Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[ParadoxLost]

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INT: GROUP HOME BEDROOM*
INT: EMMA'S HOUSE
EXT: CHARMING'S CASTLE BALCONY - FTL*
INT: CHARMING'S BEDROOM*
EXT: EMMA'S HOUSE

I'm marginally hopeful that jumping from Emma childhood flashback to Emma's house to Charming flashback and back to Emma's house means that will get some Charming family stuff early in the episode.

[Souris]

9 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

That actually makes more sense to me than there being something that makes people sing in various worlds and time periods. Dreams do jump around.

Yeah, the jumping around makes sense to me as being dreamlike, too. Dreams are an easy way to explain weirdness or time wonkiness.

3 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I'm marginally hopeful that jumping from Emma childhood flashback to Emma's house to Charming flashback and back to Emma's house means that will get some Charming family stuff early in the episode.

Before it becomes All About Regina!

[Curio]

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That actually makes more sense to me than there being something that makes people sing in various worlds and time periods. Dreams do jump around. She's visited the shattered palace where her parents lived, and then she was there in the dream realm, so she'd have the imagery in her subconscious. So she might dream her parents singing in their palace, but she might dream Hook in the present day.

Otherwise, how do we get singing in the past and present? There was a spell that affected people in the past and made them sing, and now that same spell has been cast again? If there's something actually causing people to sing, you'd think it would all be happening in the same place and time.

 

 

I was actually hoping this episode would be Emma's dream, but since this show doesn't like to give me things I like, I'm banking on this episode being a singing curse that hits Storybrooke rather than a dream world.

If it is Emma's dream world, the locations make it seem like she: 1) Dreams of her parents singing in Fairy Tale Land, 2) Dreams of the Evil Queen singing in a lair somewhere in Storybrooke, 3) Dreams of the dwarfs heigh-ho-ing in the mines of Storybrooke, 4) Dreams of Granny's in Storybrooke, 5) Dreams of Pinocchio's shop in Storybrooke, 6) Dreams of Killian singing on the Jolly Roger that's parked at Storybrooke's docks, 7) Dreams of Zelena singing in Oz (even though Emma has never seen Zelena's Oz chamber in person), 8) Dreams of people singing in the Mayor's Office, and finally 8) Dreams of people singing on Main Street. Even for a dream, that seems really random.

Just playing devil's advocate here...but if it's a singing curse that hits Storybrooke instead, then you only have to deal with the one random FTL singing location: Charming's balcony/bedroom. If the locations are listed in order, then it might make sense if it goes like this: 1) Young Emma flashback, 2) INT of Emma's house is a shot of her sleeping (Maybe she's even *gasp!* sleeping next to Hook in the same bed! Someone call the FCC!), 3) The Charming balcony/bedroom scene is Emma's normal non-sleeping curse dream, 4) Emma wakes up and says "that was a weird dream about my parents", and 5) the EXT of Emma's house shows ominous curse clouds in the distance to remind the audience, yes, the rest of the episode is going to be exactly like Emma's dream. Then, the musical singing curse hits after Emma dreams about her parents in FTL, and everyday Storybrooke citizens randomly bust out into song once the curse hits them at different times. That would explain why the locations like the mines, Granny's, Pinocchio's shop, and the Jolly Roger aren't marked FTL—they're all taking place in the present timeline. The only random outlier with all of this is Zelena's Oz song at the end of the episode.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Curio

[Souris]

9 minutes ago, Curio said:

Then, the musical singing curse hits after Emma dreams about her parents in FTL, and everyday Storybrooke citizens randomly bust out into song once the curse hits them at different times. That would explain why the locations like the mines, Granny's, Pinocchio's shop, and the Jolly Roger aren't marked FTL—they're all taking place in the present timeline. The only random outlier with all of this is Zelena's Oz song at the end of the episode.

Right before Zelena there's INT: EQ'S DUNGEON - FTL -- so that would be another outlier.

[Curio]

Just now, Souris said:

Right before Zelena there's INT: EQ'S DUNGEON - FTL -- so that would be another outlier.

True, but that one at least doesn't have singing. That could just be another Regina Flashback #345684363 that we have in every other episode.

[KingOfHearts]

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Can you reveal when Snow and Charming will both be awake on Once Upon a Time? — Miley
I cannot reveal when, but I can give you a tease about how. “The manner by which they are brought out of the sleeping curse is moving,” Ginnifer Goodwin tells me. “I became emotional every time I read the script and it has nothing really to do with David or me.”

The Evil Queen looms over Snow and Charming, one asleep and one asleep by a curse. She's almost in tears.

Evil Queen: "This... this brings me no joy. They're not in agony. They're dreaming of sugar plums or whatever the hell goody-goodies dream of."
Emma (putting her arm around EQ): "See, you can't truly punish my mother for what she did to Daniel. It will never bring you happiness."
Evil Queen: "I realize that now. Well, there's one way to break this curse. Kill the person who cast it in the first place."
Emma: "Regina - I mean - Evil Queen! You can't do that. You're half of my BFF. The truth is, I always liked you. I knew we would be such wonderful friends when you told me you didn't want to kill me. That was you, not Regina."
Evil Queen: "With all due respect Ms. Swan, I always hated you and you just tried to kill me a few days ago."
Emma: "Oh..."
Evil Queen: "You may not be able to kill me, but..."
Glinda (pops in): "The Evil Queen has had the power to kill herself all along!"
 

Edited February 10, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

Ginnifer was also emotional when they revealed Baby Do-Over as Neal, so I'm expecting the worst when it comes to this awakening.

[PixiePaws1]

Ginny didn't say what type of emotions moved her.

Maybe it was frustration or anger or horror ....because Snowing have nothing to do with breaking their own curse. Sounds like they wake as a by product of something else. Maybe Regina uses Dark magic and farts white magic simultaneously...

[Souris]

3 minutes ago, Souris said:

Colin & Jen interview from Atlanta.

Things won't be easy for Emma & Hook in the second half of the season. Confronting problems with being a couple.

Remember Adam's interjection of "That depends on what your definition of good is" after Eddy's "good Captain Swanage" blather.

Emma is totally gonna say no if he pops the question.

Snowing fans are going to be hella pissed if the curse isn't broken by Snowing themselves.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Souris

[daxx]

Emma says no, he goes off with Jasmine to help her while he gives Emma "space". 

Last two seconds of the season she pops the question to him, fade to black. Yeah I'm excited.

[Curio]

Does Colin read this message board? Some of his comments seem like they were literally copied and pasted from us.

[Souris]

11 minutes ago, daxx said:

Emma says no, he goes off with Jasmine to help her while he gives Emma "space". 

Last two seconds of the season she pops the question to him, fade to black. Yeah I'm excited.

That's exactly what I expect. Only it won't be the last two seconds. There will be some scene with the S7 setup after that. Or Emma will run off to have shots with Regina before he answers.

And since there are still no reports of Jen and Colin filming together as of Ep 18, I expect Hook will be gone until the finale.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Souris

[Rumsy4]

Well the spoilers for CS are downright nonexistent is what I'm hearing. Typically JMo is eloquent, but she literally couldn't think of anything to say and fudged and passed the buck to Colin of all people! lol The Valentine's day convo was cute. 

[RadioGirl27]

Yeah, it's pretty obvious she is going to say no to the proposal. And probably that is the reason why he goes on his solo adventure. So much love and romance. I'm so uninterested in this new episodes. 

[RulerofallIsurvey]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

I cannot reveal when, but I can give you a tease about how. “The manner by which they are brought out of the sleeping curse is moving,” Ginnifer Goodwin tells me. “I became emotional every time I read the script and it has nothing really to do with David or me.”

Emma holds Baby Do-Over up to their cheeks and he kisses them both and it breaks the spell.  

From the interview: Colin: "They're (Hook and Emma) going to struggle with the sort of reality of being a couple together for the first time...um...for a period." Then he goes straight into teasing about Charming/Hook adventures.  

That "for a period" does not bode well for seeing Hook and Emma together this half season, imo.  [sigh].  It's really nothing that I didn't already strongly suspect.  It's just depressing finding out that you were right to be pessimistic in the first place.  

[tri4335]

None of these spoilers are inspiring me to return in March and I feel like any CS setup for Season 7 will end up being a bait and switch.  If it wasn't for this fandom, I would already be gone. A & E really have written the case study on how to ruin the potential of a great cast and show premise. 

[Kktjones]

A and E are also the absolute WORST at promoting their show. Can't they give these poor actors something to say in interviews? Isn't the point of teases and spoilers to be getting people excited and interested in watching? I mean they have been teasing this Hook/Charming episode since July! We're ready for some new information!

[Curio]

They think that by withholding all information we'll be super surprised by the end result, but it doesn't matter because of how predictable the show is.

[Souris]

9 minutes ago, Curio said:

They think that by withholding all information we'll be super surprised by the end result, but it doesn't matter because of how predictable the show is.

All they care about is people being SHOCKED! and SURPRISED! They think people will be excited simply to know the show is airing. And, of course, that Guest Star #497 will be back.

[Rumsy4]

It's kind of ridiculous that A&E gave them a list of things they couldn't talk about, but didn't give proper guidance on what they could. If you bring two major actors of your TV Show to an event, give them something exciting to talk about and promote the Show! Tink and Black Fairy are not draws, and no one cares about Aladdin and Jasmine. Fans care about the core charatcers, and if they are interviewing Colin and Jen, we want to hear about Hook and Emma and CS. This is ridiculous and boring. 

Edited February 10, 2017 by Rumsy4

[clairetvfanatic]

Chiming in to say WOW the pessimism is strong here!  True, this show sucks for the most part lately...to the point where I wonder why I still watch but I guess I'm not to the point of thinking Hook runs off sulking with Jasmine because Emma turns down his proposal.  

I really think something is seriously wrong with Emma, like Gideon has her under a curse or spell and Hook is off finding a cure.  Something like that must be going on for all the indoor filming this half.  We used to get outdoor filming like once an episode or so.  Perhaps she's under a weird sleeping curse and the musical ep is us seeing her dreams.  Then she wakes up at the end?

Also, is this the first time Jared has filmed in a while?  Not that I care about Henry but where has he been this whole time?
 

[PixiePaws1]

If Gideon's motivation for killing Emma is to be the Savior for the Dark Realm...and he was prevented from killing her ..then she is likely helping him to 'save' the Dark realm either ny choice  (very like Emma to do so) or he is blackmailing her/has cursed her/holding her or someone she loves hostage/holding the cure to Snowing's curse.etc

If it is the latter then Killian will be on his quest to free her or remove Gideon's leverage.

If it is the former then that could cause friction between CS because no way would Killian trust Gideon not to turn on Emma if things go badly.

Edited February 10, 2017 by PixiePaws1

[Souris]

23 minutes ago, clairetvfanatic said:

I really think something is seriously wrong with Emma, like Gideon has her under a curse or spell and Hook is off finding a cure.  Something like that must be going on for all the indoor filming this half.  We used to get outdoor filming like once an episode or so.

I think it has more to do with the brutal and changeable weather in Vancouver this winter than any story reason. Also possibly with A&E not wanting ANY spoilers to get out. 

[RadioGirl27]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

All they care about is people being SHOCKED! and SURPRISED! They think people will be excited simply to know the show is airing. And, of course, that Guest Star #497 will be back.

Well, looking at the declining audience and the spoilers, I would be surprised if the show keeps airing next season.

[sharky]

4 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Well, looking at the declining audience and the spoilers, I would be surprised if the show keeps airing next season.

Not to dig too much into this because of the extensive discussion in the ratings thread, but I wouldn't be too concerned. There's nothing in the spoilers to tell us exactly what's going in and a lot in the actual data telling us that there are shows doing far worse on ABC than Once. I know we can get pessimistic when we get hiatus stir crazy, but I would only be sort of worried about renewal right now. Once is pretty safe for now.

[Shanna Marie]

I had a horrible thought. We've been discussing what the basis for the musical episode might be, since there's usually some reason given for characters in an otherwise non-musical series to suddenly burst into song and dance for one episode. There have been things like spells turning everything into a musical or the musical all taking place in the head of someone in a coma or under the influence of drugs. But, given that these are the writers who created an alternate universe for one two-part episode in which they were supposedly exploring the idea of heroes and villains and what happens if they switch places without actually thinking through how that might work or what might actually happen and who created a "wishverse" in which the writing staff doesn't even agree about how it works, whether the people in it are alive and real or not, and how things worked to get events to turn out the way they did, what if they don't even bother to come up with a reason for a musical episode? Would it be that out of character for these writers to just have a random musical episode because everyone else is doing it without really having a reason for the musical numbers? They suck at worldbuilding and don't seem to realize that there needs to be some kind of rationale behind other one-off stuff they do, so why not this?

Someone, talk me down, please!

[PixiePaws1]

11 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

 

Someone, talk me down, please!

Sorry, can't do it. Look to the left, I'm on the ledge next to you...!

[Rumsy4]

14 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Would it be that out of character for these writers to just have a random musical episode because everyone else is doing it without really having a reason for the musical numbers?

Tbh, this thought has been at the back of my mind. The episode may well be a musical with no in-world explanation for it. It's not necessarily a bad thing. The charatcers would simply be not aware that anything's different, and it may be referenced coyly in later episodes. 

[KingOfHearts]

The writers supposedly don't listen to feedback, but they will copy whatever is "hip" at the moment and fall back on something that's been requested for several seasons. Mhm. Yeah, the musical is totally part of their artistic vision.

[Free]

18 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

The writers supposedly don't listen to feedback, but they will copy whatever is "hip" at the moment and fall back on something that's been requested for several seasons. Mhm. Yeah, the musical is totally part of their artistic vision.

Agreed, this season especially feels like they're throwing things at the wall, going off a checklist of what to throw in the show: available guest stars, Regina/EQ, random music episode, etc.

[formerlyfreedom]

A reminder; site rule is to Be CIVIL to each other. If you think someone is not being civil, report the post, and then ignore it.

Posts have been removed and warnings were handed out. We still have three weeks to go until a new episode. Let's be kind to each other.

[Souris]

Could this promo BE any more blatantly meta about the S7 reboot? "Are you willing to take a chance on a new chapter?" The voiceover of it possibly being the "final chapter" for some characters is over scenes of Emma and Rumple -- the two actors who we know aren't contracted for S7.

Edited February 12, 2017 by Souris

[Rumsy4]

I wouldn't read any deeper meaning into a half-baked promo. In-story, there's the whole Emma-death prophecy hanging over her head. That's most likely what the promo is alluding to. 

[Souris]

A lot of people seem to be freaking out that it's signaling the end of the show -- but obviously the show as it is will indeed be ending with S6, even if there is a S7. That is what a reboot means. It's not going to be the same show in S7. Channing Dungey pretty much spelled that out. I don't think some people have really grasped what doing a reboot of the show will mean.

[RadioGirl27]

The new promo screams last season to me.

[Rumsy4]

I feel like the idea of a "reboot" is being taken too seriously. The show as such is not going to be majorly revamped as far as overall themes and storylines. What it really implies is a reduced cast. I wouldn't be surprised at a few main charatcers exiting the Show. My money's on Zelena for sure (off to Oz, most likely), and likely Rumple (and Belle, perhaps). 

[Mathius]

6 hours ago, Souris said:

Could this promo BE any more blatantly meta about the S7 reboot? "Are you willing to take a chance on a new chapter?" The voiceover of it possibly being the "final chapter" for some characters is over scenes of Emma and Rumple -- the two actors who we know aren't contracted for S7.

It was also over a scene of Charming and Snow, plus Belle was with Rumple.  And if Zelena leaves, that just leaves Regina, Henry and Hook.  

And yes, at this rate I can totally see them giving Emma and Hook the ultimate separation by having her, Snow and Charming go off somewhere together, while Hook stays on as a regular and doesn't reunite with Emma until the series finale in which the departing characters would inevitably return as guest stars.  The new show will be the adventures of Regina and Henry, with Hook shoved off on guest characters like Tiger Lily.

[cappoe]

5 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

I wouldn't read any deeper meaning into a half-baked promo. In-story, there's the whole Emma-death prophecy hanging over her head. That's most likely what the promo is alluding to. 

I agree completely. A promo has never really foreshadowed anything really, especially something that isn't even clear yet like casts fate or anything. As far as the GA knows Emma is supposed to die when facing the hooded figure so the part where some final chapters, it's clearly alluding to the still looming fate of Emma as we see in the promo she fights Gideon.  Plus the happy endings thing is over Robin and Regina and we already know that is not going to be happening.  It's a half-baked promo and it's not meant to do anything but get people excited for the return of the show in March. There's nothing significant about it.

However this is the OUAT fandom and it wouldn't be the OUAT fandom if people didn't make a big deal over every little thing and think doom and gloom.

Edited February 12, 2017 by cappoe

[Souris]

Even if the promo wasn't meant to have anything at all to do with a rebooted S7, I think it's still pretty hysterical at how it hits the exact reboot spec. Honestly, it made me laugh!

Edited February 12, 2017 by Souris

[sharky]

Just remember there's a reason we call them promo monkeys. I don't think they have ever shown any real connection to what's actually going on in the show. 

[Serena]

11 hours ago, sharky said:

Just remember there's a reason we call them promo monkeys. I don't think they have ever shown any real connection to what's actually going on in the show. 

Exactly. Let's not forget how the promo introduced Hook at the time: "Someone even WORSE THAN RUMPLESTILTSKIN"

[Curio]

8 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

Or the 4b promo where Emma had the red eyes and Rumple spoke of corrupting her. All we got out of that was egg napping. 

But...but...that was such deep foreshadowing about Emma turning into the Dark One! 

[Shanna Marie]

10 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

Or the 4b promo where Emma had the red eyes and Rumple spoke of corrupting her. All we got out of that was egg napping. 

Or the 6A teasers about the oh so evil Dark Swan, when it turns out she didn't do anything all that evil and was just trying to find a way to save Hook.

[Souris]

3 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Or the 6A teasers about the oh so evil Dark Swan, when it turns out she didn't do anything all that evil and was just trying to find a way to save Hook.

Well, to be fair to the promo monkeys, that WAS how the show portrayed DS in the beginning of the season.

[maryle]

These days it seem to be to distinctive camps.

The positive one versus the negative buy I am right in the middle!

Maybe because I am succeeding in detaching myself from caring for the show. But, I already figure 6b won't interesting me much and I accept it.

Emma storyline doesn't sound epic like it should be when the promo still highlight her potential dead.

She doesn't appear to have the focus that Regina, snowing or even Zelena have. Regina and snowing have both two heavy episode and Zelena one. Emma have the premiere that she share with everyone cause... It's the premiere!

So, now I just hope that 19 or the final is Emma or cs focus. Just waiting for the title crossing my finger.

 

Honestly, rumbelle by the negative emotion they gave me is the only good storyline but it will be waste when they will be back together as nothing as happened.

Edited February 14, 2017 by maryle

[InsertWordHere]

I honestly don't care enough to be either positive or negative. This hiatus is even worse than Season 4's. At least there was stuff happening during that one, even if I had no interest in most of it. Everything is so boring. I yearn for the days of the Season 5 hiatus when we at least had some fun speculating about Underbrooke, even though the worldbuilding turned out to be awful for that arc, as usual. 

Also, hi everyone! 

[YaddaYadda]

I realized yesterday that we have two more Sundays to go in the hiatus, and that I didn't care. 

[PixiePaws1]

4 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I realized yesterday that we have two more Sundays to go in the hiatus, and that I didn't care

For me the hiatus will be over somewhere around 6x17...unless CS are still separated..so maybe it will go even longer... *sigh*

[RulerofallIsurvey]

14 hours ago, maryle said:

Maybe because I am succeeding in detaching myself from caring for the show. But, I already figure 6b won't interesting me much and I accept it.

That's smart.  I should try harder to do that.  If I let go of any good (for what I want) expectations, then I can't be disappointed, right?  And maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised?  

Okay, in that vein - I fully expect a LOT of Regina.  As in probably too much Regina, but hey, since the showrunners like the Emma/Regina friendship so much I guess that means Emma might get to be in a scene or two, so that would be nice.

Probably not much Hook - except for the one ep with his side adventure with Jasmine.  Maybe Jasmine will finally have a decent personality that episode as well.  

And Snowing is supposed to come out of the curse, so maybe that will be nice as well.

[daxx]

I actually think Colin's been filming a fair bit, just not with the main cast.