Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[RadioGirl27]

It's written by A&E themselves, so it's going to be terrible, with lots of baiting and fan pandering, and it would make little sense, just like the season 4 finale. They keep talking about going back to Season 1 but everything is a (bad) redux of Season 4, that was already terrible.

[Free]

8 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Not necessarily. They always write the last episode of the fall and the first episode of the winter. I wish they just wouldn't write.

Also, AUs are stand alone episodes and I don't know why they would do that in the middle of the season like that.

It seems like a lot of similarities to the 2 parter AU episodes, only this time it's midseason instead of the finale.

4 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

It's written by A&E themselves, so it's going to be terrible, with lots of baiting and fan pandering, and it would make little sense, just like the season 4 finale. They keep talking about going back to Season 1 but everything is a (bad) redux of Season 4, that was already terrible.

Their ideas of S1 are bringing back old characters for some cameos and rehashing some of the same storylines.

[KingOfHearts]

I wouldn't mind an AU-type scenario if it wasn't something reversible. Like, I would want a new reality. Not just a "what if" situation for two episodes. That sounds really risky, but the show has nowhere else to go.

[Free]

3 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I wouldn't mind an AU-type scenario if it wasn't something reversible. Like, I would want a new reality. Not just a "what if" situation for two episodes. That sounds really risky, but the show has nowhere else to go.

That would require actual consequences for this show though.

[Mathius]

4 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

They keep talking about going back to Season 1 but everything is a (bad) redux of Season 4, that was already terrible.

They also said 5B would be like S1.  And it kind of was for the first few episodes...then Zelena and "Zades" came in and that all went out the window.

Edited November 3, 2016 by Mathius

[KingOfHearts]

2 minutes ago, Free said:

That would require actual consequences for this show though.

True. But that's the only way it would be remotely interesting.

[Free]

1 minute ago, KingOfHearts said:

True. But that's the only way it would be remotely interesting.

Hence the current problems with this show.

[YaddaYadda]

I really wonder how they're planning on ending the season.

And I also wish we knew how many episodes Sean Maguire is supposed to be back for. At least that way, we'll have an approximate idea on how long this effery will last.

[Mathius]

5 hours ago, Souris said:

I'm not excited about this AU because it'll almost assuredly be used to show that Regina's curse was actually a blessing for everybody, not a curse, and they should all get down on their knees and thank her. And "twisted" does not inspire confidence in the hands of these writers. Watch it be like Emma is marrying August, Snowing hate each other, crap like that.

I am dreading this very thing.  Watch it be an AU based on if Regina had met Robin in the tavern, and everything goes to shit as a result.

So much for Regina choosing hatred, anger and power over the possibility of love being a bad thing, eh show?

[Souris]

So pretty much everybody but Ginny is filming tonight.

Now I'm bouncing around a theory that EQ has done something to Snow, perhaps as part of some spell to bring Robin back. The EQ does still want her heart. So that would be a BIG reason why Robin would have to ultimately "die" again, in order to save Snow. (As a friend pointed out, this would mean this time hero Regina would choose Snow when faced with her love's death, not blame her for it.)

I'm not sure how that would work with Charming still walking around fine. Maybe they both grew whole hearts from each half of Snow's, like lizards can regrow their tails, LOL!

[PixiePaws1]

Ok...so Emma not dressed as she saw in her vision and here is a pic of her giving Killian a big hug with Henry looking on

https://mobile.twitter.com/morrisonoghue/status/794378739597484032/photo/1

I think this plays into what the Oracle said about whatever path Emma takes she dies on that day.....except we all know she won't really....

[RadioGirl27]

Rebecca Mader was the other regular that wasn't there. 

Morpheus being the one under the hood makes no sense at all, but that's nothing new with this writers. 

[PixiePaws1]

8 minutes ago, RadioGirl27 said:

Rebecca Mader was the other regular that wasn't there. 

Morpheus being the one under the hood makes no sense at all, but that's nothing new with this writers. 

Maybe the person under the hood is different to the one that Emma sees in her vision...as in a hooded figure runs her through but because of whatever shenanigans took place to try and change the outcome Morpheus ends up in the hood in this version. Perhaps the only surety is that Emma is there, fights and fails...everything and everyone else present can change..??

We could end up with several versions of the fatal fight before they realise this will always be the outcome.

[KingOfHearts]

So here's what I think. Rumple uses the destiny shears to make his son dark so he'll love him. However, since the cloaked figure is already Emma's destiny without the shears, it could be that the figure's identity gets changed to Damien. (When it was supposed to be Rumple or something?) Or, perhaps, the shears don't change destiny at all and this is another BS Author thing.

I wonder why magic users can't just heal the stabbing wound Emma gets.

[Rumsy4]

23 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Bts from "Tougher than the rest" (X, X).

Only Sean is in EF clothing. Either this is a past version of him, unnaturally ripped from his time, or this is how he dresses in the afterlife. 

I like the theory that EQ exchanged Snow's (half)heart for Robin's life. It shouldn't work, as Robin is not Snow's True Love (lol), and how is Charming alive?? But that at least goes toward explaining why the EQ wanted Snow's heart. OTOH, if she's macking on Gold, how much does she really want Robin back? And why Robin and not Daniel, as she seems like a twisted throwback version of Regina? Also, as Zelena is missing as well, maybe this means she's dead too--killed by either Rumple or the EQ. Maybe Zelena + Snow's half-heart helped the EQ solve for x and bring Robin back (and keep David alive).

Rumple definitely seems to have used the shears on the sonogram pic to alter fetus Damien's path (yet again, Belle's good intentions and trust towards Rumple lead to her betrayal by him). And somehow that made him be born, grow up rapidly, and turn evil?? Or is he somehow from the future, out to change his destiny in the past, when a climactic event took place, and he wants to prevent it? Did Rumple merely want to make Damien love him, or did he cut the bond between mother and child? Will we even find out??

Right at the beginning, I suspected that the cloaked figure might be Rumple because of the dusky red color of the poof as they made Emma's sword disappear. Turns out son's magic takes after daddy's. Or son killed father, and took over as the DO. In fact, that will be pretty much the only reason for Rumple to regret using the Shears. 

These spoilers are certainly interesting. 

Edited November 4, 2016 by Rumsy4

[PixiePaws1]

So much to pick through in those BTS pics. Looks like blocking a scene with Emma punching grown-up Rumbaby.

Would be very interested to know if the CS hug was filming/rehearsing or BTS....

[maryle]

My understanding.

1) Robin Hood is the one from the E.F or a ghost  still dressing in E.F.

2) CS will be separated, so the Hook Emma is with in the au is different.

3) Morpheus is the hooded figure . Maybe the EQ is also not there anymore. 

[Shanna Marie]

You'd think Damien would be nicer to Emma, considering Emma's boyfriend has been the only person looking after Damien's mom during her pregnancy. But I guess he must take after Dear Old Dad.

[Souris]

There were some spoilers that Robin interacted only with Regina. So people were speculating he wasn't really there. What if Robin is like Regina's "Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future" in an A Christmas Carol type thing? (Of course, it's not like Robin interacted with many people when he was alive, so it may mean nothing.)

Also, final scene of the night was a Hook/Charming talk.

[KingOfHearts]

Robin seems different to me, and it's not just the costume. Has he always had such a huge bow? He looks more confident.

It would have been hilarious if Robin came back, only for it to be the Tom Ellis version. Regina would be like, "Who the hell is this?" Too bad the actor was busy.

Edited November 4, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[Mathius]

So...that second sneak peek...JAYZUZ, what happened here?  After weeks of wackiness, Lana Parilla is all of a sudden pulling off her old-school EQ acting, she's actually creepy and intimidating in this scene!  The only slightly funny part of it was her dead-on Ginnifer Goodwin impression.

Speaking of which, poor Ginny, all she gets to do is just stand there while Lana monologues. Always this show's biggest waste of a great actress. 

Edited November 4, 2016 by Mathius

[KingOfHearts]

Yeah, that was definitely S1/S2 Evil Queen. Much more subtle, less cartoony. You can sense the extreme jealousy and hatred. Love it.

[Souris]

I couldn't get this video to play past nine seconds, even trying three different browsers, but others who did get it to play tell me it looks like everybody is frozen until Emma stabs Morpheus/the hooded figure, and then they run to her.

[CCTC]

As cringe-worthy as the southern accent come-on was at the end of last episode, I thought the EQ came off as genuinely creepy in the last moment when she said she wanted Snow's heart.  The second sneak peek carries that further.

I agree about Ginny being wasted.  When given the right material, she is as good as anyone on the show.  As bad as the episode was I thought her work in Shattered Sight and then the mix-up world at the end of that season was good and subtly different.  At the time, I was kind of wishing they would have had her take the dark one's role for season 5.  I think she could have been quietly menacing.   I also think it would have mixed things up more.

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, Mathius said:

So...that second sneak peek...JAYZUZ, what happened here?  After weeks of wackiness, Lana Parilla is all of a sudden pulling off her old-school EQ acting, she's actually creepy and intimidating in this scene!  

I blame the writers for this. I thought Lana did a good job in her scenes in 6x03 with Henry and Emma. The dialogue was good about Emma being taken off the chessboard. And then they went campy. 

That episode was co-written by Jane E, and this episode is written by Jane alone.

[Mathius]

Quote

KITSIS: All these characters are tested because this is a show about hope and you can't have hope if everything goes well. If everything goes well, you don’t need to have hope. You just need to be happy. So for us, this is a show about how do you find happiness when life throws curveballs at you.  The fans have to understand that even though we are doing heightened things like spells, and monsters and curses, it's no different than everyday. Everyday you wake up and you don’t know what kind of day you're going to face, or what month you're going to have, and you can look at challenges one of two ways: I'm going to embrace it and figure out a way to conquer it, or I'm going to crumble and fall. So each character will continue to be tested, but it is a show about hope, and if we believe and we have hope, maybe we'll have nice things in the end.

Oh my God, the condescension....

Eddie, believing and having hope that maybe we'll have nice things in the end when there is literally nothing to actually SHOW that this is a possibility, and more things are happening that go directly AGAINST this belief, is not hope.  It's blind delusion.  If you don't actually GIVE your characters moments of happiness and catharsis to show that even in the tough times there is the possibility for nice things, then their "hope" rings hollow.

Also, we should count how many times the characters actually "figured out a way to conquer" their challenges vs. them just getting lucky.

Edited November 4, 2016 by Mathius

[maryle]

After reading the Leanne article 2 things come to my account.

1) they reaffirm again that Robin return is temporarily and not the same Robin.

2) I felt that even if they said they are not writing this season as a possible final. The fact that they begin to suggest a possible CS wedding or engagement. ( They are the only cannon couple with both half living and not married. ) It does seems that they beginning to buckle up some loose end. Just in case.

Edited November 4, 2016 by maryle
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[Mathius]

1) Yeah, it seems the AU Robin stays in Storybrooke by the end of 6x11, so we'll have him around a while longer.

2) It's more likely they know that next season is their last, and they need to start the endgame at the end of this season.

[CCTC]

I am not as negative on A&E as some, but their comments on Gold and Belle always make my skin crawl a bit.  They have long past crossed to being an abusive relationship past the point of no return.  There should be no discussion of love winning out for them.  Hey kids - your significant other has betrayed you again and again, but if you keep coming back to him, maybe he will finally change.  Belle probably should never have been made a regular cast member and Gold probably should have been killed off or deposed after about three seasons.

[Selina K]

In other shocking news: 

Will Regina finally do more heroic stuff for the rest of OUAT season six, like stop her evil-self and live to tell the tale?
Take it away, Kitsis! "We are going to continue to see the heroism of Regina, and she will be tested like never before," he said.

Riveting.  I have never ever seen this before.  Next you will tell me this will be the season of Snowing, we will have a Season 1 feel, and Emma will continue to fight against her walls.

[YaddaYadda]

Why do people ask the same questions over and over? Domestic CS has been asked about like at least twice before that I remember. RB always gets the same answer and Regina is still heroing. Fandom and the writers both lack imagination.

[RedKeep]

Those Leanne interviews always make me cringe. She knows her audience and adapts to that, I guess, but all that obsessing about ships and your run of the mill, generic shipper stuff is just so not for me. Both in her interviews and on the show.

Kitsis managed to come across like a douche again, no surprise there, and them still clinging to that "a show about hope" nonsense is straight up depressing and sad. The most interesting thing to be pulled from that interview is the bit about Robin Hood not being the Robin we know, but I suspect (at least for me) that's also really more about not everything being 1000% obvious from the start and whatever they actually wrote for him will still end up being disappointing comparing to the various theories fandom's having fun with for now.

[YaddaYadda]

5 minutes ago, RedKeep said:

Kitsis managed to come across like a douche again, no surprise there, and them still clinging to that "a show about hope" nonsense is straight up depressing and sad.

It's a talent at this point. So they throw stuff at the characters because the show is about hope, and if they didn't do that then characters would just be happy? I can't deal with these kinds of answers. I think the concept of hope on the show is long gone.

[Souris]

The wedding question came off like baiting, the RB answer is cringe-y, and the answer about happiness is table-flippy. Hey, guess what, it's not like everyday because people generally HAVE SOMETHING HAPPY HAPPEN SOMETIMES in real life. It's not all angst and death unless you're living in someplace like Syria at the moment.

They also didn't actually ANSWER the question about Emma & Hook talking about her death.

[YaddaYadda]

7 minutes ago, Souris said:

They also didn't actually ANSWER the question about Emma & Hook talking about her death.

Because they won't talk about it. That stuff is lame because it's a character drive moment and not a plot point, and we know they're allergic to anything character driven. They throw the answer to the whole she lied, he lied, and the secrets because that's really what they enjoy writing about, people lying and keeping secrets. 

Is there a couple on this show that hasn't lied and kept secrets? Snowing? The list is long and extensive. Rumple to Belle I don't know how many times, CS with stuff that always has to do with death for some reason. 

Everytime A&E do interviews, I just wanna start screaming into the night. Just don't do interviews if you don't wanna spoil things, or figure out a way to talk about your show in an intelligent manner.

[Rumsy4]

That Sneak Peek 2 was definitely old school Evil Queen. However, I'm so tired of the same old same retread of Regina being jealous of a young girl. So, these feelings were still inside Regina as recently as a week or so ago? Wonderful. That sure makes me root for "hero" Regina's tough moments in this arc.

[Mitch]

13 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

That Sneak Peek 2 was definitely old school Evil Queen. However, I'm so tired of the same old same retread of Regina being jealous of a young girl. So, these feelings were still inside Regina as recently as a week or so ago? Wonderful. That sure makes me root for "hero" Regina's tough moments in this arc.

Actually this time I think they are actually being realistic with human nature and kinda, in Once twisted logic, makes it understandable that she would split.  The reason that Regina is considered...and I hate this word so much "heroic," (as opposed to Snow and Charming who are considered heroic and they are just blandly good and nice..) is that she does have these feelings still and she is actually managing to keep them under control not just because of Henry or trying to win over Storybrooke but because as she said in the finale, she knows they are wrong..but she still has them. Hence the splitting with her evil side.  I think anyone can relate to feeling negative towards someone but knowing that it is wrong to do so.

[Kktjones]

So I just saw a spoiler that the Rumbelle baby's name is Gideon. I'm laughing because I looked it up and the first definition I saw was "In Hebrew the meaning of the name Gideon is: Destroyer One who has a stump in place of a hand." I saw people joking that Belle would name it after Killian, so in a way, I guess she did! 

Edited November 5, 2016 by Kktjones

[KingOfHearts]

Finally a baby not named after a dead person.

[KAOS Agent]

It's probably named after Belle's heretofore unknown long dead older brother.

[Rumsy4]

18 minutes ago, KAOS Agent said:

It's probably named after Belle's heretofore unknown long dead older brother.

Totally. We'll find out in the next Belle flashback.

[ParadoxLost]

On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 0:00 AM, Souris said:

So pretty much everybody but Ginny is filming tonight.

Now I'm bouncing around a theory that EQ has done something to Snow, perhaps as part of some spell to bring Robin back. The EQ does still want her heart. So that would be a BIG reason why Robin would have to ultimately "die" again, in order to save Snow. (As a friend pointed out, this would mean this time hero Regina would choose Snow when faced with her love's death, not blame her for it.)

I'm not sure how that would work with Charming still walking around fine. Maybe they both grew whole hearts from each half of Snow's, like lizards can regrow their tails, LOL!

I'm now heading firmly down the path that they have to put both halves of the heart into one of them to break the sleeping curse.    But because then one would have no heart, they seek out a time travel or AU version of one of them to do the kissing.

Not sure that would work or that Charming or Snow would be anymore thrilled with another version of them doing the kissing than Hook was at the idea of Emma encountering past Hook.

[PixiePaws1]

Omg....so Emma and Killian get separated AGAIN...!!!

I guess we get another extra special ep of Regina snarking and insulting Emma..*vomit*

[Souris]

8 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

I'm now heading firmly down the path that they have to put both halves of the heart into one of them to break the sleeping curse.    But because then one would have no heart, they seek out a time travel or AU version of one of them to do the kissing.

Not sure that would work or that Charming or Snow would be anymore thrilled with another version of them doing the kissing than Hook was at the idea of Emma encountering past Hook.

Regina was able to TLK Henry without a heart. But of course, REC.

[Mari]

7 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

I guess we get another extra special ep of Regina snarking and insulting Emma..*vomit*

I think there's some sort of quota--getting one or two of those a season is the price we pay for anything nice in the show.  I figure that's what the FF button is for.

2 minutes ago, Souris said:

Regina was able to TLK Henry without a heart. But of course, REC.

Well, Regina feels with her soul.

The others don't have souls. 

[Mathius]

58 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

I guess we get another extra special ep of Regina snarking and insulting Emma..*vomit*

I don't think so, split-Regina has been pretty nice and civil so far.  She doesn't need to snark and insult anyone, we've got the EQ for that.

Edited November 7, 2016 by Mathius

[PixiePaws1]

I thought there were anvils galore in this ep.

Killian reminding Emma of her parents' True Love journey..you know, just in case she just happens to get sucked into a twisted alternate world via a mirror where that journey or absence thereof is the key to getting back.

Learning about the extraordinarily powerful magical True Love sapling (seriously, though, is that the stick Snow had up her butt every time she said something rude to Emma?) getting mangled but we see how it was created so Emma can find the magical baby tree created by Emma and Killian in the past, which given Emma's status as a True Love baby, makes their magical baby tree the most powerful of all? Or was it a metaphor for a True Love Squared Baby Swan-Jones being instrumental in saving Mom, because the shears of Fate were used?

Breaking the True Love sapling in half and making a point of mentioning putting it back together....reuniting Snow's heart or reuniting the CS magical sapling that probably gets snapped in half ...maybe it gets pruned with the Shears of Fate!

Regina wearing an arrowhead necklace that I don't think she has ever worn before..because Robin is coming back...

I could go on...but you're all so clever I have no doubt you already noticed these and the others.

[Curio]

10 hours ago, Mari said:

I think there's some sort of quota--getting one or two of those a season is the price we pay for anything nice in the show.

 

Since when do we get nice things?

There really does seem to be a quota, though. When's the last time Emma got to have an exciting A-Plot adventure alone with just Snow or Charming? Belle? Rumple? I know the writers can write interesting combinations because they already did it with Hook and Henry, they just choose not to most of the time. 

[mjgchick]

Does anyone know Emma and Hook are true love or is the writers going to give the rest of the characters a surprise that they? As in it will be revealed to everyone else when they need a true loves kiss or whatever? 

[RadioGirl27]

But, are they really True Love? The scene was ambiguous enough that the writers can backtrack there if they want to.