Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[Curio]

8 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

And why is Hook, who presumably has been hanging out inside...hopefully with Emma now that she's back...still wearing his coat?  Cause I leave my coat on in my house ALL the time.

Heating bills are really expensive in Storybrooke after Elsa came through and froze all the infrastructure.

[sharky]

I don't know about this rushed wedding being a sign the show is cancelled. Yeah, it does feel rushed but why is everyone acting surprised? A&E rush everything. How many times have we complained about plot, plot, plot? This seems typical and logical for A&E. If they planned a wedding for this season, which they probably did, they have to do it in 6x20 since the next episode is the finale movie that kicks off next season. This is how it always has been for them. So they do untold stories! Double Regina! Wish verse! Gideon! Other stuff! Wedding! Season (series) finale! And there's your season. Does the wedding feel rushed? Yes. Does everything feel rushed? Yes. I've been on two different boards with you all since season 3. We all know by now that this isn't a new thing for us to complain about.

[Shanna Marie]

10 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

And why is Hook, who presumably has been hanging out inside...hopefully with Emma now that she's back...still wearing his coat?

Hook never takes his coat off, ever. Probably mostly because of logistics, since that might be difficult to do with one hand (from the character's perspective) and because they need the coat to hide the fact that he's got a hook on top of a real hand so his arms are different lengths (from a production perspective). And then there's the utter lack of imagination in Hook costuming. We might not recognize him without a leather jacket on, so he can't change clothes.

It's looking like my theory that George was behind the death of David's father is going to play out, based on that interview -- possibly because Papa Shepherd changed his mind and wanted his son back and was maybe going to make noise so that people knew James wasn't really George's son. That was the only reason I can think of why the murder of a farmer would be covered up. The big question is whether they'll be able to resist the temptation for it to turn out that Hook was the assassin George hired, during one of Hook's cake runs, and Hook never knew who he killed.

[Rumsy4]

2 minutes ago, sharky said:

A&E rush everything.

CS development is perhaps the one thing that hasn't been rushed in the Show. It took Emma all of S3 to finally kiss Hook from her heart. It took another season for her to tell him she loves him. And another for her to tell him she loves him when not in crisis mode. And now, suddenly, they're sort of living together and getting married. So, now the writers are giving CS the same treatment as everything else. 

[sharky]

But remember we also got the heart in his chest followed by the shot scene. The "Hey, you're stalking me. Let me drink this potion" scene. Yesterday, I found out he gave up his ship for me so I'm going to ignore him today. Yes, their relationship has been more natural and organic overall, but we've had some speed ups along the way. 

[Serena]

2 hours ago, Curio said:

Agreed. The decorations seem more like something that would be used in the Enchanted Forest rather than Storybrooke. And considering how rushed this CS wedding plot seems, I doubt they're getting a big extravagant wedding in Storybrooke anyways. I'm guessing it'll be a last-second decision and more makeshift, kind of like April and Andy's wedding on Parks & Rec.

But all the extras in the photos are wearing fancy heels and dresses with modern day styles, not EF styles.

[InsertWordHere]

13 hours ago, RadioGirl27 said:

The new kid being Regina's magical daughter makes way more sense than her being Emma's. A&E hate Emma and Hook, no way they are going to center the reboot around them and their children. But Regina is their favourite characters, they love her, so them making the reboot about her and only about her makes total sense.

I'm sure Emma and Hook's child would show up eventually, to be a brat and a bully to Regina's child. 

[oncebluethrone]

21 minutes ago, Serena said:

But all the extras in the photos are wearing fancy heels and dresses with modern day styles, not EF styles.

Exactly.

[oncebluethrone]

1 hour ago, Curio said:

I totally agree, but the key is that this happened in Season 5. When I think about a rushed wedding at the end of Season 6, I'm not saying Emma and Killian aren't ready for marriage. Heck, they've been ready for a few seasons now. The feeling of being "rushed" also comes with the pacing of the show and the other characters' plots that will impact the wedding. A wedding climax has more teeth to it if the plots leading up to the wedding are more focused on Emma and Killian's relationship. That's why, in 5B, everyone was ready for Emma to ask Killian to move in with her or propose during the Season 5 finale because it made sense based on what came before it that season. Because most of Season 5 was focused on the CS relationship, thematically, it made more sense from a writing standpoint to have their big relationship milestone moment be at the end of that arc, not randomly tacked on as B-plots in Season 6 episodes. So when that didn't happen, the CS story progression took a huge blow and instead of their season's arc ending with a giant crescendo, it kind of ended like a song that doesn't know when it should end, so it just faded off.

When I think about a 6x20 CS wedding, it feels a bit like listening to a disjointed orchestral piece. For the first 30 minutes of the song, it's all really loud horn section and percussion, and even though there are some pretty violin parts sprinkled in here and there, the violins are generally drowned out by the much louder horn section around them. Finally, it's the end of the song and everyone is expecting a huge trumpet solo finale because that's what the entire song has been like for the past 30 minutes. But out of no where, everyone in the orchestra goes silent and there's an amazing violin solo. It's completely random compared to the rest of the song, and it's still beautiful to listen to, but it doesn't thematically fit the rest of the piece and makes the rest of the 30 minutes seem very disjointed. That's how I imagine this CS wedding will feel like compared to the rest of Season 6.

Edit: @oncebluethrone, sorry if this seems like I'm trying to force you to become jaded like the rest of us. I actually genuinely enjoy reading positive posts around here! It's a nice change of pace.

CS being rushed and disjointed this season does make more sense when you put it that way.  

By the way, do you play an instrument?

[Curio]

35 minutes ago, Serena said:

But all the extras in the photos are wearing fancy heels and dresses with modern day styles, not EF styles.

Huh, I didn't catch that. But the people wearing dresses might not be wearing them for that particular location where they took the photo, the next set over could be Granny's/Generic Main Street. I'm actually curious how much of the Main Street set they have built indoors. That was one of the locations listed for the episode, but none of the filming has happened outdoors. Maybe it will it be an intimate ceremony out on Granny's patio under the string globe lights?

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By the way, do you play an instrument?

Yep! 

Edited March 10, 2017 by Curio

[Mathius]

The recent Josh Dallas interview hints at what I'd been thinking for a while now: Charming's dad was killed by King George because he went off on a quest to get James back, since it was giving James up that began his whole drinking problem.  And once he finds out, Charming is going to come close to becoming like S2 Hook, obsessed with revenge no matter who else he might hurt, and Hook will have to save him from becoming like that.

Edited March 10, 2017 by Mathius

[PixiePaws1]

CS wedding being rushed?? Hmmm...could it possibly be that Emma FINALLY gets to have a meaningful reaction to all their pointles-because-they're-solely-for-making-SQers-happy separations...this last one that looks like it will last a few eps may be the last straw and she's getting married now, dammit..before the next curse kicks in and she gets stuck with Regina yet again!

Or maybe she's preggers and wants to be married when she has it (which she is perfectly entitled to be - doesn't diminish her if that's what she wants)

[Souris]

Getting the CS wedding out of the way so Emma can ditch her new hubby before the honeymoon to go off on the requisite A&E ep SQ adventure in the finale.

[Serena]

1 hour ago, Curio said:

Huh, I didn't catch that. But the people wearing dresses might not be wearing them for that particular location where they took the photo, the next set over could be Granny's/Generic Main Street. I'm actually curious how much of the Main Street set they have built indoors. That was one of the locations listed for the episode, but none of the filming has happened outdoors.

Occam's Razor. There is a fancy set and extras dressed in fancy clothes, in the same photo. I get being pessimistic and all, but it doesn't make sense that they'd be shooting a fancy EF sequence and a SB sequences with fancy extras *at the same time*. They are the same sequence.

This is the same day we also know Emma is dressed up (she's wearing red lipstick), etc. Scenes with many extras are usually especially difficult to shoot, and they're supposed to be shooting two at the same time? 

[KingOfHearts]

42 minutes ago, Souris said:

Getting the CS wedding out of the way so Emma can ditch her new hubby before the honeymoon to go off on the requisite A&E ep SQ adventure in the finale.

Like how her mom ditched her husband on their honeymoon to go deal with Regina?

[RulerofallIsurvey]

2 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

Hook never takes his coat off, ever. Probably mostly because of logistics, since that might be difficult to do with one hand (from the character's perspective)

But he says he bathes!  In his clothes?  I wonder if Emma truly knows this.  That's going to make the honeymoon kind of weird.  ;)  Oh, I get from the character's perspective, but - obviously he dresses himself in the morning one-handed and has for centuries.

2 hours ago, Shanna Marie said:

and because they need the coat to hide the fact that he's got a hook on top of a real hand so his arms are different lengths (from a production perspective).

Yeah, I understand this also.  But surely, they could hide it with a poofy pirate shirt?  

I think it does come down to the lack of imagination in Hook's costuming.  

[Curio]

42 minutes ago, Serena said:

There is a fancy set and extras dressed in fancy clothes, in the same photo. I get being pessimistic and all, but it doesn't make sense that they'd be shooting a fancy EF sequence and a SB sequences with fancy extras *at the same time*. 

I'm actually not trying to be pessimistic this time. I'm just pointing out that these indoor sets can often be really big and have multiple different locations near each other. 20 feet away from those Instagram curtains could be Granny's set, and 20 feet away from Granny's set could be Snow's loft. It could be the case where those extras in fancy dresses are extras for the CS wedding that's being filmed on the Granny's set, and during their lunch break, they all walked 20 feet over to the blue screen Enchanted Forest curtains to show off the red jackets. I mean, you could definitely be right, but just because we can see curtains in the background doesn't automatically mean that's the exact location those people were filming for the day. If it was a very specific outdoor location, then yes, that's probably where the scene is taking place. But indoor sets are a bit trickier. I don't know what was filmed when, but Wednesday could have been the filming day for the Enchanted Forest blue screen curtains and Thursday could have been the Granny's CS wedding. There's no need to tear down the curtains because they might need to do reshoots, so they stay up long enough for the people to take a photo in front of it.

The only reason the Instagram curtains make me think it's an Enchanted Forest location is because they're in front of blue screen. Usually, the Storybrooke sets are physical replica sets with little blue screen, and any time they need a lot of blue screen work, it's usually because it's an Enchanted Forest/Magical Land scene.

Edited March 10, 2017 by Curio

[sharky]

Although I do wonder if they're going the green screen route this time so they don't have to film outside in front of prying eyes, trying to keep things under wraps. 

54 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Yeah, I understand this also.  But surely, they could hide it with a poofy pirate shirt?  

They've used just the pirate shirt before, most noticeably on the beanstalk. I do wonder if what leads up to the new scene explains it. That scene was a bit awkward. Why does Hook coming running out of the house and then go back inside? Maybe they arrived back home and Hook went in while David hung out on the steps for a bit? In that case Hook would still have his coat on. But yes, that thing must be getting gross. 

[ParadoxLost]

2 hours ago, Serena said:

Occam's Razor. There is a fancy set and extras dressed in fancy clothes, in the same photo. I get being pessimistic and all, but it doesn't make sense that they'd be shooting a fancy EF sequence and a SB sequences with fancy extras *at the same time*. They are the same sequence.

The one thing that tosses everything up in the air is that if they are filming the musical episode then there is no reason that particular episode can't contain Storybrooke fantasy sequences that normally wouldn't occur.

[asabovesobelow]

4 hours ago, Souris said:

Getting the CS wedding out of the way so Emma can ditch her new hubby before the honeymoon to go off on the requisite A&E ep SQ adventure in the finale.

Please let this happen!! (Just thought a dissenting opinion on the board might be nice.)

Edited March 11, 2017 by asabovesobelow

[Free]

3 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

Like how her mom ditched her husband on their honeymoon to go deal with Regina?

Or spent more time with Regina over her long lost daughter.

1 hour ago, ParadoxLost said:

The one thing that tosses everything up in the air is that if they are filming the musical episode then there is no reason that particular episode can't contain Storybrooke fantasy sequences that normally wouldn't occur.

That might actually happen during the musical numbers.

[PixiePaws1]

9 hours ago, Free said:

Or spent more time with Regina over her long lost daughter.

 

...and right on cue we have sneak peek 2...

Emma got wished away...fought the guy that wants to murder her....saw her parents murdered.....

And look where Snow is..listen to what she's saying....!!!

[Free]

1 hour ago, PixiePaws1 said:

...and right on cue we have sneak peek 2...

Emma got wished away...fought the guy that wants to murder her....saw her parents murdered.....

And look where Snow is..listen to what she's saying....!!!

They're so predictable.

[Curio]

I feel like they're just trolling us at this point with the amount of Regina/Snow scenes versus Emma/Snow scenes.

[CCTC]

I was actually surprised to see Snow awake, but maybe that was at the end of the episode.  I don't dislike Regina, but it does seem, as much as they like her, they still do her a disservice by having her go through variations of the same story.  She might be on a lot, but she does not exactly get great material much of that time.  I mentioned this elsewhere, but if they really wanted to make things fresh with a reboot, they need to move on from Regina and Gold and bring on fresh blood for the villains with a whole new set of luggage.  

It is a bit odd how little Emma and Snow interact.  She seems to have more time and better chemistry with David. One of the reasons if they did somehow keep Snow or Charming, I would pick Charming over Snow.  I also think David works better as a supporting character  whereas it does not make as much sense for Snow to be sidelined more, and there might be a few superficial reasons why I would be ok with David sticking around.

By bringing on a jaded adult and a hopeful kid as the new characters, it seems like they are just shuffling the chairs on the deck rather than going in a new direction away from the iceberg.  I am also generally not a fan of precocious child actors who are wise beyond their years.  They often come off as more annoying than endearing.  As much flack as Jared gets now, he was actually more endearing in the early years and worked as a character, although even then it was better if he was not on too much.  Then, as happens without about 90% of child actors, his acting became less natural and more self-conscious as he hit adolescence.   He might be a little better now than a couple of years ago, but he should never carry a story (which is probably why he is basically getting recast).

Edited March 11, 2017 by CCTC

[Mathius]

40 minutes ago, CCTC said:

It is a bit odd how little Emma and Snow interact.

A bit odd?  Yeah, that's an understatement. 

[sharky]

I was surprised to see Snow up as well. Based on spoiler photos, there's more to this Regina/Robin plot in the episode. So this seems like it would be an early interaction. So why is Snow awake with David dealing with his dad stuff?

[Rumsy4]

The OQ scenes are super-drippy ever since wish!Robin appeared. Regina looks super soulful and affected, and it's just not working for me. So much focus on OQ now has to be because of the reboot character being an OQ baby. Otherwise, it makes no sense.

The Regina-Snow scene must take place at the end of the episode, after David has laid his ghost to rest. 

[Curio]

I don't think they've ever released a sneak peek video that appears at the end of the episode, right? Usually they always occur within the first 5 minutes. Maybe the episode starts off with Snow awake, then David is awake for the rest of the episode, which apparently takes place over the course of a few days.

Also, it's sad that we know more about Wish Robin's sleeping arrangement in Regina's house than we do about Killian's sleeping arrangement in his home with Emma. 

[CCTC]

12 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

 

The OQ scenes are super-drippy ever since wish!Robin appeared

 

They were also drippy the first time around which is part of the reason the coupling fell flat.  They tried to make Regina a romance novel heroine and Robin Hood a generic hero when Regina should have been in a more volatile, verbal sparring, relationship with someone who called her on her $%#$.  They could have still had the character be Robin Hood -  that interpretation of Robin Hood would have made more sense than a stiff upper lip boy scout.

[Rumsy4]

33 minutes ago, CCTC said:

They were also drippy the first time around which is part of the reason the coupling fell flat.

True dat. I'd forgotten how drippy OQ was. This Robin seems spunkier, but I have a feeling that's not going to last long. I bet he'll regain his past memories before he disappears for good.

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Maybe the episode starts off with Snow awake, then David is awake for the rest of the episode, which apparently takes place over the course of a few days.

That sounds likely.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Rumsy4

[KingOfHearts]

Is Regina just now in the bargaining stage of grief? How many people are going to tell her it's a bad idea before she goes, "oops"? 

Edited March 11, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Shanna Marie]

18 hours ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Oh, I get from the character's perspective, but - obviously he dresses himself in the morning one-handed and has for centuries.

I'm not sure he could actually get in and out of that jacket one-handed, or at least not with the hook apparatus on. There are zippers at the cuffs, but the sleeves are pretty snug. He'd have to take off the cuff thing that holds the hook to get his arm through the sleeve, and to do that on-screen, they'd have to do a greenscreen glove to remove Colin's hand, which is more special effects than makes sense for a casual scene. It really must be to do with the hook, because the one time we've seen him take off his jacket like a normal person, it was in the episode when he had his hand back (which is why it's baffling that they haven't used any of the zillion story possibilities for him getting his hand back -- it would make things so much easier).

18 hours ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

I think it does come down to the lack of imagination in Hook's costuming.  

That's the main thing. It's like they think he's Perry the Platypus, or something, where the fedora totally changed everything. With the leather jacket, he's Captain Hook. Without it, it's like, "Hey, where did Captain Hook go? And who's this guy with a hook for a hand?" So, yeah, he sits around in the house in the jacket so that when he runs outside to check on David, he can still be wearing it so David can recognize him. What are the odds that we might actually see any of the moments inside the house of the Hook/Swan family doing anything remotely domestic?

50 minutes ago, CCTC said:

They were also drippy the first time around which is part of the reason the coupling fell flat.

That's what happens when the only thing bringing a couple together is pixie dust. All they ever talked about was how they were soulmates. We saw no actual evidence of them being soulmates, in the sense of being suited for each other. It reminds me of the drippy couples in high school who only ever talked about how cute they were together.

[KingOfHearts]

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True dat. I'd forgotten how drippy OQ was. This Robin seems spunkier, but I have a feeling that's not going to last long. I bet he'll regain his past memories before he disappears for good.

I would like to see Fake!Robin kill a red shirt so that Regina's carelessness can actually catch up to her with consequences. That would be a better moral dilemma than, "Is he fake or not??"

Edited March 11, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Mathius]

I've been thinking: I'm pretty sure the two-part finale will have its present day set in the timeskip with adult Henry and the little girl, while the flashback will be of what happened back in Storybrooke to separate Henry from his family and grow up alone and cynical, with Aladdin, Jasmine and possibly Jafar involved.  Since they cast adult Henry and the girl so quickly, they're obviously in the finale a lot and not just in one scene like initially thought.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Mathius

[sharky]

10 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

I would like to see Fake!Robin kill a red shirt so that Regina's carelessness can actually catch up to her with consequences. That would be a better moral dilemma than, "Is he fake or not??"

Well, based on the promo, he shoots an arrow at Nottingham's coffee in Storybrooke. For some coffee drinkers, they may consider that an act of murder so let's hope it's one of those red Starbucks holiday cups.

[Curio]

1 hour ago, Shanna Marie said:

What are the odds that we might actually see any of the moments inside the house of the Hook/Swan family doing anything remotely domestic?

 

Wait...domestic scenes are allowed?? I thought they were blocked by the FCC or something.

[Free]

3 hours ago, Mathius said:

I've been thinking: I'm pretty sure the two-part finale will have its present day set in the timeskip with adult Henry and the little girl, while the flashback will be of what happened back in Storybrooke to separate Henry from his family and grow up alone and cynical, with Aladdin, Jasmine and possibly Jafar involved.  Since they cast adult Henry and the girl so quickly, they're obviously in the finale a lot and not just in one scene like initially thought.

It would since they would need those 2 episodes to set up the new characters and whatever new direction the possible reboot would be in.

[Amerilla]

22 hours ago, sharky said:

 

Although I do wonder if they're going the green screen route this time so they don't have to film outside in front of prying eyes, trying to keep things under wraps. 

 

 

 

It might also be more comfortable for cast and crew to film musical bits inside, since most of them are not professional singers. There may also be technical issues around doing a musical that makes outdoors a no-go this time around.

This is the show that let Rumpel's "death by Pan" be spoiled with an open set. They've rarely taken pains to hide what they're doing when they film outdoors in Stevenson. Since spoiler shots of a CS wedding would be prime, Tumblr-crashing free promotion for the for them, I don't see them caring enough to keep things under wrap for this episode.

[sharky]

You make a good point about the musical aspects. Perhaps the dancing and production is better indoors. I'm assuming they're lip syncing to previously recorded tracks so maybe that's a factor?

[RulerofallIsurvey]

6 hours ago, KingOfHearts said:

I would like to see Fake!Robin kill a red shirt so that Regina's carelessness can actually catch up to her with consequences. That would be a better moral dilemma than, "Is he fake or not??"

Oooh - you are dark!  ;)  But I don't understand what moral dilemma there would be for Regina?  The evil part of her (which we all know was not cleaved - you like how I brought that word back? - from her personality with the split) would love it!  She'd definitely know they were soul mates then!  It's so bold and audacious!

About sneak peak2: 

After I managed to get my gag reflex under control, I noticed that at least Snow isn't encouraging Regina to have crypt sex again.  And Pistachio at least got a mention.  Too bad no one cares about Roland. 

[Rumsy4]

Besides, Emma would be the one to get blamed for suggesting the idea of bringing wish!Robin back.

[KingOfHearts]

50 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

Besides, Emma would be the one to get blamed for suggesting the idea of bringing wish!Robin back.

Maybe Snow is trying to sweep the fact she suggested the Evil Queen split under the rug. "At least I didn't encourage you stay with the fake Robin!"

Edited March 12, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[cappoe]

This should be an interesting episode. I have no idea when the proposal happens. But I don't think it'll be in this episode.

[oncebluethrone]

2 hours ago, cappoe said:

This should be an interesting episode. I have no idea when the proposal happens. But I don't think it'll be in this episode.

When do you think it will happen?

[Camera One]

I had to come in here to reply to the really exciting script tease for tonight.

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DAVID: Yeah. I just... wish the entire family could be here.

What's he talking about.  Typical hero complaining even though he has his happy ending.  You can't have your cake and eat it too, buddy.   You reunited with your doomed daughter and your wife isn't dead.  What more do you want.  #entitledmuch?

Edited March 12, 2017 by Camera One

[Free]

2 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I had to come in here to reply to the really exciting script tease for tonight.

What's he talking about.  Typical hero complaining even though he has his happy ending.  You can't have your cake and eat it too, buddy.   You reunited with your doomed daughter and your wife isn't dead.  What more do you want.  #entitledmuch?

This is probably why he and Snow are mostly sidelined and the writers get bored of writing them and prefer to writer for villains.

[KingOfHearts]

31 minutes ago, Camera One said:

I had to come in here to reply to the really exciting script tease for tonight.

What's he talking about.  Typical hero complaining even though he has his happy ending.  You can't have your cake and eat it too, buddy.   You reunited with your doomed daughter and your wife isn't dead.  What more do you want.  #entitledmuch?

Well, their entire family could be there if it weren't for Regina, Cora, Rumple and Zelena.

[Camera One]

2 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Well, their entire family could be there if it weren't for Regina, Cora, Rumple and Zelena.

Those are the four most misunderstood people who were rejected by our society and cannot be held responsible for their actions.

Edited March 12, 2017 by Camera One

[CCTC]

35 minutes ago, Free said:

This is probably why he and Snow are mostly sidelined and the writers get bored of writing them and prefer to writer for villains.

Which is part of the reason I am not in a huge rush for Hook and Swan to get married, esp. if Rumple and Regina are still around.