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Regina being "meh" about Fake!Robin does throw a monkey wrench in the speculation that the new girl is their daughter -- unless maybe he's the soulmate of the Evil Queen. Or unless not that much time has passed since Robin's death (it's always hard to tell what the passage of time on this show is, but it doesn't seem like it's been more than a month) and Regina is miraculously pregnant with Real!Robin's baby.

I had a scary vision combining two of our spoilers:
It's Emma and Hook's wedding, and we see Emma looking radiant on her father's arm as he walks her down the aisle. Hook sees her entering, seems temporarily dumbstruck by her beauty, and they smile at each other. Everyone looks happy, but as the camera pans around the reactions, suddenly Regina looks ill. She tries to fight it away and force a smile, but then she looks distressed and slips out. Cut to the hallway outside the bathrooms at Granny's. Regina leaves the women's room, wiping her mouth with the back of her hand and still looking a little ill. Then she pauses to think, a look of disbelief, and then of wonder crosses her face, and she smiles as she places a hand on her belly. Cut to the wedding reception in Granny's (where else?), which is in full swing. Emma stands arm in arm with her new husband while David gives Hook the "if you hurt my daughter, I'll kill you" speech. Emma's gaze sweeps the room, and she frowns. She slips her arm out of Hook's, gives him a reassuring pat on the shoulder, and goes in search of Regina, finding her hiding out in the hallway. They proceed to have a five-minute conversation about Regina thinking she's pregnant, how impossible that is, what it means, etc., with Emma encouraging her about it being okay, that she's already been a single mom and did such a great job with Henry.

When Twitter explodes after the episode with fans complaining about getting 20 seconds of wedding, Adam responds that we all know what a wedding looks like, and they couldn't devote 40 minutes to a wedding, but Regina is going through some serious life changes.

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I'm more sure than ever that A&E will ruin CS's apparent happy ending in the finale, after the wedding. They simply refuse to deliver happiness without an ugly twist. Emma dying is NOT off the table. I'm sure A&E would think killing off their heroine would be oh-so-edgy and cool of them.

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7 minutes ago, Souris said:

I'm more sure than ever that A&E will ruin CS's apparent happy ending in the finale, after the wedding. They simply refuse to deliver happiness without an ugly twist. Emma dying is NOT off the table. I'm sure A&E would think killing off their heroine would be oh-so-edgy and cool of them.

She'll die revealing she only lived to push Regina forward into being a hero, ala Abbie and Ichabod. -_-

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Okay guys, I think I finally figured out why Hook is off on an adventure by himself for a few episodes. David sends him into exile:

(I figured we need a little levity after that episode.)

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15 minutes ago, Curio said:

Okay guys, I think I finally figured out why Hook is off on an adventure by himself for a few episodes. David sends him into exile

All kidding aside - I wonder if Killian leaving has something to do with killing David's father.  And didn't the idiots in charge say something about Tiger Lilly bring new issues for Hook? How many issues does the guy need this year?

If I had any trust in these writers I would say maybe August's pages were fake and Hook goes off to prove it.  But clearly we are supposed to love August so he would never do anything bad.  Only Hook does bad things.  

After tonight's mess I am seriously doubting that the wedding ends with Hook and Emma married given that the writers seem to think no good can happen with a ton of bad (unless the story line is for their special snowflake). 

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1 minute ago, Mrs. de Winter said:

All kidding aside - I wonder if Killian leaving has something to do with killing David's father.

 

That's what I'm guessing. I think Hook tells David about the death, David freaks out and does a "you'll never be a part of this family" kind of thing, Hook believes he's not good enough for Emma anymore, and then he sneaks off on a soul-searching trip by himself to figure out life. 

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And didn't the idiots in charge say something about Tiger Lilly bring new issues for Hook? How many issues does the guy need this year?

They're really making up for the lack of Hook screentime in 6A by giving him a whole bunch of crap to deal with in 6B.

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Because I am cynical and see conspiracy theories, I think it's not a coincidence that Jen got rid of her Emma Swan Twitter icon today. They started 6x21 on Friday, so she probably just got the script for 6x22.

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Just now, Souris said:

Because I am cynical and see conspiracy theories, I think it's not a coincidence that Jen got rid of her Emma Swan Twitter icon today. They started 6x21 on Friday, so she probably just got the script for 6x22.

Her twitter icon hasn't been Emma Swan since last season. The she had before was JMO not Emma.

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1 minute ago, cappoe said:

Her twitter icon hasn't been Emma Swan since last season. The she had before was JMO not Emma.

I'm pretty sure her previous one was fan art of Emma in her red leather jacket.

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Do we know how long August is around for?

It seems like the next step will be for Pinocchio to be hidden away in the cart and witness to David's father's murder by Hook.   Then he'll stowaway on the Jolly Roger and be tossed overboard and swallowed by a whale.

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All kidding aside - I wonder if Killian leaving has something to do with killing David's father.  And didn't the idiots in charge say something about Tiger Lilly bring new issues for Hook? How many issues does the guy need this year?

They implied that Hook knows her and that it would be a reminder of his dark past. But I think based on spoilers Tiger Lily is connected to Black Fairy more than anyone else.

Since they filmed scenes with her and baby Gideon, so she's definitely connected to her.

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6x12 - Hook decides not to go through with the proposal right now, because he doesn't think he's worthy of Emma.
6x20 - Hook and Emma get married.


Um... okay. I doubt there's any sort of time skip, either.

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I saw someone on tumblr make a quick reference to the idea that Hook makes amends for killing David's father by finding a cure for the Charming sleeping curse. Perhaps they find out the cure is on Neverland or something and Hook goes on a quest to get it. I actually wouldn't mind that if that's how this all plays out -- as long as there is very little secret keeping.

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5 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

6x12 - Hook decides not to go through with the proposal right now, because he doesn't think he's worthy of Emma.
6x20 - Hook and Emma get married.


Um... okay. I doubt there's any sort of time skip, either.

Remember, we've got Hook's 6x14 - 6x17 adventure away from and back to Storybrooke, that probably has something to do with it.

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Oh, God. I just saw somebody mention that Regina being a rapist is the only thing of hers they haven't dumped on Hook yet. And my mind immediately thought, "Wait, is that where Tiger Lily comes in?"

Please join me in my hell.

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4 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

6x12 - Hook decides not to go through with the proposal right now, because he doesn't think he's worthy of Emma.
6x20 - Hook and Emma get married.

We now need to worry about a scenario where Hook doesn't confess and someone asks "Speak now or forever hold your peace" at the wedding.

I am convinced that Pinocchio was hiding in the cart and witnessed the murder

It also doesn't make much sense that the wedding is in the musical episode rather than  the pen-ultimate or finale.  Unless there is wedding interruptus.

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1 minute ago, ParadoxLost said:

We now need to worry about a scenario where Hook doesn't confess and someone asks "Speak now or forever hold your peace" at the wedding.

I am convinced that Pinocchio was hiding in the cart and witnessed the murder

It also doesn't make much sense that the wedding is in the musical episode rather than  the pen-ultimate or finale.  Unless there is wedding interruptus.

The musical episode is the pen-ultimate.

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4 minutes ago, sharky said:

I saw someone on tumblr make a quick reference to the idea that Hook makes amends for killing David's father by finding a cure for the Charming sleeping curse. Perhaps they find out the cure is on Neverland or something and Hook goes on a quest to get it. I actually wouldn't mind that if that's how this all plays out -- as long as there is very little secret keeping.

 

I would be pleasantly surprised if that happens. Hook will probably be shunned by the Charming family when he spills the truth, he and Emma might even break up, but on his own, he decides to go off on an adventure and find the cure without expecting anything in return from the Charmings. And then when they wake up, they realize that Hook's gone through enough shit with the Underworld and whatnot and it's all in the past, so they forgive him and then we finally get the proposal.

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4 minutes ago, Souris said:

Oh, God. I just saw somebody mention that Regina being a rapist is the only thing of hers they haven't dumped on Hook yet. And my mind immediately thought, "Wait, is that where Tiger Lily comes in?"

Please join me in my hell.

Why would you put that out in the world? Ugh. Don't give A&E ideas. ;)

Also, I rewatched the promo for next week. Are we getting Beowulf next week?

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25 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Remember, we've got Hook's 6x14 - 6x17 adventure away from and back to Storybrooke, that probably has something to do with it.

We already know the answer they find out. Easter. So which episode is going to air on Easter.

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24 minutes ago, Souris said:

Oh, God. I just saw somebody mention that Regina being a rapist is the only thing of hers they haven't dumped on Hook yet. And my mind immediately thought, "Wait, is that where Tiger Lily comes in?"

Please join me in my hell.

Ngl, my mind went there too. Maybe I need to stopped watching this Show right now.

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32 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Ngl, my mind went there too. Maybe I need to stopped watching this Show right now.

I don't think we need to worry about anything like that. Tiger Lily is said to hate people but seeing the good in them will help them out in the end.

I think because Tiger Lily was seen in the nightmare realm, Hook may have found a way to send her to it or something.

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I wonder if part of Hook's solo adventure is also a "100 Deeds for Eddie McDowd" situation where he feels the need to make a checklist of every person he's ever wronged in life and wants to atone for it all before he proposes. Thus, he goes on that wild adventure with Ariel, Jasmine, and runs into Blackbeard and Tiger Lily because he's purposely seeking them out to right wrongs. Along the way, maybe he finds the potion that saves the Charmings.

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Just now, Curio said:

I wonder if part of Hook's solo adventure is also a "100 Deeds for Eddie McDowd" situation where he feels the need to make a checklist of every person he's ever wronged in life and wants to atone for it all before he proposes. Thus, he goes on that wild adventure with Ariel, Jasmine, and runs into Blackbeard and Tiger Lily because he's purposely seeking them out to right wrongs. Along the way, maybe he finds the potion that saves the Charmings.

That's actually a great idea.

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Because of his nefarious past, Captain Hook (played by Colin O’Donoghue) has “left a long line of adversaries,” Once cocreators Eddy Kitis and Adam Horowitz tell EW.com, which broke the casting. “Tiger Lily is the latest to return and complicate his efforts to leave that past behind,” thus impeding the pirate’s redemption arc.

This is what we know of Tiger Lily. She will appear in 3 episodes. 17, 18, and 19. She also has a connection to the Black Fairy as she was seen filming with her along with  Gideon.

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3 hours ago, Souris said:

Oh, God. I just saw somebody mention that Regina being a rapist is the only thing of hers they haven't dumped on Hook yet. And my mind immediately thought, "Wait, is that where Tiger Lily comes in?"

Please join me in my hell.

This was my fear with young Ursula, and this is my fear now. A&E hate Hook, so at this point I would be surprised if this doesn't happen.

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3 hours ago, sharky said:

I saw someone on tumblr make a quick reference to the idea that Hook makes amends for killing David's father by finding a cure for the Charming sleeping curse. Perhaps they find out the cure is on Neverland or something and Hook goes on a quest to get it. I actually wouldn't mind that if that's how this all plays out -- as long as there is very little secret keeping.

That would actually be great and might make me forgive this 'twist'. But now that I've said that, it's probably not going to happen.

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3 hours ago, Souris said:

Oh, God. I just saw somebody mention that Regina being a rapist is the only thing of hers they haven't dumped on Hook yet. And my mind immediately thought, "Wait, is that where Tiger Lily comes in?"

Please join me in my hell.

If they do that, it will completely crater their ratings.  I would be done with the show and AE.  

I have been a Trekkie since I was a very young girl, the killer Bs (Bergman and Braga) destroyed my love for any new Trek with Voyager.  Seven of Nine was basically Regina; all characters plots were warped to make it all about Seven. There were gapping plot holes/continuity issues. Braga was sleeping with the actress.  I refuse to watch anything those three are involved.

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So...why is Robin stealing those potions? Working with Gideon...sent to the wish Realm to infiltrate the "heroes ' clique??

The thing is...why the big delay in Robin coming through to SB.....unless he didn't and someone is masquerading as him to get access to that specific box of potions..perhaps the Black Fairy or Jafar...

 I  think the next ep is going to hurt...can see Killian withdrawing from Emma of guilt...

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11 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

6x12 - Hook decides not to go through with the proposal right now, because he doesn't think he's worthy of Emma.
6x20 - Hook and Emma get married.


Um... okay. I doubt there's any sort of time skip, either.

That's what makes it all so rushed and then the 2 part finale is there to set up the new characters/possible reboot.

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38 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Weren't there spoilers that David's father was alive and in present-day scenes? Or were those the Ghost Dad scenes?

Ghost Dad. The spoiler source I saw on his filming said then he would be a ghost.

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31 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

So, according to next week's ep, it's not ALL magic comes with a price, it's only Dark magic that comes with a price.  Nice to know we've had it wrong all these years...

Even dark magic has its retcon, the Dark Swan arc alone became utterly pointless by the end of the season.

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14 minutes ago, Souris said:

So Emma is going to find the ring, obviously, right?

EMMA: So...Killian. We need to talk.
HOOK: Aye, luv, we do.
EMMA: Listen, I know you've been keeping something from me.
HOOK: I know. But I didn't have the courage to confront you sooner.
EMMA: You know, this is really going to change things around here.
HOOK: You don't think I don't know that? I can't even imagine how David will react.
EMMA: I'm sure he's going to freak.
HOOK: That's an understatement! You can't really take back murdering someone's father.
EMMA: Wait, what are you talking about?
HOOK: What are you talking about?
EMMA: The ring, I found it in your sock drawer. But I'm much more interested in your story.
HOOK: #@&$ me.

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9 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Why would Beowulf want to go after Rumple for defeating the ogres?  That makes no sense to me.  

Maybe it put him out of business?

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EMMA: So...Killian. We need to talk.

Wouldn't it be so perverted if Emma ran to Regina to talk about Hook killing her grandfather?

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11 minutes ago, mjgchick said:

screaming at that line. The Charmings are literally the only people willing to deal with her.

Robin of Locksley confirmed for smartest character on the show.

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4 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

 

Wouldn't it be so perverted if Emma ran to Regina to talk about Hook killing her grandfather?

You put it out there!  Now it's going to happen!  To the corner with you, and no chocolate!

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27 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Maybe it put him out of business?

Wouldn't it be so perverted if Emma ran to Regina to talk about Hook killing her grandfather?

Why would you put that in the universe? In the words of Matt Hardy "DELETE DELETE DELETE DELETE!"

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