RadioGirl27 September 30, 2014 Share September 30, 2014 (edited) Emma avoiding Hook because she realized her magic hurt someone in the past doesn't work with the way this episode played out. She was avoiding Hook at the beginning, but Hook had to remind her that she had magic later in the episode, so it seems to me that the avoidance issue now is something other than being afraid of hurting him by accident with magic.Yeah, I was sure her avoiding him had something to do with her magic, because it made sense with the Frozen theme. But now I don't know and, really, I just don't care anymore. It's just a new trauma throw at Emma to put more angst between her and Hook, instead of using one of the thousand traumas both of them already have. ETA - I think whatever is going on with Emma isn't really all that complicated and has to do with her past relationships more than anything. I mean David had to remind her that she had magic. I think given the past 3 years, she has reason to be a bit freaked out at the perspective of a relationship or generally worried about it. Graham dies in her arms. Neal comes back in her life, leaves, she thinks he died, he comes back again, then really dies. They had a relationship even if they were never going there again, I mean seeing someone die in your arms (second time) is just too much. Then you have the flying monkey. Then Zelena has Rumple try to drown Hook where Emma is worried that he might be gone. Hook is all about how he'll never leave her and he goes as far as to make the ultimate sacrifice that basically proves his point that he'll find her and not leave her, he follows her through a time portal. If this were me, I'm not even sure I would have been able to sleep at all after all of that. If it was this, I wouldn't mind. But Morrison said it was something new that had surprised her. So being worried about her past relationship doesn't seem something new or unexpected. Edited September 30, 2014 by RadioGirl27 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-423841
YaddaYadda September 30, 2014 Share September 30, 2014 If it was this, I wouldn't mind. But Morrison said it was something new that had surprised her. So being worried about her past relationship doesn't seem something new or unexpected. I'm an optimist (no really, I am, don't let my posts fool you!) the Emma-centric (Emma-Regina centric whatever it's supposed to be) is set after 403, so I'm cautiously optimistic that whatever has her asking Hook to be patient has nothing to do with her magic. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-423869
sharky September 30, 2014 Share September 30, 2014 It will be very interesting to see how the green screen plays into what happens with Hook's hand. I wonder if he makes a deal with Rumple in order to help Emma, which may also be why in the most recent Steveston shoot, Hook has his hook back and Gold apparently seems very bored with the whole thing. As for Emma avoiding Hook, I am wondering about that. There is something she is hiding from him. But does she care more about giving Regina a happy ending than Hook? There has to be something more personal there that she worries could hurt him because of her love for him vs. her frienemy thing with Regina. Because seriously, I can't explain that stupidity otherwise. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-423954
MaiLuna September 30, 2014 Share September 30, 2014 Emma may also be feeling a bit guilty that Hook gave up his ship for her. JMo said that Emma wouldn't forget about that. I think the Regina incident didn't only give her guilt, she got scared because she saw once again how quickly a relationship can end. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-423958
sharky September 30, 2014 Share September 30, 2014 I think the Regina incident didn't only give her guilt, she got scared because she saw once again how quickly a relationship can end. Hmm...that's interesting. For a girl who constantly has her walls up because of those who have abandoned a relationship with her, perhaps Emma may feel the need to give Regina her happy ending so she can believe in her own happy ending. I mean really, if Regina can be happy with Robin after all this, surely Emma can make a life with Hook, right? 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424083
yeswedo September 30, 2014 Share September 30, 2014 Reminder that this topic is for spoilers and discussion of spoilers only. If you're talking about something that already happened and not referencing a spoiler please take that to another topic. Thanks! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424171
Anakerie October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Is it really too much to ask for that the house is actually owned by a human version of Scar? (Played of course by Jeremy Irons). Just because I can imagine the look on his face when he walks into his bedroom and sees those two going at it on his bed. Scar: Oh dear, and I just laundered those sheets! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424520
Rumsy4 October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Apparently there was a new trailer for episode 2, and Hook was talking to Emma via a walkie-talkie as she was freezing. This ought to be good. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424680
angelwoody October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I find it hilarious that Belle is portrayed as Rumpel's moral compass and yet, she has no problem with breaking & entering, trespassing or squatting. It was her idea! 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424724
Crimson Belle October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Apparently there was a new trailer for episode 2, and Hook was talking to Emma via a walkie-talkie as she was freezing. This ought to be good. Where? I must see this right now. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424745
pezgirl7 October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 (edited) Me too! My dvr recorded Agents of Shield, in which it apparently aired, and I fast forwarded through it, but only saw one for OUAT. No Hook, but Emma said 'Cool' to Elsa and her ice wall, and Anna was sword fighting with Charming. Edited October 1, 2014 by pezgirl7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424762
YaddaYadda October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I find it hilarious that Belle is portrayed as Rumpel's moral compass and yet, she has no problem with breaking & entering, trespassing or squatting. It was her idea! Breaking into someone's house, sleeping into someone's bed (we know what was implied there). Maybe it's the 3 bears house! And Hook with walkies? I'm totally laughing just thinking about it. I'm thinking that might be my highlight for Sunday if anything. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424763
Rumsy4 October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I'm thinking that might be my highlight for Sunday if anything. Nothing may top David's bad wig and warlord Bo Peep, but I'm willing to be surprised. Apparently, the other trailer only aired in Canada, but no one's posted a link. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424766
Dani-Ellie October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Come on, Canadians, upload that sucker! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424786
retrograde October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Here is the promo. Nothing very exciting really. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424807
KingOfHearts October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Here is the promo. Nothing very exciting really. What's different between that and the American one? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424856
Guest October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Its kind of funny that the show is still bothering to find a way to cut off Storybrooke from the rest of the world with every new story arc. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424877
Souris October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 What's different between that and the American one? Nothing much, except it seems to be a looser crop so you can see Hook holding a walkie talkie as he says, "She's freezing to death!" The significance is that there's a walkie talkie by Emma in one of the BTS promos pics. So they're probably talking as Emma is trapped with Elsa. (I imagine Elsa will be, "WTF? Why is there a voice coming from that magic box??") 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-424885
Mathius October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 (edited) Its kind of funny that the show is still bothering to find a way to cut off Storybrooke from the rest of the world with every new story arc. Seriously. It made sense in the first two and a half seasons (the curse in S1, the amnesia aftereffect of Magic in S2, and Pan's lurking agents in 3A) but when you hit "flying monkeys swooping in and grabbing people" and "a random ice witch comes to town and creates an ice blockade", you're just getting contrived. Edited October 1, 2014 by Mathius 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-425180
stealinghome October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I also don't understand why the show thinks it's necessary. Just say that no one wants to move away from Storybrooke. I'd believe it, actually, despite all the magic and massive snowmen and whatnot flying around. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-425317
kili October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 (edited) Today, they are going to be shooting on the 300 block of Granville Street in Vancouver (between W. Hastings and Cordova). It's supposed to be a night shoot. It's a little hard to read, but the filming appears to be occurring around the heritage buildings in the area. The 300 block is the Sinclair Center which is a shopping mall/office building constructed out of a group of old government buildings (post office, customs house, etc) that was built around 1910.They also mention the Birks building (698 W Hastings) which is an old bank building from the same period. Think towering buildings with lots of granite. These certainly aren't the kind of buildings one would see in Storybrooke, so it looks like it is either for a Flashback or a road trip to Boston or New York. Edited October 1, 2014 by kili 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-425562
Serena October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I could be wrong, but they usually shoot flashbacks first, then Storybrooke, right? So I would say, either it's flashbacks for 408, or the last days of SB for 407. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-425597
RadioGirl27 October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 (edited) I was thinking that it could be a flashback to young Emma running away from home to parallel it with Emma running away now because she can control her powers. Or, maybe Emma goes back to New York thinking that there, all alone, she can control her powers better. Edited October 1, 2014 by RadioGirl27 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-425605
Serena October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I was thinking that it could be a flashback to young Emma running away from home to parallel it with Emma running away now because she can control her powers. Or, maybe Emma goes back to New York thinking that there, all alone, she can control her powers better. I think in 407 we will be getting the (I'm sure to be riveting) Snow Queen flashbacks. Unless Emma running away in the present is kind of a cliffhanger, and continues in 408, where we'll have Emma flashbacks? 408 is "Smash the Mirror", while the confirmed Emma flashbacks we have in 405 is "Breaking Glass"... a glass theme? Unfortunately I don't think Adam and Eddy will be giving us two Emma flashbacks so close to each other. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-425628
RadioGirl27 October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 (edited) Unfortunately I don't think Adam and Eddy will be giving us two Emma flashbacks so close to each other.Yeah, me neither. It's more wishful thinking than other thing. There are other options. Maybe the Snow Queen has been living in our world all this time. Edited October 1, 2014 by RadioGirl27 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-425674
retrograde October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 (edited) Sneak peek http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/once-upon-time-episode-402-white-out.html?m=1 Edited October 1, 2014 by retrograde Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426306
KingOfHearts October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Sneak peek http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/10/once-upon-time-episode-402-white-out.html?m=1 I love how everyone just walks by her like it's just another night in Storybrooke. Its weird she's terrorizing a random town, like she hasn't thought to talk to anyone. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426362
Serena October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I feel sorry for Georgina. They have Elsa talking to herself like a crazy person for exposition. That must not be easy to pull off, and she's doing as well as can be expected. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426414
Joenigma October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I feel sorry for Georgina. They have Elsa talking to herself like a crazy person for exposition. That must not be easy to pull off, and she's doing as well as can be expected It's still in character though, considering her character sang to herself in the movie. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426422
Writing Wrongs October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I can't keep up. Are we back to people not being able to leave town because of the curse? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426486
Serena October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 JMo instagrammed this. Who's this "disneycamera"? Anyway, looks like they're still on 407, but since she's thanking this person, maybe it's the last day and they've finished the ep? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426520
InsertWordHere October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 (edited) Writing Wrongs, they never said. They sidestepped that issue by making people unable to leave town due to the monkeys. We don't know if the memory curse is still in effect. Edited October 1, 2014 by InsertWordHere Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426527
retrograde October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Adam tweeted yesterday that they're filming 408 now. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426555
Mathius October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 It's still in character though, considering her character sang to herself in the movie. Not only that, there was a scene where she was stressed and fearful and did just keep on yammering to herself as the walls of her icy chamber started to glow red due to her emotions. Elsa isn't a well-adjusted person, so Georgina's material is perfectly in line with the character. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426768
KingOfHearts October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Anyway, looks like they're still on 407, but since she's thanking this person, maybe it's the last day and they've finished the ep? I'm intrigued by all the sheriff's station stuff we've seen recently. Gives me hope we might get Sheriff Swan back this season. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426802
NotBothered October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 I'm intrigued by all the sheriff's station stuff we've seen recently. Gives me hope we might get Sheriff Swan back this season. That in combination with Mary Margaret becoming the mayor, I'm hoping we're going to see a little more of regular life in Storybrooke again. The original appeal of the show was storybook characters living in our world and we're way overdue for that. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-426827
Jean October 1, 2014 Share October 1, 2014 Its weird she's terrorizing a random town, like she hasn't thought to talk to anyone. I don't blame her. Who would want to talk to the nutjobs and nutjobs enablers in that town, except for Granny. I'm hoping we're going to see a little more of regular life in Storybrooke again. The original appeal of the show was storybook characters living in our world a I wonder if this is because Disney wanted "Elsa in real world" as a hook. I hope they expand beyond Storybrooke. It'd be interesting to see Elsa, Emma and the Snow Queen beyond that boundary as they'll be the only people that will still be able to do magic. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-427807
InsertWordHere October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 I don't blame her. Who would want to talk to the nutjobs and nutjobs enablers in that town, except for Granny. I wonder if this is because Disney wanted "Elsa in real world" as a hook. I hope they expand beyond Storybrooke. It'd be interesting to see Elsa, Emma and the Snow Queen beyond that boundary as they'll be the only people that will still be able to do magic. Hee! I would love to hear what Granny has to say about every weird happening in Storybrooke. I'm not certain the Snow Queen would be able to do magic outside of Storybrooke. If that snowflake amulet is linked to her powers, that might mean that she, like Rumple, is not inherently magical. Then again, if Elsa is her niece, it does seem to hint that the powers are hereditary. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-427879
angelwoody October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 Hee! I would love to hear what Granny has to say about every weird happening in Storybrooke. I'm not certain the Snow Queen would be able to do magic outside of Storybrooke. If that snowflake amulet is linked to her powers, that might mean that she, like Rumple, is not inherently magical. Then again, if Elsa is her niece, it does seem to hint that the powers are hereditary. I would LOVE to get Granny's take on everything! She's so fabulously no nonsense! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-427885
Jean October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 I don't want more Granny on the show itself just because they'll ruin her too but they should do a weekly Granny monologue like those occasional Storybrooke news clips they do. Just attach it to the end of the episodes while the credits are rolling. Some shows do that with bloopers or a silly clip. Elsa is her niece, it does seem to hint that the powers are hereditary. That was my assumption. I think Elsa's parents were going to see her when they died. And I still think she's tied to Emma's past. Maybe she's the "someone" Emma's magic hurt because I don't see A&E doing "Emma randomly hurts Joe Blow just to showcase Emma's past" story. It has to be connected to something else. Maybe the Snow Queen is also the Kai and Emma breaking the mirror cursed her/caused her to be evil. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-427943
kili October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 Maybe the Snow Queen is also the Kai and Emma breaking the mirror cursed her/caused her to be evil. Those Charmings...they make evil wherever they go... 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-427972
KingOfHearts October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 Those Charmings...they make evil wherever they go... Where angels go, trouble follows. I hope the Snow Queen is linked to Emma's past somehow. We need more Land Without Magic interaction. Inquiring minds would like to know if she and Elsa are inherently magical. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428064
retrograde October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 Part of the set they're going to be filming tonight (now-ish? I think it is supposed to start 7 pm west coast time). Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428270
kili October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 Part of the set they're going to be filming tonight Is that supposed to be a FairyTale Tardis? Or is it another Glinda door? Why would you put that in the middle of city? Curiouser and curiouser 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428294
KingOfHearts October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 (edited) That door looks very Arendelle-ish. Why would you put that in the middle of city? Curiouser and curiouser I looked up the address on Google Maps. It's smack dab in the middle of downtown Vancouver. Edited October 2, 2014 by KingOfHearts 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428298
InsertWordHere October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 Hmm, so we're going to a city? I wonder if Emma really does flee to NYC or Boston or if this is a flashback of some sort having to do with the book's author. Does anyone know which actors are filming tonight? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428318
kili October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 (edited) It's smack dab in the middle of downtown Vancouver. Yes, it's in an area with a bunch of heritage buildings (which for Vancouver is 100 year old buildings). Think stone edifices. 1910 era construction. Imposing granite. Not very fairytailish. Might pass for old London or one of the big North Eastern cities. Or is it another Glinda door? I think that is Glinda's door with a different set dressing. Not sure if it is intended to be the door, but they've totally recycled it. Edited October 2, 2014 by kili Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428324
KingOfHearts October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 This might not be relevant, but in Once: Wonderland there was a freestanding portal door just like Glinda's. Actually, two - there was a riddle to guess which was the portal. Seems like it could be a reoccurring theme in this universe. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428335
Crimson Belle October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 So maybe this involves Will? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428394
KingOfHearts October 2, 2014 Share October 2, 2014 (edited) So maybe this involves Will? Kind of doubt it, it had nothing to do with Will in Once: Wonderland. It was to get to the Well of Wonders, a place with healing water. Will never used it. Edited October 2, 2014 by KingOfHearts Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/1910-spoiler-discussion-the-apple-was-poisoned/page/75/#findComment-428415
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