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I must be alone here. David doesn't strike me as gay at all, just "not macho." Because a man (especially one raised with all the Gothard stuff) isn't macho and is rather awkward and soft-spoken doesn't make him gay. I enjoy this forum but this is an aspect that has always seemed quite catty.

He was more flaming in his earlier appearances, he likely saw what people said about him online, and butched himself up for subsequent appearances. His davidlovespriscilla.com site is really strange, and within it there's the story of how he entered into a courtship with Priscilla. Pa Keller asked him "I have only two questions for you: Are you willing to trust God with the size of your family and second, are you willing to be accountable to Priscilla for your Internet use.” Plus, he held off courtship and marriage for a relatively long time. Edited due to drunk spelling. Edited by Kokapetl
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I heard about the internet usage thing. That's WAY weird, but no reason it couldn't have had to do with just looking at regular porn. Now I feel icky.

Also, David and Priscilla were 25 when they got married, so relatively old by that point. I don't think she got many offers, people may have found her simple nature off putting. David was working for Gothard, squeaky clean and he's so white he's almost blue, so a catch in Gothardland. I think David just found women off putting.

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Next time I drive past Ill try to get a pic of headquarters, LOL!

 

Its funny bc Hinsdale/Oakbrook/Downers Grove is pretty expensive, I really want to know if TFDW and Prissy own their home. They live in DG which is FAR cheaper than OakBrook/Hinsdale(those areas have million dollar homes) but still pretty pricey. 

I'm almost 100% positive that Gothard/IBLP owns the home and that the Wallers rent.

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I like his name (TFDW). I think it suits him. I also believe if we met him in person, we'd like him just fine. He does seem a little flashy, and he's CERTAINLY up to his eyeballs in the Koolaide Godspeak. He IS a little fluffy (to me), and a little flamboyant, and a little dimmer than he, himself, would like to believe. I'm not all about calling out someone for being (or not being) gay. Truthfully the reason I stick with "TFDW" is because he's got a suitcase full of "Spiritual Superiority" that gets on my NERVES. (Josh had that going until just over a month ago...). I'm pretty sure that title followed him here from another snark site, but...I like it.

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. I don't think she got many offers, people may have found her simple nature off putting

. I hadda read that a few times before I understood your first sentence. I think you meant both David and Anna were 25 when they married their respective spouses, and not "David and Anna got married".

If so, and you think men were put off by Anna's simple nature - imagine the guys looking at Pris and HER simpleton views!!! They must have walked away scratching their heads saying, "IS SHE FOR REAL???" Or not.

Was Anna alone at the refreshment stand when Josh met her? Was she allowed to talk? Was he?

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Was Anna alone at the refreshment stand when Josh met her? Was she allowed to talk? Was he?

"Hi! My name is Josh. You remind me of my mother. You'd let me get away with molestation too!"

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. I hadda read that a few times before I understood your first sentence. I think you meant both David and Anna were 25 when they married their respective spouses, and not "David and Anna got married".

If so, and you think men were put off by Anna's simple nature - imagine the guys looking at Pris and HER simpleton views!!! They must have walked away scratching their heads saying, "IS SHE FOR REAL???" Or not.

Was Anna alone at the refreshment stand when Josh met her? Was she allowed to talk? Was he?

Yeah, I edited my post a few times, and I didn't notice that I wrote Anna instead of Priscilla until the final revision.
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. I hadda read that a few times before I understood your first sentence. I think you meant both David and Anna were 25 when they married their respective spouses, and not "David and Anna got married".

If so, and you think men were put off by Anna's simple nature - imagine the guys looking at Pris and HER simpleton views!!! They must have walked away scratching their heads saying, "IS SHE FOR REAL???" Or not.

Was Anna alone at the refreshment stand when Josh met her? Was she allowed to talk? Was he?

No, when either of them tell the refreshment stand story, they say that Anna was with one of her sisters. They never say who JOSH'S accountability partner was, but I think we can now all ascertain with about 100% certainty that it was a brother. I hope to God that they didn't let that creeper run around the ATI homeschool conference all by himself! 

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Before 1990, hunting mountain lions in California was legal providing you had a hunting license. As a vegetarian and animal rights activist, I protested that law by joining other like-minded souls in getting cougar hunting permits.  I then let said permits fallow so someone else who genuinely wanted to kill these beautiful, indigenous cats would be refused the opportunity.

 

So ... in a slight variation on this, I'm thinking it might prove interesting to spam-apply to Journey To The Heart. At  least it might tease out the vetting process. (I have no Gothardite credentials, so I'll likely fail to survive that gauntlet, but hey, we might learn something interesting along the way.) And reading reams of new applications would certainly divert Gothard's staff from other more dastardly projects.  Doing so wouldn't be illegal - and it won't save a mountain lion - but it might temporarily gum up their machinery. Anyone (pardon the pun) game?

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Before 1990, hunting mountain lions in California was legal providing you had a hunting license. As a vegetarian and animal rights activist, I protested that law by joining other like-minded souls in getting cougar hunting permits.  I then let said permits fallow so someone else who genuinely wanted to kill these beautiful, indigenous cats would be refused the opportunity.

 

So ... in a slight variation on this, I'm thinking it might prove interesting to spam-apply to Journey To The Heart. At  least it might tease out the vetting process. (I have no Gothardite credentials, so I'll likely fail to survive that gauntlet, but hey, we might learn something interesting along the way.) And reading reams of new applications would certainly divert Gothard's staff from other more dastardly projects.  Doing so wouldn't be illegal - and it won't save a mountain lion - but it might temporarily gum up their machinery. Anyone (pardon the pun) game?

I LOVE what you did for the mountain lions.  I'm astounded that California allowed that.  Did they only issue a certain number and that is why you were able to shut out the other jerks that would hunt such a beautiful creature?

 

I'm with you.  I think I will apply to JTTH.  I'm curious as to the requirements.   I highly doubt I will be accepted - but it might be fun.  Maybe TFDW could teach  class.  I'm LMAO- while thinking of what class I would put him in charge of.  I need to send myself to prayer closet asap~

 

Prissy would definitely teach women to speak in high pitched baby voices and always stare adoringly at their male head of households.  

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Yes, California had a limited number of cougar hunting permits. But those who hunted were allowed to do so with dogs, which lent an extra level of cruelty and misery to the slaughter of these majestic cats, who were run to exhaustion, treed and then shot.  Not talking about mountain lions near a grade school here - mostly all in the wild (where they belong). Anyway, that option is now thankfully defunct.

 

I'll look into JTTH. Don't know if it costs $$ or requires church bona fides, but I'm willing to find out and post the answers here. While I have had (OK, still have) a really embarrassing fascination with families like the Bates, The Willises and the Duggars, the little I know of JTTH suggests to me it's mostly about beating (metaphorically, I hope) the spirit and independent thinking out of young women. As a mother of two daughters, I find that horrifying. I'm assuming JTTH will refuse me. Though if I could find any way to take a class from  TFDW --- OMG! Who could resist that!

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I think you have to be a single female between 13-30 to be considered for the girls' JTTH. However, they also offer a Mother's JTTH, because you know women are such sinners! I do not think they offer this service for married men, and there are about 1/3 or maybe 1/2 the amount of boys' JTTH than girls'. Make of this what you will. 

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Interesting stuff to know, Sew Sumi. And just between you and me and this message board, I'd be out on all but the married mother eligibility (since I'm well over 30). But then that's info I just voluntarily gave you. A creative application might not include those details. In truth, I honestly doubt any mass application move is viable, though I did make myself smile today when I took that train of thought off the rails and found myself entertaining notions of going all "Gloria Steinem posing as a Playboy Bunny to expose the sexism and misogynistic values of the Hugh Hefner machine." Except this time it would be Gothard and I'd only have to wear clothing that covered me from the neck to the knees (as opposed to a bunny suit). Folly or no, I'm still going to look into how I could apply. I'll bet most everyone thought Gloria Steinem was crazy too.

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Astonishingly, the ranch style Maison d'Waller has a fair cash value of $47,200. The owners, who live a couple houses down the street, their house has a fair cash value of $492,800. Zillow and Redfin give estimates of $1,200,000 to $1,400,000 for the Wallerhaus.

Cash value of only $47,200? is there a zero missing? Downers Grove is expensive.

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When I started reading this forum and kept seeing references to Gothard HQ in Oakbrook, it piqued my curiosity since I live in an adjoining suburb. With a little research on Google I was shocked to realize that this was a building that I pass by on a regular, sometimes daily, basis. A building that for years I quite frankly thought was abandoned because I've never seen a single person there and there's never any movement or change at the windows. (Admittedly I have never driven down the side street that has access to the parking lot.) It's a plain red brick building with a white steeple in the pseudo-colonial style that was popular for business complexes in the 60's. There's minimal landscaping, just a lawn with a few evergreens, which is decidedly not the style around here. There's also this huge (as in West Point could troop the colors there) red stone patio in the back which has absolutely nothing on it.

 

It's a perfectly fine building. But you know what? The place creeps me out.

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WOW! Quilt Fairy!!!!! Yep it does look old from the pictures. I'm sure that developers have approached Gothard to sell that property many many times over. IDK how Bill can afford to maintain that property unless he has so many tax breaks since property values/taxes are krazy in that area.

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I have noticed, when Pris has been on 19 Kids, her straight face is completely different from her "sweet smiling face with smiling eyes." To the point where if I glanced absentmindedly at an episode and she was quickly shown with a straight face, often in profile, I didn't know who she was at first.

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I heard about the internet usage thing. That's WAY weird, but no reason it couldn't have had to do with just looking at regular porn. Now I feel icky.

Right, just as the Duggars have made a big deal about the guys having internet accountability, agreeing never to look at it alone, etc. So in and of itself, that requirement doesn't at all mean Pa Keller thought TFDW would be looking up gay porn; just porn in general. 

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While I think TFDW is flamboyant as hell, and I also find him creepy on a 'he seems to have a lot of anger just under the surface' level, I don't know that I think he's gay. In part because presumably if he was closeted, and Priss knew, she'd probably tell Anna, who would tell Josh, and given the Smuggs view on homosexuality, there is no way Josh would wrestle with him.

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While I think TFDW is flamboyant as hell, and I also find him creepy on a 'he seems to have a lot of anger just under the surface' level, I don't know that I think he's gay. In part because presumably if he was closeted, and Priss knew, she'd probably tell Anna, who would tell Josh, and given the Smuggs view on homosexuality, there is no way Josh would wrestle with him.

Pa Keller runs a prison ministry, he preaches to people that 95% of the population have written off. Perhaps Anna and Priscilla accepted a molestor and a gay guy as spouses in a similar vein, they believe everyone can change.
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I must be alone here. David doesn't strike me as gay at all, just "not macho." Because a man (especially one raised with all the Gothard stuff) isn't macho and is rather awkward and soft-spoken doesn't make him gay. I enjoy this forum but this is an aspect that has always seemed quite catty.

I think catty is a bit of a harsh term. We have definitely made fun of David's Gothardite beliefs, and I believe those, like all opinions, are fair game. I happen to think their patriarchal and bigoted ways of thinking are very damaging. As for calling him TFDW, in and of itself, I'm not sure how that's so mean. Whether or not he's actually gay, and of course he may well not be, he did act quite "fabulous" early on especially. 

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I think we agreed that we were going to leave it that David Waller is "fabulous" like theater kids are fabulous.

 

Five weeks ago, in case anyone has forgotten, we had about 10,000 posts show up in 3 days, then another 10,000 show up in about 2 weeks, so it's kind of hard to remember everything. Or anything. 

 

Anyway, I think the DW gay/not gay thing has been done to death, and the spirit of that dead horse has come to me and begged for relief from the beatings.

 

Thanks!

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Pa Keller runs a prison ministry, he preaches to people that 95% of the population have written off. Perhaps Anna and Priscilla accepted a molestor and a gay guy as spouses in a similar vein, they believe everyone can change.

I wouldn't even go so far as to say change, but they probably do believe that even people with strong desires, placed in settings and held accountable, can resist those desires. But having those desires alone doesn't make them sinners and they ALSO have a moral responsibility to help you with those temptations.

There is a lot that is messed up about fundamentalism. But one thing it doesn't do is whitewash sin in your own daily life and provide you with a community and structure to help you manage it. It's not something everyone or even most people need, perhaps, but if you did have an addiction, we are learning that being part of a living community that you are intricately connected to results in greater results than even the AA "higher power" method.

And it says something about the Kellers as a family that they are obviously not afraid to take on some challenges with people, both personally and professionally, that many of us wouldn't want to come into contact with.

But I do recognize the risk they take. Their world could come crashing down.

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I think we agreed that we were going to leave it that David Waller is "fabulous" like theater kids are fabulous.

Five weeks ago, in case anyone has forgotten, we had about 10,000 posts show up in 3 days, then another 10,000 show up in about 2 weeks, so it's kind of hard to remember everything. Or anything.

Anyway, I think the DW gay/not gay thing has been done to death, and the spirit of that dead horse has come to me and begged for relief from the beatings.

Thanks!

Sorry, I'm new.

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bella, if the dead horse spirit is talking to you, We have some questions for it...[[sneaks toward the exit..]]

 

I'm the dead-horse whisperer!

 

So have the Duggars had any known contact with any of their fellow fundie families in the last 2-3 weeks? Any sightings? I'm sure there are possibilities, but I'm wondering if they've actually got any friends offering moral support. The Duggars strike me as the kind of people who'd turn away support and would be hard to be friends with - some people don't make it easy, and I think they'd make it difficult. But I could be wrong.

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The closest I've even seen (that I recall) is Jess's pic that someone thought was taken in the Bates girl's closet, and that's vague. One thing that confounds me is that one kid who was supposedly away at "college". WHYYYY is it that none of the other college age kids snap and post pics of him? (Maybe they have, I wouldn't know him if he walked in my front door!). He seems to have just evaporated. If he's in public, YAY, good for HIM! But where IS this kid? They've done a better job of locking down and isolating themselves (even the married ones!) than I ever could have. 60 to zero in .13 seconds. And there are 21 of them, not counting spouses and grandchildren!!! Body guards? Force fields? Bug zappers? Tazers?

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I'm wondering where Michaela and Brandon Kellon will live once they get married. Brandon works for Gothard and lives here in Chicago but once he is married does he get a house on TFDW and Prissy's street? 

 

Like the girls that live in Chicago have said in that area where Gothard's cult is (Oakbrook, IL) there aren't any fundies so I would imagine the few that are there all live near each other.

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WHYYYY is it that none of the other college age kids snap and post pics of him? (Maybe they have, I wouldn't know him if he walked in my front door!). He seems to have just evaporated. If he's in public, YAY, good for HIM! But where IS this kid?

I've seen dozens of pics of Joe actually in class. They're on facebook, or I'd post them. None post-scandal though. It broke right around the time a typical semester would be ending, anyway.

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Clown College semesters end around the second week of May, so Joe would have been back home by the time Joshgate broke. I remember this from when I saw pictures from Erin Bates Paine's graduation last year. 

 

As for Michael and Brandon, he works at Gothard HQ, so they'll live somewhere in the Chicago burbs. 

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I'll look into JTTH. Don't know if it costs $$ or requires church bona fides, but I'm willing to find out and post the answers here. While I have had (OK, still have) a really embarrassing fascination with families like the Bates, The Willises and the Duggars, the little I know of JTTH suggests to me it's mostly about beating (metaphorically, I hope) the spirit and independent thinking out of young women. As a mother of two daughters, I find that horrifying. I'm assuming JTTH will refuse me. Though if I could find any way to take a class from  TFDW --- OMG! Who could resist that!

I looked at the site and can't find the price - but you can bet your bottom dollar it is not free.  I'm couldn't find a way to attach the application.    A few of my favorite highlights:

 

The Key to Journey Success

                                 

-Are you willing to surrender your body to the Lord and purpose that by His grace, you will resist "the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life"? (This includes things like wrong music, sensual images, friendships that displease your parents, unwholesome movies or books, etc.) If you struggle with surrender, then are you open to asking God to give you the willingness to surrender?

 

-Unfortunately, if one member is resisting God, that affects the whole group, and the spirit of oneness is hindered. When this is the case, we may have no choice but to have the divisive member separated from their team, or returned home at their own expense and without a refund.

I have read and agree to this

I do not agree to this

 

Our one goal on this Journey is to seek the Lord and to enjoy His presence. Since this is the main focus, anything that detracts from it is a distraction not only for you, but also for those around you. To help you get the most out of your time with God, we request  that you leave your CD players, MP3 players, IPods, secular books, and laptops at home, and also come ready to give your cell phone to your leader for the week. A phone number will be made available for emergency calls.

 

And the best is this one... wait for it...  

 

-Please note: A photo of the registrant is required to complete the application.

File must be a .GIF or .JPG image.

Maximum file size is 10MB.

If you can't upload the photo here, please email it to journeytotheheart@iblp.org

 

They want a photo!  I guess the pervs have to make sure you are pretty enough.  WTF!

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I'm wondering where Michaela and Brandon Kellon will live once they get married. Brandon works for Gothard and lives here in Chicago but once he is married does he get a house on TFDW and Prissy's street? 

 

Like the girls that live in Chicago have said in that area where Gothard's cult is (Oakbrook, IL) there aren't any fundies so I would imagine the few that are there all live near each other.

I saw fundies in demin skirts once or twice- once in Yorktown Mall in the JC Penny and once by the World Market/Nordstrom Rack/ TJ Max Strip mall in Oakbrook terrace. But they are super rare considering the HQ is right nearby.

 

They stick out like sore thumbs around here. lol And the maxi skirt trend is IN so I guess they could blend in if they wanted to get regular maxi skirt and dresses ( who knows maybe I have encountered more fundies than I realize) - I myself could pass for a tendy fundie  time to time ( i LOVE maxi skirts) but they had the ankle length denim thing going on with the long hair and polos. 

The people in JC penny had little girls with them all  in the denim skirts so that was the most obvious. 

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I looked at the site and can't find the price - but you can bet your bottom dollar it is not free.  I'm couldn't find a way to attach the application.    A few of my favorite highlights:

 

The Key to Journey Success

                                 

-Are you willing to surrender your body to the Lord and purpose that by His grace, you will resist "the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life"? (This includes things like wrong music, sensual images, friendships that displease your parents, unwholesome movies or books, etc.) If you struggle with surrender, then are you open to asking God to give you the willingness to surrender?

 

-Unfortunately, if one member is resisting God, that affects the whole group, and the spirit of oneness is hindered. When this is the case, we may have no choice but to have the divisive member separated from their team, or returned home at their own expense and without a refund.

I have read and agree to this

I do not agree to this

 

Our one goal on this Journey is to seek the Lord and to enjoy His presence. Since this is the main focus, anything that detracts from it is a distraction not only for you, but also for those around you. To help you get the most out of your time with God, we request  that you leave your CD players, MP3 players, IPods, secular books, and laptops at home, and also come ready to give your cell phone to your leader for the week. A phone number will be made available for emergency calls.

 

And the best is this one... wait for it...  

 

-Please note: A photo of the registrant is required to complete the application.

File must be a .GIF or .JPG image.

Maximum file size is 10MB.

If you can't upload the photo here, please email it to journeytotheheart@iblp.org

 

They want a photo!  I guess the pervs have to make sure you are pretty enough.  WTF!

Where is JTH? Oak Brook? 

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We went to that very strip mall in Oakbrook Terrace last week and saw NO fundies. :(

 

Hmmm I might be reaching by saying I can see Prissy and TFDW at Oakbrook Mall since they live closer to Yorktown! Road trip next time JCP has coupons!!

 

I shop on the boarder of Niles/Skokie and I see women with long skirts, their girls with long skirts and their boys in shirts and long pants. But being near Skokie I think they are more Jewish than fundie. 


Where is JTH? Oak Brook? 

I think the camp is in Michigan!?

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Wtf?! Why do they need a photo of JTTH participants? Isn't the whole purpose to develop a closer relationship to God? What does physical appearance have to do with it?

Gives Bill a heads up on who  will become    his next "pet."

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Well, to make sure Flo from Mel's Diner OR the commercial aren't applying. You'd have to have the LOOK to get in there!!! Don't think for one second the photos aren't the first thing that get scrutinized, either! So... JTTH wants to know you aren't coming in there to get beat back in shape. No delinquents, no purple hair, no nose rings. Butt ugly will get you a makeover. Truly needing to have help to straighten out your life will get you sent home. Or (horrified!!!) SEPARATED. wow.

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I did finally see the price.  It is 800 for non ATI cult members.  

 

ETA:  They have another later this year in Oregon. 

 

AND also, for all of you on this forum that will be registering late, it will be $850.  

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Wtf?! Why do they need a photo of JTTH participants? Isn't the whole purpose to develop a closer relationship to God? What does physical appearance have to do with it?

I guess the men are going to either judge hotness, or issue withering critiques of their fashion/style choices.
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However, they meet at HQ and are driven/bussed up to the UP. They used to meet with Gothard before embarking for Northwoods; I'm not sure what the protocol is now. I do know that they still meet at HQ, though. TFDW just talked about it in his most recent blog post. 

 

I've seen some VERY unfortunate-looking girls in JTTH group pictures, so I guess they're checking for "bad" hair and/or errant piercings, tattoos, etc.

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OMG one of my friend's shared a picture of a stink bus for sale on FB. Who's in? We can tour the country! Maybe we can rescue Jana!

Perhaps, I would have to insist you replace the manufacturers seating with something cobbled together that violates regulations. You'd also need to fly me to America on Malaysia Airlines.

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JTTH now has a mothers'/women's program:  https://www.regonline.com/builder/site/Default.aspx?EventID=1708780.  It's September 19th to 27th.  So, who's in?  I can imagine us  not even making it to the camp up north.  We would be lucky to make it through the "first official session" on Saturday.  During Sunday's "personal interviews" we would be escorted out.  In fact, I think there is a strong chance I would be branded with a big red A before being forced off of the property.  

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This picture of the Bateses - does Whitney look pregnant to you? She looks like she's rocking a 5 month bump to me...

 

Edit - I read some of the comments and it seems Chad/Erin said Whitney is not pregnant. I looked at more recent ones and she is slimmer.

 

And I'm creeping like crazy on all the Bateses-related instagrams. Super cute photos like this one and this one and you can really see how much Bradley looks like Whitney.

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