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When everyone realized Rumple and Regina weren't coming back, they had a big celebration and put on a cloaking spell so they can never be found or contacted ever again.

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At least someone is freaking out over Emma's darkness. Keep giving a shit, Hook! You're pretty much the only one who does...

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HER GRANDMA IS EMMA! Are they being serious with this?

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There’s a classic Disney song featured in the premiere episode. And it’s not from Frozen [from 10 Things]

 

Any guesses? A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes? When You Wish Upon a Star? I Have a Dream? Yo Ho A Pirate's Life for Me?

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https://twitter.com/KalindaVazquez/status/514572108995653632

 

Kalinda Vazquez confirms the color codes for their whiteboards. Purple is for flashbacks, green is for the present. Now when you see whiteboard spoilers, you'll know for sure what the context is!

 

 

There’s a classic Disney song featured in the premiere episode. And it’s not from Frozen [from 10 Things]

I'm thinking Beauty and the Beast, because of the Rumpbelle dance.

 

 

Elizabeth Mitchell is now on set.

Something is definitely wrong with that photo quality. She looks ridiculously old in that picture.

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pezgirl7

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One of the recaps said Belle and Rumple dance to an instrumental version of Beauty and the Beast.

I wonder if the CS kiss that takes place in front of the green screen will be the start of Emma's magic going haywire? I know some people wanted Emma to magic her and Hook somewhere more private, but maybe something bad happens.

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Souris

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I was able to see the premiere ep today, and if you're interested, you can read my thoughts here. I thought it was a bit too long to post the whole thing here.

 

And the Disney song is an instrumental version of "Tale as Old as Time" from "Beauty & the Beast" during the Rumbelle dance scene.

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pezgirl7

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I guess I never knew the actual name of the song! I thought it was just the theme to Beauty and the Beast.

Lucky you Souris! Its funny how some of the recaps called the CS kiss quite long, and for you it was a little more than a peck. :) The screencap makes it look like a peck though. Any chance you could post the pic in its own tumblr post? I'm afraid it'll get snagged eventually anyway, but it's up to you, obviously.

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retrograde

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Thanks, Souris. So Charming and Anna have met, huh? I guess she meets him when she comes to Storybrooke, before Rumple. Not sure how she would have changed the course of his life, though. He was a poor shepherd, just how many life choices did he have? 

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Souris

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Lucky you Souris! Its funny how some of the recaps called the CS kiss quite long, and for you it was a little more than a peck. :) The screencap makes it look like a peck though. Any chance you could post the pic in its own tumblr post? I'm afraid it'll get snagged eventually anyway, but it's up to you, obviously.

 

I didn't even think about doing a separate post for the pic, but I went ahead at your request! :)

 

Yes, the kiss illustrates that whole "your mileage may vary" thing. It's nowhere near as long as their other kisses, though. (Unless you count the failed TLK in New York.)

 

In terms of Regina, I think people are going to see what they generally see when it comes to Regina; in other words, YMMV!

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Rumsy4

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OMG Souris---so cool for you!! So, what is your overall opinion of the episode, and particularly CS? :-D Oh, and are you seeing a dramatic increase in your follower count? ;-)

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Thanks Souris! I just reblogged it. :) I've been trying to just skim over a lot of the spoilers, so the first episode isn't completely ruined, but I just don't have the strength to NOT read the CS spoilers! So how would you rate the premiere? I loved the S3 finale, so for me, it has a lot to live up to.

ETA hah told ya. ;)

http://colindonoghue.tumblr.com/post/98281907532/oh-my-god-credit

At least she gave you credit.

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You know, I've been thinking about this Regina wanting the author of the book to put in her happy ending thing, and how we're all, 'no, the book just writes what happened, dumb Regina'. The thing we may be missing is that the book is not telling everyone's story. I don't think Hook was in the book before the time travel, and August had to put his story in it himself. We may have seen Rumpelstiltskin and Regina pop up in other stories, but I don't think they have their own story in the book. And a bit of the theme in that is that were all 'bad guys' (August was not selfless, brave, or true, so not a 'good guy' according to the author). So, it's like only the 'good guys' get their tale put in the book and get their happy ending. So maybe that could be where the show is heading? If Regina gets her story in the book, it's like she's getting her happy ending and becomes a 'good guy'?

 

Am I even making sense?

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KingOfHearts

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I guess I never knew the actual name of the song! I thought it was just the theme to Beauty and the Beast.

It's actually called Beauty and the Beast.  That's the title. :)

 

Wow Souris! I'm really jealous. I'm really anxious about watching this season.

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Well, I like that David is seen sword-fighting with Anna, because I always wondered how he picked up swordfighting, archery and all those skills so quickly.

 

Souris, you have caused a nervous breakdown for the CS tumblr fandom LOL.

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More photos of Elizabeth Mitchell. Great cape action!

I can tell from these photos she's going to be an awesome Big Bad.

 

 

Some clear photos of the exploded (imploded?) sheriff's station.

In the second photo, it appears the implosion does not occur inside the jail cell.

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Souris

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I enjoyed the premiere, mostly for the "Frozen" stuff. If you're not familiar with the movie or didn't care for it, you might like the premiere less. The ep went fast.

 

I felt like there was very little CS in the premiere, honestly. Then again, I always want 35 of the show's 42-minute run time to be CS, LOL.

 

Sorry, sharky, no more kiss pics. I don't want to go overboard and poke the Mouse House with too big a stick. ABC even put a link to our Alias website on the official site back in the day, and we had all sorts of their copyrighted stuff on there, but more would make me too nervous. I wouldn't even have done that one except for the fact they already showed the ep for some fans at the premiere.

 

Given how clumsy Anna is in the movie, I worry she'll impale Charming!

 

(And yes, Rumsy, my follower count just ballooned, LOL.)

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Rumsy4

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Thanks for sharing, Souris! I knew we'd get a more balanced view from people on this board. haha Now I know what to expect as far as CS scenes go. 

 

I saw a bunch of reposts of the CS kiss pic (with credit), but it still made me mad. lol 

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I once had a VERY detailed spoilery X-Files post of mine on a private e-mail group lifted and published on Ain't It Cool News. That really pissed me off. So one picture? Eh, whatever, I knew it would. But thank you for the anger on my behalf!

 

I wonder if Emma's magic is supposed to have caused that hole in the wall or if the Snow Queen did it.

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In the second photo, it appears the implosion does not occur inside the jail cell.

 

The jail cell should be at one end of the building, not in the middle where the hole is (of course, the windows are all wrong so they are ignoring its internal geometry).

 

Did they seriously build that big set for one shot? Usually, the CGI stuff like that. Did they get some more money or are they going to film something else there?

 

I wonder if Emma's magic is supposed to have caused that hole in the wall or if the Snow Queen did it.

 

I think Emma thinks she did it, but I'm beginning to think the Snow Queen did it.

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FabulousTater

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I saw a bunch of reposts of the CS kiss pic (with credit), but it still made me mad. 

 

Same here, Rumsy4. Two reposts came through my tumblr dashboard, though both credited the original, so at least they did that much.

 

Souris, you also seem to have set off a "Stop Coddlng Regina!!!" storm (at least from what I see on my dashboard) and for that I salute you! :D Bravo! It's nice to know that the few of us here on the boards are not the only ones thinking that having the good guys coddling Regina and walking on eggshells around the murdering lunatic in hopes that it doesn't send her on a murder bender is effed up. That's not how you deal with murderers who don't regret their actions, writers! It's just not.

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retrograde

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From TV Guide:

 

Got any Once Upon a Time scoop? I can't wait to see Queen Elsa really freeze Storybrooke! — Tina
The Ice Queen will be a stranger in a strange land, but she will recognize at least one familiar face when she hits town. Unfortunately, it will bring up painful memories, which sets her on a mission to find answers about a significant object from her past — at all costs. Also, as was reported earlier, Elsa's anxieties will lead to the creation of a snow monster, and let's just say it's nothing like the cuddly, summer-lovin' Olaf!

Not very spoilery at this point, except it possibly backs up what Souris wrote about Elsa noticing an object in the paper, rather than Rumple himself.

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Anakerie

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If Emma does take off for the hills, I would really like to see her get a chilly reception from Henry upon her return. He understands why she gave up him for adoption and doesn't hold a grudge. Which I agree with. I have nothing but the highest respect for parents who say "I cannot provide for this child what they need and I love them enough to give them to someone who can." But by choosing to remain in Henry's life now she's making a commitment to him. She's telling him with word and deed that she is ready to be a parent to him now. If she leaves him behind and takes off for parts unknown he's going to be hurt and angry. Because you don't get to do that. You don't get to promise your child that you will be there for them and then vanish from their lives. Voice of experience here...no matter how old you get, it's not something you ever get over.

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Rumsy4

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Henry caught in a love triangle is my worst nightmare.

 

 

You don't get to promise your child that you will be there for them and then vanish from their lives.

 

She probably just took off to some lonely spot in Storybrooke because she's afraid she'll hurt people (including Henry) with her magic. She's not going to abandon Henry.

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The previews sound a whole lot better than the premiere itself. Youtube will be my friend to watch Georgina in action I guess. I know they originally said she'll have 9 episodes but I hope they changed their minds and Frozen goes for the entire 11.

Never thought I'd say this but I'm looking forward to that Charming/Anna spoiler more than anything. I had Will pegged as the bestie. While I'm ok with temporary buddy Elsa for Emma, I wanted Charming to have a regular friend so he can have something besides asskisser Snow.

Does this make the timeline wonky again? Yeah yeah A&E doesn't care about timeline but Anna was just bumbling around the Enchanted Forest for a year or longer? Seriously?

chilly reception from Henry upon her return

Why? Henry's not normal. He's the dweeb with the heart of the truest believer. If he barely blinks at getting poisoned and gaslit by the other mom, he should consider getting left behind a blessing in comparison.

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RadioGirl27

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Thanks for that summary Souris, even if I've almost arrived late to work for reading it ;-)

The only thing I was looking forward from the premiere was the kiss, so it's good to lower the expectations about it. I rebbloged it from someone else, but it's credited to you.

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patchwork

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I have nothing against Elsa's costume but I'm swooning over the Snow Queen's, it's just so purty! 

 

I've been wanting Henry to have age appropriate friends for years if a love interest is how he gets one then so be it. 

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I'm loving the costume too -- until you get to the plastic snowflake Christmas ornament they've attached to her neck. Do all witches need some sort of weird gaudy amulet? Except the Evil Queen of course.

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Souris, thanks for the recap, the screencap.

 

I love it when they film in Stevenson because we have tons of goodies.  I see in the pics that Hook now has shoes.  And add me in as someone who loves the Snow Queen's costume.  Also like the hairdo. 

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A fans interview with Adam and Eddy. I haven't read it complete. I stopped when I arrived here:

 

 

Eddy: Obviously, Emma at the end of last year realized that the life she was saving would destroy Regina’s happiness. And so I think Emma feels a certain amount of guilt because when she first met Regina they hated each other and they kind of had grown since then. As we said, the first half of the season will be about friendship, so Emma destroying Regina’s happiness doesn’t sit well with her and it obviously doesn’t sit well with Regina. So we’ll be exploring that over a few episodes, but one in particular.

Twice in the same answer. I'm so done with them.

 

An article about the premiere, from TV source magazine.

 

 

By our count, there are seven mysteries set up in the premiere. We’re not going to list them, but here are singular word hints: journal, past, house, Disney, issue, book and necklace (and if you’re anything like us, you’re going to pay a visit to Wiki at least once).

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Curio

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That interview basically confirms that the terms "soulmate" and "true love" are the exact same thing. So any of the couples right now could potentially find another "true love" or "soulmate" in the future. (Please, Robin, use this as your get-out-of-jail-free-card and run!)
 

Adam: "Meaning that true loves and soulmates can point you in a direction, but magic doesn’t provide it for you."

Except when fairy dust is involved...

 

Diane: Wow, that’s fabulous. Now the fan Anna Júlia (@anna_dpaula) has asked if you can you tell us something about Maleficent’s return in Season 4—will her story intersect with the Frozen characters at all?

Adam: Uh, no.

 

Boo. There goes any sort of continuity between 4A and 4B.

 

Also, boo to no Hook backstory until 4B.

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Just curious because I'm not on twitter, but does anyone ever reply to those statements to point out that Emma is a good guy and not a happiness destroyer - and that good guys save lives?  Even if they don't know the person, even if it is inconvenient, and even if it turns out it throws a wrench into the two-day-old romance of the attempted murderer?  

 

Sometimes I hate that I watch this show.  It makes me feel Marilyn from the Munsters with the morality.  Like I'm the one who's crazy...

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Just curious because I'm not on twitter, but does anyone ever reply to those statements to point out that Emma is a good guy and not a happiness destroyer - and that good guys save lives? Even if they don't know the person, even if it is inconvenient, and even if it turns out it throws a wrench into the two-day-old romance of the attempted murderer?

But why can't Emma be a good guy for saving Marian AND try to make things right for Regina? Emma is the daughter of Snow White so why wouldn't she want to have happiness for everyone? She wont apologize for saving a life -- and I love that. But that doesn't mean she's so callus that she doesn't also want to find a way for Regina to get past this. I think Adam's use of "happiness destroyer" was definitely a bit overboard but maybe part of Emma's happiness comes from helping others reach theirs as well. You don't have to wish heartache and failure to come to your enemies to be the hero.

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But why can't Emma be a good guy for saving Marian AND try to make things right for Regina? Emma is the daughter of Snow White so why wouldn't she want to have happiness for everyone? She wont apologize for saving a life -- and I love that. But that doesn't mean she's so callus that she doesn't also want to find a way for Regina to get past this. I think Adam's use of "happiness destroyer" was definitely a bit overboard but maybe part of Emma's happiness comes from helping others reach theirs as well. You don't to wish heartache and failure to come to your enemies to be the hero.

But one thing is to think that it sucks for Regina that the wife of her boyfriend of two days is back and try to help her, and a very different thing is to feel guilty for "destroying her happiness" and to put your life on hold to help her overcome her pain, especially when you saw that same woman burning your mother at a stake just a few hour ago, and that same woman is responsible for your life being a complete shit.

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But why can't Emma be a good guy for saving Marian AND try to make things right for Regina? Emma is the daughter of Snow White so why wouldn't she want to have happiness for everyone?

 

But one thing is to think that it sucks for Regina that the wife of her boyfriend of two days is back and try to help her, and a very different thing is to feel guilty for "destroying her happiness" and to put your life on hold to help her overcome her pain, especially when you saw that same woman burning your mother at a stake just a few hour ago, and that same woman is responsible for your life being a complete shit.

 

Emma doesn't want anyone to be unhappy. It's her nature. She's not responsible for Regina's happiness, but attempting to help Regina after accidentally breaking up her new relationship isn't a bad thing at all. The only thing here I have a problem with is the statement that Emma destroyed her happiness. That's ludicrous. If she wants to help Regina through her break-up, more power to her. She's merciful but also just - she's not going to put up with Regina's woes. It's possible to be compassionate but just, and Emma is very capable of that. We also have to remember she is co-parenting with her, so having a riff isn't exactly ideal right now. It's not a matter of whether Regina gets angry, but rather how a division between her and Emma affects other people, most notably Henry.

 

Emma is not responsible for Regina's happiness, but that doesn't mean she can't help her. If she can overcome all the evil things Regina has done to her family over the years, and still show compassion, then she is definitely the character I'll root for. It's Emma's unobligated choice, and I can't help but love her for it.

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But why can't Emma be a good guy for saving Marian AND try to make things right for Regina? Emma is the daughter of Snow White so why wouldn't she want to have happiness for everyone? She wont apologize for saving a life -- and I love that. But that doesn't mean she's so callus that she doesn't also want to find a way for Regina to get past this. I think Adam's use of "happiness destroyer" was definitely a bit overboard but maybe part of Emma's happiness comes from helping others reach theirs as well. You don't have to wish heartache and failure to come to your enemies to be the hero.

Because  a “happy ending” isn’t something that Emma should have to go out and find for her master, Regina, like an abused dog. Regina’s happiness is NO ONE’S responsibility except Regina’s and Regina doesn’t deserve a happy ending because “happy endings” are worked for and earned and Regina has done neither. Regina feels no regret or remorse for having forcibly stripped the “happy ending” (hell, literal hearts and lives!), from scores and generations worth of other people and yet deems herself deserving of one. I can only assume that if folks think, despite it all, that Regina still deserves a happy ending, then apparently being an unrepentant murderer should have no impact on the ability of such a person to achieve their happy ending. I guess those other people's lives don't matter just along as the murderer gets what she wants, nay, "deserves". I suppose I just don’t live on the same moral plane of reality as others who deem Regina so deserving of a “happy ending”.

 

Regina's methods for achieving her happiness are ripping out hearts, murdering, abusing children, and torturing people. Should we just round up some homeless folk and just let her have at it because it makes her “happy”?  If Regina’s “happy ending” is murdering everyone (which it was up until a mere year ago), should we let everyone be killed (and effectively rob them of their happy ending) because, darn it, Woegina deserves her happy ending too regardless of the consequences or impact to everyone else? I should think not. But then again, I'm mean like that.

Emma should be staying away from this with a 1000 ft pole because no one can get Regina’s happy ending except Regina and even then we’ve seen Regina's concept of happiness is death, destruction, rape, murder and all sorts of nasty, vile things. That Emma, whose entire life has been nothing but a shitbowl of crap all because of Regina's remorseless, self-entitled quest for her “happy ending”, should be helping Regina, who regrets none of her actions, is disgusting to me. How someone like Regina deserves any happiness is simply beyond me.

 

Regina hasn’t earned a happy ending, and until she gains some self awareness that she robbed thousands of their happiness and feels some guilt for that, NO ONE can help Regina and she deserves none until then.

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It may be a few hours for Emma, but the Regina we saw in the past is not the same Regina in Storybrooke -- there is at least a 28-year difference there.

And who says she's putting her life on hold just for Regina? Again, the show timeline and ours is different. For us, it's four months. For Emma, it's the next day. Are you expecting Emma to get over years of abandonment by her parents and the father of her child in one day just because some hot pirate did something amazing for her? She's not used to that, which frankly is why we see her pushing Hook away. "We're in the middle of a crisis" isn't really about a crisis with Regina -- it's Emma's way of hiding behind Emma's crisis of accepting a life she still doesn't believe she can have. From what I've heard of this first episode, I think we're focusing too much on Emma trying to give Regina a better life and too little on Emma struggling to give herself a better life.

And yes, Regina is hardly a good person but she isn't the Evil Queen anymore. Or did I waste my time watching season 3? (Which yes, at times, is debatable) She joined forces with the good guys in Neverland to save Henry. She helped rid the town of Zelena and showed her mercy by not killing her. So why are we all against Regina but swooning all over Hook, a pirate who we saw kill someone in the missing year by putting his own wants before helping someone else? Why are people excited about Gold and Belle when Gold didn't show mercy to Zelena? Its because things aren't as black and white here as they are in fairy tales.

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Emma should be staying away from this with a 1000 ft pole because no one can get Regina’s happy ending except herself and even then we’ve seen Regina’s concept of happiness is death, destruction, rape, murder and all sorts of nasty, vile things. How Emma, whose entire life has been nothing but a shitbowl of crap all because of Regina's remorseless, self-entitled quest for her “happy ending” is disgusting. How someone like Regina deserves any happiness is simply beyond me. Regina hasn’t earned a happy ending and until she gains some self awareness that she robbed thousands of their happiness and feels some guilt for that NO ONE can help Regina, and she deserves nothing until then.

 

 I personally think Regina should thank Emma profusely for saving the woman.  It's one less atrocity for her to have to atone for.  Whatever do the daft writers think has to be explored here?  Turning Emma into Snow, Jr. is really going to make me hurl. 

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When I talked about putting her life on hold I wasn't talking only about Hook, I was talking also about her parents, her baby brother, her son and her own inner problems. I would love to see Emma reconect with Snow, I would love to see her spend some time with her father or with her baby brother, and, yes, I want to see her spending time with Hook and trying to figure out her feelings for him. But I don't want to see her fighting for Regina's happy ending. Really, Regina is the only one responsible for her situation, so she should be the only one fighting for it. Regina took away the happy endings of thousands of people, including Emma and her family.

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KingOfHearts

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I personally think Regina should thank Emma profusely for saving the woman.  It's one less atrocity for her to have to atone for.  Whatever do the daft writers think has to be explored here?  Turning Emma into Snow, Jr. is really going to make me hurl.

 

When I talked about putting her life on hold I wasn't talking only about Hook, I was talking also about her parents, her baby brother, her son and her own inner problems.

 

Remember, this is just the first episode we're seeing. I don't see any signs of Emma becoming Snow Jr., myself. For one, she said she wouldn't apologize for saving a life. And two, Emma isn't shooting Regina with a bunch of compliments. Like sharky said, the timeframe is wonky. The writers probably want to deal with the 3B stuff first since that's what the viewers have been waiting all hiatus for, then they can deal with new character arcs like Emma's parents and Henry. I think it's still too early to call what will become of this.

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