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Please keep your speculation and comments on the end of Supernatural in the Supernatural Ending topic. Use this topic here or the Bitter Speculation topic for discussion of the upcoming season only. As always, keep Bitch vs. Jerk discussion in its own topic.

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NEXT ON SUPERNATURAL Sam and Dean search for the yellow-eyed thing that killed their mom.

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I don’t care who JA is going to be playing. I could seriously watch this guy read the phone book and be completely enthralled. I am just looking forward to some powerhouse acting full of nuances by wh

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So, so over it. You're a big boy - if you don't agree, put up or shut your judgey piehole.

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If you’ve taken the Nashville tour with Richard and his hilarious Dad, then get ready to meet the next member of Richard’s family to be a part of the Supernatural fun bus tour - Peter Cimino, Rich’s spirited brother-in-law, who is hosting the gang for lunch at his restaurant! 

Taking place on Wednesday February 21, the bus tours are often noted as one of the most fun parts of any of the conventions and a lot has to do with the camaderie of the speaker and the fans aboard. Here, no one shines like Richard Speight, Jr.

Time: Wednesday 10am-4pm 
$329 per ticket everyone will receive a complimentary lunch. 
TENTATIVE Stops Along the Tour:
Hoover Dam
Powerplant Tour of Hoover Dam (there is a power fee here that we’ll cover for our group)
Lunch -TBD 
Bus pick up location – Rio Suites Hotel and Casino 
Bus Load in – 9:50 AM 
Waiver – signed prior to loading bus. PLEASE BE ON TIME!

 

It sounds like lunch was included for those on the tour.  So they booked the whole restaurant. 

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catrox14

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1 hour ago, Diane said:

If you’ve taken the Nashville tour with Richard and his hilarious Dad, then get ready to meet the next member of Richard’s family to be a part of the Supernatural fun bus tour - Peter Cimino, Rich’s spirited brother-in-law, who is hosting the gang for lunch at his restaurant! 

Taking place on Wednesday February 21, the bus tours are often noted as one of the most fun parts of any of the conventions and a lot has to do with the camaderie of the speaker and the fans aboard. Here, no one shines like Richard Speight, Jr.

Time: Wednesday 10am-4pm 
$329 per ticket everyone will receive a complimentary lunch. 
TENTATIVE Stops Along the Tour:
Hoover Dam
Powerplant Tour of Hoover Dam (there is a power fee here that we’ll cover for our group)
Lunch -TBD 
Bus pick up location – Rio Suites Hotel and Casino 
Bus Load in – 9:50 AM 
Waiver – signed prior to loading bus. PLEASE BE ON TIME!

 

It sounds like lunch was included for those on the tour.  So they booked the whole restaurant. 

Right that's what the follow up tweet suggested. That's why I said never mind LOL

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gonzosgirrl

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17 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Dean being injured is quite a surprise TBH.

Do you think he looks injured, or were there more spoilers about it? I thought it looked more like maybe he got some smoke (if this is about a fire) than physically injured - unless that's what you meant?

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Bobcatkitten

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He looks pained, maybe something with his heart? Smoke inhalation could work. Coming out of the room where they usually talk//torture people in the bunker and wearing the clothes from the episode where they are talking to Donatello. I'm in whatever it is. Love when the brothers take care of each other. 

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catrox14

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36 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Do you think he looks injured, or were there more spoilers about it? I thought it looked more like maybe he got some smoke (if this is about a fire) than physically injured - unless that's what you meant?

He looks physically injured in some internal way, smoke inhalation could be one of those things.  Even when he had a torn up leg he hobbled himself back tot he bunker. I'm not sure why Sam would be helping him if he wasn't somewhat badly injured.

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gonzosgirrl

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12 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

He looks physically injured in some internal way, smoke inhalation could be one of those things.  Even when he had a torn up leg he hobbled himself back tot he bunker. I'm not sure why Sam would be helping him if he wasn't somewhat badly injured.

If it's fire-related, I'd guess smoke - he'd be weak in the knees with lack of oxygen. But neither of them look particularly sooty, so who knows?! I just hope it was something badass and not more Deansel.

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catrox14

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13 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

If it's fire-related, I'd guess smoke - he'd be weak in the knees with lack of oxygen. But neither of them look particularly sooty, so who knows?! I just hope it was something badass and not more Deansel.

The only other guess I have is that somehow Dean was Michael and had to kick him out and then they escape but that is really not gonna happen.

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I am putting this here as a possible spoiler for the return of Benny. I posted this in the Awards thread because it's on the Canadagraphs ballot. 

Ty Olsson is listed  for Best Guest Actor alongside Jim Beaver and Osric Chau.

Have I completely lost my mind? I don't remember Ty Olsson being in the show since 2015. He shouldn't be on here unless this is a mistake, or a late entry and this is a spoiler.

I mean I think I would remember because I love Ty Olsson and Benny is one of my faves.

I will both be happy if this is a spoiler, and also a little be sad to have been spoiled by a ballot. I don't mind being spoiled when I'm looking for spoilers but not this way. It's not a mistake re other actors because Mark Pellegrino ws on the Best Actor in Sci Fi ballot (he didn't make the final cut)  and Alexander Calvert is on the Best Recurring Actor ballot. 

So I'm speccing this is an AU Benny return of some kind.

re unless he's going to be in a future episode. I tweeted at Canadagraphs to get clarification, cause I am really confused.

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ILoveReading

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3 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

 

I am putting this here as a possible spoiler for the return of Benny. I posted this in the Awards thread because it's on the Canadagraphs ballot. 

Ty Olsson is listed  for Best Guest Actor alongside Jim Beaver and Osric Chau.

Have I completely lost my mind? I don't remember Ty Olsson being in the show since 2015. He shouldn't be on here unless this is a mistake, or a late entry and this is a spoiler.

I mean I think I would remember because I love Ty Olsson and Benny is one of my faves.

I will both be happy if this is a spoiler, and also a little be sad to have been spoiled by a ballot. I don't mind being spoiled when I'm looking for spoilers but not this way. It's not a mistake re other actors because Mark Pellegrino ws on the Best Actor in Sci Fi ballot (he didn't make the final cut)  and Alexander Calvert is on the Best Recurring Actor ballot. 

So I'm speccing this is an AU Benny return of some kind.

re unless he's going to be in a future episode. I tweeted at Canadagraphs to get clarification, cause I am really confused.

Jensen did say in the gold panel that that they were currently filming with one of his all time favorite characters.

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5 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Jensen did say in the gold panel that that they were currently filming with one of his all time favorite characters.

Oh, that's awesome. I feel bad posting it in the awards thread but it's on the ballot so how do I avoid it? I mean it's not a spoiler that's been leaked. Not a peep from Ty or anyone else.  And I realize Canadagraphs gets a lot of spoilers but how can they include a character if the episode hasn't aired yet? It's all pretty weird.  I'll also be kind of sad that it got spoiled this way if the show was working to keep it quiet, 

I've never been this conflicted about being spoiled. I don't mind when I'm looking for them. LOL I wasn't looking for it on the Best of TV awards. LOL

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gonzosgirrl

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26 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Jensen did say in the gold panel that that they were currently filming with one of his all time favorite characters.

If it is Ty/Benny, I'm conflicted. He is also one of my all time favourite characters - probably my favourite non-regular. But Dabb so very thoroughly ruined Mary Winchester that I shudder to think what he'd do to Benny. Not to mention the reaction from the faction that hate the character for... reasons.

I kind of thought Jensen was talking about Charlie - which wouldn't bother me because they can't ruin that character more than they already did, lol.

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catrox14

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17 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

If it is Ty/Benny, I'm conflicted. He is also one of my all time favourite characters - probably my favourite non-regular. But Dabb so very thoroughly ruined Mary Winchester that I shudder to think what he'd do to Benny. Not to mention the reaction from the faction that hate the character for... reasons.

I kind of thought Jensen was talking about Charlie - which wouldn't bother me because they can't ruin that character more than they already did, lol.

I can see a case for Charlie.  They did take a knee and prayed when Charlie was mentioned which is not what they usually do when her name comes up.

I  think it would be funny if it is Benny, for him to show up as a bartender/rebel named Benny in the AW.  It would be a nice little nod to Eli, the vampire in s2 who was played by Ty.  Heh.

Although for me, if they did try to ruin Benny in the AW, I can disregard it just like I am disregarding the amped up annoying AW Kevin (did not like that characterization at all).  And I can disregard the new Michael as being painted as being worse that regular!Michael and worse than Lucifer, cause NOPE, not IMO. YMMV.

And that I can disregard AW Bobby and AW Rufus, which FTR, naming a gun after Rufus REALLLLY pisses me off for a number of reasons. if they bring over any character from the AW and they get stuck in the SPN world, I still will disregard them.

I really hope they don't bring anyone over and have the boys start thinking of them as "their" versions. I fear we already have that with Cas beyond the boys being fooled by Casmodeus for so long (RME at that stupidity, cause Dean wouldn't have been, no matter what anyone says) IMO it's foreshadowing doppelganger shenanigans ahead.

And they really better not pull any nonsense like what Arrow is doing with the Lance family.  I'm not saying anything else about that.  Arrow viewers will understand and won't spoil the rest. Suffice to say, it really pisses me off and Dabb better not pull that crap with any of the AW characters, no matter how beloved. I'm just sayin'. 

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Pondlass1

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I was momentarily excited for Benny to return but @gonzosgirrl is right.  Don't expect complex relationships from this showrunner, so maybe it's best if he stays put in purgatory. 

Fan Fav Charlie might return.  Felicia has had a baby which she can bring to this child-friendly set.  I could have liked the character enormously if they'd just kept her as a helpful nerd, but they couldn't help themselves so she became 'the smartest person in the room' (although she did the most stupidest of things). 

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gonzosgirrl

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27 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I can see a case for Charlie.  They did take a knee and prayed when Charlie was mentioned which is not what they usually do when her name comes up.

Also, Sam Ferris was a guest at VegasCon - something that hasn't happened for a long time. I won't be at all surprised if he was talking about Ellen.

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gonzosgirrl

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Just now, scribe95 said:

UO - but I don't like bringing all the characters back. Enough! The more it happens the more it feels like the last season. Also, it hampers the writing to try to force people in.

Agreed!! It sucks when it's not the original character, and sucks even harder when it is (looking at you, Ketch).

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The show is in the December of its life.  Seems like they might think it a good time to bring everyone back for a guest shot.  I liked Ellen.  Hope she makes an appearance.  I saw a tweet somewhere that JDM would like to return too (I'll eat my hat if he doesn't).  

 I personally don't believe in an after life.  So it's strange that I enjoy and seek out these types of supernatural shows. LOL

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catrox14

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6 minutes ago, scribe95 said:

UO - but I don't like bringing all the characters back. Enough! The more it happens the more it feels like the last season. Also, it hampers the writing to try to force people in.

I don't mind if they bring them back. It's a matter of how they do it, and how they use them and sometimes the show flops on that. Especially if it's a character that gets a shitty stupid death. 

But I swear I think Singer trolls fandom. I think they have purposely created a world where in since death is not final, not even in the Empty, that fans will constantly be talking about the show for good or negative. 

I think they want all the online speculation

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Jonesy

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2 hours ago, catrox14 said:

 

I am putting this here as a possible spoiler for the return of Benny. I posted this in the Awards thread because it's on the Canadagraphs ballot. 

Ty Olsson is listed  for Best Guest Actor alongside Jim Beaver and Osric Chau.

Have I completely lost my mind? I don't remember Ty Olsson being in the show since 2015. He shouldn't be on here unless this is a mistake, or a late entry and this is a spoiler.

I mean I think I would remember because I love Ty Olsson and Benny is one of my faves.

I will both be happy if this is a spoiler, and also a little be sad to have been spoiled by a ballot. I don't mind being spoiled when I'm looking for spoilers but not this way. It's not a mistake re other actors because Mark Pellegrino ws on the Best Actor in Sci Fi ballot (he didn't make the final cut)  and Alexander Calvert is on the Best Recurring Actor ballot. 

So I'm speccing this is an AU Benny return of some kind.

re unless he's going to be in a future episode. I tweeted at Canadagraphs to get clarification, cause I am really confused.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it seems to me TY is nominated for the show LUCIFER not SPN.  While Wil Wheaton of all people is nominated for SPN with Jim and Osiric.   At least that is what this SPECIFIC tweet seems to be saying to me.

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catrox14

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30 minutes ago, Jakes said:

Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it seems to me TY is nominated for the show LUCIFER not SPN.  While Wil Wheaton of all people is nominated for SPN with Jim and Osiric.   At least that is what this SPECIFIC tweet seems to be saying to me.

You are. If you go to the poll website or even check the awards thread where I posted my usual aruff, you'll see Ty is listed as Supernatural

It s just how the twee treads in the formatting.

I just brought that Tweet over for ease

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3 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

You are. If you go to the poll website or even check the awards thread where I posted my usual aruff, you'll see Ty is listed as Supernatural

It s just how the twee treads in the formatting.

I just brought that Tweet over for ease

Ah I see--like I said what you brought over by how it was displayed looked like that but i'll take your word for it.  If Benny is back I'm pretty sure it will be AU.

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2 minutes ago, Jakes said:

Ah I see--like I said what you brought over by how it was displayed looked like that but i'll take your word for it.  If Benny is back I'm pretty sure it will be AU.

You don't have to take my word for it. I mean I appreciate it but just know it's on the poll as Ty under Supernatural. Also, if you if you click on the tweet itself it's more clear there too that Ty is with the Supernatural hash tag. it's all kind of a mystery why he's listed but we are having more of that convo in the awards thread

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catrox14

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26 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

Ugh at that awful, horrible, unoriginal cliche of a Gary Stu character being back. 

I'm not sure how a vampire can be a Gary Stu, but okay. Maybe I'll get my Denny lowkey ship to add to my Destiel ship and they'll just be happily poly and I can call them Cassy, Marty and Gary Stuchester-Novak and they can rule world  with Sam to complete the quadrangle. He'll need a boyfriend though. I'd be happy for that.

But I don't think you need to worry. I think it's probably a mistake on the ballot or something. Cause the episode would have had to have aired in 2017.

 

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Okay, mystery resolved. Canadagraphs got back to me. Ty is not up for Supernatural. .  expect they'll change the poll. Oh well, maybe we'll still get Benny by the end of the season anyway.

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He's up for The 100, and they've already changed the poll

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gonzosgirrl

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33 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I'm not sure how a vampire can be a Gary Stu, but okay. Maybe I'll get my Denny lowkey ship to add to my Destiel ship and they'll just be happily poly and I can call them Cassy, Marty and Gary Stuchester-Novak and they can rule world  with Sam to complete the quadrangle. He'll need a boyfriend though. I'd be happy for that.

But I don't think you need to worry. I think it's probably a mistake on the ballot or something. Cause the episode would have had to have aired in 2017.

 

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Okay, mystery resolved. Canadagraphs got back to me. Ty is not up for Supernatural. .  expect they'll change the poll. Oh well, maybe we'll still get Benny by the end of the season anyway.

***

He's up for The 100, and they've already changed the poll

 

Please. It's Casy.

ETA and OT, I saw an OTP ship name on Twitter a bunch of times: Bean. For months I assumed it was Benny and Dean. Turns out it was Baby and Dean. Hahahahaha! (and also, ewwww).

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Wayward Son

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33 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I'm not sure how a vampire can be a Gary Stu, but okay. Maybe I'll get my Denny lowkey ship to add to my Destiel ship and they'll just be happily poly and I can call them Cassy, Marty and Gary Stuchester-Novak and they can rule world  with Sam to complete the quadrangle. He'll need a boyfriend though. I'd be happy for that.

But I don't think you need to worry. I think it's probably a mistake on the ballot or something. Cause the episode would have had to have aired in 2017.

 

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Okay, mystery resolved. Canadagraphs got back to me. Ty is not up for Supernatural. .  expect they'll change the poll. Oh well, maybe we'll still get Benny by the end of the season anyway.

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He's up for The 100, and they've already changed the poll

Heh let’s hook up Dean and Benny (they’re welcome to each other), give Sam a new character girlfriend and Cas a new character boyfriend (or bring back Inias’) and problem sorted ;) 

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catrox14

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7 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Please. It's Casy.

ETA and OT, I saw an OTP ship name on Twitter a bunch of times: Bean. For months I assumed it was Benny and Dean. Turns out it was Baby and Dean. Hahahahaha! (and also, ewwww).

SORRY! You're right. It's Casy...mea culpa.

6 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

Heh let’s hook up Dean and Benny (they’re welcome to each other), give Sam a new character girlfriend and Cas a new character boyfriend (or bring back Inias’) and problem sorted ;) 

What do you have against Sam having a boyfriend? Whose Inias? Is that an angel? Wouldn't that be incest for angels since they are all  brothers and sisters? Also, that makes that whole Lucifer/Anael thing even worse. EWWWWWW. stop it show.

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5 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So I am guessing by these pics, that the pic of Sam supporting an injured Dean isn't from this episode?

Those pics are for A Most Holy Man which isn't this week. This week is Good Intentions. I don't remember seeing any spoiler pics for that one.

Never mind those were released last week.

So that one with Dean injured is for this week.

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ILoveReading

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4 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So I am guessing by these pics, that the pic of Sam supporting an injured Dean isn't from this episode?

The last shaving people, punting things video showed the bunker on fire.  I'm guessing Dean will need to be rescued from it.

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2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Those pics are for A Most Holy Man which isn't this week. This week is Good Intentions. I don't remember seeing any spoiler pics for that one.

https://www.spoilertv.com/2018/02/supernatural-episode-1314-good.html

There are pics similar to the Jack/Mary pic, and Sam has the same shirt on, but is Dean's different? Or is it just too dark to tell in the Clarissa tweet?

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So they are getting this a week before it's premiered. How the Hell are they not going to have spoilers all over the place for the episode. I'm kind of bugged about this TBH.

https://www.spoilertv.com/2018/02/supernatural-season-13-newsreel-updated.html

Scoobynatural Premiering at Paley Fest
 

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PaleyFest: Supernatural
Stars in Person!

March 20, 2018 at 6:45PM
 

Source:

Dolby Theatre

 

When Supernatural hits PaleyFest on March 20, it’s bringing a special treat. Translation? Supernatural‘s PaleyFest event will serve as the world premiere for the Supernatural–Scooby-Doo crossover, which is appropriately titled “Scoobynatural.”

The crossover — which will air on Thursday, March 29 on The CW for the rest of the world — was first announced at the CW Upfronts in May 2017.
 

Source:

EW

 

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

https://www.spoilertv.com/2018/02/supernatural-episode-1314-good.html

Yeah I forgot. I corrected my post. LOL Thank you, though!

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7 hours ago, scribe95 said:

UO - but I don't like bringing all the characters back. Enough! The more it happens the more it feels like the last season. Also, it hampers the writing to try to force people in.

I have to agree with this.  What originally sounded like a fun idea at the beginning of the year has turned out to be a disappointment, IMO.  There are too many characters this season, and none of them are being fleshed out in any real way.  It's just a revolving door.  

I watched the latest con video, and I am confused.  This is the 2nd time that Jared has actively asked people to be vocal with TPTB, if they want the show to continue?  I just don't know what to make of that.  The ratings have been good this year, and they've repeated the same mantra that the show will continue as long and Jensen and Jared want to, so what exactly is he asking for?  Have they had a change of heart and now want to stick around a while longer?  Is he still pushing for the shorter seasons and is hoping that the clamoring fans will encourage the network to agree to that?  I'm bewildered.

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3 hours ago, MysteryGuest said:

I have to agree with this.  What originally sounded like a fun idea at the beginning of the year has turned out to be a disappointment, IMO.  There are too many characters this season, and none of them are being fleshed out in any real way.  It's just a revolving door.  

I agree with this.  I do like Ketch, but what exactly is his purpose?  His roll could easily be filled by stunt demon number 3.  He's basically there to take up time and is someone for Asmodeus to bounce ideas of. 

I really enjoyed Dean and Ketch's scenes together in The Raid.  A cat/mouse game where Ketch was gaslighting Dean would have been a good story line. 

There is no reason for Gabriel to be back expect for fan service.  The show clearly has no plans to get rid of Lucifer.  So its just going to turn out to be red herring.  It just seems another way for the writers to be lazy because they're just basically copy and pasting season 5/8 as I figure Sam is about to get another quest.  They telegrahed that the minute Sam said hew as scared of Lucifer's real face.

The biggest lose of potential has been the AU.  It's basically just been squandered and used as more filler.  They had a real opportunity to have characters come back in a meaningful away.  Imagine an AU where Alastiar was still alive, and Dean had been in hell long enough to become a demon.  It would have given Jensen an opportunity to play more demon Dean.  Something he has repeatedly said he wants.  Or an AU where John died in the fire instead of Mary.   Or and AU where Dean was the one who rebelled and left the family while Sam stayed.  An AU where Dean said yes to Michael.   Or and AU where everyone knows about monsters and hunting is a respected profession.  

There were so many what if the scenarios the writers could have done. 

Right now there are to many characters, to many open plot lines, and not enough development on any of them.  I have no clue what this season is even supposed to be about other then Jack's journey. 

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11 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

If it is Ty/Benny, I'm conflicted. He is also one of my all time favourite characters - probably my favourite non-regular. But Dabb so very thoroughly ruined Mary Winchester that I shudder to think what he'd do to Benny. Not to mention the reaction from the faction that hate the character for... reasons.

I kind of thought Jensen was talking about Charlie - which wouldn't bother me because they can't ruin that character more than they already did, lol.

They hate Benny because he was the proverbial better brother in every way. If Dean coulddesign a brother he would be Benny.

Of course Dean loves his actual brother...

And it doesn't help that Sam was being a right shit at the time Benny was introduced.

A certain crowd was desperate for Benny to be bad so much so that their discussion of Benny episodes borders on fanfic... well Benny is bad F anfic.

I love him.

I think they did a great job with Mary  and with the Dean Mary dynamic.

On 2/16/2018 at 8:02 PM, catrox14 said:

Collecting everything they need?  Um what?

o I guess this also tells us that they don't get one open in the next episode. LOL

Look, did Dean have his memory erased at some point? Is he just ignoring Billie's admonishment? I mean yes they already opened but come on.  Did he ever tell Sam that she told him/them  to not do that? 

It is a spell clearly.  All of the spells from tablets have required components.

If archangel grace is needed that could be a scenario in which Dean  makes a deal with Michael.  Something along the lines of you give me grace and I am yours.

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13 minutes ago, Castiels Cat said:

It is a spell clearly.  All of the spells from tablets have required components.

If archangel grace is needed that could be a scenario in which Dean  makes a deal with Michael.  Something along the lines of you give me grace and I am yours.

Yeah, probably. Those pesky spells. I never know how those work. I'd be a terrible witch.

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32 minutes ago, Castiels Cat said:

If archangel grace is needed that could be a scenario in which Dean  makes a deal with Michael.  Something along the lines of you give me grace and I am yours.

No way in Hell this show will ever have Dean be Michael. This Dean fan will never get that lucky. So it will have to for some other aspect of the spell, presuming that you are correct

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2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

No way in Hell this show will ever have Dean be Michael. This Dean fan will never get that lucky. So it will have to for some other aspect of the spell, presuming that you are correct

It is a spell.  They have performed other spells or rituals off of the tablets and they all require special ingredients such as bones, blood or grace.

It made perfect sense  for Dean to refuse Michael previously. Saying yes to an archangel and losing all control of your body s really the antithesis of free will.  And saying yes to an archangel that planned to use your body to kill his brother and yours is the antithesis of Dean.

It is a very different situation now and in my opinion they have set Dean up to do anything to save Mary.

I guess I will have to high five myself when it happens.

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