Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[cappoe]

I think everyone is leaving but Lana and Bex. Which LOL good luck with that.

[Mathius]

Can't find the link, but it was katmtan on Tumblr who said it.  She's a set stalker of sorts, and says that the scene w' baby Rumple is a flashback.

Edited February 26, 2017 by Mathius

[Rumsy4]

2 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Can't find the link, but it was katmtan on Tumblr who said it.  She's a set stalker of sorts, and says that the scene w' baby Rumple is a flashback.

Ok, thanks. She's generally reliable. Yeah--very likely to be Rumple's exit episode. Bye-bye to the baby-crocodile leather-jacket wearer!

[Curio]

2 hours ago, cappoe said:

I don't think a CS wedding will be rushed at all

 

I wish your optimism could rub off on me. 

While a wedding might not be rushed in the specific episode it plays out in, no matter what, there's no sufficient season-long emotional build up to it. Season 5 might have been CS-heavy, but 6A did a lot to completely ignore everything that happened in Season 5, and in some ways, it diminished the characters' journeys. No one talks about how Emma and Hook were Dark Ones. No one talks about how Hook just recently died and came back to life. We don't even know what Hook thinks about his journey in the Underworld. We've only seen 20 seconds of Emma and Hook talking to each other in their "shared" kitchen. Unless there's a lot of Emma/Hook scenes in 6B that haven't been spoiled, a potential finale wedding will seem unearned and completely irrelevant compared to the other major plots they've been focusing on in Season 6. 

The main arcs of Season 6 are Double Regina, Emma Savior Hand Shakes, Emma/Gideon, Belle/Rumple/Gideon, and Snow/Charming Sleeping Curse. Those are the biggest plots driving the action. Hook doesn't even have a major arc this season...he's actually less relevant than Belle at the moment. Hell, with Henry being the author, Hook has been demoted to lower than Henry in terms of relevancy. So with all of those plots that don't include Hook, it just doesn't seem right that at the end of all of this, they'd give the biggest emotional moment of Season 6 to a couple who has hardly had any interaction this season. Sure, loyal fans are aware that Emma and Hook are True Love and they went to hell and back last year, but each season needs to be its own story. Each season needs to be able to stand on its own, and if I was a viewer who only saw Season 6, I would be completely baffled by a CS wedding in the finale. I'd be thinking, "Wait, why are they getting married? I mean, I guess he just moved in, but they don't even hang out with each other. She wasn't even excited to see his future self in the Enchanted Forest and hung out with that random Pinocchio guy instead." The ending to Season 6's story seems like it'll be a rushed mess because A&E were banking on a Season 7.

Edited February 26, 2017 by Curio

[PixiePaws1]

..so, do we start taking bets on whether CS even get the full wedding or will it get interrupted?

I imagine that as a True Love x True Love baby...someone is going to be after CS's baby...Edwardo said he is also making 3 sets of fairy clothes which smacks of Flora, Fauna and Merriweather... 

The idea that CS could lose or have to give up their child makes me so angry....!!!

[Curio]

7 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Edwardo said he is also making 3 sets of fairy clothes which smacks of Flora, Fauna and Merriweather... 

 

I figured he was just referring to the Black Fairy, Blue, and Tinkerbelle.

[Souris]

23 minutes ago, Curio said:

I figured he was just referring to the Black Fairy, Blue, and Tinkerbelle.

That's probably it. We know they're all in 6B.

[Rumsy4]

53 minutes ago, Curio said:

Unless there's a lot of Emma/Hook scenes in 6B that haven't been spoiled, a potential finale wedding will seem unearned and completely irrelevant compared to the other major plots they've been focusing on in Season 6. 

Word. 

[Mathius]

1 hour ago, Rumsy4 said:

Ok, thanks. She's generally reliable. Yeah--very likely to be Rumple's exit episode. Bye-bye to the baby-crocodile leather-jacket wearer!

I'm sure he'll still be in the last three episodes, even if he's presently dead.  I mean, if Neal could get put into 3x19 and 3x22 post-death...

[sharky]

I don't know if Robert will be in those final episodes though. Based on the set spoilers that have been posted in various places about their Steveston filming, it feels very much like cast and crew were saying goodbye to Robert. There have been some pictures and video of JMo and Robert hugging after they filmed and the crew clapping when he was done filming. They didn't treat the rest of the cast that way. So regardless of whether this show is renewed for a final season or not, I think Robert is officially done with filming Once or at least very close to being done with it.

[Mathius]

Oh.  Oh, snap.  

Does that mean we won't get Ghost Rumple singing in the musical episode? :(

Edited February 26, 2017 by Mathius

[Curio]

Wow, that does seem pretty final for Rumple. I'm surprised A&E wouldn't bring him back for the finale. If Robert knew he would film for the finale, I doubt the crew would clap for him now.

I'm really curious about the finale. If they plan to wrap six years of story in 80 minutes, they better not spend a second on anyone who isn't named Emma, Snow, Charming, Henry, Hook, Regina, or Belle. Those are the only long-standing characters who need complete resolutions.

[sharky]

And because I should be asleep instead of posting here again, this is from Natalie Abrams' reddit Q and A:

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For OUAT, Can we expect any surprising twists or shocking moments by the season finale that no one saw coming? 
Yeah, actually, and probably before then – and something we probably should’ve seen coming. In a way, the show seems to be bringing the storytelling full circle (sorry for being cryptic!). 

Ummm....so there's a shocking twist before the finale? Let's see -- Rumple dies a few episodes before the end. You can guess what my shocked face looks like.

[Mathius]

Seriously, there was always virtually no chance Rumple was going to end his run alive.  

The problem, of course, is that just makes his 3B revival and everything that followed extra egregious.  His first death was perfect.

[Curio]

1 minute ago, Mathius said:

The problem, of course, is that just makes his 3B revival and everything that followed extra egregious.  His first death was perfect.

 

But we would have missed out on all those stars aligning with the stars on the hat...

Yeah, we all knew Rumple would probably kick the bucket, it was just a matter of when. I always figured they'd save it for the finale, but I guess Carlyle really didn't want to be in the musical episode. 

[Mathius]

25 minutes ago, Curio said:

But we would have missed out on all those stars aligning with the stars on the hat...

You joke, but for the most part 4A was actually the best Rumple was post-revival.

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Yeah, we all knew Rumple would probably kick the bucket, it was just a matter of when. I always figured they'd save it for the finale, but I guess Carlyle really didn't want to be in the musical episode. 

Actually, he very well still could be in the musical episode, in the flashback.  Imp Rumple singing would be much more fitting than Mr. Gold singing.

Plus, Carlyle has sung on camera before, so it's not like he'd object to it in of itself.

If he is there, then it'll likely be in the Evil Queen's number, since he tends to visit her in her lair often.

Edited February 26, 2017 by Mathius

[KingOfHearts]

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You joke, but for the most part 4A was actually the best Rumple was post-revival.

Replying in Rumple's thread.

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If he is there, then it'll likely be in the Evil Queen's number, since he tends to visit her in her lair often.

I can imagine Imp!Rumple and the Evil Queen singing something like this. A royal couple says affection words to each other, while also trying to kill each other. Reminds me of that scene in 6A where Rumple and the Evil Queen were fake-smiling to each other while they were trying to foil each other's plots to manipulate Monte Cristo.

Edited February 26, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[KingOfHearts]

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Alt Robin and the Evil Queen end in 6x14. 

Oh my gosh. What if Alt Robin and the Evil Queen go off to the Wish Realm to live happily ever after? Regina wouldn't have to deal with her... self, and Robin can have his bold audaciousness. EQ can torch as many fake villages as she wants.

Edited February 26, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

1 hour ago, sharky said:

I don't know if Robert will be in those final episodes though. Based on the set spoilers that have been posted in various places about their Steveston filming, it feels very much like cast and crew were saying goodbye to Robert. There have been some pictures and video of JMo and Robert hugging after they filmed

FWIW, JMo and Robert filmed together again the next day.

[Mathius]

Still doesn't explain the entire crew clapping after rehearsal.  That's usually done when someone is almost over with an entire project.

A comment here made 22 days ago, in response to mentioning that Colin sings and plays instruments, reads:

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So does Robert Carlyle but I heard he doesn't really want to do this.

Not sure where this person heard this, but if it's true than not even Imp Rumple will show up in the episode.  Darn!

Edited February 26, 2017 by Mathius

[Souris]

I read a quote from Robert from an interview awhile ago in which he was asked about a possible musical ep, and he said something akin to that he would have to be tied up and dragged to set, and he'd probably still escape to avoid it.

[retrograde]

30 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Still doesn't explain the entire crew clapping after rehearsal.  That's usually done when someone is almost over with an entire project.

But usually when they finish their final filmed scene, no? Clapping after the rehearsal seems a bit premature. 

[KAOS Agent]

"I’m afraid I would have to be bound and gagged and thrown onto the stage from a great height. Even then I might escape. I would escape."

Robert Carlyle, April 15, 2013 in a Wetpaint article on participating in a musical episode 

[Mathius]

WOW. OK, so he's REALLY not gonna be in it in any capacity.  XD

[cappoe]

The wording in the interview has changed. It says now JMO will wear the jacket to the series(current storyline) end. Could mean they're still in negotiations with her and probably the show. I think they realize without Emma they have no show. We shall see I guess.

[PixiePaws1]

That photo that was on the Once Upon a Time twitter site with the Emma funko doll sitting in a swan coffee mug makes me wonder if Emma gets cursed...and we actually get a Swan Princess....

And in those Canadagraph pics...the one with a close up of Emma's ring bearing hand..there is also Rumple's hand holding a long sharp object...a wand or needle bearing a curse ...like a sleeping curse??? Sorry couldn't get a link to attach...

Edited February 26, 2017 by PixiePaws1

[Free]

6b sounds like a rushed mess, it's like a checklist of things they've thought up on the spot and then the powers that be told them to wrap up the current story as quickly as possible which is why it's all so disjointed and rushed.

[Curio]

5 hours ago, PixiePaws1 said:

makes me wonder if Emma gets cursed...and we actually get a Swan Princess...

 

Omg, I'll be so pissed if the series ends and Emma never got to truly be the Swan Princess. Y'all had 100+ episodes to get there, A&E! But no, I suppose episodes where Regina has a meltdown on her Sweet 16 Birthday or a meltdown when she tears down all of Snow's horseriding ribbons were so much more pertinent to the plot...

[sharky]

You know, that makes me hope part of this reset will include drop kicking the flashbacks. They've become filler and a hindrance to pushing the story forward. 

Edited February 26, 2017 by sharky

[RulerofallIsurvey]

12 hours ago, Curio said:

While a wedding might not be rushed in the specific episode it plays out in, no matter what, there's no sufficient season-long emotional build up to it.

This was my problem with another show I watch in which the principal characters (and True Loves!) were separated at the end of the season.  For most of the preceding season, they were emotionally and physically distant so, for me, there was not sufficient build up to get the emotional reaction at their separation that I'm sure the show wanted.  

I can see the same thing happening here.

10 hours ago, Mathius said:

Does that mean we won't get Ghost Rumple singing in the musical episode? :(

Well, he could always just dance and strip.  ;)

9 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Oh my gosh. What if Alt Robin and the Evil Queen go off to the Wish Realm to live happily ever after? Regina wouldn't have to deal with her... self, and Robin can have his bold audaciousness. EQ can torch as many fake villages as she wants.

I know you joke, but I can't decide whether this would actually be a good thing or not.  lol.  I'm sure the showrunners would think this is a perfect solution to the current dilemma, but I can't help remember that Regina killed the Wish!Charmings so there is no one to champion all those poor fake villagers anymore.  

Oh, except Fake!Henry.  Heh.  That might actually be an appropriate end for that character.  

[KingOfHearts]

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I know you joke, but I can't decide whether this would actually be a good thing or not.  lol.  I'm sure the showrunners would think this is a perfect solution to the current dilemma, but I can't help remember that Regina killed the Wish!Charmings so there is no one to champion all those poor fake villagers anymore.  

Oh, I'm not joking. :P That would probably be the neatest way to tie up those storylines. The Evil Queen would definitely want to live in a world where the Charmings don't exist. No one on the show, not even Emma, cares about the fake villagers.

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Oh, except Fake!Henry.  Heh.  That might actually be an appropriate end for that character.  

He needs a loving mother like the Evil Queen to tell him to stand up straight. ;) Let's be real, EQ cares more about Henry than Regina does.

Edited February 26, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Guest]

14 hours ago, PixiePaws1 said:

That photo that was on the Once Upon a Time twitter site with the Emma funko doll sitting in a swan coffee mug makes me wonder if Emma gets cursed...and we actually get a Swan Princess....

OMG.  That is much more likely than a sleeping curse.  Emma is absent in human form but is swimming around the lake.  Then they'll constantly try to get back lapsed viewers by hinting that JMo might return to resolve the storyline.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

:Sigh:  Nothing in that new all-EQ promo makes me want to watch 6B*.  In fact, it makes me want to tune in even less.  If that's possible. 

*Who thought that was a good idea?  (after the poor ratings for 6A featuring the EQ) They should be fired.  I'm not even kidding.  

Edited February 27, 2017 by RulerofallIsurvey
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[scenicbyway]

A wedding?  Maybe we're missing something? Maybe CS do interact more in the next 10 episodes?

It does sound like the show as we know it is over as of May.  But I do think the writers thought they were getting a 7th season only to have that change.

[Kktjones]

14 minutes ago, scenicbyway said:

Maybe CS do interact more in the next 10 episodes?

The thing is we pretty much know that they don't interact much - at least in the first several episodes (based on filming spoilers and JMo being in LA, NYC, etc. for so much of the time). I think we can also be pretty sure that there are no Emma, Hook or CaptainSwan centrics in 6B (unless the musical and/or finale is centered around them). Therefore it looks like the engagement will be a B or C story in one of the episodes. I know that we don't know everything based on location and set spoilers, but I think we usually know enough to understand who the episodes are focused on and who will be paired up. TBH I was completely shocked to see they are engaged by 6x19 b/c spoilers indicate very, very few days when they could have filmed together at all. Hopefully they were just better about keeping things a secret...

[Free]

13 hours ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

:Sigh:  Nothing in that new all-EQ promo makes me want to watch 6B*.  In fact, it makes me want to tune in even less.  If that's possible. 

*Who thought that was a good idea?  (after the poor ratings for 6A featuring the EQ) They should be fired.  I'm not even kidding.  

That seems to be their de facto answer: more Regina/EQ.

[Souris]

They really seem to be putting all their eggs in the Regina basket this season, both in the show and in promotion. It doesn't seem like a wise strategy at all, but I guess she's an easy and iconic character for a quick promo to focus on. Also, since as far as we know Jen hasn't signed on for S7 and fandom rumors say Lana is contracted for S7, they may feel they don't have much choice but to tout her. We don't know who else will be a part of S7.

[Mathius]

Interesting that she was repeating the same narration from the previous promo about happy endings in sight, the final chapter, etc. 

[Amerilla]

On 2/26/2017 at 11:22 AM, RulerofallIsurvey said:

While a wedding might not be rushed in the specific episode it plays out in, no matter what, there's no sufficient season-long emotional build up to it.

The show's never really done emotionally-deserved-build-up weddings. We meet Snow and Charming at their wedding - only earned in the sense that we understand Snow and Charming are supposed to live happily ever after.  Rumbelle had almost no interaction (which is to say, without crisis/memory loss/hallucination) from mid-2B to late 3B, got engaged in the same episode all that was resolved, and married without ever having a conversation about all the terrible things that had transpired over the course of the season. So the chances that there going to change the model for CS are pretty close to nil. For A&E, weddings are just a thing that happens as a platform for shocking plot twists.    

[Mathius]

4 hours ago, Amerilla said:

For A&E, weddings are just a thing that happens as a platform for shocking plot twists.    

In other words, it's just like all other things on this show.

[Kktjones]

6 hours ago, Amerilla said:

The show's never really done emotionally-deserved-build-up weddings.

I actually want to thank you for saying this because it reminded me that this really isn't a show that ever does right by the big, important moments. As much as I wish it was, it's just not that kind of show. So I will just be happy that Emma & Hook are getting engaged and possibly married and try not to think about the fact that they have very little interaction leading up to it. And really, out of the four main couples on the show CaptainSwan has, by FAR, the most and best moments. Snowing did have some great ones in Seasons 1 & 2, but since then it's been slim pickings! I won't even go into detail on the other two couples.

[PixiePaws1]

http://killiarious.tumblr.com/post/157749555335/all-the-wedding-dresses-jmo-has-liked-on

If Emma wears something like these Killian may have a meltdown...in a good way..:o)

I think the centre of the bodice on the reem_acra dress looks like 2 swans kissing...

[cappoe]

I say Lana and Bex are the only ones in S7, everybody else seems like they're getting wrapped up this season. We also don't know what is filmed in studio, we could easily have a CS centric episode but we don't know based on filming spoilers. Just wait and see I guess. I'm just glad they're engaged and getting married. I'm of the opinion the show is done for. I do think that JMO is more likely to return than either Gosh or Bobby mainly because they look like they checked out a long time ago. They're probably still negotiating. After the backlash Adam got on the whole S7 idea I'm very sure ABC told them to go back to the drawing board. 

[Mathius]

6 hours ago, cappoe said:

I say Lana and Bex are the only ones in S7

Bex is questionable, since it looks like Zelena is taking baby Robin and going back to Oz in 6x20. 

[pezgirl7]

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The musical episode is not going to be some kind of a dream sequence or an alternate reality. It's going to be a "real Once Upon a Time episode" and a key part in progressing the storyline of the series forward.

http://www.etonline.com/tv/211691_once_upon_a_time_adam_horowitz_eddy_kitsis_musical_episode_colin_odonoghue_singing_proposal/

I haven't really been following the timeline of when things are being filmed, but is it possible that the CS proposal might happen in the musical episode? I can just imagine Killian singing a love song to Emma (Like Spike's 'Rest in Peace' song to Buffy, but more romantic obviously LOL) and then asking her to marry him. It'd be so lovely although I doubt it will happen that way.

At least they pretty much confirmed that there will be a CS song, unless they were being trolls again...

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"Well, you know you never know," he teased when we pointed out that many fans would love to see a Captain Swan song in the mix. "It's a show about hope, Leanne, and if you have enough of it, it might happen!"

[Souris]

7 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

I haven't really been following the timeline of when things are being filmed, but is it possible that the CS proposal might happen in the musical episode? I can just imagine Killian singing a love song to Emma (Like Spike's 'Rest in Peace' song to Buffy, but more romantic obviously LOL) and then asking her to marry him. It'd be so lovely although I doubt it will happen that way.

At least they pretty much confirmed that there will be a CS song, unless they were being trolls again...

Emma already has the engagement ring on in 6x19, so they can't get engaged in 6x20. Maybe they can sing their vows as they get married by Regina in 6x20. (Honestly, who else would it possibly be?)

One can NEVER underestimate the troll level of A&E. I don't believe a word out of their mouths. Given their history, the most romantic thing coming up may be Hook putting the toilet seat down. (I kid. That would take place in a domestic situation, which obviously would not be shown.)

So CS news couldn't even fill its own article, but Regina is going to fill two articles. Lovely.

[pezgirl7]

1 minute ago, Souris said:

Emma already has the engagement ring on in 6x19, so they can't get engaged in 6x20.

Thanks for the info! My dreams are dashed... just kidding! :) Most people on this board don't seem to be happy about a CS engagement, but I am. I've been waiting almost 4 years for this, so nothing is going to make me NOT want them to get engaged and married. After everything they've gone through, and where they started, they are more deserving of a happy ending than anyone on the show, even if they haven't had many scenes together this past season. The show just isn't what it used to be, and I've accepted that. So I will take what I can get, and be happy. But that's just me.

[PixiePaws1]

Just had a thought about the upcoming CS separation...remember how A&E rehash plots because they have no creativity....i mean love to have CS parallel Snowing.

Put that with the callback to Emma's 'working my way back to you, Babe'...l am wondering if Killian gets sent realms away and all these side adventures with other characters is him working his way back to her...like Charming had to follow the enchanted ring thru the Infinite Forest to find sleep cursed Snow.

[sharky]

Oh, and they get put under a sleeping curse to meet each other in the weird fire room. If there was a way to keep them connected while they were apart -- magical mirror or telepathy or Emma's engagement ring magic or something -- I wouldn't mind that.

Btw, we still don't have any preview clips, do we?

[Curio]

24 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

At least they pretty much confirmed that there will be a CS song, unless they were being trolls again...

I would lean towards trolling. There's probably a group song where everybody sings at the same time, so technically Hook and Emma will be singing together, but not as a solo duet.

6 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

Most people on this board don't seem to be happy about a CS engagement, but I am.

It's not that I'm unhappy about it, it's more that I'm disappointed at the road getting to this point. We were all waiting for Emma to finally say "I love you" to Killian in Season 4, but I don't think many people were happy with the way Emma said it and the situation it was said in. I fear the same will happen with this engagement and marriage. How much can I really enjoy a moment I've been waiting years for if for 38 minutes of the episode Emma is off with Regina and Gideon, but then in the final 2 minutes there's a rushed scene where Emma and Killian finally get to squeeze in a proposal or wedding? After the Season 4 "Heroes and Villains" ending, the "Did Emma Save the Town or Regina" debate where even Morrison had to chime in, and the "Wish You Were Here" fiasco, this show has sucked all hope out of me and I only expect the worst now. Sure, any CS engagement or wedding will put a smile on my face, but compared to what those scenes could have been with the proper build up...it's just sad to think about. And if we don't get a Season 7 and CS finishes the series without Emma and Hook having a proper TLK and without one of them being awoken from a sleeping curse, I'll feel like I wasted a lot of time investing in this show expecting an obvious outcome only for the creators to dink around and rush everything at the last second because they were too cocky about a renewal.

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"Frankly, it's been one of the challenges of doing the musical because we never wanted to do something where it was just like a to-the-side, one-off thing, and then get back to the main story. We want to see it part of the main story, which meant we had to really plan out this season with some great detail."

Oh, now A&E are worried about a to-the-side, one-off thing, and then get back to the main story episode. That didn't stop them from writing the useless one-off Wish Realm episodes, the useless one-off episodes throughout 6A (Mirror World anyone?), the entire Season 5 finale, and countless other one-offs throughout the years.