Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[CCTC]

After last night's episode, the fact that they really want Gold/Rumple as part of next season just makes me shake me head.  Never has a character run its course more.

[justmythoughts]

Those cancelled/renewed rumours make me crazy. Because I really want this show to end now. Happy wedding, done. I can't abandon shows. As horrible as they get... After 2 or 3 episode, yeah, after seasons no. 

I am lucky cause as I live in Brazil  It is easier to read your comments before watching and be prepared for the horrendus things that will come next. 

Is it possible that the Charmings move to NY or Kansas or wherever else to escape their curse? That would keep them away but alive and in video chatting reach. 

Edited March 20, 2017 by justmythoughts

[oncebluethrone]

9 hours ago, Rumsy4 said:

I think Colin was seen filming with Team Princess/Tiger Lily for multiple episodes. If you scroll back in this thread to filming info regarding episodes 15 and forward, you'll find the evidence for it. People aren't just making it up. ;-)

Ok, that could warrant a multiple episode adventure, but Ariel and Jasmine are only in episode 15 until Jasmine returns in episode 21. And couldn't the filming with Tiger Lily be for flashbacks?

[Mathius]

2 hours ago, CCTC said:

After last night's episode, the fact that they really want Gold/Rumple as part of next season just makes me shake me head.  Never has a character run its course more.

Um, I think you're a little behind.  Gold/Rumple is dying, the news about contract negotiations was to throw people off from knowing that.

[Curio]

I'm dreading the next few weeks of episodes. If last night's episode was any indication, we're officially in the middle rut of useless filler episodes that kill all momentum until the penultimate episode. 

[Mathius]

31 minutes ago, Curio said:

I'm dreading the next few weeks of episodes. If last night's episode was any indication, we're officially in the middle rut of useless filler episodes that kill all momentum until the penultimate episode. 

6x15 looks like fun (it's got Oded Fehr's Jafar and Joanna Garcia-Swischer's Ariel in it!), but the rest are likely going to be yawn-inducing.

[Curio]

9 minutes ago, Mathius said:

6x15 looks like fun (it's got Oded Fehr's Jafar and Joanna Garcia-Swischer's Ariel in it!), but the rest are likely going to be yawn-inducing.

That, and the episode where Snow and Charming's curse is broke, are the only ones I'm looking forward to.

[oncebluethrone]

3 hours ago, Curio said:

That, and the episode where Snow and Charming's curse is broke, are the only ones I'm looking forward to.

I'm actually looking forward to all the upcoming episodes except the Zelena one, but that may be because I don't know anything about it.

[KingOfHearts]

This is the "be careful what you wish for" season. Fans wanted Aladdin, and it's been blandly shoehorned in. Some of them wanted more Evil Queen, but we got spa dates instead. Rumpbelle shippers wanted their couple to get back together, but they got Gideon. Captain Swan shippers were hankering for a proposal and wedding, but that's been tainted with cheap angst and a lack of effort on the writers' part. Snow and Charming finally got a plot, but half of them need to be asleep now. There was a lot of desire for Robin to return, but it's Fake!Robin and he doesn't matter as much. Now I'm just waiting for the musical episode and the Black Fairy to be disasters. Those were wished for too.

Edited March 20, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Curio]

10 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

This is the "be careful what you wish for" season. Fans wanted Aladdin, and it's been blandly shoehorned in. Some of them wanted more Evil Queen, but we got spa dates instead. Rumpbelle shippers wanted their couple to get back together, but they got Gideon. Captain Swan shippers were hankering for a proposal and wedding, but that's been tainted with cheap angst and a lack of effort on the writers' part. Snow and Charming finally got a plot, but half of them need to be asleep now. There was a lot of desire for Robin to return, but it's Fake!Robin and he doesn't matter as much. Now I'm just waiting for the musical episode and the Black Fairy to be disasters. Those were wished for too.

This is so accurate. We also wished for Princess Emma and no Dark Curse, and look what that got us...

[Curio]

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Hook, determined to make things work with Emma, turns to his old friend Capt. Nemo for advice, but Gideon torpedoes his plan before he’s able to set things right.

Why the heck does Gideon care at all about Hook? Have they even met? Shouldn't Gideon be more worried about killing Emma? (Oh, I'm sorry, worried about ordering his father to kill Emma, because that totally makes it better.) Or does Gideon think he has a better chance of killing Emma if he gets rid of her #1 Cheerleader?

But yay for the return of Captain Nemo! That's the only thing getting me through next week.

[KingOfHearts]

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In a flashback to the Enchanted Forest, the Evil Queen learns a surprising lesson about the true source of her misery

Henry Sr.: "Remember when Cora told you the only person standing in the way of your happiness was you?"
Evil Queen: "Yes... she's right. But I hate her, I don't care, and I want my revenge, damn it!"

*In present Storybrooke*
Zelena: "Don't you get it, Regina? The only person standing in the way of your happiness is you!"
Regina: "Wait... I remember my father saying that years ago. He was reminding me of what my mother said. Wow, I guess I really can be happy!"
Zelena: "Does that mean you're going to forgive me for inadvertently causing Robin's death?"
Regina: "Hell no, witch bitch!"

Edited March 20, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Mathius]

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In a flashback to the Enchanted Forest, the Evil Queen learns a surprising lesson about the true source of her misery

Didn't we go through this in Cora's S4 appearance already?

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Hook, determined to make things work with Emma, turns to his old friend Capt. Nemo for advice, but Gideon torpedoes his plan before he’s able to set things right.

Seriously?  GIDEON is going to spill the beans, not the EQ?  How does HE find out about Hook's secret?

Edited March 20, 2017 by Mathius

[Curio]

5 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Seriously? GIDEON is going to spill the beans, not the EQ? How does HE find out about Hook's secret?

All villains are omniscient now.

But seriously, why does Gideon even care about their engagement? Gideon has gone from crazy sociopath who wants to kill Emma to the douchebag in a romantic comedy who tries to split up the main couple in a matter of 48 hours.

[tri4335]

2 minutes ago, Curio said:

All villains are omniscient now.

But seriously, why does Gideon even care about their engagement? Gideon has gone from crazy sociopath who wants to kill Emma to the douchebag in a romantic comedy who tries to split up the main couple in a matter of 48 hours.

Well he is a Stiltskin and douchebag is their middle name!

[KingOfHearts]

1 minute ago, tri4335 said:

Well he is a Stiltskin and douchebag is their middle name!

Gideon is carrying on the Stiltskin family tradition of screwing with Captain Swan... that sounded dirty after typing it out.

Edited March 20, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[oncebluethrone]

30 minutes ago, Curio said:

Hook, determined to make things work with Emma, turns to his old friend Capt. Nemo for advice, but Gideon torpedoes his plan before he’s able to set things right.

I think this doesn't refer to Gideon spilling the beans, but him sending the Nautilus with Killian, Nemo, and Liam II to another world.  The hint is in the word "torpedoes."

[Curio]

11 minutes ago, oncebluethrone said:

I think this doesn't refer to Gideon spilling the beans, but him sending the Nautilus with Killian, Nemo, and Liam II to another world.  The hint is in the word "torpedoes."

Good catch with the word "torpedoes." It would also make sense if Gideon used some of his big boy magic to send Hook to a different realm because the last episode established that it's really hard to cross Storybrooke's borders. Based on the quick shot of Emma looking sad in front of Killian, maybe he genuinely tells her the truth, David is pissed, Emma is heartbroken, the engagement is called off, and Hook loses the Charming family. So Hook goes to Nemo for advice on how he coped with losing his family, but during his Nemo visit, Gideon sends them off to another world? But again, why would Gideon even care? 

Edited March 20, 2017 by Curio

[ParadoxLost]

6 hours ago, Curio said:

I'm dreading the next few weeks of episodes. If last night's episode was any indication, we're officially in the middle rut of useless filler episodes that kill all momentum until the penultimate episode. 

If filming spoilers are anything to go by, the next few episodes are going to be very frustrating.

I was expecting Emma to just be absent.  Somehow, what they did last night was worse.

They used Hook and Emma to bookend a boring, momentum killing episode.  I only kept watching because Hook was on early in the episode and there was a preview scene that hadn't been shown yet.  So instead of tuning out... I'm mad I wasted my time.  I'm mad they had Bae command Rumple to kill.  I'm mad they are redoing the early season Captain Swan secret (but with Hook instead of Emma this time).  I'm mad that they tarnished crapped on the engagement.  I'm mad that they are treating Emma and Hook like a story line they had to add in because they got a note from the network.

These last batch of episodes feel like they don't want to tell any story involving Emma, but they have to for promotion.  Kind of like what they choose for the script teases.  They know what the audience wants to see but they aren't interested in that story.

i'm expecting an early and late episode Captain Swan scene and a whole lot of been there done that and its maddening in between.

[Mathius]

36 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

These last batch of episodes feel like they don't want to tell any story involving Emma, but they have to for promotion.

Try these last few seasons. 

[scenicbyway]

But why does Emma care if Killian killed her grandfather?  She's literally never cared about anything in his past?  Killian struggles to make things work? What the heck?  She forced him into proposing in that moment.  Ugh.  More useless drama.  Captain Swan is just so awesome that it might  actually draw viewers so they should totally sideline them. 

[Watt]

So I missed it is the show canceled or renewed or gonna do that weird grown up Henry nonsense with new cast? I am too behind/confused with this show.

[Curio]

Just now, Watt said:

So I missed it is the show canceled or renewed or gonna do that weird grown up Henry nonsense with new cast? I am too behind/confused with this show.

It's still in limbo. ABC has not yet decided if it wants to bring back the show with a reduced cast or if this is the final season.

So are we actually going to get to see this Snow/Emma script tease play out on screen? Or is it yet another baiting Adam tweet that won't make the final cut?

[pezgirl7]

2 hours ago, Mathius said:

Seriously?  GIDEON is going to spill the beans, not the EQ?  How does HE find out about Hook's secret?

Maybe he somehow overhears Hook telling Nemo the secret. I just hope Gideon doesn't literally torpedo the nautilus with Nemo and Liam 2.0 on board. :(

I'm surprised no one's talking about the latest script tease. Snow and Emma finally have a conversation!

Edited March 21, 2017 by pezgirl7

[tri4335]

3 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

Maybe he somehow overhears Hook telling Nemo the secret. I just hope Gideon doesn't literally torpedo the nautilus with Nemo and Liam 2.0 on board. :(

I'm surprised no one's talking about the latest script tease. Snow and Emma finally have a conversation!

What's the over/under that the scene was "cut" from the episode?  But really, it is interesting that he released that particular one - smells like damage control to me.

[ParadoxLost]

7 minutes ago, Curio said:

So are we actually going to get to see this Snow/Emma script tease play out on screen? Or is it yet another baiting Adam tweet that won't make the final cut?

Normally, I would say it would be cut,

But this time, it nicely sets up the humiliation and despair that Emma will feel when confessing to her parents later that the engagement is off because Hook killed Charming's Dad.  So this time I think it stays in.

We will likely not get to see the scene where Snowing comfort Emma after she confesses her heart is broken.  If they do that at all.

[Curio]

1 minute ago, ParadoxLost said:

We will likely not get to see the scene where Snowing comfort Emma after she confesses her heart is broken.  If they do that at all.

 

But I'm sure we'll get a scene where Snow comforts Regina when WishRobin finally leaves for good at the end of the episode.

[ParadoxLost]

Just now, Curio said:

But I'm sure we'll get a scene where Snow comforts Regina when WishRobin finally leaves for good at the end of the episode.

Is that at the end of this episode?

Did we ever get any spoilers on why WishRobin didn't age and who he was talking about when he alluded to Zelena that he had some kind of partner?

[Curio]

7 minutes ago, ParadoxLost said:

Is that at the end of this episode?

 

I believe so. I don't think there are any spoilers of Sean filming after 6x14, so we've kind of assumed this is his last episode. It would make sense that they timed Regina and Robin officially separating at the same time Hook and Emma separate as he goes off on his side adventure.

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Did we ever get any spoilers on why WishRobin didn't age and who he was talking about when he alluded to Zelena that he had some kind of partner?

 

I think they handwaved Robin not aging because Charming wished for Regina to have what she deserves, and I have no idea who this "partner" is. Was he alluding to Will? Someone else? Who knows. Who cares. I doubt they'll explain it. (I'm being snarky at the writers, not you, @ParadoxLost.)

Edited March 21, 2017 by Curio

[Mathius]

26 minutes ago, pezgirl7 said:

Maybe he somehow overhears Hook telling Nemo the secret. I just hope Gideon doesn't literally torpedo the nautilus with Nemo and Liam 2.0 on board. :(

Liam 2.0 isn't in 6x14, but both him and Nemo are in 6x15, so they'll survive whatever Gideon tries, don't worry.

[pezgirl7]

6 minutes ago, Mathius said:

Liam 2.0 isn't in 6x14, but both him and Nemo are in 6x15, so they'll survive whatever Gideon tries, don't worry.

Oh whew! Thanks!

[Camera One]

50 minutes ago, Curio said:

So are we actually going to get to see this Snow/Emma script tease play out on screen? Or is it yet another baiting Adam tweet that won't make the final cut?

Yay, Snow/Emma line!  Now will this conversation last the 1 minute mark?  30 seconds mark?   Will we get two Emma/Snow scenes in a single episode? Am I getting ahead of myself?

[PixiePaws1]

13 minutes ago, Camera One said:

Yay, Snow/Emma line!  Now will this conversation last the 1 minute mark?  30 seconds mark?   Will we get two Emma/Snow scenes in a single episode? Am I getting ahead of myself?

Just calm down there...this likely never occurred to the writers...

[Shanna Marie]

3 hours ago, oncebluethrone said:

I think this doesn't refer to Gideon spilling the beans, but him sending the Nautilus with Killian, Nemo, and Liam II to another world.  The hint is in the word "torpedoes."

Ooh, interesting possibility. So maybe Hook does tell Emma, they're both miserable, she tells him she needs time to think, he talks to Nemo, Gideon sends the Nautilus away while they're talking, Emma thinks Hook skipped town to avoid her?

I have mixed feelings if this means the whole adventure thingy is on the Nautilus rather than the Jolly Roger. On the one hand, I love the Nautilus set. On the other, I also love the Jolly Roger, and that's more iconic for a Hook adventure. Come to think of it, the new coat that shows up later in the season looks like it fits on the Nautilus rather than being a Jolly Roger kind of outfit.

But can't the Nautilus travel between worlds? They could get back, unless maybe they take on a quest deliberately. Then, if they're going to Agrabah, how's that going to work by sea? Eric, a sailor prince of the Maritime Kingdoms was going overland to get there -- thus Ariel's dilemma, since she wouldn't be able to follow him -- which suggests that it's hard to get there by sea.

1 hour ago, tri4335 said:

What's the over/under that the scene was "cut" from the episode? 

I would not bet money on seeing that scene. However, I might be willing to put some chocolate on the odds of Snow consoling Regina after Robin leaves.

[oncebluethrone]

A Snow and Emma conversation! When was the last time we had that? 

[Mari]

Do we count the ones about Regina or the distraction crisis of the week?

[Rumsy4]

2 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

Normally, I would say it would be cut,

But this time, it nicely sets up the humiliation and despair that Emma will feel when confessing to her parents later that the engagement is off because Hook killed Charming's Dad.  So this time I think it stays in.

That was my exact thought. The last time Emma and Snow had a heart to heart, they were actually mocking Snow, because David was keeping a secret from her the same time she was boasting that she and David were completely open with each other. This time, they can humiliate Emma and make Hook look bad into the bargain. So--it stays. 

1 hour ago, Shanna Marie said:

Then, if they're going to Agrabah, how's that going to work by sea? Eric, a sailor prince of the Maritime Kingdoms was going overland to get there -- thus Ariel's dilemma, since she wouldn't be able to follow him -- which suggests that it's hard to get there by sea.

One word: Oasis. I've theorized before that the Nautilus can realm-hop. So, maybe they can pop up inside an oasis in the middle of the desert. I'd love to see that!

I do like it that Killian is seeking the advise of a friend/mentor like Nemo. It's amazing that the writers managed to reuse Nemo in the same season. 

[Mathius]

11 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

I do like it that Killian is seeking the advise of a friend/mentor like Nemo. It's amazing that the writers managed to reuse Nemo in the same season. 

Agreed, especially since literally everything and everyone else based around the LOUS were totally dropped from the show.

[Souris]

I don't think Gideon sends Hook and Nemo to another realm in 14. Based on posted BTS pics, Hook filmed with Jasmine at the loft in 15.

[Curio]

18 minutes ago, Souris said:

I don't think Gideon sends Hook and Nemo to another realm in 14. Based on posted BTS pics, Hook filmed with Jasmine at the loft in 15.

Do we know if they were actually filming in the loft, or were they just hanging out behind the scenes?

[Souris]

35 minutes ago, Curio said:

Do we know if they were actually filming in the loft, or were they just hanging out behind the scenes?

I guess we don't know for sure. We'd have to look back and see if the pic/video shows lighting set up.

[Selina K]

Paged through the stills for 6x14.  Out of 23 photos, 16 are essentially pictures of the EQ sneering. This looks like riveting entertainment.

[KingOfHearts]

"In the present, Regina learns the true meaning of friendship. In the Fairy Tale Land that was, the Evil Queen mercilessly slaughters another village."

[Souris]

2 minutes ago, Souris said:

Filming note:

Hearing NO Snowing, NO CS, NO Lana today.

Saw Raphael Sbarge, Jared Gilmore i think dwarves too

Sheesh, is this another "Henry saves the day" finale?

Edited March 21, 2017 by Souris

[Curio]

18 minutes ago, Souris said:

Sheesh, is this another "Henry saves the day" finale?

Why are A&E so obsessed with shoving Henry down our throats during big episodes? Just give him one pointless centric a year like they do with Charming and get it over with.

But I guess if Andrew J. West is adult Henry, it makes sense that they're spending a good portion of the finale on him. If this is the series finale... UGH.

Edited March 21, 2017 by Curio

[Mathius]

So "Gold & Son Pawnbrokers & Antique Dealers"?  Gideon's going public now?

[RulerofallIsurvey]

23 hours ago, Curio said:

That, and the episode where Snow and Charming's curse is broke, are the only ones I'm looking forward to.

The curse break will probably get all of 30 seconds devoted to it like the Killian/Emma proposal did.  

17 hours ago, Curio said:

 during his Nemo visit, Gideon sends them off to another world? But again, why would Gideon even care? 

The only thing I can think of is taking away Emma's support base might make her more vulnerable, and so more likely to lose the next time he fights her.  If he does this, it's actually pretty good strategy.  

15 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

I'm surprised no one's talking about the latest script tease. Snow and Emma finally have a conversation!

First I thought this might be when Emma is all happy, and she's looking at the ring and the "I never thought" was she never thought this could happen and she could be so happy.

But knowing this show and these writers, it's more like Emma never thought Killian could do something like kill David's father and then keep the secret from her and Snow gets to be all sanctimonious with her "if it makes you feel better, I did."  It makes sense since David still has the 'dirty pirate' mentality and they share half a heart that Snow would also think that way.  

13 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

But can't the Nautilus travel between worlds?

Once again Robin's not too bright eh?  Remind me again why he went to Zelena for help getting out of town when there are others who can actually do it easily?  

Didn't Nemo leave town already though?  Why is he back?  Did Hook call him on the shell phone?

[Rumsy4]

38 minutes ago, Mathius said:

So "Gold & Son Pawnbrokers & Antique Dealers"?  Gideon's going public now?

My eyes are rolling up so hard, they practically disappeared.

14 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Did Hook call him on the shell phone?

You used to call me on my shellphone (Nemo and 2.0 haven't left Storybrooke, as far as we know).

[Souris]

17 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Didn't Nemo leave town already though?  Why is he back?  Did Hook call him on the shell phone?

"I just press this swirl and Nemo answers! Usually."

[Curio]

21 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

You used to call me on my shellphone

...late night when you need my advice / call me on my shell phone / your engagement is on thin ice.