of things I loved about Dan's first season S10, was that they were likable, entertaining, but still gamed HARD: Keesha Dan Memphis, and even Rennie, they included her and she had productive things to contribute to strategy.And the other side did too Ollie/April/Jerry/Jessie/Michelle, they SUCKED at it but they were playing. 6 Link to comment
mooses September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) I really think Steve is going to flip. He wants to make big moves and is probably realizing he'll look like a chicken if he keeps Julia. It's hard to say which way he should go because it all depends on who wins power in the DE. If James/Meg/John/Steve win, it's a great move. If Liz/Austin win, it's a mistake because he never would be on their radar without flipping. I do think getting rid of Julia is probably the best for Austin's game, too. Austin can try to stay close to James and will be good with both sides of the house. He needs Julia gone at some point, and the target will be smaller on him afterwards - Vanessa can be target number one now. Vanessa will still be gunning for Meg/James, and they'll be gunning for her. Without Julia, the only trouble he might have is John. ETA: I wouldn't mind Steve flipping and Liz winning DE HOH - we've never had a HG vomit on a live show! Edited September 3, 2015 by mooses 3 Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I really hope Steve doesn't flip this vote. A finale night with Meg in the final 2 would be terrible. Meg and Julia are interchangeable to me. Meg is stupid about the game while Julia is an annoying, catty brat. Pick your poison. I don't want to see either one in the F2. I wonder if Chenbot telling them it's a double tonight will change whatever JMac and Steve decide to do. I think Steve is screwed either way unless he wins some comps. The danger for him is Meg and James go tonight then he's next on the list. Say Meg goes, then JMac wins and sends out a twin would be best case for him. James would still be a target and Austin would be pissed off at JMac. Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Meg and Julia are interchangeable to me. Meg is stupid about the game while Julia is an annoying, catty brat. Pick your poison. Julia is about as dumb as Meg anyway. I like them both personality wise though and for that reason I would rather lose anyone else but Julia going will be more dramatic and that's all I care about! I do think getting rid of Julia is probably the best for Austin's game, too Well shit! But either way Austin's got in made. Dammit! Best case scenario would be Steve and John flipping and then Liz/Vanessa believing it was Austin who flipped. That would be hilarious! But Steve isn't the type to be able to pull that off. I really need them to wake up so I can see Steve and John talk about this. 1 Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) I wanna see a vote flip for maximum chaos. A blindside with a double eviction they don't know about would be epic. Lets be honest though, it won't happen because these things never happen. Meg and James will go during the DE, then an Austwin will win the next HOH. And we will go back to wishing this season would just end already. If that happens, Steve is done because you know Vanessa will tell the Austwins that Steve wanted to flip. Edited September 3, 2015 by Cutty 3 Link to comment
mooses September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I wanna see a vote flip for maximum chaos. A blindside with a double eviction they don't know about would be epic. The only reason I don't want a flip is because Meg has really shown her lack of awareness at how clueless she is this week. Her and James will think they're brilliant strategists, when it probably had more to do with the yeller getting into John's head. 7 Link to comment
Ceeg September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Steve evicting Julia would be an extremely stupid move on his part. I actually think Julia would rather keep Steve than Austin at this point. Also, I like James (most of the time) and Meg staying would be terrible for his game. Not only does she make him more stupid than he already is, but she ensures that every time he's on the block, he absolutely has to win veto to stay, because James will always get evicted over Meg. Plus, I want whatever will create the most difficult path for Austin to win this game. And evicting Julia won't do that IMO. Edited September 3, 2015 by Ceeg 7 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Steve evicting Julia would be an extremely stupid move on his part.. Seriously. I'm shocked by how much he seems to think it's the move he has to make. Very strange. Edited September 3, 2015 by peachmangosteen 1 Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Yeah, but what Julia wants is irrelevant. She doesn't control anything. She's just along for the ride. With Meg and James gone, Steve will be the next target. That's what he is worried about. Splitting up that trio makes it 3 vs 2 vs 1 at F6. Whereas Vanessa wants to keep it 3 vs 2 where she is good with both groups. Steve flipping screws her game the most. Vanessa is right though, leaving James in the game to team back up with Austin/Liz would be bad. And I think that's what would happen. James doesn't have a relationship with anyone else. 1 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 Good points. I still say it's the worst move for Steve, but either way he's in a pretty similar spot. If he votes out Julia he has to worry about Liz/Austin winning HOH and they have pretty good odds to win it. If he votes out Meg it's only James he has to worry about winning HOH and James has fairly low odds of being able to win the usual DE HOH comp. So, for this DE he is probably in a better spot if he evicts Meg. But moving forward he'll be in a better spot if he boots Julia just for the sheer fact that there won't be a 3 person voting block in a house of 6. Now for John I think it's really a no-brainer, he should want Julia out. The Austwins will target him over anyone else, so better for him to weaken them in any way he can imo. Link to comment
Cutty September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Has Steve slept at all? He's really freaking out. ETA - I think Steve's biggest miscalculation is the idea that James/Meg would work with him. I just don't see that happening. Edited September 3, 2015 by Cutty 3 Link to comment
peachmangosteen September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 I think Steve's biggest miscalculation is the idea that James/Meg would work with him. I just don't see that happening. Exactly. They're never gonna work with him. I think James could be open to it, but Meg will never let it happen. Steve has just been pacing and staring into space all morning. Poor guy! Steve is telling Austin/Liz that he's feeling sick and he threw up. Maybe setting it up for him to blame his move on him being sick lol. 1 Link to comment
JediDVguy September 3, 2015 Share September 3, 2015 (edited) Steve eliminating Julia would be wonderful (and sadly, only the second interesting thing to happen this season after James nominating Clay/Shelli). It makes sense strategically because once she's gone, James/John/Meg will focus on evicting Liz/Austin, and Liz/Austin will go after Vanessa (since no one will believe that she had Julia's best interests in mind when she nominated her). Saving Julia only benefits Julia and Liz. No one else. Edited September 3, 2015 by JediDVguy Link to comment
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