Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Vader12]

3 hours ago, KAOS Agent said:

Everyone is dressed to the nines during the final battle except Emma. David is smoking in his tux (and I'm really shallow about this, so I think this needs more focus). If there isn't a wedding going on that was interrupted and everyone sent elsewhere, why the hell else are these people all dressed up? These are the idiots who have Granny's as their go to celebration destination.

Henry wasn't dressed up either just to let you know. Or was he?

1 minute ago, sharky said:

I think we already had some idea that they were going to use the cave set after discussion from people who went on the VanCon set tour that they were working on that set so that's some interesting confirmation. What the hell is going on there?

I didn't see any to be honest. But I suppose they were included too.

[KAOS Agent]

Henry didn't go to the Enchanted Forest. He's been in Storybrooke with Emma. This isn't complicated. Enchanted Forest people were sent away during/after the wedding and returned just in time to see Emma battle Gideon. Just as Emma returned from the Wish Realm wearing the clothing she was wearing when she left, the others return to what they were wearing. Photos with fans show that it looks like Hook was dressed in all black with a black bow tie.

Edited April 2, 2017 by KAOS Agent

[Vader12]

18 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

Henry didn't go to the Enchanted Forest. He's been in Storybrooke with Emma. This isn't complicated. Enchanted Forest people were sent away during/after the wedding and returned just in time to see Emma battle Gideon. Just as Emma returned from the Wish Realm wearing the clothing she was wearing when she left, the others return to what they were wearing. Photos with fans show that it looks like Hook was dressed in all black with a black bow tie.

I never said Henry went to the Enchanted Forest nor dressed in Fairy Tale clothing. I was asking something else on that. But I guess it is nothing.

And I am not sure if he and Emma were actually in Storybrooke (not the real one anyway). Why? Cause of the Black Fairy appearing to be mayor of the town, Rumple and Gideon sharing the shop as a family business like thing for example. And everyone in town looked like everything is normal like it was another world created by the Black Fairy or something. And Henry was seen carrying a sword which Emma seems to use in the battle. And in the scene with Henry wearing that sling on his arm, it might be after the battle, cause that scene with him wearing that thing around his neck when carried to the ambulance looks like maybe it was before the Battle begins, while everyone in the Enchanted Forest is probably trying to find a way back with the help of Aladdin and Jasmine.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Vader12

[Souris]

1 hour ago, sharky said:

I think we already had some idea that they were going to use the cave set after discussion from people who went on the VanCon set tour that they were working on that set so that's some interesting confirmation. What the hell is going on there?

I wonder if it was for the dwarves' number from the musical ep? Adam said they were filming scenes from the musical ep during the finale eps too. That would be an easy pickup that doesn't involve main actors for a second unit.

[KAOS Agent]

I've decided it's not a wedding that everyone was dressed up for. Snow decided that they needed to have the Storybrooke Prom but Emma wasn't invited because she's the Dark One again and what's a better way to help Emma than to throw a party. Then Emma gets in a fight in the middle of the street and oops maybe they should have invited Emma because now she's dead and only Henry can save her because he stayed home from the prom with her in solidarity which demonstrates his True Love. It all makes sense now. Please do try to come up with a plausible scenario for everyone to be in black tie that isn't a wedding. It's ridiculous.

Basically, I think the finale is the Black Fairy casting a new curse and does a reverse of Regina's curse in that she sends the people she doesn't want to be there away. Maybe she brings the people from the Dark Realm there? And Hopeful!Girl and Cynical!Guy are the Emma/Henry from that realm. Emma and Henry have to stay in Storybrooke because reasons. The Black Fairy tries to "accidentally" kill Henry and with a new curse, there's no one aware that they can use magic to heal him or there's no magic at all (until there is). Emma & Henry decide that the only way to break the curse is for Emma to be the Saviour and sacrifice herself to Gideon and for Henry to wake her (reversing S1's finale). Gold, Belle, Gideon and the Black Fairy do things which results in Gideon still being a whiny idiot. Possibly Rumpel sacrifices himself and Gideon is de-aged to live happily with Belle and possibly Rumpel. Meanwhile, things are happening in the Enchanted Forest. 

Edited April 2, 2017 by KAOS Agent

[Kktjones]

I probably sound like a broken record, but I just can't believe that A&E would write a finale that could very well be the final episodes of the SERIES and separate Emma from her parents and new husband for the entire time. It's exactly the same thing as last season's finale and this season's mid-season finale/premiere. There has to be more to this than just the curse that separates them, the reunion and the battle with Gideon, right? The pics above from the girl that spent time on set show everyone wearing different outfits, and I think that has to be from this week (unless she held onto the photos for a week before posting). So maybe the reunion and the Emma/Gideon battle happen earlier in 6x22? I'm probably grasping at straws, but I'm just desperately hoping this isn't a complete repeat that has the group separated for the entire finale and that the FINAL BATTLE isn't just another 2 minute sword fight btw. Emma & Gideon.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Kktjones

[sharky]

On mobile so someone else will have to link or post in spoiler only thread, but Adam just tweeted a picture of him and Colin at the season wrap party with an asterisk noting there are still a few more days of shooting. And Colin posted on his Twitter that he was going to a Canucks game next week. Didn't we originally expect them to be done by now? And how much more do they have to shoot considering how much they got done in Steveston this week?

[Vader12]

8 minutes ago, sharky said:

On mobile so someone else will have to link or post in spoiler only thread, but Adam just tweeted a picture of him and Colin at the season wrap party with an asterisk noting there are still a few more days of shooting. And Colin posted on his Twitter that he was going to a Canucks game next week. Didn't we originally expect them to be done by now? And how much more do they have to shoot considering how much they got done in Steveston this week?

Maybe some of the leftover shooting might be for inside filming. And recently, there was a studio door saying no visitors and no photographers. Does anyone have a link of the photo? And if I didn't know better, this looks similar to whatever happened behind the doors showing how Neal and Robin dies. Don't know it, but that might be where a regular or two might die off if that's the case.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Vader12

[RadioGirl27]

5 hours ago, sharky said:

On mobile so someone else will have to link or post in spoiler only thread, but Adam just tweeted a picture of him and Colin at the season wrap party with an asterisk noting there are still a few more days of shooting. And Colin posted on his Twitter that he was going to a Canucks game next week. Didn't we originally expect them to be done by now? And how much more do they have to shoot considering how much they got done in Steveston this week?

They are probably just shooting some scenes they couldn't do because of Colin's accident. 

[Mathius]

10 hours ago, Vader12 said:

All mains dressed in modern attire in the caves. Belle also has her wedding ring on, so it looks like RB is back together by this point.

Robert's double as imp Rumple was in a cave backdrop, so I guess this is where they either change into EF form or out of it.

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Enchanted Forest people were sent away during/after the wedding and returned just in time to see Emma battle Gideon.

But again, Rumple was seen in EF form, and we also know he was with the Black Fairy in Storybrooke.  It's all so very confusing.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Mathius

[Vader12]

1 hour ago, Mathius said:

But again, Rumple was seen in EF form, and we also know he was with the Black Fairy in Storybrooke.  It's all so very confusing.

This is why I think (which I am not sure either) that the Rumple with the Black Fairy might be part of some wish realm alternate world place. Starting with (maybe) the musical. But there is one way to find out. We watch and see how it goes. And if my memory serves me right, Adam said the musical is not what we think.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Vader12

[Serena]

Adam also said the "Regina uses white magic" leaked scene in S3 wasn't what we thought, and it totally was. He always says that each time the fans totally figure out their Shocking Twist.

I still think the "alternative reality/curse" theory is a good one, though, because A&E probably can't resist the parallel of Emma getting cursed at her own wedding just like Snowing.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Serena

[mjgchick]

So what I'm getting is that they are finally making Emma save the day after not doing so for so long.

[KAOS Agent]

It seems to me that if they're rebooting with new Henry/Emma characters, then it makes sense to have a new Dark Curse with people from a different realm. The current cast can defeat the Black Fairy/Gideon/Alien Vampire Bunnies and then help to work through getting these new people happy endings or whatever in S7.

[Souris]

Several of the actors have made rather goodbye-sounding messages, like this one. And there's the fact they packed up props from Steveston when they don't usually. Maybe it's just because they aren't sure of renewal. But I'm starting to wonder if the reboot will take place in the EF and if there will be ANY current cast involved (at least until the ratings really tank and they pimp them out as guest stars).

As far as I've seen, the new characters filmed only in the EF and not with any regulars. (Though I would expect the group would probably run into them while there as a connection.) If anybody knows differently, please link! I saw one picture of Tiger Lily in a very elaborate gown with the little girl.

[Free]

24 minutes ago, Souris said:

Several of the actors have made rather goodbye-sounding messages, like this one. And there's the fact they packed up props from Steveston when they don't usually. Maybe it's just because they aren't sure of renewal. But I'm starting to wonder if the reboot will take place in the EF and if there will be ANY current cast involved (at least until the ratings really tank and they pimp them out as guest stars).

As far as I've seen, the new characters filmed only in the EF and not with any regulars. (Though I would expect the group would probably run into them while there as a connection.) If anybody knows differently, please link! I saw one picture of Tiger Lily in a very elaborate gown with the little girl.

The reboot sounds like it would have massive cuts if it happens, most of the cast gone, many set pieces, etc.

[daxx]

I wonder what is more expensive, green screen or Steveston location shooting. 

[Mathius]

10 hours ago, mjgchick said:

So what I'm getting is that they are finally making Emma save the day after not doing so for so long.

Seriously.  The last time she saved the day was when she united and led everyone to save Henry in the Neverland arc.

(No, I'm not counting the S3 finale, since she also created that mess in the first place.)

[superloislane]

2 hours ago, Mathius said:

Seriously.  The last time she saved the day was when she united and led everyone to save Henry in the Neverland arc.

She took on the darkness at the end of season 4 so it wouldn't go round killing everybody

Edited April 3, 2017 by superloislane
wrong season

[sharky]

4 hours ago, daxx said:

I wonder what is more expensive, green screen or Steveston location shooting. 

Not sure but I guess cutting out one of them would be cheaper than having both.

I'm also starting to wonder about this reset after the episode tonight. There was another mention of the Land of Untold Stories, which makes me think that story isn't totally dead. Could the new characters be untold story people that are hanging around? You could tell that story with new in-house sets and less on location in Steveston. Or perhaps there's an EF element to it as @Souris said. With the extra Hook pirate adventure right now, I could see a reset with Hook -- sometimes with Emma and sometimes without -- acting as a pirate ambassador for the Charming regime as he swashbucklers his way through different realms to unite them. And it would possibly bring back an element of fun that the show seems to only display in fits and spurts lately. 

[Vader12]

7 minutes ago, superloislane said:

She took on the darkness at the end of season 5 so it wouldn't go round killing everybody

Not season 5. It was in s4.

[sharky]

Ha! And I was thinking that was in reference to her killing Killian in s5 to save everyone, which is different from the darkness in s4. For a show about hope, there's a lot of darkness. I guess we should be thankful that it looks like daylight has returned to Neverland next week. Geez. 

[superloislane]

5 minutes ago, sharky said:

And I was thinking that was in reference to her killing Killian in s5 to save everyone,

Oh yeah that too!

[Mathius]

I wish Adam hadn't tweeted about Patrick Fischler returning, because if he hadn't then Isaac's appearance on the next episode promo would have been a real "holy shit!" moment for me.  I enjoyed Isaac in spite of the nonsensical Author concept attached to him, so I look forward to seeing both him and Blackbeard again. I couldn't care less about dumbass Gideon and the Black Fairy.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Mathius

[PixiePaws1]

Im the promo Emma's wearing the jacket in which she was photographed wearing her engagement ring again...so the ring can come home but Killian can't??? Just kidding...he must be back from the 'not CS romantic' adventure. 

[Kktjones]

7 hours ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Emma's wearing the jacket in which she was photographed wearing her engagement ring again

But the photos where we saw her wearing this jacket and the ring were from 6x19, so she must wear the jacket again in that episode. I don't think she & Hook will be reunited until 6x17 :(.

[Mathius]

1 hour ago, Kktjones said:

I don't think she & Hook will be reunited until 6x17 :(.

Me too.  But it just suddenly occurred to me...Ginny said she cried when she read how the sleeping curse on Snowing was broken, and that it "actually had nothing to do with Snow and David"....do you think they'll actually have CS share a TLK, and that's what will break Snowing's curse?  

Because if they're going to do that, they had better damn well make Emma do something to prove her True Love for Hook after the atrocious way she was written in the recent episode.  Something more that just helping Gidiot out with a problem he could have just asked her to help him with nicely.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Mathius

[sharky]

First of all, I'm fully embracing our new Gidiot nickname for that moron. I guess we should be thankful he's been stuck with the idiot ball instead of one of the regulars.

If breaking the curse doesn't have anything to do with Snowing, then I really think this is a Hook thing, that his quest leads him to a cure, and that the cure proves he doesn't just love Emma but also Emma's family. Perhaps it ties into the second proposal while we're at it.

[Vader12]

33 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Me too.  But it just suddenly occurred to me...Ginny said she cried when she read how the sleeping curse on Snowing was broken, and that it "actually had nothing to do with Snow and David"....do you think they'll actually have CS share a TLK, and that's what will break Snowing's curse?  

Because if they're going to do that, they had better damn well make Emma do something to prove her True Love for Hook after the atrocious way she was written in the recent episode.  Something more that just helping Gidiot out with a problem he could have just asked her to help him with nicely.

That's seems pretty illogical. More like Emma would do the TL kiss on her parents only. And for the record, Hook is not a TL for Snowing. And for one thing, he murdered David's father and David already appeared to be very angry with him for that as well as him lying to him about it.

[Mathius]

24 minutes ago, Vader12 said:

That's seems pretty illogical. More like Emma would do the TL kiss on her parents only. And for the record, Hook is not a TL for Snowing. And for one thing, he murdered David's father and David already appeared to be very angry with him for that as well as him lying to him about it.

You don't seem to understand how TLK works.  TLK breaks ANY curse in the area, it doesn't have to be exclusively a curse connected to the people kissing.  Emma kissing Henry - and later Regina kissing Henry - broke the Dark Curse.  Jasmine and Aladdin kissing broke the curse placed on Agrabah. If Emma and Hook shared a TLK in front of Snow and David, it could theoretically break their dual sleeping curse.

Edited April 3, 2017 by Mathius

[Vader12]

14 minutes ago, Mathius said:

You don't seem to understand how TLK works.  TLK breaks ANY curse in the area, it doesn't have to be exclusively a curse connected to the people kissing.  Emma kissing Henry - and later Regina kissing Henry - broke the Dark Curse.  Jasmine and Aladdin kissing broke the curse placed on Agrabah. If Emma and Hook shared a TLK in front of Snow and David, it could theoretically break their dual sleeping curse.

Actually I do know how TLK works. I've been watching them too you know. And here is the thing, TLK didn't work on Rumple and Belle after Belle accidently crossed the line (thanks to Hook) because she doesn't love or remember him. The same for Snowing in Heart of Darkness when it failed on Snow for the first try. And for the record, I am not sure if they are going to do the same thing again like they did with Aladdin and Jasmine. Things like that are a one time thing, just like the heart sharing thing they did not bother to repeat. And those kisses that Emma/Regina made on Henry or Al and Jas made for each other only worked on bigger places, Storybrooke and Agrabah. and not only did it free Agrabah, Jasmine's kiss freed Aladdin (broke his curse). That is why it would make more sense and logical that when kissing the cursed person would not only restore a kingdom or town, but it also frees the cursed victom as Aladdin was as a Genie. And they were all referenced to each other like other references where Henry and Jasmine find both saviors and have them save the day and right before both saviors see their deadly fates.

And since it was spoiled that the actress of Little Emma will return, I had a feeling that the reason why she will appear is because Emma might venture into their sleep world but finds her spirit in child form when trying to save her parents possibly. It would be like how baby Gideon appears as an adult when Belle or Rumple dream walked when either were sleeping?

Edited April 3, 2017 by Vader12

[PixiePaws1]

2 hours ago, Vader12 said:

 

And since it was spoiled that the actress of Little Emma will return, I had a feeling that the reason why she will appear is because Emma might venture into their sleep world but finds her spirit in child form when trying to save her parents possibly. It would be like how baby Gideon appears as an adult when Belle or Rumple dream walked when either were sleeping?

You could be on to something. Even knowing these writers don't understand the concept of an audience who expect continuity, i keep thinking of that glorious scene where Killian reminds Emma she IS MADE of her parents' True Love and can defeat any curse.

[KingOfHearts]

So now I have to ask - Why are Aladdin and Jasmine in the finale? How are they relevant to literally anything any more? I was happy because it seemed like they were finished, but later I remembered they're still in the show somehow.

Edited April 3, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

8 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

So now I have to ask - Why are Aladdin and Jasmine in the finale? How are they relevant to literally anything any more? I was happy because it seemed like they were finished, but later I remembered they're still in the show somehow.

I was wondering this as well when Jasmine's plot was so neatly wrapped up in a bow. There's not much left to tell in their story. The Enchanted Forest crew will probably run into them in their quest to get back to Storybrooke in the finale, but other than that, why bother bringing them back?

I'm also hoping that Blackbeard teaming up with Hook next week will fill in some more plot holes about Hook's 3B adventure that should have been told onscreen but wasn't.

[sharky]

So Adam just tweeted a photo of the caves with a caption that said "Back on set" and dated today. Seems strange considering we thought the season wrapped on Friday and most of the people on the show have left Vancouver. And the only person from the main cast who looked to be in attendance at the wrap party on Friday was Colin. Plus, he tweeted last week that he was going to be at the fan appreciation night for the Canucks on April 8. So why is he still in town while everyone else seems to have left? And what are they still shooting? I was thinking maybe it was pick-ups for Neverland and the cave shots could be from Neal's place, but that episode airs Sunday so it couldn't be that, right? Something is afoot.

[SiobhanJW]

9 minutes ago, sharky said:

So Adam just tweeted a photo of the caves with a caption that said "Back on set" and dated today. Seems strange considering we thought the season wrapped on Friday and most of the people on the show have left Vancouver. And the only person from the main cast who looked to be in attendance at the wrap party on Friday was Colin. Plus, he tweeted last week that he was going to be at the fan appreciation night for the Canucks on April 8. So why is he still in town while everyone else seems to have left? And what are they still shooting? I was thinking maybe it was pick-ups for Neverland and the cave shots could be from Neal's place, but that episode airs Sunday so it couldn't be that, right? Something is afoot.

There were rumors last week that Jen was done filming for the season. She cleared that up on Friday and tweeted that it wasn't the case and she still has work to do for this season. She flew out of town on Saturday morning for some movie she is doing. So I imagine she will be back to film more. 

Edited April 3, 2017 by SiobhanJW

[Kktjones]

I wouldn't read much into Colin being in Vancouver. First of all he actually lives there, and secondly he has personal reasons for staying put and not traveling right now. Katmtan on Tumblr said that today would be Rumple & Belle in one scene and Lana doing a few solo scenes/shots. I don't know about tomorrow or the rest of the week. JMo did indicate she had more work to do, but it could just be voice work or other minor stuff that could be done from other locales. 

[KAOS Agent]

Yeah, I don't think Colin being in town means anything because it sounds like maybe travel is out for a bit for his wife. Jen flat out stated that she's not done filming and Adam also said they weren't done. I'm wondering if maybe they were scheduled to be done last week, but renewal/cancellation is still up in the air with cancellation much more likely and they're back filming some different stuff for the finale just in case.

[sharky]

When JMo said she was still filming, it was in response to a set rat on Twitter saying she was already done for the season. I just assumed JMo meant that she was still filming that day. The picture she posted on Instagram was her heading to the airport with two huge suitcases -- hardly what I would consider packing to shoot in New Orleans for a weekend before going back to Vancouver. Plus, we've had indications like the Snowing statue in front of the studio and posts on Twitter that this was the end for some characters and therefore they were wrapped. And I always just assumed that Colin and his family went back to Ireland every year during the hiatus, but it would make sense if circumstances kept him in Van for a bit.

[Vader12]

29 minutes ago, sharky said:

Plus, we've had indications like the Snowing statue in front of the studio and posts on Twitter that this was the end for some characters and therefore they were wrapped.

But it does not even mean they are not coming back. And it does not mean it is the end of them. Nothing official or reliable, except gossip and no real proof. More like wrapped until it is time to film another season when the Hiatus is over as usual. If a s7 renews.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Vader12

[oncebluethrone]

Reasons I'm excited for this next episode:

1. Gideon backstory. I mean, how long have we been wondering why Gideon thought killing Emma would make him the Savior? Maybe we learn why.

2. Emma not being sad anymore. I've never thought Emma was out of character these past episodes, but her being determined or something is better than being sad.

3. The return of the Black Fairy. Darkest dark they've ever faced? Root of all darkness? Bring it on.

4. Emma and Gideon fighting a giant multiple-eyed spider. Like Aragog.

5. And my favorite reason. Killian could be trading his ship for a magic bean to get back to Emma. This means a callback/mention to my favorite episode (Season 3 finale) and the missing year, plus we would actually get to see it happen the second time around. He and Blackbeard end up in Neverland for some reason, which is equally as exciting.

[LaChavalina]

I saw Isaac in the previews for next week and I think I strained something from rolling my eyes.

JUST. NO.

[Mathius]

37 minutes ago, LaChavalina said:

I saw Isaac in the previews for next week and I think I strained something from rolling my eyes.

JUST. NO.

C'mon, Isaac was fun!  His role in the plot wasn't, but Patrick Fischler gave him a certain sardonic charm.

I'm less excited by the fact that he's only being brought in for a plot centered around Henry. 

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They're doing a lot of in-studio last-minute shooting.  Interesting.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Mathius

[Selina K]

2 hours ago, Curio said:

I was wondering this

I'm also hoping that Blackbeard teaming up with Hook next week will fill in some more plot holes about Hook's 3B adventure that should have been told onscreen but wasn't.

That's so cute, but you forgot. Your questions are pointless :)

[Vader12]

1 hour ago, Mathius said:

C'mon, Isaac was fun!  His role in the plot wasn't, but Patrick Fischler gave him a certain sardonic charm.

And he is a liar and a jerk. As well as an orphan maker on Lily (only he made Snowig and the apprentice do it with his pen by interfering and altering their lives) like the other villains were orphan makers such as Regina, Hook, Zelena, Cora and King George for what they did to people like Emma, Snow, Charming and Liam 2. If the show goes on, I hope Lily will kill him off after she learns the real story of what really happened.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Vader12

[KingOfHearts]

Robert filmed today, according to Adam. He said it was "quite the thing to see".

[Vader12]

26 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Robert filmed today, according to Adam. He said it was "quite the thing to see".

The way he said that sounds like a good thing for Rumple. Maybe it is. Who knows.

[sharky]

47 minutes ago, Mathius said:

They're doing a lot of in-studio last-minute shooting.  Interesting.

Those Bex photos are from Saturday so I don't know how last minute that is. An extra day? Meh. But if they shot over the weekend and are still shooting today, it's a little weird.

[Mathius]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

Robert filmed today, according to Adam. He said it was "quite the thing to see".

It was his death scene, calling it now.  I can't think of anything else that Robert would go all out on.

[Rumsy4]

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Hook attempts to win the assistance of an old adversary by betting his most prized possession on a game of cards.

Ugh--he's going to trade the Jolly Roger again to get back to Emma. That's why BB wanta to accompany Hook through the Portal. Poor Hook, he keeps making these giant sacrifices for Emma, and she can't  even trust him without solid proof. For the rest of his life, Hook will need to keep proving himself to Emma and her family.