Speculation WITHOUT Spoilers: Lalalalala! I can't hear you!

[Curio]

7 minutes ago, scarynikki12 said:

I don't have a good track record at predicting this show but Emma's flash forward has me thinking she's going to battle the Evil Queen.

I feel like I have a decent track record at predicting this show, and I agree it's Regina. There are too many hints pointing this direction:

• Regina wasn't standing alongside Snow, Charming, Hook, and Henry.
• A&E have already stated in an interview that the Evil Queen has always been Emma's main villain.
• There was that voiceover in the premiere where Regina said that some people view her as a hero, and during this portion, the montage showed Emma struggling with her hand shakes. A&E wanted us to make the connection that Emma thinks Regina is a hero, which means Regina being under the hood would be a big "surprise."
• Emma and Regina have more history than Rumple, Hyde, or Jafar. Rumple is the only other villain who has actively tried to kill Emma in the past, so it could potentially be him, but he's more Hook's main villain than Emma's main villain. A&E would think it'd be more poetic if after all these seasons, Emma became "friends" with Regina only for Regina to be the one that kills Emma. Season 1 comes full circle and Regina succeeds in destroying Emma.

Obviously there'll be a twist on it, so maybe Regina dresses up as her Evil Queen alter ego and pretends to kill Emma as a ploy to throw Jafar or Rumple or whatever Big Bad off their tracks. Thinking the Savior is finally destroyed for good, the Big Bad will move forward with his plan and won't anticipate a surprise Emma attack at the eleventh hour because they think she's dead. It would also explain why Snow, Charming, Hook, and Henry didn't run to help Emma because they're all in on the plan.

And because this show likes contrived drama, Emma will probably ask the Oracle before the showdown to reveal who's under the cloak, and she'll show her that it's the Evil Queen, and then Emma will have a moral dilemma about what she should do about Regina.

[KingOfHearts]

What if EQ can actually control Regina's magic?

[Curio]

Well, they're the same person, so it's highly possible.

[YaddaYadda]

41 minutes ago, Curio said:

Well, they're the same person, so it's highly possible.

It's interesting. Which means they could put the anti magic cuff on Regina to neutralize the EQ's magic. But since Hyde is immune, I guess EQ will be immune too, because these writers are just...

[Camera One]

I got a sneak peek of a scene from Episode 2!

SNOW'S KITCHEN.  EMMA's hands are shaking.

SNOW: Emma, you don't need to wash the dishes with your bare hands!  Shaking won't get them dry!  I have gloves... let me grab some.

CHARMING is looking at a new painting he hung on the wall.

CHARMING: What do you think, Emma?  Is it crooked?

He sees her hands.

CHARMING: Kinda?  Somewhat?  

HOOK walks in and sees Emma's hands.

HOOK: I remember that move from the musical we watched last night.  Jazz hands it's called?

REGINA walks in.

EMMA: Excuse me everyone.  

Emma walks one step away from the kitchen.

REGINA: I could sense something was wrong with you when I woke up this morning.  Tell me what it is.  

EMMA: My hands... they're shaking and I think I am marked for DEATH.  Please don't tell anyone.  Only you can truly understand me.  This will be our secret.  Well, a secret between me, you, Hyde and Rumple. He's back in town and I already went by his shop to ask for his advice.  He knew all about this affliction of Saviors and I agreed to forget he tried to kill us all, in exchange for some vague and ultimately useless information.

SNOW: Did someone say meth?

CHARMING: I'll grab my badge and get right on that!

Edited October 1, 2016 by Camera One

[KingOfHearts]

I'm dreading the "small town stories" format for S6. It's not going to be like S1, where stopping to smell the roses was worth it most of the time. I speculate it will be more like S4, where the characters will wander around aimlessly until the climax drops on their heads. But, it's slated to be 22 episodes (possibly 23), there's going to be much more time to do that. The premiere was comprised of the heroes running around accomplishing very little. If it's any indication, S6 will be a slog. 

[Curio]

8 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I'm dreading the "small town stories" format for S6. It's not going to be like S1, where stopping to smell the roses was worth it most of the time. 

I'm dreading it too. It worked in Season 1 because we were trying to figure out the cursed identities of these people, but we already know these Untold characters' identities. It also worked better in Season 1 because there wasn't any magic in Storybrooke yet, so the writers were forced to focus on small town stories and the scope of the drama was much smaller. Back then, Emma finding a recorder in a flower vase or running for Sheriff were treated as huge plot points. Now that magic is everywhere and the scope of the show is more apocalyptic, those kind of plot points would happen in an Offscreenville conversation. 

[Camera One]

I agree that S1 helping the small town stories is not what we're going to get.  For one, if they really wanted to recapture that, they needed to get rid of magic in Storybrooke.  You can only get realistic stories if there isn't an immediate magical solution for everything.  

I suspect it will be more like the 5B approach of helping souls with their unfinished business, except with more random new characters rather than old guest characters.  Probably like the Hercules episode, which was stand-alone, and ultimately kinda pointless, with very peripheral "development" for the centric main character (in this case, Snow).  

If they slow-burn the Evil Queen's schemes for too long (eg. Hades), it will seem like she's pathetic and all-over-the-place.  

[KingOfHearts]

I have a crack theory that Zelena and Charming are half-siblings. Jonathan and James have the same entitled attitude. 

[Camera One]

In that case, Charming must forgive Zelena for anything since they're "family".

[KingOfHearts]

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If they slow-burn the Evil Queen's schemes for too long (eg. Hades), it will seem like she's pathetic and all-over-the-place.  

I thought she was "family" already since she's Snow's step-aunt. (Wow, she's Henry's aunt too...) However, when it comes to A&E, blood is always thicker than water.

Edited October 2, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Camera One]

True, she's already Family.  She already gets a free pass.

[Souris]

Seems to me that they're copying the format of S1, only replacing Emma's role with Regina and Henry's role with Emma, even down to using Operation Cobra. That's what they meant about going back to S1 format. Emma fears Regina is under the hood, so obviously she's not. Emma is seeing Archie like Henry did. Regina is set up as the Hero. Emma will die like Henry did, but Regina will save her with some sort of True Love sacrifice. Hell, maybe even an actual "friend" TLK. So E/R will get a TLK while CS doesn't.

I'm gonna hate this season so much more than I even thought! Although TBH I'm actually kind of laughing about it, the way it's set up is so obvious and bad. This show, I swear.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Souris

[Dianthus]

31 minutes ago, Souris said:

Seems to me that they're copying the format of S1, only replacing Emma's role with Regina and Henry's role with Emma, even down to using Operation Cobra. That's what they meant about going back to S1 format. Emma fears Regina is under the hood, so obviously she's not. Emma is seeing Archie like Henry did. Regina is set up as the Hero. Emma will die like Henry did, but Regina will save her with some sort of True Love sacrifice. Hell, maybe even an actual "friend" TLK. So E/R will get a TLK while CS doesn't.

I'm gonna hate this season so much more than I even thought! Although TBH I'm actually kind of laughing about it, the way it's set up is so obvious and bad. This show, I swear.

What a crap-tastic thought. The SQers would be even more insufferable then they already are after something like that. Gah!

[Mari]

5 minutes ago, Dianthus said:

 The SQers would be even more insufferable then they already are after something like that. Gah!

But . . . but . . . but . . .

I thought we agreed in the fandom thread that I was the most obnoxious, and therefore would also be the most insufferable.  Are you trying to take away my trophy, @Dianthus, because I have already built a case for it.

It sparkles.

:)

[Souris]

I don't actually expect a TLK, I was mostly being facetious, but some sort of heroic move by Regina to save Emma. They've pretty much spelled it out with neon letters.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Souris

[Mari]

Yeah.

I'm still trying to think of it as some sort of hallucination.

Is there any chance Emma goes "Thanks, Reggie." and goes off with the Charmings or Hook?  

Regina can have Henry to go on and on about her heroism, with my blessing, as long as we get to follow the others.

Edited October 3, 2016 by Mari
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2 hours ago, Souris said:

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Seems to me that they're copying the format of S1, only replacing Emma's role with Regina and Henry's role with Emma, even down to using Operation Cobra.

(Sorry, I can't get this out of the quote box) What's even worse about this is that Henry named it Operation Cobra part 2 before he knew the Evil Queen was back. It would have made more sense if the Operation was once again about stopping the EQ but with Regina's help this time. 

Edited October 3, 2016 by InsertWordHere

[RadioGirl27]

3 hours ago, Souris said:

Seems to me that they're copying the format of S1, only replacing Emma's role with Regina and Henry's role with Emma, even down to using Operation Cobra. That's what they meant about going back to S1 format. Emma fears Regina is under the hood, so obviously she's not. Emma is seeing Archie like Henry did. Regina is set up as the Hero. Emma will die like Henry did, but Regina will save her with some sort of True Love sacrifice. Hell, maybe even an actual "friend" TLK. So E/R will get a TLK while CS doesn't.

I'm gonna hate this season so much more than I even thought! Although TBH I'm actually kind of laughing about it, the way it's set up is so obvious and bad. This show, I swear.

Ugh, it's way to early in the morning for this kind of especulación ?? ??

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I spied what appears to be two of Cinderella's stepsisters in EF costume in the promo for the next episode and neither of them are Emma Rigby. Boo. 

Do not mess with my Red Queen, show. Don't do it. Maybe Anastasia won't show up in Storybrooke and I can continue to imagine that Will found her after Season 4 and they are now the White King and Queen of Wonderland. Flashback Anastasia can be living under some kind of appearance-altering spell. 

[Camera One]

Are we supposed to think maybe David murdered his father?  Why else did he need to act so shady?  

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3 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Are we supposed to think maybe David murdered his father?  Why else did he need to act so shady?  

David was a young kid at the time so I don't think we're supposed to think he killed his father. I think we're supposed to think someone else on the good guys side had something to do with his death or knows something about his death and the EQ is using it to divide them now. Snow would have also been pretty young at the time and Emma and Henry obviously weren't around. I think it's got to be either Regina, who might not have been evil at that point in the timeline, or Hook, who would have been in Neverland at the time, but seems to have made several trips back to the EF at Pan's bidding.

The EQ seemed to know an awful lot about it which one would think means Regina also knows about it, but lately they've made the EQ into some sort of secondary Rumple who knows everybody's business (that's why her hair is so big, it's full of secrets), including everything about Hook's deadbeat dad. If Hook was somehow involved, I'm sure Regina would somehow know about it even though David would have been nothing to her at the time and she didn't meet Hook until years later, because, why not? I guess Leopold or Eva are also possibilities, as that might be something that could be used to drive Snow and David apart, but the writers don't care about Snow's parents, so probably not. OTOH, they do like to make Snow's parents look bad, so I'll keep them as possibilities. Then there's the fact that Rumple had the coin, as we saw in that scene I never want to think about again, and Rumple has been part of David's family's story since the start. But Rumple isn't on the Nevengers anymore, and if he knew something bad about Hook or Regina that would cause a rift in the Charming family, it seems like he would have spilled it already.  

In short, this probably isn't going to make a lick of sense. Ooh, maybe it was Shady Blue?

[Shanna Marie]

Prediction: Emma will flee to the Land of Untold Stories in order to keep her vision from playing out. That seems to be something they're setting up, with all these people having gone there to press pause on their lives and keep something bad from happening. When she feels like she's getting close to that moment and doesn't have a solution, she'll find that key of Rumple's and head there. It doesn't sound like Hyde shut down the place when he left, and I doubt the entire population fit into that airship -- not even everyone we saw when the Charmings, Zelena, and Hook were running through the city -- so it's got to still be up and running (and you've got to wonder how the airship passengers were chosen. The Count probably didn't get on board willingly, so were they all people with links to Storybrookers?). Maybe the mid-season cliffhanger?

[Camera One]

If anything makes sense, they should be trying to find a way to get everyone back to the Land of Untold Stories pronto.  Instead of Operation Make Things Worse Part II.  Two innocent people are now dead because of two very dumb unnecessary actions/decisions (splitting EQ into two and Henry taking magic away from Storybrooke).

Edited October 4, 2016 by Camera One

[Camera One]

Emma doesn't need to stress about telling the secret to her parents.  I'm sure this scene will happen eventually...

ARCHIE: Hello!

SNOW: Be careful!  The Evil Queen is around.

ARCHIE: Yes, I talked about it with Emma at our 5 o'clock, right after we tried to deal with those visions she keeps having about dying from a sword wound not to mention those pesky uncontrollable hand tremors she keeps having.  Can't say more, patient-doctor confidentiality, you know!

[Curio]

On 10/3/2016 at 7:31 PM, Shanna Marie said:

Prediction: Emma will flee to the Land of Untold Stories in order to keep her vision from playing out.

 

I never thought of that, but that totally makes sense and sounds like an Emma move. (New York 3B rehash.) I wouldn't mind going back to Steampunk Land for a couple episodes if that's what happens, we barely scratched the surface of what that land was like in the Season 5 finale.

[Camera One]

 we barely scratched the surface of what that land was like in the Season 5 finale.

That's probably because A&E has no idea what it's like.  It's basically (another) random place where time stood still.

[KingOfHearts]

Does the Land of Untold Stories have some sort of time-freezing properties? It stopped Charlotte's poison from killing her. 

[Curio]

Yes, I think it's supposed to work like how Storybrooke was in Season 1. The moment you get there time is frozen, but you keep living life every day and your body doesn't age. So I guess Snow, David, Hook, and Zelena are all a day or so younger than Emma, Henry, Rumple, and Regina after their trip in the finale.

[Rumsy4]

I'm trying to imagine how the writers would adapt other classics in this arc. An adaptation of Jane Eyre would certainly include a mad woman in the attic, but she would be Rochester's mother who was a witch and unjustifiably imprisoned for doing magic. Jane would marry Rochester immediately in order to reform him with her love.

A take on Pride and Prejudice would feature a misunderstood Wickham. If only Georgina had married him, he would have turned into a good man. Concluding Lydia's disgrace is ultimately Darcy's fault, Mr. Bennet would visit Pemberley to fight a duel with Darcy, and be killed. 

Dr. Watson would be a secret serial killer who commits crimes for his friend Sherlock Holmes to solve. 

Macduff and Macbeth would become BFFs, and Macbeth acknowledged as the most misunderstood and suffering character in all of Shakespeare. 

Oliver Twist was obviously a savior. 

[kili]

I'm spoiler free in S6. I'm hoping that viewing without all those spoilers will make the show fresher for me (and lead to less teeth grinding as each spoiler comes out). Still, I need to be talked down from the ledge.

Clearly, David's dad's accident was not an accident. Somebody had to have murdered him and the Evil Queen would only make a big deal about it if it somebody he cares about. If Rumple did it, nobody would be all that shocked or feel all that betrayed because that is just what Rumple does. Same goes for the Evil Queen. It can't be Emma. I suppose that Snow could have accidently done it while being a thoughtless youth. Archie might have hidden in the bib of his overalls and popped out at a bad time (as is his habit) and scared David's dad enough he drove off of  a cliff.

But, I have an awful feeling it was Hook. I'm sure the writers will think it will create wonderful angst for Captain Swan if he killed her grandfather (and make Regina not look so bad as the only grandparent murderer). I can think of no conceivable reason why he would stage an accident to hide a murder (he's a pirate - he can just murder outright) unless he was doing it for somebody else, but who? He would hardly have taken a job from Rumple and they tried to make us think that Regina and Hook just met last season in the flashback with his dad.  I'm afraid that anything that has Hook killing David's dad will either lack logic or require retconning or both.

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Dr. Watson would be a secret serial killer who commits crimes for his friend Sherlock Holmes to solve. 

Actually, I wouldn't mind that. Although, I think Sherlock Holmes being the killer makes more sense and he does it to keep his acolyte impressed with him and writing stories. Watson could have been a naïve Author.

Let's have Robinson Crusoe being a complete idiot with Friday saving his life every other day.

Whatever will they do with Moby Dick? I'm sure that Jean Valjean will be guilty and Javert was right to haunt every day of that bread thief's life. Maybe old Jean tried to kill David's dad for the money and Sherlock Holmes was about to make David's Dad his next victim, only to be thwarted by Robinson who accidently frightened the Charming family horse when he bumbled into a bush and then came stumbling onto the road with bee hive on his head and a ferocious Winnie the Pooh giving chase.

[YaddaYadda]

8 minutes ago, kili said:

I can think of no conceivable reason why he would stage an accident to hide a murder (he's a pirate - he can just murder outright) unless he was doing it for somebody else, but who? He would hardly have taken a job from Rumple and they tried to make us think that Regina and Hook just met last season in the flashback with his dad.  I'm afraid that anything that has Hook killing David's dad will either lack logic or require retconning or both.

It's like you said. If he did it, then he wouldn't try to hide it or disguise it. I'd think he'd want people to know about it.

Hook was in Neverland back then. Maybe he came back to the EF on a Pan cake run. I think he might know the what, who and why, but I'd be surprised if he was involved directly. Of course, that doesn't mean he won't get bitched at for standing by and doing nothing.

At this point, I'm hoping they'll be a bit more creative than the whole Hook murdered David's father. Hook could have stumbled on this guy who sold one of his children to Rumple. Between he being sold as a child and his Rumple issues, there are enough reasons there without the retcon, but at this point, it's just angst for the sake of angst.

[Camera One]

I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to recreate the Jack/Sawyer moment from "Lost".  Where David thinks Hook was involved with his father's death but it turns out in the end to be the EQ.  But Hook would have been the last person to speak to David's father before he died, and he tells David that his father had truly given up drinking and had said he was proud of his son.  It's a Charming episode, so it has to be a one-and-done and never spoken of again.

[YaddaYadda]

10 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to recreate the Jack/Sawyer moment from "Lost".  Where David thinks Hook was involved with his father's death but it turns out in the end to be the EQ.  But Hook would have been the last person to speak to David's father before he died, and he tells David that his father had truly given up drinking and had said he was proud of his son.  It's a Charming episode, so it has to be a one-and-done and never spoken of again.

For that to work, David's father will have to have just left his family and not died when David was 6, like he thought he did. 

[Camera One]

Good point... then instead of the EQ, the father would have been killed by someone else.  Rumple or Jafar, etc.  That could still re-create the Jack/Sawyer moment.  I don't think they will permanently sully Hook by having him as the killer, because how would Charming et Co. forgive him for that.  Oh wait........ on this show, you're not family until you've tried to murder them or their parent.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Camera One

[Rumsy4]

3 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

For that to work, David's father will have to have just left his family and not died when David was 6, like he thought he did. 

If the writers remember that detail. Also, their basic math skills are questionable.

[Camera One]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Emma under the hood is winning the poll.

Is this because we're all having a deja vu with David fighting himself, and it's the whole like father like daughter thing?

 

2 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

Nah, for me it's because that's the easiest way to resolve the situation, where Emma gets killed, but then is saved by reintegrating her good self into the bad one's body, so she's back to being Original Recipe Emma, and somehow it'll be Emma who learns the Valuable Lesson rather than Regina, since Regina isn't really allowed to learn anything that sticks for more than thirty seconds or to suffer any consequences for her actions. And their clues that it's Regina/the Evil Queen are so obvious that they have to be a misdirect. Then again, TS;TW.

 

2 hours ago, Curio said:

I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of misdirects in each episode leading up to the battle. So next episode it'll be, "Oh no, it might be Rumple!" And then the next it will be "Oh no, it might be Jafar!" Etc. But one line I caught from 6x02 that I didn't notice the first time was Archie's line to Emma, "Does this have anything to do with your rival, the Evil Queen?" Is Archie the one character on this show equating Regina and the Evil Queen as the same person? Go Archie! Regina might have been Emma's rival, but they haven't played with that at all since Season 1. This story would have had a lot more impact if they didn't rush Emma and Regina's BFF status because there would have been a lot more tension whether or not grey Regina would go through with killing Emma.

This is speculation, so I'm replying here.

There are a few reasons why I think it will be Emma herself.  First, it fits with the theme of inner struggle and A&E are anything but subtle, and they've hinted that many characters will be struggling with themselves (except for Snowing in their centric... where they struggled with getting conked over the head).  Secondly, it provides their usual "surprise twist" (so surprising we all guessed it), since Rumple or Jafar or the villain-of-the-arc would be even more predictable and would not require a cloak.  Thirdly, it allows for a storyline where Emma doubts Regina/EQ, and hurts Regina's feelings, and it turns out of course Emma was wrong and Regina has nothing to do with it, and Emma grovels and their friendship will grow even stronger.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Camera One

[KAOS Agent]

I think it's Evil!Henry under the hood. He injected the serum to separate himself from the Author because he's dumb like that and Evil!Author!Henry must kill the Saviour because of Dark Saviour blood ink reasons.

[Camera One]

Some predictions for next episode based on nothing...
- Emma to go visit Mr. Gold for help on her visions, cue the typical conversation "Why should I help you?"
- Someone will ask Charming is okay when he is staring at the coin, and he will say "Oh nothing!"

[Amerilla]

On 9/22/2016 at 4:07 PM, KingOfHearts said:

 

From the Spoilers thread, talking about TVLine predicting one of the regulars will leave in S6.

 

 

 

Apologies for hopping back a couple of pages/days (vacation followed by illness = behind on my forum-reading), but it strikes me as likely that it's Robert Carlyle who is leaving. Just on a practical level, Trainspotting 2 comes out in Feb 2017, and since Begbie was one of his seminal roles, there's going to be a ton of press duties around that for the first three months of the year, both here and abroad, and while he could do that while filming S7, it would probably be easier not to. All his initial rationales for taking the role back in 2010 - that his kids were young and he didn't want to be away from home for months on a movie set, that it was a steady paycheck and schedule, etc - have been mooted by the passage of time. He obviously caught the directing bug. He hasn't hurt for work since the 1980s. And so on. And, while signing such a highly-regarded actor initially gave the show prestige (and press), at this point, they don't really need that anymore. The show is just going to stagger on to it's inevitable, cheesy, nonsensical conclusion, probably at the end of S7. The savings on his salary alone could fund a LOT of bad CGI. 

So, my uninformed speculation pings off Rumsy4's speculation: the baby is born, and in a blatant callback to both Emma kissing Henry in S1 and that sweet scene in S2 when he holds baby Baelfire for the first time, kissing the newborn acts as TLK and breaks the Dark One curse for good. He and Belle and the baby have maybe a minute or two of happy screentime (as a crumb to toss to the few remaining Rumbellers), and then the Evil Queen rips his heart out and crushes it. That act somehow sets off some plot chain reaction that leads to Regina vanquishing or reabsorbing the EQ. Sad funeral scene for Rumpel, deemed a hero for saving Regina (or whatever), and slam into S7, where Our Heroes spend their time running from Evil Paul Bunyan and a Rabid Blue Ox to kill time until the inevitable final CS wedding scene in the finale.

Edited October 6, 2016 by Amerilla
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[Camera One]

A Rumple death in late S6 would definitely draw some viewers back for a few episodes, and then they only have a final season to worry about, which probably will get a small spike solely because it's the final season.

[KingOfHearts]

The writers have made a mistake in waiting so long to formally introduce Aladdin/Jasmine. Every week the promos are reminding us they're supposed to be part of the season too. Aladdin could help carry the arc a bit, so it's an odd choice to keep him mostly out of it for the first few episodes.

[KingOfHearts]

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The conclusion being that it was never the Evil Queen side of Regina that was the impulsive killer, but the Regina side of her, the so-called "good" side!

There's nothing to support EQ is entirely darkness. She was capable of loving Henry, cuddled a baby, and gave Zelena a priceless gift. Hyde doesn't seem all that evil either. I'm thinking if Jekyll is revealed to be the "bad" side, maybe the same principle will hold true for Regina. 

EQ doesn't seem to be bound to emotional revenge or anything. Regina was the one who lost Daniel and blamed Snow. Without that emotional attachment only she was capable of, EQ wouldn't have anything to do. Regina births the feelings of vengefulness and anger through her baggage. EQ was only a vessel. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, not bad ones. The Evil Queen isn't evil without a reason. That would be silly. Regina genuinely thought going after Snow was justice.

Edited October 6, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

But they now have the Evil Queen being evil because that's what she does or something. Regina has learned this whole lesson multiple times about how failing to kill Snow was a good thing and how removing everyone's happiness didn't actually make her happy. The Evil Queen knows everything Regina does so why is the Evil Queen just repeating all the stuff she did in the past when she knows it doesn't actually mean she'll be happy? It's stupid. She needs a motivation that's different from her original one. Dark!Regina being necessary for the Evil Queen to live would be good. Something, anything beyond the Evil Queen just likes killing people and has some interesting sexual preferences.

[Mathius]

14 hours ago, Amerilla said:

and slam into S7, where Our Heroes spend their time running from Evil Paul Bunyan and a Rabid Blue Ox to kill time until the inevitable final CS wedding scene in the finale.

That would honestly be the best final season ever: the show's craziness come to a bizarrely natural conclusion.

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Hyde doesn't seem all that evil either. I'm thinking if Jekyll is revealed to be the "bad" side, maybe the same principle will hold true for Regina. 

No, I don't think either side is the "bad" side.  I think that will be the point, the whole "nothing is black and white" song and dance - the supposed dark side of yourself can still have light inside, and the supposed light side of yourself can still have darkness.  The Evil Queen and Hyde are most definitely evil, but the point I think being made is that this doesn't automatically make Jekyll and Regina completely "good". 

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But they now have the Evil Queen being evil because that's what she does or something. 

That's pretty much it.  Regina became the Evil Queen all on her own accord due to her own issues, and the split Evil Queen is just that crazy-ass person she became without any of said issues or context truly fueling her, so she's just doing what she does just because.  That's why she might be less prone to murder than before, since without Regina's over-reactive emotional state behind her, the Evil Queen is more collected and more of a manipulative schemer.....ironically, she's probably closer to S1 Mayor Mills than the Evil Queen, since at that point in life (after 28 years of having things go her way) Regina had "cooled off" enough, with her one kill (Graham) being done after a moment of pause and thinking it over rather than by impulse.

Edited October 7, 2016 by Mathius

[KingOfHearts]

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No, I don't think either side is the "bad" side.  I think that will be the point, the whole "nothing is black and white" song and dance - the supposed dark side of yourself can still have light inside, and the supposed light side of yourself can still have darkness.  The Evil Queen and Hyde are most definitely evil, but the point I think being made is that this doesn't automatically make Jekyll and Regina completely "good". 

If there's no "good" or "bad" side, what is the point of the split? If both sides are capable of both, then they're identical in that sense. If they're going with the "nothing is black and white" moral lesson, they're undermining their own writing and their audience. In 4A, the writers tried desperately to convince us that Regina's bad luck was due to the Author. We knew better, but the show forced it still. Then in 4x20, it all turned around. It was like viewers were being told, "Oh, you thought Regina needed the book changed to be happy? Ha! We got you good." 

As much as I think the split is stupid, I'll still be mad if it was all for nothing. Wasted time. We already did all this in S4.

Edited October 7, 2016 by KingOfHearts

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I am looking at a gif of Emma's hand tremors...but they're from 5x01...!

There's no way that Dark Swan could be lurking Emma's subconscious, is there? Or escaped to the LoUS because Emma's turn as a DO began/ended in not the usual way...just something weird going on with her magic shorting out when her tremors hit but in 5x01 her tremors hit when Dark magic was used...

Thoughts? ?

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I thought about it being something she caught from being the Dark One, but she has the same thing as Aladdin, so unless he was a Dark One at some point in his life, then I don't think it works. But I really, really want them to delve into that whole Dark Oneness from last season and the things she did, the voices in her head.

The tremors do seem to affect her magic in her vision, like maybe they block it, or something like that?

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On Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Curio said:

 

Ignore. the above....couldn't delete using this godawful android interface

The tremors and visions only started after she touched a piece of the airship wreckage..trap?, maybe a spell or hypnosis?

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58 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

The tremors and visions only started after she touched a piece of the airship wreckage..trap?, maybe a spell or hypnosis?

She went into the airship, but it was only after David threw a piece of the wreckage against something, and the noise it made that the tremors and visions started.

As far as the audience knows, she was the only one to go into the airship.

If they're going for some sort of PTSD thing, I can see why noise might have triggered the tremors, but I don't really understand where the visions are coming from on my end. Emma has had visions in the past in 5x18, but she was asleep when that happened.