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Fun fun fun!! Thank-you Jennifer for keeping us all banging our collective heads against our monitors (grin)

Hook's hung up his hook, eh?...and he is no stranger to the inside of a jail cell. One burning question remains...

who will be serving the baloney sandwiches???

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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Honestly it is not clear who was filmed with who yesterday all the main cast was there first but the fans could'nt find out.

Emilie and Georgina came to see the fans. But no Colin or Jennifer so it really possible that they filmed together after they left and the tweet from Jennifer follow at the same time by Colin show a really strong possibility they were  still  filming together  at this time.  What else   

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Anakerie

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Fun fun fun!! Thank-you Jennifer for keeping us all banging our collective heads against our monitors (grin)

Hook's hung up his hook, eh?...and he is no stranger to the inside of a jail cell. One burning question remains...

who will be serving the baloney sandwiches???

Adam and Eddy. They've been serving us baloney for years now.

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kili

kili

The "Game of Thorns" truck has been repainted and is now the "Any Given Sundae" truck

 

I guess Rumple didn't want to leave it rusting out  in front of his house after he repossessed it from Mo. Rumple is always one to make a new deal.

 

I wrote a fanfic where she throws Hook in jail and I now see a huge error because I locked him up with the hook. Dude could just use it to pick the lock. D'oh!

 

Dude can pick a lock with nothing but a bowl of jell-o,  no hook and his one hand hand-cuffed to a bed.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

If the jail cell picture is from a real scene, remove the guy who looks like he's probably a crew member, and I have to say that there's something very evocative about the lighting and the body language -- very forlorn, small and alone (though the "small" may just be in contrast to the crew guy). If I let my imagination run wild, I could imagine that to be a guy who's hit bottom and doesn't see a good way out.

 

Or it could just be a late night of filming and he's dead tired.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

Here's Lana's interview with afterellen: http://www.afterellen.com/once-upon-a-time-star-lana-parrilla-talks-swanqueen-fanart-and-what-regina-and-emma-will-be-up-to-in-season-4/09/2014/?xrs=synd_twitter_Name+of+Brand

Some highlights: It looks like Regina's arc in 4A will be heavy on the OQ angst.

"I think Regina feels massively betrayed by Emma and that will have its repercussions throughout the season. Emma will feel a distance, a hatred, and an anger directed towards her from Regina."

"And where Emma fits in with that is she kind of created this huge problem, right? She traveled back in time and she brought some things back and some characters back with her that she wasn’t anticipating, so she’s really focused on how to resolve that problem. And Regina’s pretty caught up with the whole Robin Hood/Marian storyline. I think that this is something that she was not expecting; she finally found her happiness and now it’s been ripped away from her, so she’s really dealing with that in the first part of the season, and dealing with the broken heart and the repercussions of having Robin Hood’s dead wife come back [laughs] and what that means for their relationship, and really how are Emma and Regina going to continue being civil in each other’s lives now that Marian is back? So that’s really the main focus for Regina’s arc in the first part of the season."

I am so looking forward to this! (NOT)

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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Since when is Robin her "happiness"? Is she forgetting about all her other free stuff? Like Henry, "herohood", and people who care for her? She didn't lose any of that, but one week-long boyfriend and it all comes crashing down. I don't see the need for Regina to hate Emma again.

 

Can't they do something else with Regina besides lame angst? Her character desperately needs new territory.

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kili

kili

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I think Regina feels massively betrayed by Emma and that will have its repercussions throughout the season. Emma will feel a distance, a hatred, and an anger directed towards her from Regina."

 

So, pretty much situation normal. In show timeline, except for a few weeks, Regina has always directed hatred and anger towards Emma.

 

On what planet was Regina betrayed by Emma? Emma was whisked through a portal she had nothing to do with creating and tried to do her best to perserve the timeline without losing her moral compass. She saved a random person from death. I could see if Emma cooked up a spell to time travel to specifically retrieve Regina's boyfriend-of-two-days dead wife just to mess with Regina, she could feel betrayed. But given what happened? No.

 

There is something seriously wrong with the Mill's women's world view. I can see Regina being disappointed about losing her boyfriend-of-two-days, but betrayed? Get out of town.

 

how are Emma and Regina going to continue being civil in each other’s lives now that Marian is back?

 

How about in the same way as Emma is to Regina after Regina murdered Emma's boyfriend-of-two-days on purpose?

 

Try being civil because you share a kid and Emma didn't do anything wrong.

 

On what planet does Regina burn Emma's mother at the stake and Emma accidently saves the life of Regina's boyfriend-of-two-days wife and Emma is the one that is the bad guy? Planet Once, I guess.

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Rumsy4

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On what planet does Regina burn Emma's mother at the stake and Emma accidently saves the life of Regina's boyfriend-of-two-days wife and Emma is the one that is the bad guy? Planet Once, I guess.

And I can bet my last dollar that's how the narrative will portray it too--this is not just Regina's perspective. Until Regina realizes that the problem lies with herself, she will never be happy. But according to her, AND the writers--it's always someone else's fault.

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Crimson Belle

Crimson Belle

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From the interview:

 

 

There’s also been tension between them throughout the years and they’re fighting and at each other’s throats, but not ever really physically hurting one another, and so there’s that tension that I think that can be perceived as very sexual by a lot of our audience, especially our SwanQueens.

 

I'll have whatever drugs Lana is having. 

 

 

However, these two women have gotten very close, obviously, because they share a son. And really, at the end of the day, they are family. So I can’t see either one of them physically hurting one another or ever leading to death or wanting to kill one another, because at the end of the day they are family, and they will have familial conflict and arguments and such, but I think they’ll find a way to resolve.

  The hell?

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Jean

Jean

Lana is as delusional as the writers I see. Look I know you have to look at it from your character's POV to play it but contrast that with Robert. He has never shied away from saying Rumple is wrong, Rumple screwed up, Rumple does evil things etc.

 

The fact is Woegina is a sucky character that can't stand on her own and so the writers have to throw the entire show under a freight train to prop her whiny boring ass. I really really hope Emma shares all of 1 minute of screentime with her the entire season. Can't they just be content with completely destroying Snow's character on Woegina's behalf?

 

Good thing she seems to be minimally involved with Elsa and the Snow Queen. I'm about to become those 2 biggest fans if they hog up all the screentime and spare me from more Woegina whining and crying.

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Serena

Serena

You know what, I've always said OUAT didn't do any queerbaiting, but yep, Lana's doing it. That interview is ridiculous. I know she's aware she has a lot of queer fans and she's trying to make them happy, but she's litererally talking garbage. Like, didn't Regina try to kill Emma the day she was born? And then with the poisoned apple? And then in the midseason S2 finale before Henry convinced her not to do it? And then with the "destroy everything in Storybrooke" diamond before it was taken from her? And also was responsible for her whole miserable childhood away from her family?

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Jean

Jean

 

Her character desperately needs new territory.

 

That new territory is dead or offscreen permanently. Her character and the ridiculous propping and Mary Sue-ness is what killed this show. They're riding on the coattails of Frozen and Elsa to give it a lifeline. I have never seen this amount of fanfiction propping anywhere before. Ever. Seriously I dare anyone to come up with a more propped up character in the history of tv. Lana Lang doesn't even begin to approach Woegina's territory.

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Serena

Serena

That new territory is dead or offscreen permanently. Her character and the ridiculous propping and Mary Sue-ness is what killed this show. They're riding on the coattails of Frozen and Elsa to give it a lifeline. I have never seen this amount of fanfiction propping anywhere before. Ever. Seriously I dare anyone to come up with a more propped up character in the history of tv. Lana Lang doesn't even begin to approach Woegina's territory.

Preach it. I don't remember the Smallville writers vilifying Lois to prop up Lana...

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stealinghome

stealinghome

Yeah, I mean, the real problem here is the writers' complete inability to let their characters actually grow and change (read: come up with new directions for their characters to go in, instead of rehashing the same character beats 3846430654 times).

 

If Lana's comments are accurate and that's how 4A goes down, though, they've completely killed the 10% of character coherency that Regina was clinging to. They will have officially buried Regina six feet under.

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l star

l star

Lana Didn't say Regina was betrayed by Emma- she said she felt betrayed. Those are totally different things. I am not surprised in the least that Regina would feel betrayed. She is not exactly known for being rational. As for fault, this mess is going to be Emma's doing. That does NOT mean she did the wrong thing, just that what she chose to do caused a mess.

As little interest as I have in outlaw queen, at least Lana seems to be saying that Regina is not going to completely revert. You can't really evolve past the kind of bat shit crazy that Regina is, but hopefully she will still hold on to some of the perspective that she gained last season. I like my Regina ridiculous, but not so much stupid.

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Selina K

Selina K

I thought this item in Lana's  Afterellen interview was interesting: 

 

 

Elsa isn’t who we think she is. And I think that’s the biggest teaser I can give you.

 

What does she mean?  That Elsa is not the Snow Queen because Elizabeth Mitchell is?  Or something else?

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maryle

maryle

The main problem with Regina is the fact that they rushed her redemption arc. She should have remained sorta the EQ until season tree and with the save Henry arc begin to change and organically Fallen for RH in the missing year in 3b.

Now it will be just the the soapy trope and the question of will she or not revert back to EQ. She already have complete her story arc because of this bad writing.

Adding that they already brought her witch mother and wicked sister. So she cannot save the town again or have the big personnal connection.

The writers love for Regina killed the most interesting part of her.

Sad but truth.

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RadioGirl27

RadioGirl27

New spoiler from TVLine:

 

Just two more weeks until Once Upon a Time! Anything to tide us over? –Jo
Did you see how cocreator Adam Horowitz tweeted the title for Episode 7? Well, take that and add in the fact that for that episode they’re guest-casting the “strong, intelligent and beautiful” middle sister of three, a blue-eyed blonde in her late 20s/early 30s who “always puts her sisters first.” Oh, and the three of ‘em are off to a fancy ball….

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Serena

Serena

Does this have to do with Cinderella? Are they casting the other step-sister?

I think more likely with the Snow Queen (the episode is called, after all, "The Snow Queen", and it's doubtful they'd have a Cinderella flashback in that one). I'm guessing the three sisters are gonna be the Snow Queen's sisters (parallel to Elsa), and since they're only casting one, it stands to reason the other one is someone we already know. Eva?

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Curio

Curio

It'd be nice if they were talking about Cinderella and her step-sisters, since that'd be a good way to introduce the Once crowd to Ana. But yeah, it'll probably be something Snow Queen related.

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kili

kili

Does this have to do with Cinderella? Are they casting the other step-sister?

 

But we already have our Cinderella and are we to believe that the other step-sister put Cinderella first? If so, why did Cinderella have to make a deal with Rumple just to get to the ball?

 

Maybe they are the Bear sisters?

 

I just hope they aren't ret-conning the Cinderella story. Ruin some new stories, not the ones you've already covered (because that ruins those episodes too).

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RadioGirl27

RadioGirl27

I think more likely with the Snow Queen (the episode is called, after all, "The Snow Queen", and it's doubtful they'd have a Cinderella flashback in that one). I'm guessing the three sisters are gonna be the Snow Queen's sisters (parallel to Elsa), and since they're only casting one, it stands to reason the other one is someone we already know. Eva?

I was thinking the same, but my option for the third sister is Elsa's mother.

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kili

kili

Given the sister they're casting is blond haired and blue eyed, could that be Elsa's mum, making the Snow Queen her aunt?

 

They've been pretty true to the casting of the characters from Frozen. Her mother has brown hair. It is her dad that is blond.

 

Maybe they are just casting a young Snow Queen?

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KingOfHearts

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Unless the the middle sister is a younger version of the Snow Queen, making her Ashley's stepsister and Anastasia's sister. I imagine that because of the emphasis on three sisters going to a ball. The flashback might be when all three of them were younger.

 

But we already have our Cinderella and are we to believe that the other step-sister put Cinderella first?

I don't think it was ever stated on Once that Cinderella didn't have any kind of good relationship with her stepsisters in EF.

 

I don't see them having the Snow Queen played by anyone but Mitchell for her big flashback...

I don't know, Cora was played by another actress for hers.

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Serena

Serena

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I was thinking the same, but my option for the third sister is Elsa's mother.

That makes more sense. So the mother was probably going to find her sister, who also had ice powers, when she shipwrecked.

 

They've been pretty true to the casting of the characters from Frozen. Her mother has brown hair. It is her dad that is blond.

 

Maybe they are just casting a young Snow Queen?

The mother has most likely already been cast ("Regal Woman", who dies in the shipwreck at the beginning of 401, played by Pascale Hutton. If the sisters are three, aka the Snow Queen, Elsa's Mother, and this third one, they would need to cast just the middle one.

 

I don't see them having the Snow Queen played by anyone but Mitchell for her big flashback...

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kili

kili

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Anybody know what's there?

 

It's a wooded area with possibly a really great view of Burrard Inlet, the mountains and the city (the restaurant has the view so I'm sure you get that from a few other vantage points around there if you aren't too low to see over the trees or can't see through them). Burnaby Mountain also hosts Simon Fraser University which has a futuristic building that is used in a lot of movies, but they probably would have said SFU if they were filming in that point.

 

Maybe a couple is going on a really nice date to the restaurant.

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sharky

sharky

OK, feel free to totally dismiss this, but could Will actually be in Storybrooke to find Ana? Perhaps Hook catches him trying to break into the library because he's trying to get down to the mental patient wing to see if Ana is down there. It would put her in Storybrooke -- but not outside, which is why we haven't seen her. Plus, it would explain why Will perhaps is desperate for help and breaks up the Captain Swan date, which of course explains why Hook punches him. And also down that elevator is Maleficent, which would tie into season 4B.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

Actually, Adam, we would like to see domestic scenes with these characters. Too bad you and Eddy hate writing character moments, but love "drama" instead.

 

I loved Haig's enthusiasm for the part--she seems like a total sweetheart. Can't wait to see what she brings to the Show! Just keeping my fingers crossed the writers don't end up messing up her character, and that the Disney bosses are keeping a close watch. 

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KingOfHearts

KingOfHearts

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Some points of interest from the article:

 

* The Enchanted Forest and Arendelle are indeed in the same realm.

* Anna goes on a quest from Arendelle to the Enchanted Forest, where she meets Rumple.

* Olaf is getting a shout-out.

* Snow monster terrorizing Storybrooke confirmed.

 

I find Anna going to Rumple somewhat intriguing.

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Stuffy

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The thing is you can still have big moments in the quiet stuff. You can take the Hook getting upset about popcorn and use it as a progressive moment in their relationship. We know he loves her, and she cares for him. It could be a moment where she lets him know the hook doesn't keep her from loving him. That would be progress for both her and their relationship.

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retrograde

retrograde

* Anna goes on a quest from Arendelle to the Enchanted Forest, where she meets Rumple.

Is it possible the urning of Elsa is a simple as Anna inadvertently spilling that she has this sister with super snow-making powers, and Rumple just goes, "Yeah, I'm not taking a risk on that; we have enough batshit magical queens around here already, thankyouverymuch"?

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Jean

Jean

The 3 sisters thing makes me positive that she's Elsa's aunt. They really have to do the family thing don't they? As for the middle sister? Can it be a young Maleficent? Did Once's Maleficent have blonde hair? I thought so but I could just be thinking of KBvS.

 

Or is the Snow Queen and her 2 sisters the 3 spinsters that "raised" Rumple in disguise? Or maybe they just disguised themselves for that bean moment.

 

As for the ball they're going to, any chance young Eva wasn't also at the ball and stepped on the young innocent Snow Queen's toes and thus made her evil?

 

I'm hoping they don't play it like bumbling but good meaning Anna screwed up again, which is how Elsa ended up in the urn. But that's close enough to the movie I guess.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

The casting for the middle sister is intriguing. It could go either way. This could be a flashback to the Cinderella story to tie in with Will and Ana meeting. Or they could go with EM's Snow Queen, Elsa's mom (and maybe Eva) being three sisters. They already have an actress who plays young Eva, and casting Elsa's mom would be big news. So, maybe they're casting someone to play a younger version of EM's character. 

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Rumsy4

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From the article, it seems like Anna is prioritizing Elsa over Kristoff, and perhaps, taking him for granted. I guess they'll tie this in with Emma avoiding Hook and trying to placate Woegina instead? Gag.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

Actually, Adam, we would like to see domestic scenes with these characters. Too bad you and Eddy hate writing character moments, but love "drama" instead.

 

No kidding.  I'm all for drama, but lighter moments in between are needed to balance out the show.  Considering everything, Hook is the only person that we know of that hasn't been pulled in with the original curse.  Guy is a fish out of water and now we have Elsa whom they have frightened by a motorcycle (and rightfully so).  Can we have a scene with them about this?

 

Is it possible the urning of Elsa is a simple as Anna inadvertently spilling that she has this sister with super snow-making powers, and Rumple just goes, "Yeah, I'm not taking a risk on that; we have enough batshit magical queens around here already, thankyouverymuch"?

I wonder if Rumple isn't always worried that there might be someone, a powerful witch or sorcerer who will come along and target him, try to take his dagger.  Cora tried, came very close to succeeding.  That's sort of been left up in the air, hasn't it?  Was Cora the only one who tried or were there others?  Cora much like Regina is his creation and he knows them pretty well.  He went in his own way after Maleficent.  He knew what these women were capable of.  Then he learns of Elsa and decides he's better off if she's locked up somewhere safe where no one can find her.

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NotBothered

NotBothered

I absolutely hate that Arendelle is in the same realm as the Enchanted Forest.  It seems completely unlikely that all of these royal families do not know one another and these majorly magical beings don't seem to be on each other's radar.  How could Rumple, who has been around for ages and has seer abilities, not know that there is a powerful royal family with hereditary ice powers just over the ocean?    Maybe if we took a trip to the Enchanted Forest that didn't make it seem like everyone's castle was just a short carriage ride from everyone else's castle it would be okay.  But it drives me crazy when Hook suddenly remembers everything about Midas, and oh hey here's a princess trapped in a tower that no one has heard about, but wait, her parents are now randomly hanging out with pregnant Snow when she's tracked down.  And of course they fit in a small town in Maine.  

 

Adam and Eddy seem to forget that the drama starts to loose potency when we don't get anything to contrast it with.  Drama is not very dramatic when it's your baseline.  We need to remember why we actually care about these characters and why these events have meaning to them.  It's hard to do that when we're dialed up to 11 all the time.

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