Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Curio]

I'm kind of amazed at how much of a nonentity Hook is this season. He literally has had no arc outside of his one centric episode. What is his motivation and goal right now? Help Emma? That's everyone's goal at the moment too. There's nothing in the spoilers to tell me he has any major character arc coming up either.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Curio

[KingOfHearts]

33 minutes ago, Shanna Marie said:

Here's the bit I love:

So it's a real place, but it wasn't murder for Regina (remember, the "good" half) to kill Snow and Charming in front of Emma.

And Rumple is off to slaughter real villages.

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Will we see Pan and the Black Fairy interact? 
HOROWITZ: Can’t say. If you are asking if we’re going to see Rumple conceived, I’m going to say the Black Fairy and Malcolm conceived him, not Pan.

Because Pan and Malcolm are totally separate people, like the Evil Queen and Regina!

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HOROWITZ: The condition of Regina’s heart becomes very important.

When is it not important?

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 Your bookshelf is real but the characters inside the books on the shelf are not! 

Yes, but characters in books can't kill me or react to anything I do. 

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You know the spoilers are crap when @CAMERA ONE is still hanging around here.

Oh dear. I think I've created another meme for PTV. Potato cult, evil vampire bunnies, TS,TW, and now Camera One in the spoiler thread.

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Will we get to see Roland again? 
KITSIS: Can’t say.

"Can't say" means, "We didn't think about it until you asked."

But seriously - who came up with these questions? They're the dumbest I've ever seen in a Hot Seat. I learned absolutely nothing.

Edited December 20, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

1 hour ago, Curio said:

I'm kind of amazed at how much of a nonentity Hook is this season. He literally has had no arc outside of his one centric episode. What is his motivation and goal right now? Help Emma? That's everyone's goal at the moment too. There's nothing in the spoilers to tell me he has any major character arc coming up either.

A&E clearly listened to the loud Hook-haters & CS-haters from last season. Neither of them has a story this season or likely will have one. They've been totally sidelined. Practically written off.

[RadioGirl27]

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Will an important character really die without coming back?
KITSIS: Yes. Or no. Can’t say.

The audience patience is the only thing dying and not coming back.

37 minutes ago, Souris said:

A&E clearly listened to the loud Hook-haters & CS-haters from last season. Neither of them has a story this season or likely will have one. They've been totally sidelined. Practically written off.

Yeah, this. A&E doesn't care about Hook, never have (that's probably why his redemption arc is so good). He is and always have been a prop for Rumple and Emma. The truth is that Regina is their only priority, the only one they care about and the only one they want to write for. This is Regina's fairytale, not Emma's.

[Camera One]

1 hour ago, KingOfHearts said:

"Can't say" means, "We didn't think about it until you asked."

LOL.  We can pitch in and write a A&E Translation Guide when all this is said and done.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Camera One

[Rumsy4]

1 hour ago, Souris said:

They've been totally sidelined. Practically written off.

Yeah. They've been replaced with twice the amount of Regina. It really is obvious who A&E have been listening to.

[Camera One]

So far, Hook has two references.  A version in the Wish Realm, and another centric with Finding Nemo.  That would be the typical amount that Belle or Charming gets in a typical half-season.  This year, though, with Gideon, Belle seems to be in a more central role so maybe she and Hook switches places on the totem pole?  

I don't believe A&E do not care about Hook, though.  Lots of other characters would be lucky to have so many scenes with Emma these last few seasons.  Yes, he doesn't match Regina but who can?

Edited December 20, 2016 by Camera One

[maryle]

What I read ! They sound so distant in this about the characters and story they created.  Well, if the Regina exception of course. 

There's nothing for Emma at all or cs for that matter.

The only time they elaborate is about Regina naturally and just confirm what everyone knew. People can't just cutting their own shadow but have to deal with it.  

Sorry, I was looking for to be exciting but this killed any interest for 6b.

[Mathius]

2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Because Pan and Malcolm are totally separate people, like the Evil Queen and Regina!

Actually, they are separate identities, so I get what he's saying here.  And it makes me hopeful that we might be seeing Stephen Lord again.

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I'm kind of amazed at how much of a nonentity Hook is this season. He literally has had no arc outside of his one centric episode. 

Yeah, it's 4B all over again.  He only just had his one centric there as well.

[YaddaYadda]

I think everyone should just ignore the hot seat questions from now on.

First, they are rage inducing.

Second, they are rage inducing.

Third, they tells us absolutely nothing, unless the episodes have already aired, which why would they ask if we will find out who accelerated Belle's pregnancy when we were told at the end of the episode the EQ did it?

Fourth, it's the occasion for Eddy to troll anyone and everyone because he thinks he's being funny.

Fifth, they are rage inducing.

[KingOfHearts]

I actually wish 6B had some new franchise to play with. There's nothing marketable about it. No one wants to see more of Aladdin and Jasmine. I would be willing to move on to just about anything at this point. Unless you're dying to see Robin or on the edge of your seat over the Rumpbelle drama, you have no good reason to watch.

Edited December 21, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[YaddaYadda]

I think that bringing robin back for 3-4 episodes has changed their plans and they pushed everything back. And the double dose of the Regina twins has overstayed its welcome. The Robin cliffhanger is clearly a ratings gimmick, so let's see how that goes for them. Whatever this new version of Robin is, I'm thinking that people will not be enamored with it.

This is the first time I don't care when the show comes back from hiatus or if it ever comes back, that's how bitter I am about 6A. 

[Camera One]

They had nothing for Robin Hood before, so I don't see how they could have anything for him now.  The ship has sailed.  Let it go.

There's an episode called "Page 23" coming up.  Who the hell cares about that anymore.  Maybe that actually is a moment from The Wish Realm.  When Aladdin is no longer The Genie, The Wish Realm will dissipate like mist and so will Fake Robin Hood.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

1 hour ago, maryle said:

Sorry, I was looking for to be exciting but this killed any interest for 6b. 

Well, I wasn't really looking forward to 6B, but I know what you mean.  Whatever little interest I had in 6B is now dead.  From the start, I thought (and still think) those looking forward to some Emma/CS epic adventure are sure to be disappointed.  Let's face it - A&E are lying liars who lie.  If they promise it, (unless regarding EQ) it won't happen.  The only reason, and I mean the ONLY reason I'm going to watch is because I'm looking forward to the snark I can read on this forum.  I'm a bitter-ender also.  But this board makes it so much more palatable.  :D

Fwiw - this is the first time I can recall feeling like this, and I've watched OUAT from the premiere.  Even the other B seasons about which I see a lot of complaints; I was excited for the show to come back on.  But not this time.  

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

I think everyone should just ignore the hot seat questions from now on.

Just the hot seat questions?  Or everything?  ;)

[Kktjones]

Since I am doing everything I can to ignore the rage-inducing (TM Yadda Yadda) hot seat, I thought I'd mention a spoiler I hadn't seen discussed here yet. Last week Bex posted a picture on Snapchat that included what looked like it could be the enchanted tree used to make the magical wardrobe. This led to speculation that Emma & Regina use it to get back to Storybrook and then use it again to send Wish!Robin back to that realm in "Page 23." We know that the original wardrobe could only bring two people over, so I wonder if Emma goes to Hook to ask him for additional enchanted wood (from the Jolly) so they can bring Robin with them as well.

[maryle]

Ok,  little hivernal rant from someone who really thought it was Emma's fairytell and all her relationship was the heart of the show.

I really feel they are diminishing Emma as the protagonist of the show at a point where it will be hard to come back for the probable Final season.

1). Her relationship with her parents is second to their relationship with Regina at this point. Regina is replacing her with Snow and Snow is the heart of snowing even if I love Charming he doesn't have the importance of Snow in the story.

2) the return of OQ gave a epic love story that they hope could compete with CS I know Robin won't stay ...for now but he could be brought back next year by supposed popular demand.

3) CS is definitely sidelining this year and the audience don't see the important step in their relationship anymore. We are told Hook move in but not show.

4) Emma herself, her story, her relationship, her symbol is diminished or in the background. Honestly, just comparing the screen time and the problem is obvious. I don't buy the simplistic reason that the EQ is the big bag. The season big bag should be to show case you're protagonist not swallow all the show.

Really hard to see how with every other storyline Emma or cs  Storyline cannot be rush in 6b. They will have a storyline ( the famous proposal but how can it be a good build up proposal)

There just to much and include too many other characters in her story.(Jasmine, Aladdin, Jaffar, Belle, Rumple, Black faery, Gideon)  they wait too long but there still time for more EQ and OQ prise2. She doesn't have her own story the Savior storyline is share with Aladdin and Gideon wanting to kill her is share with the Gold.

That was their priority. Well, I will mostly pass on 6b. But, will not cry if their rating drop some more.  I will be amuse to see how they will marketing next season. More Regina! Sure her fans will love it. But, I am sure they going to want to win back the Emma, Hook and cs fans. Wedding?? Sure, I want a engagement ring wedding but what I really want is a real storyline for them and the Charming families.

Edited December 21, 2016 by maryle
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[InsertWordHere]

2 hours ago, Kktjones said:

Last week Bex posted a picture on Snapchat that included what looked like it could be the enchanted tree used to make the magical wardrobe. This led to speculation that Emma & Regina use it to get back to Storybrook and then use it again to send Wish!Robin back to that realm in "Page 23." We know that the original wardrobe could only bring two people over, so I wonder if Emma goes to Hook to ask him for additional enchanted wood (from the Jolly) so they can bring Robin with them as well.

The original wardrobe could only bring over two real people, since the tree is real but Robin is not (even though we're supposed to feel something about his return but nothing about the deaths of not!real Snow and Charming), he can hop on with real Regina and real Emma. Or maybe Regina only counts as half a person since her other half is in Storybrooke. Pinnochio was more of a real boy than either Robin or Regina, apparently. 

Or the writers will make up any rule they want. Your speculation of Emma getting wood from Hook does sound nice, but I don't want Emma looking up not!real Hook just to get his wood, no matter how enchanted it is. I regret nothing about that last sentence. Nope.

[KingOfHearts]

Doesn't Stealthy come to Storybrooke too, or am I just imagining things?

[PixiePaws1]

1 hour ago, InsertWordHere said:

Your speculation of Emma getting wood from Hook does sound nice, but I don't want Emma looking up not!real Hook just to get his wood, no matter how enchanted it is. I regret nothing about that last sentence. Nope.

Thank you...this is likely the ONLY entertaining thing about 6b....and it won't even be in the show!

[KAOS Agent]

Adam & Eddy gave their typical dumb responses to the questions, which can be annoying, but to be fair, they only answer the questions asked. And those questions were really terrible. If you want clicks for your article, you should pose a question for each major character and/or continuing storyline so that all fandoms get engaged. This one managed to ask a whole ton of irrelevant questions and basically ignored Rumpel, Hook, Belle, Henry, Snowing, Zelena & Emma in terms of their potential storylines in 6B and reminded the audience that half of Snowing will be skipping episodes. That doesn't help the writers grow interest in 6B. If you only care about Regina, I guess it's helpful, but even there, it wasn't much. This was just a pointless exercise all the way around. 

Edited December 21, 2016 by KAOS Agent

[Rumsy4]

3 hours ago, InsertWordHere said:

 Your speculation of Emma getting wood from Hook does sound nice, but I don't want Emma looking up not!real Hook just to get his wood, no matter how enchanted it is. I regret nothing about that last sentence. Nope.

You win the internet for 6B. ;-)

[Kktjones]

11 hours ago, InsertWordHere said:

Your speculation of Emma getting wood from Hook does sound nice, but I don't want Emma looking up not!real Hook just to get his wood, no matter how enchanted it is. I regret nothing about that last sentence. Nope.

OMG - I just spit out my tea. 

10 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Doesn't Stealthy come to Storybrooke too, or am I just imagining things?

I think this rumor started b/c there were reports of Regina (in Storybrooke clothes) filming with the dwarves - including Stealthy. We now know it was when she runs into them in the wish realm.

[Camera One]

Question: How long will the Snow and Charming curse last on Once Upon a Time? —Shelly

Ausiello: The sleeping curse that afflicts the marrieds one at a time “is not something that stretches out for the rest of the season,” says co-creator Eddy Kitsis. But until it is lifted, “We’re going to see that toll that it takes on Charming, who toward the end of the [fall] run looked sleep-deprived, going dark and off the rails. Without his ‘calming center’ around, and without much sleep, he can get into some real trouble!”

This would be a consequence of the Sleeping Curse, so it's not a bad idea.  BUT I'm afraid it will just be an excuse for Charming to act like a completely idiot making rash decisions with no forethought and consulting no one.  It would be one thing if they used the lack of sleep to explain his actions in "Wish You Were Here" but they didn't.  The question is why not.  I also question that Charming would go off the rails without his "calming center".  Charming has been without Snow a lot in the past, and he has generally kept it together.  Before he met Snow, he was a pretty calm guy.  Knowing the shallow-ness of the writing, I can see A&E using this to have Charming cause more plot problems that the "heroes" will need to solve later.

[KingOfHearts]

Ugh. I have a feeling the Sleeping Curse plot is going to end abruptly in the middle, much like Jekyll/Hyde. Because you know - S6 is not like other seasons! Unexpected turns at unexpected times... yadda, yadda, yadda. It's not that I want to see the curse stretched out, but it's very messily placed in the narrative. It doesn't have any point in existing other than to create artificial angst. We know it's not part of the central conflict, but to, as Camera One puts it:

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have Charming cause more plot problems that the "heroes" will need to solve later.

The Robert murder plot will probably take place while Snow is asleep. That doesn't give me much hope.

Edited December 21, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Free]

On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2016 at 1:36 PM, KingOfHearts said:

Ugh. I have a feeling the Sleeping Curse plot is going to end abruptly in the middle, much like Jekyll/Hyde. Because you know - S6 is not like other seasons! Unexpected turns at unexpected times... yadda, yadda, yadda. It's not that I want to see the curse stretched out, but it's very messily placed in the narrative. It doesn't have any point in existing other than to create artificial angst. We know it's not part of the central conflict, but to, as Camera One puts it:

The Robert murder plot will probably take place while Snow is asleep. That doesn't give me much hope.

It's rinse, lather, and repeat with the similar plot points.

[KingOfHearts]

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It's rinse, lather, and repeat with the similar plot points.

Didn't we already see David deal with King George while Snow was away in 2A? 

As much praise as the Sleeping Curse plot has gotten, it's just a repeat of 2A. It's just Snowing dealing with the same separation angst they've had since S1. They haven't developed as a couple at all. 

Edited December 23, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Mathius]

On 12/21/2016 at 0:03 PM, Kktjones said:

I think this rumor started b/c there were reports of Regina (in Storybrooke clothes) filming with the dwarves - including Stealthy. We now know it was when she runs into them in the wish realm.

Maybe they had Stealthy but cut him because his death happened well before the curse was cast, it not being cast shouldn't have mattered there.

It'd be yet another case of them forgetting their own timeline, only in this case they caught the mistake early on.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Mathius

[Free]

9 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Didn't we already see David deal with King George while Snow was away in 2A? 

As much praise as the Sleeping Curse plot has gotten, it's just a repeat of 2A. It's just Snowing dealing with the same separation angst they've had since S1. They haven't developed as a couple at all. 

Yes, exactly, these are clear examples of how repetitious this series has gotten.

[KingOfHearts]

"Unifying theme"... right. Like how 4B was unified by the theme of inner darkness. I believe the question has to do more with "why are the plots so chaotic and random" than actual settings. A consistent setting is only one technique in making a story coherent. Steady tone and theme is too advanced for these writers.

Edited December 23, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Free]

6 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

"Unifying theme"... right. Like how 4B was unified by the theme of inner darkness. I believe the question has to do more with "why are the plots so chaotic and random" than actual settings. A consistent setting is only one technique in making a story coherent. Steady tone and theme is too advanced for these writers.

They say these vague words all the time, each season, in fact when they're doing these interviews.

[Mathius]

Also, how many seasons have they said a theme they'd explore is "what is a happy ending?"  I'm still not clear on the answer, btw.

[Camera One]

From the Alt Merriam-Webster Adam-Eddy dictionary:

Definition of A HAPPY ENDING 

1  :  whatever eludes Regina.

2  :  having a nice moment, and then constantly having people want to kill you/your family or destroy your life [for heroes].

3  :  an even better life than you have now, which is already pretty sweet since you have all the power and you destroy other people's happiness [for villains].

Edited December 24, 2016 by Camera One

[Curio]

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Yes, the show will be jumping around between the wish realm, Storybrooke, Agrabah, and the dark realm in the back half of the season, but the frequent flyer miles that OUAT is going to rack up aren’t what you’re expecting.

 

I didn't realize we'd actually be going to the dark realm in 6B. Will it be anything like the Dark Hollow?

It does kind of sound like they might be splitting up some of the characters in 6B, though. I could see Rumple, Belle, and Gideon going to the Dark Realm with the Black Fairy, Regina and Robin will probably stick around Storybrooke once they return from the Wish Realm, Snow and David will be stuck in Storybrooke because of the sleeping curse, and Hook might get to go to Agrabah because of his ties with Captain Nemo and his comment he made to Milah about traveling to places where the air smells like spices. The only one I have no clue what they'll do with is Emma. It would make sense for her to help a fellow Savior out in Agrabah and maybe spend longer than 5 minutes with her boyfriend this season, which means she probably won't go there.

I'm still super uninterested in 6B, though. It's like all the joy I used to have for this show has been sucked dry. Even if we end up having a fun adventure in Agrabah for the last six episodes, that's such a small blip on the radar compared to the rest of the crap we've been given this year. 

Edited December 24, 2016 by Curio

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5 hours ago, Curio said:

I didn't realize we'd actually be going to the dark realm in 6B. Will it be anything like the Dark Hollow?

It does kind of sound like they might be splitting up some of the characters in 6B, though. I could see Rumple, Belle, and Gideon going to the Dark Realm with the Black Fairy; Regina and Robin will probably stick around Storybrooke once they return from the Wish Realm, Snow and David will be stuck in Storybrooke because of the sleeping curse, and Hook might get to go to Agrabah because of his ties with Captain Nemo and his comment he made to Milah about traveling to places where the air smells like spices. The only one I have no clue what they'll do with is Emma. It would make sense for her to help a fellow Savior out in Agrabah and maybe spend longer than 5 minutes with her boyfriend this season, which means she probably won't go there.

I'm still super uninterested in 6B, though. It's like all the joy I used to have for this show has been sucked dry. Even if we end up having a fun adventure in Agrabah for the last six episodes, that's such a blip on the radar compared to the rest of the crap we've been given this year. 

That sounds like an even messier version of 2a, with the characters split up in different realms.

[Camera One]

5 hours ago, Curio said:

I didn't realize we'd actually be going to the dark realm in 6B. Will it be anything like the Dark Hollow?

If they really wanted a re-tread, they'll have Emma go there and she would really have to resist turning evil because she's vulnerable due to being a previous Dark One.  So she and Regina will have to stay strong together so they don't slide into their evil ways.  You know, like the time that evil Emma sped up Zelena's pregnancy... they mentioned that several times in 5B.

[KAOS Agent]

I find it really amusing that a show that has multiple instances of villages being slaughtered somehow thinks magically speeding up a pregnancy the most evil thing ever. I'd be cool with having a two month pregnancy.

I think the trip to Dark World will be Black Fairy and/or Gideon flashbacks. I don't think any of the Storybrooke characters will go there. We know they head back to Agrabah and I'm praying that's Emma & Hook going while Regina cries about Robin on Snow's possibly sleeping shoulder.

[legaleagle53]

On 12/24/2016 at 7:18 PM, KAOS Agent said:

I find it really amusing that a show that has multiple instances of villages being slaughtered somehow thinks magically speeding up a pregnancy the most evil thing ever. I'd be cool with having a two month pregnancy.

3 hours ago, XrystalPond said:

Seriously. There were times in my pregnancies that I thought time stopped. 

 

You should get Emma's recipe for Magic Onion Rings, then.  I can never eat them now without thinking of their effect on Zelena -- and I'm a guy!

Edited December 26, 2016 by legaleagle53

[Camera One]

In the Teasers, they said Wish Realm Henry and the palace forces will be after Regina.  

But why doesn't Regina just put a glamor spell on herself?  Or make another fake Snowing?  Put a fake memory spell on Fake Henry?  Or Emma tells the kingdom that she caught Regina and she is in jail?  

It's such a non-problem but we'll probably see Regina and Emma running from the law like Thelma and Louise or Bonnie and Clyde.

Edited December 26, 2016 by Camera One

[YaddaYadda]

11 minutes ago, Camera One said:

In the Teasers, they said Wish Realm Henry and the palace forces will be after Regina.  

But why doesn't Regina just put a glamor spell on herself?  Or make another fake Snowing?  Put a fake memory spell on Fake Henry?  Or Emma tells the kingdom that she caught Regina and she is in jail?  

It's such a non-problem but we'll probably see Regina and Emma running from the law like Thelma and Louise or Bonnie and Clyde.

Or you know, they can just start yelling that no one in that realm is real except for Robin because Regina said so.

[KAOS Agent]

They just want an excuse to open the season with Henry riding heroically across a cinematic landscape because this show has zero creativity left and that's what they always do.

[KingOfHearts]

1 hour ago, KAOS Agent said:

They just want an excuse to open the season with Henry riding heroically across a cinematic landscape because this show has zero creativity left and that's what they always do.

Someone needed to call that out. S1, 2A, 3B, 5A (sort of) and 6A all started with the same horse riding bit. Please not again.

[Free]

2 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Someone needed to call that out. S1, 2A, 3B, 5A (sort of) and 6A all started with the same horse riding bit. Please not again.

That's what they do when they're running on empty, it's more apparent now than ever.

[Camera One]

Yay.  Love Jasmine.  

[Rumsy4]

24 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Yay.  Love Jasmine.  

:-p

[KingOfHearts]

26 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Yay.  Love Jasmine.  

We're all getting too good at sensing each other's sarcasm.

[Souris]

Liam 2.0 actor posted on IG that he's back in Vancouver next week. Stands to reason since we know already Captain Nemo is back.

Let us not hope that Emma meets this brother. That didn't work out how we wanted with the first Liam.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Souris

[KAOS Agent]

Emma needs to kick his ass for kidnapping her kid. Hook can take care of himself and is fair game. Taking Henry was not cool.

[PixiePaws1]

On the plus side...maybe we're right in that the Nautilus is how they get to Agrabah ...and Faran on my screen and sharing scenes (hopefully!) With Colin and Jen...will make me smile a whole lot!

Just have to survive the garbage of the first few eps.....!

[KingOfHearts]

The Nautilus episode was one of the most filler episodes of 6A, so it's odd that we're getting a continuation of it in 6B. I really don't care about it at all.

6B is shaping up to be the most boring and unoriginal arc yet.

[Camera One]

32 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

The Nautilus episode was one of the most filler episodes of 6A, so it's odd that we're getting a continuation of it in 6B. I really don't care about it at all.

Yeah, that was my first thought too.  I mean, on paper, I'm glad there's actual continuity and one-and-dones actually have purpose.  But the guest characters in that episode were bland and I'm not keen on revisiting the shallow story they told again.