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Mathius

Mathius

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Spoilers say Regina and Rumple filmed in China Town, not Regina and Emma.  This is still 5x22.

 

My guess is that Snowing & Hook get sucked through the portal. Emma, Regina, Henry & Violet return to discover this has happened, and that's what will be filmed in Steveston next week. Cliffhanger will be them plus Zelena going through the door portal to find the others.

 

No, I'm pretty sure 5x22 ends with the door, and 5x23 is all about what's on the other side, setting up next season.  The reason we've seen so much more being filmed for 5x22 and not 5x23 is that 5x23 is going to be mostly filmed indoors.

 

Also, Zelena gets sucked through the portal first.  Snowing follows.  This was seen and recorded being filmed.

 

We still have no confirmation if Hook also gets sucked in or not, though he likely does.

 

but what does Zelena have to do with anything, and will she be responsible for Robin's death or disappearance?

 

 

If she does, then nobody must know about it, since Snow is clearly distraught when Zelena is sucked through the portal.

 

Personally, I doubt she has anything to do with it at all. If Robin dies, I suspect Arthur is involved.

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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

Curio
Curio

At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

Souris

Souris

I thought we saw Violet going through the door?

Damn, Emma and Hook just got each other again. Stop separating them. Also? Stop separating Emma from her parents. You've been doing this since she got out of the womb.

 

Amen to that!!

 

I've seen people say that Violet was there, but I haven't seen the source of this rumor. I never saw her when I looked at pics, though I probably didn't see them all. If Violet is there, it makes no sense that Henry, Regina & Emma wouldn't be there. I think Henry/Violet are in NY at the same time that the Camelotians are preparing to go home and Emma & Regina are running around SB looking for them. Then they find out they went to NYC and go after them, while the rest of the Camelotians go home & the others are sucked through.

mjgchick

mjgchick

How does Emma not have a complex? lol I really hope we do get to see Snowing and co in the other side of the door. I just don't care to see Emma stuck with Regina when we could've had Emma/Charming together for once working together. We've had Emma/Snow, Emma/Hook, Emma/Elsa and Emma/Regina all work together but nothing really with Emma and her father.

I just realized Hook and Emma gets to be both Hercules and Meg. Hooks probably going to choose Emma over going to where ever the hell finished business people go too. While last week Hook was the damsel in distress (he'll be fine.) and Emma was the heroic God.

RadioGirl27

RadioGirl27

Either way, the characters being sucked through the door and the reveal of what's on the other side (mental ward) seems like it's going to be the end of 5x22.  5x23 will be a lot of that other side (mental ward) and how it leads in to Season 6.

After everything he has gone through this season, the idea of the season ending with Hook away from Emma and locked in some weird mental hospital makes me incredibly sad.

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pezgirl7, on 23 Mar 2016 - 11:50 AM, said:pezgirl7, on 23 Mar 2016 - 11:50 AM, said:

I thought it was both, but now I can't find where I read it! So maybe Hook isn't there. :(

 

In these pics, it looks like Robin sends Roland off with Little John, Robin and Regina disagree about something, and then Zelena shows up looking all happy, and then maybe her hand gesture is her poofing away. I'm thinking Roland is sent away for his own safety, but what does Zelena have to do with anything, and will she be responsible for Robin's death or disappearance?

 

There was another set of similar pictures posted a few days ago and those led me to believe that whatever happens to Robin they might have knowledge about and might even be his choice. The pics have made me wonder if he's saying goodbye to Roland, possibly before he dies.

If Zelena were responsible for anything, I doubt anyone would entrust her with the wand, let alone let her run around town freely and without the magic-binding cuff.

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

I'm 80% sure Zelena gets some kind of redemption in 5x19.

 

I think she helps them leave the UW. Something huge has to happen for her to be able to do magic for one, and she is being trusted in helping the gang from Camelot cross over, and she's using the Apprentice's wand.

 

The fact that she is allowed to wield magic is very telling. Maybe they actually trust her with something and she comes through? 

scenicbyway

scenicbyway

I don't think 5.23 will have much to do about setting up the next season.  They've always set up the next season in literally the last 2 minutes of the episode.  The setup will be the 2 guys and the mental hospital, maybe the gang ends up there, but the focus of the episode won't be on the hospital.  It could be Regina and Emma looking for Gold, Violet and Henry in NYC.  I suspect that Violet doesn't want to go back to Camelot and Henry doesn't want to lose his first love, cue them in  NYC.  Gold probably has some kind of reason to leave town, my guess is to find Belle.

 

I know we'll never get another Captain Swan movie, but the idea of 2 hours of Regina and Emma looking for Henry while Snowing and Hook are relegated to something dumb in Storybrooke, just grates.  The whole season has been about Hook and Emma defeating the darkness with their love for each other.  There better be some kind of payoff for the darkness and torture they've endured.  And not just a 30 second scene in a hallway where she gives him back his soul before ducking out to find Henry with Regina.  I still can't figure out why it's so important to the story that Regina and Emma are friends.  Regina stole Emma's childhood and family for 28 years, it's ok to not be friends.  Co-parents, maybe, but I'm guessing that a Court would give Emma custody, since Regina tried to kill her several times.

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Shanna Marie

Shanna Marie

Is Robin supposed to die in 521? Maybe Regina hasn't gone off the rails because either she's concentrating on saving Henry in 522, or maybe she thinks there's still a way to bring Robin back?

Given the way they've been written in this arc so far, she's probably forgotten who he was -- just some random guy who seems to have followed her into the Underworld for some odd reason.

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RadioGirl27

RadioGirl27

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Zelena gets redeemed while Hook keeps suffering. So fair and exciting.

I still can't figure out why it's so important to the story that Regina and Emma are friends.  Regina stole Emma's childhood and family for 28 years, it's ok to not be friends.  Co-parents, maybe, but I'm guessing that a Court would give Emma custody, since Regina tried to kill her several times.

It's not important for the story. It's queerbaiting.

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Mathius

Mathius

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Maybe this is a direct result of the huge SQ meltdown and walk-outs due to the 5A finale. The writers are panicking and trying to entice them back by making a "SwanMills Family" finale, since they are very vocal that it should take precedence over CS (or OQ, for that matter.)

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scenicbyway

scenicbyway

Maybe this is a direct result of the huge SQ meltdown and walk-outs due to the 5A finale. The writers are panicking and trying to entice them back by making a "SwanMills Family" finale, since they are very vocal that it should take precedence over CS (or OQ, for that matter.)

But the writers don't write for a particular fandom...

 

Even if Robin is dead forever we've had a million declarations of love between Killian and Emma this year, she's literally gone to hell for him.  If they want to pair Regina with a woman, fine, but it can't be Emma.  I know people want to see a happy family with Henry and his two moms, the problem is that one of the moms has repeatedly tried to murder the other one, beginning when she was a baby and stole 28 years of her life and cursed her whole family.  Henry was put up for adoption as a direct response to Regina's actions.  So, it can't work out and it would be a terrible example if it did.  Frankly, so many of the people in Storybrooke and other lands have been Regina's victims, she'd need someone from the "real" world anyway.  It's even messed up with Robin considering Regina was supposed to kill Marian.

 

I really hope with Rumple in NYC it means that either Belle has banished him from Storybrooke or she's left Storybrooke because the baby contract isn't valid in the real world.  Rumple isn't redeemable at this point and they need Belle to find her real love.  Having her stay with him makes her a doormat and ruins a Disney Princess for a lot of people.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

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It's not important for the story. It's queerbaiting.

 

Maybe this is a direct result of the huge SQ meltdown and walk-outs due to the 5A finale. The writers are panicking and trying to entice them back by making a "SwanMills Family" finale, since they are very vocal that it should take precedence over CS (or OQ, for that matter.)

 

The writers neither care about queerbaiting nor pleasing SQ shippers. Most of the vocal SQ twitter fanatics don't even watch legally. That is the last demographic abc wants to cater to. This is not to say there are no SQ fans in the US. Just that those fans are not the nutjobs who harass actors and writers, and start scurrilous  rumours about  actors. IMO, the only time the Show did QB was the infamous 4.05 episode. 

 

Like it or not, Emma and Regina are two main characters in the Show (and its most important). The writers have been pushing their friendship for two seasons now. It's not going anywhere, and it has no shipping overtones. 

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Mari

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In these pics, it looks like Robin sends Roland off with Little John, Robin and Regina disagree about something, and then Zelena shows up looking all happy, and then maybe her hand gesture is her poofing away.

 

Are we sure those pics aren't photoshopped?  Because Robin has an opinion?  And it's not Regina's opinion?  That . . . doesn't compute.

:)

 

I'm 80% sure Zelena gets some kind of redemption in 5x19.

Well, she is a mother, now.

 

Unless you're Cora, that's apparently all it takes.

 

Poor Hook and Rumple.  Doomed to either not have their changes recognized, or to not change at all, respectively, because they would be paternal, and not maternal.

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How can she be pregnant? They've never slept together

 

Emma jabbed Hook with her sword. That's how babies are made.

 

 

I'm 80% sure Zelena gets some kind of redemption in 5x19.

 

I'm 99% sure that's what happens. Probably when Rumpel kidnaps her and tries to use Pistachio to pay off his second child debt.

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scenicbyway

scenicbyway

How can she be pregnant? Tbey've never slept together. They only just admitted they loved each other in the season finale. Everything takes a year with these two.

Aww, that's precious. Emma was asked in the last episode if she'd slept with Neal and Hook and she didn't deny it. I think it happened in the 6 week moment of peace between 4a and 4b, they seemed a lot closer after that. But of course, nothing has been shown onscreen.

It sure looks like we won't be seeing any "coffee time" between them in this arc anyway.

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Dianthus

Dianthus

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As crazy repetitive as this show can be, we're actually getting something rare and beautiful this next ep: a 100% Regina-free flashback! Seriously, I can't tell you how excited I am (plus, Liam).

 

ETA: SQ is all about the delusion. They are lying to themselves and ignoring what's actually happening on screen in favor of the fever dream/s playing out in their heads. Think I'm being too harsh? Check out the writings of one Lily RoRo Sparks (actually, I don't recommend it). She is SQ all the way and has a platform over at TV.com, where she and all her little friends exist in their oh so shiny bubble.

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Hookian

Hookian

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The writers neither care about queerbaiting nor pleasing SQ shippers. Most of the vocal SQ twitter fanatics don't even watch legally. That is the last demographic abc wants to cater to. This is not to say there are no SQ fans in the US. Just that those fans are not the nutjobs who harass actors and writers, and start scurrilous  rumours about  actors. IMO, the only time the Show did QB was the infamous 4.05 episode. 

 

Like it or not, Emma and Regina are two main characters in the Show (and its most important). The writers have been pushing their friendship for two seasons now. It's not going anywhere, and it has no shipping overtones. 

 

I agree with this and I also think 5x23 will consist of them going through the door and getting to wherever the others are at. I'm sure there's gonna be something for CS fans in the finale. There always is. I think 5x22 will end with them going through the door and getting to wherever the others are at in 5x23.

 

Exactly no SQ scene has shipping undertones. Only the delusional idiots think so and when have they ever been right? Never.

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Mathius

Mathius

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The writers neither care about queerbaiting nor pleasing SQ shippers. Most of the vocal SQ twitter fanatics don't even watch legally. That is the last demographic abc wants to cater to. This is not to say there are no SQ fans in the US. Just that those fans are not the nutjobs who harass actors and writers, and start scurrilous  rumours about  actors. IMO, the only time the Show did QB was the infamous 4.05 episode.

Like it or not, Emma and Regina are two main characters in the Show (and its most important). The writers have been pushing their friendship for two seasons now. It's not going anywhere, and it has no shipping overtones.

 

Sorry, no.  The writers have proven time and again to be more than aware of SQ and how big and loud its fanbase is.  Are they gonna cave and make SQ happen? No, they're not.  But they don't have to.  Because they know that any meaningful close interaction between the two will be taken out of context and be used as "proof of SQ" by the SQ shippers.  And that's why they've been pushing the friendship (Remember Scott Nimerfro's "Jane fights for you guys (the SQ shippers) in the writers' room harder than anyone"?  Do you really think Jane wants to make SQ canon?  No, she has been obvious in liking CS.  But she wants to keep giving the SQers something they can use as proof in their own minds as SQ evidence).  

 

Look no further than Adam's latest script tease.  Do you really think he is that blind to not know how SQers will take a script tease with an exchange like that in it? He's done the same before, as recently as the 100th episode....he is deliberately posting script tease that will make the SQers automatically type "SWAN QUEEN!" and fangasm over it, thus baiting them into watching the show live and giving it ratings.  That's what the pandering is about.  They don't want to make SQ canon, they never will, but they want to bait its shippers so that it doesn't lose them as an audience.  

 

Yes, SQers are delusional, I have little sympathy for them.  But they are being pandered to, and they are being baited.

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FierceAfroChick

FierceAfroChick

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That script tease makes it sound like Emma and Regina weren't forcibly separated from the others. It appears that Emma made a decision to go find her eloping son with Regina in NYC - a decision which she is apparently regretting and wishing she'd gone with Hook and Snowing etc instead hehehe, I don't think the SQers fully thought through the implications of what Emma is saying ;)

 

Isn't that script tease is for the upcoming episode?

 

I think they should abandon the lie detector angle because it's always on the fritz. 

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But seriously, what on earth is the context for this conversation? Have we gotten any spoilers that would explain it?

I think Emma's "I should have gone with them" is about Hook and Liam. Maybe Emma and Regina have this conversation after Emma tells Regina that Liam doesn't think she's good enough for Hook. From the context, it seems they're out in public somewhere. There's a spoiler picture of Liam and Hook at the well with another guy (Long John Silver?) and we know Emma was there with Liam and Hook as well. Maybe she goes after them after talking to Regina about it.

mjgchick

mjgchick

Looking at the new promo I get the feeling Hooks going to learn not to put people in such a high pedestal. He did it with Emma earlier and even though he was cursed he saw she does have flaws and maybe he'll see it with his brother in the next episode as well because he thinks Liam's this image who never makes mistakes. He did the same with his dad until he bucked on him and found out he was bought into slavery.

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Rumsy4

Rumsy4

Agree. For centuries, Hook has been holding on to his hero-worship of his brother. Now, Liam is a bit TSTL when it comes to trusting authority figures. They are both going to have to let go of their biases. Now I don't really care all that much about Liam's moment of self-realization in and of itself. But he does need to have that moment so he can trust his brother's judgement when it comes to choosing his ultimate fate. That will make Killian happy about letting go of his brother and choosing a life with Emma.

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mjgchick

mjgchick

Emma might have to let go of Hook if he should choose to leave with Liam but Hook will also have to let go of Liam because he realizes Emma is his happy place like he told her last season.

I do wonder if the secret Liam tells them is what Hades told him and what he's keeping is who told him not the fact he's keeping something else out or he's flat out lying.

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HoodlumSheep

HoodlumSheep

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^ lol! I bet no one saw that coming...

So Snowing try to send a message to Snowflake? How the heck is that supposed to work, he's still under a year old (I think?). He can't understand you guys yet.

So Belle gets dragged to the Underworld. And Zelena.

And Shady Blue is appearing!

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YaddaYadda

YaddaYadda

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If Rumple can open the portal in the UW to get people from SB from where he is in the UW, can the opposite also be done as in open the portal for everyone to cross from the UW to SB? Or is this where the whole boat situation happens? They have no means to cross over.

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InsertWordHere

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So, why is Hades making Rumple bring Belle and Zelena and Pistachio to the UW?? 

Zelena because he just wants to see her, Pistachio because it will please Zelena, and Belle (and her passenger) for leverage against Rumple.

 

ETA: I just noticed they referred to Zelena's baby as "Baby Hood" in the press release. As someone else said in one of these threads, I can't wait to see Child Hood and Adult Hood. 

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