Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[RadioGirl27]

21 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

A&E: Alcoholism is soooo funny. haha Let's mock alcoholic Hook, and throw in some hand-jokes as well. It will be hilarious!

7 minutes ago, Souris said:

Oooh, can we get in some fat jokes, too? Score!! We're so hilarious.

It's going to be great! Best scene ever!!

3 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

What are the odds that script tease is actually in the episode? 70/30 against? 

I so want to have something to look forward to in 6B, but nothing sounds even remotely interesting. It seems just as much of a random incoherent mishmash of stories. Is it possible that 6B could top 6A/4B in terms of horribleness?

More likely 90/10. 

2 hours ago, Souris said:

JMo & Giles filmed at the sorcerer's mansion.

I guess Adam got it wrong and that super amazing adventure would be Emma and Gideon, not Emma and Hook. By the end of the season Emma would have spent more time with Gideon than with Hook.

[Hookian]

BTW Hook, Lost Boys, and Blackbeart filmed together today.

[Souris]

Kid cast in upcoming ep. Young Gideon? Young David/James?

[Camera One]

He looks a little like David.  Well, it'd better be David. 

[PixiePaws1]

I think he looks a lot like Gideon...

Had already decided not to watch most of 6b....that sketch of Boozer Hook has not changed my mind.

[Camera One]

I guess we need him at Bae's age to tug at the heartstrings as Rumple tries hard to be a good dad.  Or maybe we get to revisit "Papa" era Baelfire for the five millionth time.

[daxx]

David has blue eyes, I'm guessing Gideon.

I'm actually ok with drunk Hook as long as it's not played for laughs. As long as he's a tragic figure that never met Emma. The man that he would have been without "until I met you" and "we understand each other".

After seeing how Emma was treated in the wish world and knowing it's one of Eddy's favorite scenes I'm tamping down the above hope and expecting the worst from it.

There will be drunk jokes, age jokes, fat jokes and hand jokes won't there? Sigh...

Seeing a hopeless Hook that never met Emma has been another of my wishes along with a no curse AU. They are going to twist both those into something ugly aren't they.

[PixiePaws1]

23 minutes ago, daxx said:

I'm actually ok with drunk Hook as long as it's not played for laughs. As long as he's a tragic figure that never met Emma. The man that he would have been without "until I met you" and "we understand each other".

After seeing how Emma was treated in the wish world and knowing it's one of Eddy's favorite scenes I'm tamping down the above hope and expecting the worst from it.

There will be drunk jokes, age jokes, fat jokes and hand jokes won't there? Sigh...

Seeing a hopeless Hook that never met Emma has been another of my wishes along with a no curse AU. They are going to twist both those into something ugly aren't they.

Sounds like you are suitably prepared.....hard to top the rampant ugliness of Emma groveling at Regina's feet and thanking her after watching her kill her parents....but I  have no doubt A&E will give it their absolute best shot.

....ye gods but I'm jaded!

[maryle]

 the problem is I am not sure I care anymore about any storyline in 6b maybe I just watch some YouTube scene. 

The Black feary centric was what I was the most curious about but the spoiler for EP. 16 are at best meh or  just weird.

 I guess it's a good thing that Emma seem finally involve in the main storyline. But, it does sound black F. will mostly be about Rumple family drama. Been there done that! 

At least Regina still is not too much involving in it.

I didn't know Blackbeard was never in Neverland I thought he was a  pirate rival  from the E. F. 

[Souris]

2 hours ago, maryle said:

 I didn't know Blackbeard was never in Neverland I thought he was a  pirate rival  from the E. F. 

There's no real indication it's Neverland. There seems to be confusion about them being Lost Boys. Apparently they were adults, not kids, and they may have been Viking-ish instead.

[KingOfHearts]

Wait. Is Blackbeard coming back too? I'm confused.

[Curio]

I told myself I'd get excited about this show again once an image of Wish Realm Hook leaked. I'm still not excited. I don't even care about the drunk/ugly/old/fat jokes they'll inevitably throw in, it's the fact that all of this is going to be completely pointless by the time Emma returns to Storybrooke. Emma will probably get 2 minutes tops with Wish Realm Hook, and she might make one offhanded comment to Hook in the real world along the lines of, "I'm really glad it's you right now." Aaaaand that will be it. There will be no consequences to Regina and Emma's trip. There will be no meaningful conversations between Emma and her parents about how she had to watch them die. Emma won't even mention how Regina callously killed them, yet refrained from killing Henry. Emma won't get to describe how it felt to be raised by her parents. Charming and Snow won't be able to share a conversation about Emma's time in the Wish Realm because they're still separated by the sleeping curse. There's literally zero point to this stupid Wish Realm stuff except to introduce Robin 2.0.

I'm actually kind of excited for whatever adventure Hook is going on. Tiger Lily? Blackbeard? Agrabah? Captain Nemo? Awesome! Hook's short multi-episode adventure is what the entirety of Season 6 should have been. I would have loved to have seen the gang realm-hop to Agrabah, Neverland, Atlantis, or wherever instead of the shitstorm we got in 6A. I can't get excited about whatever Emma and Gideon are doing because he's such a brand new character that I'm not at all invested in what happens to him. I can't get excited about Regina and Robin because...well...it's Regina and Robin. So the only thing holding 6B together is whatever the hell Hook is up to.

Edited January 18, 2017 by Curio

[Free]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

Wait. Is Blackbeard coming back too? I'm confused.

Maybe, maybe not, it seems to be a mish mash of storylines and characters that were available to them that they could just throw out there.

[Curio]

With news of Blackbeard returning in 6B, is it too much to hope for a flashback that finally shows us how Hook was able to outrun a curse by himself and find a magic bean and trade his ship to Blackbeard and travel to NYC in 3B? Hahahahaha...ha...ugh. :(

[KingOfHearts]

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With news of Blackbeard returning in 6B

Source?

[Curio]

26 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Source?

Well, Tumblr isn't really a source source. I'm just picking up from what I read on the previous page of this thread.

[maryle]

The source for the supposed Neverland or whatever with maybe lost boys and black beard is the set goer katman from yesterday.

[KingOfHearts]

20 minutes ago, Curio said:

Well, Tumblr isn't really a source source. I'm just picking up from what I read on the previous page of this thread.

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The source for the supposed Neverland or whatever with maybe lost boys and black beard is the set goer katman from yesterday.

Oh, okay. I started seeing people talk about Blackbeard and got confused because I hadn't seen him pop up in the Spoilers Only thread. Thanks for clarifying.

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Plus, it appears you can see Blackbeard on the left hand side of this photo posted by Helga Ungurait (one of the OUAT producers).

Blackbeard is one weird character. He doesn't really have a backstory. All we know of him is that he's a ruthless pirate and a rival of Hook. He's just a placeholder antagonist, really. I don't hate him but I'm not exactly fond of him either. He exists... that's about it.

Edited January 18, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Kktjones]

Plus, it appears you can see Blackbeard on the left hand side of this photo posted by Helga Ungurait (one of the OUAT producers). I have to admit I can't make any sense out of these spoilers. All I know is that JMo and Colin are definitely filming separate stories at this point. JMo with Ginny, Bobby & Giles; Colin with 1001 guest stars. 

[Souris]

26 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

6.17 is called "Awake"

Ep where Snowing curse is broken?

[KingOfHearts]

Just now, Souris said:

Ep where Snowing curse is broken?

No, it's when the audience is supposed to wake up.

[KAOS Agent]

13 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

No, it's when the audience is supposed to wake up.

They need some punctuation on the title. They would probably add an exclamation point (because this season is exciting dammit!), but I'd lean towards a question mark. 

[Curio]

55 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

They need some punctuation on the title. They would probably add an exclamation point (because this season is exciting dammit!), but I'd lean towards a question mark. 

Awake?!

I agree, this has to be the episode where Snow and Charming are reunited and their curse is broken. But I'm still thinking Emma will go under a sleeping curse at some point before this season is over. If A&E aren't 100% sure they're getting another season, they might just go all out in these final episodes because that's the last major card they've been holding onto for six years now. Maybe Emma is given the sleeping curse as a side effect of breaking her parents' curse. (Because doing good deeds on this show always comes with a price...) Sadly, I'm kind of at the point where I don't even care for a CS spell-breaking kiss, engagement, or anything big in the finale. If they wanted to build up to a huge plot like that, they should have actually focused on that relationship for longer than one episode this season. You can't separate the main couple for the majority of the season and then drastically shift gears and give them the biggest relationship beat of the finale. I know they do it time and time again (see: ignoring Robin for the majority of Season 5 and then giving him the big emotional moment in the finale), but their finales really fail to deliver any emotional punch because they're so unrelated to all the events that happened earlier in the season.

[RadioGirl27]

If Emma ends under the sleeping curse, it won't be Killian the one to wake her (he would be too busy reuniting Tiger Lilly with her long lost sister Pocahontas). It would be Regina with the PowerPoint of her true friendship. She would keep insulting and belittling her and her parents until Emma wakes up (it is what good friends do, isn't it?). Or maybe it would be Emma's new BFF, Gideon Gold (based on filming spoilers, they are developing that more than CS this half season), or her other BFF August Booth. 

Edited January 19, 2017 by RadioGirl27

[PixiePaws1]

i wonder if Gideon is holding off on killing Emma but has some sort of leverage over her and has sent Killian on some epic quest through many lands to track down whatever magical MacGuffin Gideon wants that he can't get for himself. Maybe something to reinstate his Fate that got sheared by the Shears. Meanwhile  Gideon has Emma glued to his side...maybe she took Aladdin's place as a genie and Gideon's her master. 

[RulerofallIsurvey]

16 hours ago, Curio said:

With news of Blackbeard returning in 6B, is it too much to hope for a flashback that finally shows us how Hook was able to outrun a curse by himself and find a magic bean and trade his ship to Blackbeard and travel to NYC in 3B? Hahahahaha...ha...ugh. :(

Hahahahahahaha...you are too funny.  Be careful what you wish for, remember?  No - after that Wishverse, I have no doubt they would completely screw this up and instead of Hook being the helluva captain that he is, it would all be his REAL BFF Blackbeard who did it.  

[Free]

16 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

No, it's when the audience is supposed to wake up.

Comatose would've been more appropriate.

[Shanna Marie]

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“As Captain Hook continues on his path to redemption, his dark past is never far away,” executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis tease. “He’s left a long line of adversaries and Tiger Lily is the latest to return and complicate his efforts to leave that past behind.”

Gee, let me guess, how will the episode go? In flashbacks, Hook does something to wrong Tiger Lily as part of his drive for revenge. Probably, he almost does something nice for her, but then the revenge thing comes up and he chooses revenge. Then in the present, he meets her again and does something to make up for it after her initial hostility nearly kills him. They end on much better terms now that she sees he's changed. Because we've never seen that episode before.

All of Hook's former enemies turned friends would be more interesting if there were ever any long-term payoff for all the alliances he's making, like if he got into a situation where it helped that he could call upon Ariel, Ursula, Poseidon, Nemo, Little Liam, and Tiger Lily.

[Curio]

29 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Gee, let me guess, how will the episode go? In flashbacks, Hook does something to wrong Tiger Lily as part of his drive for revenge. Probably, he almost does something nice for her, but then the revenge thing comes up and he chooses revenge. Then in the present, he meets her again and does something to make up for it after her initial hostility nearly kills him. They end on much better terms now that she sees he's changed. Because we've never seen that episode before.

You beat me to it. I was just going to describe the classic "Hook Episode 101" recipe. Do these writers have any creativity left?

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All of Hook's former enemies turned friends would be more interesting if there were ever any long-term payoff for all the alliances he's making, like if he got into a situation where it helped that he could call upon Ariel, Ursula, Poseidon, Nemo, Little Liam, and Tiger Lily.

I was thinking of something similar. It would be great if there was actual payoff for Hook making friends with these people, instead of just dropping their plots into Offscreenville forever. Maybe Hook finds himself outnumbered as he's facing off alone against Blackbeard and a bunch of henchmen, and one by one, Hook's unlikely allies could appear behind him. Instead of always punishing the heroes for doing the right thing, this could be one of the few times the show actually rewards a character for doing something good.

Edited January 20, 2017 by Curio

[KingOfHearts]

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Do these writers have any creativity left?

Nope. They're a bunch of one-trick ponies. It's infuriating.

Edited January 20, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[pezgirl7]

Wow, you guys are depressing. LOL I'm just happy that it seems like Tiger Lily will be appearing in present day, instead of just in flashbacks. Maybe the storyline won't be original, but I'm still looking forward to more Hook backstory and Neverland characters.

[Souris]

My goodness! Such originality and creativity from these writers!

Honestly, do they simply take old scripts and scratch out the character names & add new ones?

[PixiePaws1]

Yes..amd quite a few of us were looking forward to that...when the Nevengers were in Neverland..where it fit. Instead we got a complete set of totally unrelated set of flashbacks...even Hook's one flashback was for Killian and not Hook..

[Curio]

18 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

Wow, you guys are depressing. LOL 

Nah, we're just realists. ;)

[KingOfHearts]

4 minutes ago, Curio said:

Nah, we're just realists. ;)

Uncle Frank, Home Alone: "You be positive. I'll be realistic."

It still appears Tiger Lily could be Pocahontas. There's no confirmation she has anything to do with Neverland. Even though traditionally Tiger Lily is of that ethnicity, I think it's telling that they're looking for a Native American.

Fictional 1600s North America World?

Edited January 20, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

In classic OUAT fashion, Tiger Lily and Pocahontas are probably the same person... Tiger Lily is just a nickname Hook gave her in Neverland when they had a brief fling.

I'm still really confused why Hook is going on this adventure by himself. I don't need Hook and Emma attached at the hip all the time, but if we're building up to an engagement in the finale, shouldn't they have one realm-hopping adventure alone together this season? If the writers were able to send Regina and Emma to two different realms away from the rest of the main cast this season (three if you include the Season 5 finale), couldn't they find a way to give one realm-hopping adventure episode to Emma and Hook? But even if it's not Emma accompanying Hook, why not send Snow? We could have finally gotten the first legitimate Hook/Snow team up in the show's entire history. Maybe they would have even spoken to each other for more than 2 minutes! Or why not Charming? Or Belle? Heck, even Zelena would be interesting. It just seems odd to isolate Hook for multiple episodes so close to the show's potential series finale.

If we get a Season 7, I won't be so upset about this. But if this is the final season? Oh boy...

Edited January 20, 2017 by Curio

[Selina K]

I went to put this in social issues, but I think this is still a spoiler - someone please tell me they are not going to say Tiger Lily is part of the "Piccaninny tribe" like it says in the article.  There are entire doctoral theses written on why this is problematic.

[Souris]

18 minutes ago, Curio said:

I'm still really confused why Hook is going on this adventure by himself. I don't need Hook and Emma attached at the hip all the time, but if we're building up to an engagement in the finale, shouldn't they have one realm-hopping adventure alone together this season? If the writers were able to send Regina and Emma to two different realms away from the rest of the main cast this season (three if you include the Season 5 finale), couldn't they find a way to give one realm-hopping adventure episode to Emma and Hook? But even if it's not Emma accompanying Hook, why not send Snow? We could have finally gotten the first legitimate Hook/Snow team up in the show's entire history. Maybe they would have even spoken to each other for more than 2 minutes! Or why not Charming? Or Belle? Heck, even Zelena would be interesting. It just seems odd to isolate Hook for multiple episodes so close to the show's potential series finale.

It's because they don't care about Emma's relationships with anybody but Regina at this point. They could have easily had Emma & Hook or Emma & somebody else, but they didn't -- because they don't care.

It is very odd to isolate Hook so much from every single other main character for such a long stretch of episodes. It could be they're simply catering to the the anti-Hook SQers who say he's not needed, getting him out of the core story so they can simply fast-forward all his scenes. It's also possible (but not likely) they're "testing" a future Hook spinoff following his adventures. In whatever case, it's weird.

3 minutes ago, Selina K said:

I went to put this in social issues, but I think this is still a spoiler - someone please tell me they are not going to say Tiger Lily is part of the "Piccaninny tribe" like it says in the article.  There are entire doctoral theses written on why this is problematic.

Somebody asked Adam on Twitter and he said no, they're NOT using that tribe name. So at least they're THAT aware. (Or more likely somebody told them.)

[maryle]

Actually, I am upset all hook storyline are always similar. So, it is hard to be really exciting for more.

And, no a Hook only adventure is not a CS epic adventure with full romance and passion.

If it all we got to be leading at a proposal.  CS deserve better than this after all this year.

I will have to conclude that at the end rumbelle and OQ have a more epic, romantic and passionate love story if it is the end of CS. I won't even mention snowing. At least their stories are about each others and they have real centric.

Edited January 20, 2017 by maryle

[Free]

Just now, Souris said:

It's because they don't care about Emma's relationships with anybody but Regina at this point. They could have easily had Emma & Hook or Emma & somebody else, but they didn't -- because they don't care.

It is very odd to isolate Hook so much from every single other main character for such a long stretch of episodes. It could be they're simply catering to the the anti-Hook SQers who say he's not needed, getting him out of the core story so they can simply fast-forward all his scenes. It's also possible (but not likely) they're "testing" a future Hook spinoff following his adventures. In whatever case, it's weird.

The last spinoff flopped and the main series is already very weak this season.

[Curio]

5 minutes ago, Souris said:

It's also possible (but not likely) they're "testing" a future Hook spinoff following his adventures. In whatever case, it's weird.

You know...if we don't get a Season 7...I could totally get on board with a Hook spinoff. I'm not ready to say goodbye to this character come May.

[KingOfHearts]

Just now, Curio said:

You know...if we don't get a Season 7...I could totally get on board with a Hook spinoff. I'm not ready to say goodbye to this character come May.

He is so repetitious I could say goodbye to him right now.

[Curio]

1 minute ago, KingOfHearts said:

He is so repetitious I could say goodbye to him right now.

This whole show is repetitious. Literally every single plot line right now is recycled from a previous season.

I really just need to know if we're getting a Season 7 ASAP. It's going to be hard to interpret spoilers of the final few episodes if we don't know if they're wrapping everything up, or just a few loose threads.

[RadioGirl27]

11 minutes ago, Souris said:

Somebody asked Adam on Twitter and he said no, they're NOT using that tribe name. So at least they're THAT aware. (Or more likely somebody told them.)

I'm sure he is reading the Wikipedia entry right now to see why people is concerned and rewriting the scripts.

All this is a pointless adventure to keep Hook away from Emma so the SQ shippers are happy, and if they can drag him through the mud, even better. And really, it won't be anything exciting,  the F plot of the episodes at best.

[PixiePaws1]

Only spin off that i would have been interested in seeing is a Emma/Hook as bailbonds bounty hunters in Boston or another big city..maybe Miami so she could drag him to Disney World on occasion...and visits with Snowing...but this would never happen.

[Kktjones]

1 hour ago, Curio said:

if we're building up to an engagement in the finale

I'm starting to wonder if this will even happen. I know we have the ring in the promo that may or may not be for Emma, and we have a spoiler of Hook asking David's permission to propose, but I am starting to think there may never be an engagement. If this is the final season I could see an impromptu wedding of some sort in the finale, but I just don't think this is the kind of show where two people get engaged and then there's wedding planning, then the wedding. If there is a season 7, maybe the engagement will happen during the finale, but I am still guessing they will never actually get engaged, they'll skip straight to the wedding if anything.

54 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

He is so repetitious I could say goodbye to him right now.

Seriously! I am a huge Hook fan, but I'm getting so tired of the same old storyline with him. Did he honestly survive all those centuries with absolutely no allies or friends? Guess A&E just needed to get one more shot at dragging his character through the mud b/c they didn't do enough damage last season... 

[PixiePaws1]

40 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

I'm starting to wonder if this will even happen. I know we have the ring in the promo that may or may not be for Emma, and we have a spoiler of Hook asking David's permission to propose, but I am starting to think there may never be an engagement. If this is the final season I could see an impromptu wedding of some sort in the finale, but I just don't think this is the kind of show where two people get engaged and then there's wedding planning, then the wedding. If there is a season 7, maybe the engagement will happen during the finale, but I am still guessing they will never actually get engaged, they'll skip straight to the wedding if anything.

Seriously! I am a huge Hook fan, but I'm getting so tired of the same old storyline with him. Did he honestly survive all those centuries with absolutely no allies or friends? Guess A&E just needed to get one more shot at dragging his character through the mud b/c they didn't do enough damage last season... 

I honestly don't know which is the lesser of 2 evils....Hook sitting idly and being a Regina cheerleader with his 'Regina will bring her home' OOC crap *vomit* or yet another wash&repeat of his angsty 'i was a villian and awfully mean to <insert name>....i don't deserve Emma' bi-annual angst fest.

Where are my Emma/Killian and Snowing hijinks?????

[Curio]

9 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Where are my Emma/Killian and Snowing hijinks?????

Forever lost in Season 3.

[RadioGirl27]

51 minutes ago, Kktjones said:

I'm starting to wonder if this will even happen. I know we have the ring in the promo that may or may not be for Emma, and we have a spoiler of Hook asking David's permission to propose, but I am starting to think there may never be an engagement. If this is the final season I could see an impromptu wedding of some sort in the finale, but I just don't think this is the kind of show where two people get engaged and then there's wedding planning, then the wedding. If there is a season 7, maybe the engagement will happen during the finale, but I am still guessing they will never actually get engaged, they'll skip straight to the wedding if anything.

Nah, there is not going to be engagement, or wedding, or adventure for CS. Like it would never be a TLK or a domestic scene in Emma's house (I'm not going to call it their house until I see him actually living there). For that they would need to be together on screen and that is not going to happen. If they share a minute of screentime in 6B I would be surprided (and I'm talking about real Hook, not whatever caricature we are getting in the wishverse).

[maryle]

Honestly, I really don't think any spin off would work at a real replacement at Best they could gain 1-2 year.

The fact that I more certain that rumbelle will share a tlk  this season than CS will even have a meaty story line in the final ( maybe the series final, the rating will be tell) is a proof of all is wrong with this show.