Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[mjgchick]

I am for one shocked that Hook chose the woman who murdered him over the man who raised him. That toxic ship has got to go.

[InsertWordHere]

I'm interested to see what kind of message Snow and Charming want to send to Neal and how well he will understand it. Maybe the magical British red telephone box gets face time? Or they're just sending the message to babysitter Blue, who's also in this episode. Maybe she can translate to baby? She does speak bug.

[HoodlumSheep]

I am for one shocked that Hook chose the woman who murdered him over the man who raised him. That toxic ship has got to go.

Lol. So toxic. I'm ready for my heart to be ripped out and stampeded upon when 5x15 airs when Hook has to choose between his two true loves. Although I won't be watching until monday or tuesday.

I'd love to see Belle push Rumple into one of the rivers after she learns the shocking news. Sadly, we know that's not happening any time soon (or probably ever) because Rumple's still walking around in later episodes. :(

Edited March 24, 2016 by HoodlumSheep

[Shanna Marie]

Okay, after the new sneak peek, what do you bet that Liam has some dark secret that Killian doesn't know about? Possibly that he's working for Hades, but also possibly about something he did in the past. When Killian was going on about how the only reason for Liam to be stuck in the Underworld was Hades because he never did a wrong thing, I just knew that there has to be something he doesn't know that would disappoint him if he learned about it. Possibly what we'll see in the flashback.

[SiobhanJW]

Okay, after the new sneak peek, what do you bet that Liam has some dark secret that Killian doesn't know about? Possibly that he's working for Hades, but also possibly about something he did in the past. When Killian was going on about how the only reason for Liam to be stuck in the Underworld was Hades because he never did a wrong thing, I just knew that there has to be something he doesn't know that would disappoint him if he learned about it. Possibly what we'll see in the flashback.

I thought the same thing! Too much Foreshadowing.. oh he's the best ever.. why would he be here? Then in the Flashback we find out why he's there and i'm assuming that is why he's stuck. 

[HoodlumSheep]

*curls up and weeps*

Killian Jones loves his brother so darn much!!!! And yeah, it definitely means Liam has done something shady of some sort.

Edited March 24, 2016 by HoodlumSheep

[PixiePaws1]

Do you think Hades actually wants them to find the book? I wonder if he has Cruella working Henry and Liam working the others just so he can get his hands on the book and an Author....

[HoodlumSheep]

Do you think Hades actually wants them to find the book? I wonder if he has Cruella working Henry and Liam working the others just so he can get his hands on the book and an Author....

This could be a smart plan...

Of course Killian specifies "you two" as being trapped in the Underworld and fails to include himself.

[Serena]

Holy revisionist history, Killian! "He even died trying to stop a corrupt king from poisoning his people." NO HE DIDN'T. He suffered from the common OUAT sickness, being Too Stupid To Live!

[HoodlumSheep]

Holy revisionist history, Killian! "He even died trying to stop a corrupt king from poisoning his people." NO HE DIDN'T. He suffered from the common OUAT sickness, being Too Stupid To Live!

Well...at least Liam was heading back to do something about the king. So, at least the intention was there.

Heck it's closer to the truth than Hook claiming Emma defeated Pan and the Wicked Witch (in which she did neither)

*shrugs* Add in a dash of hero worship and Tada! I guess?

Edited March 24, 2016 by HoodlumSheep

[mjgchick]

Hook would say Emma cured cancer even if she didn't because he worships her. He'd say Liam ended World Hunger before he died. lol I am kind of glad Hook gets to see that everyone has flaws this season.

Edited March 24, 2016 by mjgchick

[InsertWordHere]

Okay, after the new sneak peek, what do you bet that Liam has some dark secret that Killian doesn't know about? Possibly that he's working for Hades, but also possibly about something he did in the past. When Killian was going on about how the only reason for Liam to be stuck in the Underworld was Hades because he never did a wrong thing, I just knew that there has to be something he doesn't know that would disappoint him if he learned about it. Possibly what we'll see in the flashback.

Before this sneak peek was posted, I read a theory on tumblr that Liam will do something duplicitous in the flashback in order to get them a reward or recognition from the crown. I really think this poster was on the right track. I think he either killed or cheated Long John Silver and the Jones brothers were either allowed to join or get promoted in the Navy because of whatever Liam did that Killian doesn't know about. Edited March 24, 2016 by InsertWordHere

[YaddaYadda]

Before this sneak peek was posted, I read a theory on tumblr that Liam will do something duplicitous in the flashback in order to get them a reward or recognition from the crown. I really think this poster was on the right track. I think he either killed or cheated Long John Silver and the Jones brothers were either allowed to join or get promoted in the Navy because of whatever Liam did that Killian doesn't know about.

 

It's interesting, but it seems as thought the mutiny that happens is on Silver's ship, so I don't know, although I do think he's done some not so great things because it wasn't just him and his safety, but also the one of a younger brother who likely depended on him.

 

As far as him not knowing why he hasn't moved on, I'm pretty sure he knows.

 

I thought that until the book was mentioned, Emma seemed kind of off. Or is it just me?

[Rumsy4]

Heck it's closer to the truth than Hook claiming Emma defeated Pan and the Wicked Witch (in which she did neither)

 

She did defeat Zelena when the latter tried to kidnap Henry. And she was the leader of the Neverland expedition. She captured the Shadow, made the map work, figured out Henry was Pan, etc.. So, even if she wasn't the one to cast the killing blow, she has defeated them both. ;-) 

[PixiePaws1]

I thought that until the book was mentioned, Emma seemed kind of off. Or is it just me?

Just watched it again..you know, in the interests of having it fresh it in my mind and not for any gratuitous fangirling...I'd say she looks very introspective and definitely happy for Killian to see his brother. the look she has in the scene still on the website is almost of awe...just my 2cents...hmm..perhaps another viewing would clear it up for me...

[Rumsy4]

Before this sneak peek was posted, I read a theory on tumblr that Liam will do something duplicitous in the flashback in order to get them a reward or recognition from the crown. I really think this poster was on the right track. I think he either killed or cheated Long John Silver and the Jones brothers were either allowed to join or get promoted in the Navy because of whatever Liam did that Killian doesn't know about.

Agree. And when Killian finds out, he is going to be so mad. This time, it will be Emma's turn to help Killian forgive a family member for lying to them.

And if Liam did something shady to free himself and his brother from slavery, that would explain a lot.

[CheshireCat]

Rumsy4, on 24 Mar 2016 - 6:30 PM, said:Rumsy4, on 24 Mar 2016 - 6:30 PM, said:

She did defeat Zelena when the latter tried to kidnap Henry. And she was the leader of the Neverland expedition. She captured the Shadow, made the map work, figured out Henry was Pan, etc.. So, even if she wasn't the one to cast the killing blow, she has defeated them both. ;-) 

 

I guess defeat depends on your definition of defeat. Since Zelena is currently still running around and still wicked, I'm not sure anyone has defeated her yet and I found Regina's choice of words a couple of episodes ago really interesting. I wouldn't have quite phrased it as Snow having defeated her but then, I guess, defeat does mean/include eliminating the threat, so that would have happened by Snow befriending her.

Generally, I'd say it was a team effort. I don't think anyone could have done anything without the others and that had been Emma's pitch at the beginning of S3 and that is how they've operated ever since and probably will continue to do so.

Edited March 24, 2016 by CheshireCat

[Serena]

Generally, I'd say it was a team effort. I don't think anyone could have done anything without the others and that had been Emma's pitch at the beginning of S3 and that is how they've operated ever since and probably will continue to do so.

I agree. But, as evidenced by the premiere of S3, the team would have not worked together as well without Emma to lead. Unpopular opinion, I guess, but I also don't think Killian puts Emma on a pedestal. He loves her and thinks she's awesome, of course, but he's more than aware and capable of acknowledging her flaws, he just loves them as well ("I liked your walls..."). That is completely different from the blind hero worship he feels for Liam, going as far as insisting he's such a good man, he can't have any unfinished business. He sees Emma clearly and always has, while he's still in child/little brother/follow your captain mode with Liam.

[mjgchick]

I think he worships them in different ways. He's said nothing but nice things about Emma since the day they met and only recently realized she does has flaws when she had turned him into The Dark One and again when she hesitated to trust (I don't know why he was still shocked about that since that was one of the first things he noticed about her.) him with Excalibur.  Mean while with Liam he thinks he can do no wrong. He's so consumed to Liam being a good guy he doesn't even question why Liam has unfinished business and likely will think HE's Liam's unfinished business when it's probably whatever he did to get him stuck in the Underworld.

Edited March 24, 2016 by mjgchick

[YaddaYadda]

I think he's always seen Emma for who she really is, her pedestal is a different one though. One thing remains true, Hook did not expect Emma to lie to him or betray him the way she did with the Dark One issue. I don't think he's expecting his perfect brother to be lying to him about anything either.

[mjgchick]

I think he's always seen Emma for who she really is, her pedestal is a different one though. One thing remains true, Hook did not expect Emma to lie to him or betray him the way she did with the Dark One issue. I don't think he's expecting his perfect brother to be lying to him about anything either.

 

Exactly. I bet Liam's dilemma will be the same dilemma Emma had when she had to save him by turning him into DO Hook. Maybe it will get Killian to understand why Emma did what she did also if someone else who loved him had to do something similar. Killian forever doesn't think he deserves to be rewarded but Liam and Emma believes in him that they'll do anything to prove to him.

[OnceUponAJen]

I agree with the speculation about Liam. I wonder if Hades is blackmailing him....threatening to tell Killian whatever it is that he did. I think it does have to do with Captain Silver. Whatever it is, I hope it isn't something that took away Killian's agency in any way, since that is really his hot button issue.

[mjgchick]

If Liam is threatened to manipulate Killian and Co to leave him in The Underworld its technically taking away his agency. Liam might be protecting Killian the same way Emma was.

[KAOS Agent]

Did anyone else notice that even though Pistachio is in the Underworld, there is zero mention of Robin dealing with that development in the press release?  It's all about Regina's squabbles with her sister. 

[Rumsy4]

Womp womp 

[retrograde]

Glad to see Liam his ditched his Australian accent for a made-up-English one, even if it still sounds nothing like Hook's made-up-English one.

[Rumsy4]

Colin's dog filmed for the flashback, I wonder how that will fit into everything...

Sadly, Colin's dog won't be in the episode. A fan asked him at the recent Van Con.

Glad to see Liam his ditched his Australian accent for a made-up-English one, even if it still sounds nothing like Hook's made-up-English one.

I thought his accent sounded different from Good Form.

[KAOS Agent]

I don't watch the sneaks, but seeing the gifs of some of it does help to clarify where the episode is going. Poor Hook is going to have his image of his perfect brother shattered. I know that Emma's lie detector only seems to work when the plot calls for it, but I think here it's more that Emma is well aware that no one is that perfect and that Liam is definitely stuck for a reason that he's aware of. It doesn't even have to be a bad thing. Henry wasn't stuck because of his actions resulting in death/misery of others. He was stuck because of his regrets about Regina. Hercules was stuck because he didn't defeat Cerberus. Meg was stuck because she was afraid or something. These people know what their regrets/unfinished business are. Why wouldn't they just assume that Liam was there because he regretted being an idiot who poisoned himself and leaving his younger brother alone? I love this ridiculous notion that Hades trapped Liam for no reason because he's ever so perfect when Emma knows Neal moved on and he'd done tons of shady stuff.

[mjgchick]

I wish it was that Neal admitted he royally screwed Emma over. He forgave Rumple before he died but homeboy never took responsibility for his actions when it came to Emma. I wish they had made him apologize at least once but these writers seem to think what he did is absolved because he stupidly sacrificed himself.

[YaddaYadda]

Reading about Merida in the other threads (and we know she's coming back for 2 episodes), am I the only worried about the next Disney character they're bringing in for 6A and trying to wedge into their insane asylum arc? Because Merida in Camelot did not work at all.

[mjgchick]

I don't think we'll ever get what Frozen did for OUAT last season. Frozen was the biggest movie in 2013. Then they tried to cram Ursula (who wasn't the real one.) and Cruella and that didn't work. In fact it tanked the ratings. If Zootopia were humans maybe? It sounds like A/E wants to bring on Princess Tiana, Jasmine and Aladdin. I could see them retconning Emma going to Mardi Gras and meeting Tiana a lost Princess from The Enchanted Forest because none of her real world friends ever seem to not be EF people. lol

Maybe they should make Jamie a series regular since they are killing off Robin.

Edited March 25, 2016 by mjgchick

[Selina K]

Is there any chance the mental institution thing is a casting misdirect? Like we got with Rumple's grandmother (Merida) and Robbie Kaye (initially random Lost Boy)?  I'm just struggling to see how to fit Once into a mental asylum.  The Man in the Iron Mask or some weird Dr Jekyll / Mr Hyde in the Frankenstein world are all I'm coming up with and I just can't see it.  Doesn't prevent them from doing it, but I just can't see it.

[YaddaYadda]

Maybe they should make Jamie a series regular since they are killing off Robin.

 

I'm seriously blanking out on who Jamie is. All I can think about is Jamie Lannister for some reason, and that's where my brain is stuck. Since those crazy kid Lannisters aren't coming to Once...

[SiobhanJW]

I'm seriously blanking out on who Jamie is. All I can think about is Jamie Lannister for some reason, and that's where my brain is stuck. Since those crazy kid Lannisters aren't coming to Once...

I think she is talking about Jamie Chung who plays Mulan! Haha.

Edited March 25, 2016 by SiobhanJW

[Serena]

I think she's been cast in a Pilot. But if it's not picked up...

[YaddaYadda]

I think she is talking about Jamie Chung who plays Mulan! Haha.

Makes so much more sense than Jamie Lannister. That was a pretty epic fail on my part.

 

I think she's been cast in a Pilot. But if it's not picked up...

She has, but the pilot is also shooting in Vancouver, which I'm sure the writers can work something out between them if it came down to it. Although I could see A&E be, "we gave it a fair shot, but Jamie (not Lannister) has her own show now."

Edited March 25, 2016 by YaddaYadda

[mjgchick]

Heehee at least both Jamie Lannister and Jamie Chung can be seen on Sunday nights.

[Bishop]

Its possible they have slept together. There are plenty of things that happen off screen on this show. 

That's one thing that I'm 99.999% sure is that it did not happen off screen.  Part of the CS story is that everything is done slowly.  Season Two, they were introduced.  Season Three was them realizing they had feelings for each other.  Season Four was about them falling in love.  Season Five is about obstacles and keeping them apart, first as Dark Ones and now as being trapped in the Underworld.  I don't think we are going to get a big love scene since this is ABC Family television, but all the other couples got their moment.  Snow and Charming; Regina and Robin (even though it was crypt sex) and even Belle and Rumple.

 

As for those who believe that because Milah mentioned that she'd been with her lover and her son, and Emma didn't say anything that it confirms she slept with him, Emma doesn't comment on a lot of stuff people confront her with all the time.  It's more true to say that she has been in love with both men. I mean Emma JUST admitted that she even loved the guy to start off this season.  So when exactly did they find time to sleep together between her becoming the Dark One and then him becoming the Dark One and then him being killed by her?  I guess stranger things have happened . . . but I'm still going to stick with the idea that they did not sleep together until it's proven otherwise.

 

Regarding the mental institution spoilers and Snow, Charming, and Hook possibly going through a portal, I like it.  Granted, I am getting very tired of the portals, but I do think that OUAT needs to focus some attention on the Charmings.  I mean, when was the last time those two had a story?  I can't even remember, and I like the idea of Hook spending some time away from Emma and with her parents.  I like the David Hook relationship.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Bishop

[formerlyfreedom]

"Have Emma and Hook slept together?" - NOT spoiler discussion. Please take further discussion on the topic to Speculation, to Relationships, to another appropriate topic. Which isn't here.

 

No posts have been edited/deleted, but will be from this point forward.

 

[KingOfHearts]

I'm interested in how Zelena/Hades (don't know which ship name is sticking yet) will unfold. It's such an odd pairing but it sounds fun. We haven't seen a villain OTP since Rumple/Cora. I can't wait see how they meet and how their relationship plays into everything.

[Rumsy4]

I'm interested in how Zelena/Hades (don't know which ship name is sticking yet) will unfold. It's such an odd pairing but it sounds fun. We haven't seen a villain OTP since Rumple/Cora. I can't wait see how they meet and how their relationship plays into everything.

 

How about Green Devil? I think I'm gonna wait until I see their chemistry on-screen. At any rate, it looks like she is not going to accept his offer, whatever it is. From the looks of things, Zelena is going to play a big role in getting the Nevengers out of the Underworld. 

[mjgchick]

Zelena might not be to happy that Hades tortured half of her ship. Let's be honest that's obviously the only reason why she didn't take his offer.

[KingOfHearts]

I don't know, I'm pretty sure she digs the angst. She nearly drowned Hook for it. ;)

[janett snakehole]

After reading some discussion about Mulan today, it brought to my attention that we don't have any indication that Mulan or Red are in more than a few episodes mid arc right? And I have to wonder with the set picture of Red sitting on a gravestone, does that mean she dies? I really hope A&E realize what a mistake it would be to introduce a same sex relationship only to kill off one of the women. Maybe she just finds her way to the underworld, but after seeing a few episodes and learning about how underbrooke works and remembering filming pics, I have to wonder. Thoughts? 

[KAOS Agent]

I wouldn't worry about Mulan and Red. My guess is that they took Snow home to Baby Snowflake so that Ginny could do her Zootopia promo. They probably used the silver slippers to do so. I don't think Ginny was seen filming after the Ruby Slippers episode. And they sure as hell aren't killing off a Disney princess, so Mulan is fine.  

[Mari]

 I really hope A&E realize what a mistake it would be to introduce a same sex relationship only to kill off one of the women. 

I have to agree with Kaos Agent--I think Mulan's fine.

 

But, well, no.  I don't think they'd realize that killing off Mulan after introducing the same sex relationship would be a problem.  I think she's fine because they wouldn't kill off a Disney Princess.

[mjgchick]

Yeah, seeing how its trendy to kill off lesbians as a shocking twist is a thing I can see them doing it but no way would Disney allow them to kill her off. Robin Hood on the other hand better start having people call him Princess Robin if he wants to survive out here in these streets.

[janett snakehole]

I don't think they would kill Mulan, I was more wondering about Red because of how the group found her in the cemetery, but if they're going with a Robin death then they probably won't kill anyone else. 

[KingOfHearts]

There were some set pictures of Mulan and Ruby in a place with fancy lamps. From the Decay promo, I was able to confirm they were in Oz. It looks like they go to where Hades and Zelena had some sort of date.

Edited March 28, 2016 by KingOfHearts

[janett snakehole]

Double date?? :P