Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[cappoe]

1 hour ago, Curio said:

You know how we've been saying "as long as this finale isn't as bad as How I Met Your Mother's finale..."? Yeah, A&E are totally going to have Emma and Hook get divorced eventually. Thus, the broken home and lack of a focus in the potential series finale.

I don't think that little girl s the CS child. She's probably adult Henry's kid.

[PixiePaws1]

You know..wouldn't put it past A&E to not even show the ceremony for CS..they may just cut to the reception for nothing more than a fleeting glance of CS dancing in the background over Regina's left shoulder while she chews the scenery in the foreground.

A&E: well....they're married... we wanted to show the wedding and have an actual upfront shot of the happy couple but we just couldn't squeeze it in or we would have had to cut Regina's screen time down to 37mins...so it just had to go. But if you look closely you almost see all of Emma's gown.

[RadioGirl27]

The same way I've never seen the series finale of Medium, because I knew what was going to happen, I think I would pass on this one too unless you all tell me it's safe. 

[Serena]

With the way Jen was like "And Emma is wearing red lipstick!" yesterday, I totally thought she was hinting at a wedding. At least this means they're definitely getting a duet?

[Amerilla]

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INT: GROUP HOME BEDROOM*
INT: EMMA'S HOUSE

 

 

Contrasting Sad Wee Singing Emma with Happy Wedding Day Singing Emma? 

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EXT: CHARMING'S CASTLE BALCONY - FTL*
INT: CHARMING'S BEDROOM*

 

 

Flashback to Charming Wedding Day -- now with 100% More Singing!

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INT: MARY MARGARET'S LOFT
INT: JOLLY ROGER CAPTAIN'S QUARTERS
EXT: MAIN STREET - STORYBROOKE
EXT: JOLLY ROGER/DOCKS*

 

 

Emma and Hook prepare for the wedding in separate locales, while a chorus of extras who have never interacted with either of them prep Main Street. More singing. So much singing. 

 

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INT: GOLD'S SHOP

The Widow Gold's Song of Lamentation? No way RC wants his character alive for this trainwreck.

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INT: MAYOR'S OFFICE*
EXT: GRANNY'S/MAIN STREET*

 

 

Wedding ceremony conducted by Regina, possibly at her office, possibly in front of Granny's. Mains sing and boogie towards outdoor reception. Episode ends with shit going down on Main Street, because it's this show, and that's where shit always goes down. Finale episodes set up.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Amerilla
Repetition

[Free]

10 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

How do you fit a wedding into this?  I just can't see it.

It feels rushed like what it's been feeling like for a while now, so they might be jam packing a wedding and a musical episode all in one and then the 2 part finale is them setting up a possible reboot with the new guy.

[sharky]

You could totally have the wedding on Main St. -- just set the altar up right in the middle. It's not like anyone drives on that road, which is why all our characters wander right now the middle of it and kiss in the middle of and reunite after a curse in the middle of it. And then reception at Granny's because she wouldn't be offended if you did it somewhere fancy.

[RulerofallIsurvey]

13 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

How do you fit a wedding into this?  I just can't see it.

I was just thinking the same thing.  Thank you for reposting the list of scenes/musical numbers.  

8 hours ago, Serena said:

 At least this means they're definitely getting a duet?

Don't get your hopes up.  Wasn't it confirmed that there would NOT be a CS duet?  How does that even happen?  And yet, Zelena gets a solo - in an ep where Captain Hook and Emma-The Savior-Swann get married.  Yep.  That makes sense.  Only thing missing is an EQ solo also.  

[Kktjones]

I’m just trying to be grateful that Emma & Hook are actually going to get married. To be honest, I was somewhat doubtful it would actually happen. I was really hoping it wouldn’t be in the musical ep, but so be it. I am eternally grateful that it wasn’t written by A&E, which means it should be free of any Neal mentions.  Now I just have two final wishes. 1) That Regina does not officiate the ceremony and 2) that we don’t get Regina saying something to the effect of “Are you sure you want to go through with this?” to Emma - as their way of throwing a bone to a certain fandom. I will. lose. it.

[Souris]

Are we sure the marriage actually takes place and doesn't get interrupted somehow? (Trust issues.)

Edited March 9, 2017 by Souris

[Serena]

27 minutes ago, RulerofallIsurvey said:

Don't get your hopes up.  Wasn't it confirmed that there would NOT be a CS duet?  How does that even happen?  And yet, Zelena gets a solo - in an ep where Captain Hook and Emma-The Savior-Swann get married.  Yep.  That makes sense.  Only thing missing is an EQ solo also.  

I don't think it was confirmed. We just don't know yet. I think they will have one.

[sharky]

43 minutes ago, Souris said:

Are we sure the marriage actually takes place and doesn't get interrupted somehow? (Trust issues.)

Screw you for putting that out in the world. Why are you tempting fate? ;)

Based on some of the gushing tweets from journalists on set yesterday, things sound good. Unfortunately, this makes me hopeful when I should probably be lowering my expectations. 

[Rumsy4]

1 hour ago, Kktjones said:

Now I just have two final wishes. 1) That Regina does not officiate the ceremony and 2) that we don’t get Regina saying something to the effect of “Are you sure you want to go through with this?” to Emma - as their way of throwing a bone to a certain fandom.

I think there's a HUGE likelihood of the first case scenario, and a pretty good likelihood of the second. Also, once the pesky CS Wedding is out of the way in the musical episode, A&E will really focus on the Swan Queen Believer family battling the final villain de jour for the series finale. Prepared and ready.

[Curio]

I think I might just consider the musical episode the series finale and quit on a high note.

[Souris]

6 minutes ago, Curio said:

I think I might just consider the musical episode the series finale and quit on a high note.

That will probably end up being wise.

[maryle]

Totally mix emotions about the wedding in the musical.

I guess I should just be happy that happened but everything seems rush.

I do believe the wedding scene will be  Beautiful.

I read that the Gideon actor said he will be back so... Jasmine and co., Gideon and the two newbie. 

The final will be a mix of every rush storyline.

[sharky]

9 minutes ago, maryle said:

Totally mix emotions about the wedding in the musical.

I guess I should just be happy that happened but everything seems rush.

Welcome to Once Upon a Time! Why should the wedding be any different from anything else they've done.

[Souris]

4 minutes ago, Souris said:

Another finale casting announcement.

CS daughter or Robyn theories firmly out the window!

I'm relieved.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Souris

[cappoe]

Moana? I doubt they would do that because that is some heavy non polynesian casting and they know better than that.

Definitely not Henry's kid with Violet. Violet is not hispanic.

[daxx]

Regina magically gets pregnant?

[Serena]

Now I'm starting to think the guy they cast isn't adult!Henry at all and they're just two randoms.

On the bright side, at least CS don't lose their daughter.

[Souris]

2 minutes ago, daxx said:

Regina magically gets pregnant?

From Wishverse Robin??

[Mathius]

3 minutes ago, daxx said:

Regina magically gets pregnant?

That was my thought as well: somehow she finds a way to undo the effects of that potion she took.  But then, who's the father?   Alt-Robin?

Now the debate is solely on the guy, and whether he's adult Henry or Emma and Hook's son.  I can honestly see him being either one.

Edited March 9, 2017 by Mathius

[tri4335]

What about it being Jasmine and Aladdin's daughter and still being adult Henry?  That would give one last bone to the SF fans that Emma and Neal were TL. And then they could sign Karen David. I think that JMO, GG JD and RC are out if this goes to Freeform.

Edited March 9, 2017 by tri4335

[PixiePaws1]

He's waay too cute to be a grown Henry (sorry Jared)....he could be a grown up CS lad..or a recast Liam 2.0 ...or an age fiddled Baby Do Over...??

[Souris]

1 minute ago, tri4335 said:

What about it being Jasmine and Aladdin's daughter?

I hope not, since the girl is Hispanic.

[KingOfHearts]

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 But then, who's the father?   Alt-Robin?

The REC causes immaculate conception. Though, I think the girl's skin is too dark to go off of Regina alone.

Could she be Elena...? lol. That's a stretch.

Edited March 10, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[cappoe]

Guys what if this little girl is the daughter of Regina and WishVerse Robin!?

[Mathius]

8 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

He's waay too cute to be a grown Henry (sorry Jared)....he could be a grown up CS lad..or a recast Liam 2.0 ...or an age fiddled Baby Do Over...??

It's not Liam 2.0, since he doesn't fit the casting description at all.  The character in question used to be optimistic and hopeful and lead a happy life.

[Free]

2 minutes ago, Mathius said:

It's not Liam 2.0, since he doesn't fit the casting description at all.  The character in question used to be optimistic and hopeful and lead a happy life.

"used to" implies something bad happened.

[Curio]

Well, I'm really confused now. 

9 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Though, I think the girl's skin is too dark to go off of Regina alone.

Yeah, if we're strictly going off aesthetics, this actress doesn't look like she'd be Regina's daughter. But this is OUAT, she's got to be related to someone in the main cast. Why bring on a random character with no ties to anyone else just for the hell of it? It's TS;TW...everyone is related.

[KingOfHearts]

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Yeah, if we're strictly going off aesthetics, this actress doesn't look like she'd be Regina's daughter. But this is OUAT, she's got to be related to someone in the main cast. Why bring on a random character with no ties to anyone else just for the hell of it? It's TS;TW...everyone is related.

Oh my gosh. It could be Henry and Violet's daughter. If Adult!Henry is 28 and had a child at roughly the same time as Emma had him, it could work. You know the writers would love to repeat the same exact circumstances.

Edited March 10, 2017 by KingOfHearts

[Souris]

6 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Oh my gosh. It could be Henry and Violet's daughter. If Adult!Henry is 28 and had a child at roughly the same time as Emma had him, it could work. You know the writers would love to repeat the same exact circumstances.

But the little girl is Hispanic, and neither Henry nor Violet is. Though if it's not with Violet but with a Hispanic woman, perhaps.

Edited March 10, 2017 by Souris

[KingOfHearts]

Just now, Souris said:

But the little girl is Hispanic, and neither Henry nor Violet is. Though if it's not with Violet, perhaps.

I honestly can't find a single Hispanic character on OUAT, so it probably has to be someone new. Then again, when they cast adult Lily, her ethnicity was completely different from her younger counterpart.

[Rumsy4]

I'm super relieved it's not the CS daughter. My next thought was Regina and wish!Robin's daughter. Because we all know cryptsex 2.0 is bound to happen, and her infertility will be magically cured with "hope". That makes a reboot centered around Regina's children likely, with Lana sticking around for the new iteration. JMo, Gosh, Robert Carlyle are out for sure. Colin is the wild card. I'd be sorry for Colin to lose his job, but I really don't want Hook staying back if Emma's gone. 

The older casting still seems like adult Henry, but they're going to have to explain why Emma is not involved in the reboot. 

[Curio]

6 minutes ago, Rumsy4 said:

My next thought was Regina and wish!Robin's daughter. Because we all know cryptsex 2.0 is bound to happen, and her infertility will be magically cured with "hope".

 

Omg. What if it's the Evil Queen and WishRobin's daughter?

[PixiePaws1]

Worse....EQ and Gold.....!!!

[maryle]

Sorry, for the people who still interesting in a futur reboot but I am less and less interesting in any reboot.

Henry is just not a character I find compelling and the prospect of Regina daughter don't help.

So, we never going to have a cs sexy scene but OQ will have another.

Happy to see everything is right in A.E. world.

[Rumsy4]

20 minutes ago, Curio said:

Omg. What if it's the Evil Queen and WishRobin's daughter?

Not sure they'll go there, but this gave me an idea of how Regina's infertility can be erased. Maybe the infertility went to the EQ and "Regina" was cured. 

11 minutes ago, PixiePaws1 said:

Worse....EQ and Gold.....!!!

Hah! Would love to see that...

[sharky]

I would say she could be Regina's daughter and Henry's half sister. Roland was played by a Hispanic actor so it's been done before. And considering how condensed timelines are on this show, Regina could send Robin off in next week's episode but not realize she's pregnant until the season finale.

Or the actress's ethnicity is throwing people off. Emma was adopted as a kid and Hook was orphaned as a small child. They seem like the perfect parents to adopt a child, which means she could still be a CS child. Perhaps Henry gets moody because when they adopted her, they did so with the understanding that they would keep magic from her, that they would allow her to grow up normally. And then she finds a storybook and takes a bus trip to visit her brother in New York, yadda yadda yadda.

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Henry is just not a character I find compelling and the prospect of Regina daughter don't help.

Just remember this wouldn't be Jared playing Henry but another actor. I could find interest in Henry if he wasn't being played by Jared.

Edited March 10, 2017 by sharky

[Curio]

4 minutes ago, sharky said:

Just remember this wouldn't be Jared playing Henry but another actor. I could find interest in Henry if he wasn't being played by Jared.

 

Same. I have faith that Andrew is going to do a good job, I've liked him in other shows.

[Mari]

55 minutes ago, KingOfHearts said:

Then again, when they cast adult Lily, her ethnicity was completely different from her younger counterpart.

This.

They are completely capable of casting a young Hispanic girl to be the daughter of any pairing on the show--or Moana--should the producers themselves do the casting and not the casting agency, which has a pretty solid history of good choices.

I don't think it's Moana, though.  I don't think Disney would give them Moana rights at this stage.

Could she be one of the children the Black Fairy stole?

[Curio]

4 minutes ago, Mari said:

Could she be one of the children the Black Fairy stole?

 

Tiger Lily's daughter? Is that why Tiger Lily has such an important role in these last few episodes?

[Shanna Marie]

27 minutes ago, sharky said:

I could find interest in Henry if he wasn't being played by Jared.

To me, Jared isn't the problem. The writing for Henry is horrendous. It doesn't help that he's an obvious self-insert character for the writers, so he's an aging Gen-Xer in a teenage body, and that won't be much better in a 20-something body. Then there's the way he's all over the map, being super judgmental about everything the heroes do, not blinking at whatever Regina does, veering wildly between wanting to go to the Underworld to save Hook and suddenly resenting him being in the house. I don't think the character will become much more palatable as an adult, no matter who plays him. The only thing that might be fixed is the disconcerting blend of a character in his very early teens played by a late teen (by this point) actor who varies between being written as though he's still ten and written as though he's the actor's real age, and then sometimes as though he's 45. If they cast someone who's the right age and who isn't still growing, then at least they might be able to settle on what age he's supposed to be, though there's still the chance that he would then swing between being written as though he's ten and being written as though he's 45.

I'm betting the girl is Regina's daughter, and they're going to be doing their own version of The Descendants (the Disney Channel show). They may be getting rid of all the adult characters, except for in flashbacks. The present day will be the child, teen and young adult characters, with occasional flashbacks of the OUAT characters. Regina's daughter will, of course, be the new Savior. Wish!Robin is likely the dad, and this is the reason for bringing him back. The fact that Regina and Robin are soulmates will be what creates a Savior.

Edited March 10, 2017 by Shanna Marie

[maryle]

I did watched dead of summer so the actor is good but I will need Henry to be writing differently to make him a good lead. (Too much of a Gary sue)

Shanna Marie I written my feeling about Henry better than me.

Don't really care if the girl is cs adoptive daughter or not.  Probably prefer both to be new characters.

And less flashback too! 

Edited March 10, 2017 by maryle

[sharky]

1 minute ago, Curio said:

Tiger Lily's daughter? Is that why Tiger Lily has such an important role in these last few episodes?

Ohhhhhhh! That actually sounds so cool. Why did you put that out in the world? I want this to happen now and will be disappointed when it doesn't. Now that Pan is gone, Hook can travel to Neverland and bring Tiger Lily to Storybrooke. Ohhhhhhhh! And what if Henry breaks up with Violet -- it was young puppy love anyway. And then he and Tiger Lily, who hasn't aged on Neverland (like a pirate we know) fall in love and have a daughter and then something happens to Tiger Lily and he has to send his daughter somewhere to be safe because he wants a better life for her -- just like Emma did for him and Charming and Snow did for Emma. And then she finds a book and then she finds her dad, who is 28 years old and angry that he had to send his daughter away to protect her and ohhhhhhhhh why has this been put out in the world? Damn you, @Curio!

[Souris]

I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they wouldn't cast a Hispanic actress as the daughter of a Caucasian and Native American. I will spit at them if they do.

[sharky]

They cast a white woman to be the adult version of a Hispanic teenager. They're color-blind or something or whatever.

[Curio]

4 minutes ago, sharky said:

They cast a white woman to be the adult version of a Hispanic teenager. They're color-blind or something or whatever.

Jamie Chung, a second-generation Korean American, also plays Mulan, a character based on Chinese history. I think the casting department only cares about the overall aesthetic look and acting ability. If someone can "pass off" as being something else, they'll bend the rules as long as they think the actor fits the part.

Here's a crazy idea... Remember this article? Well, what if Hook's "blast from the past" is actually a fling he had in Neverland and accidentally knocked up? But because people on Neverland don't age, Tiger Lily pulled an Ashley and stayed pregnant for centuries. “Tiger Lily is the latest to return and complicate [Hook's] efforts to leave that past behind.” We all assumed this would be a repetitive Hook flashback where Hook wants revenge, he does something to piss off Tiger Lily in a flashback, but then he makes up for it in the present by doing something nice. You know, the usual Hook Centric 101 Episode Format. But instead of the usual lather, rinse, repeat, what if the drama he has to deal with is that he's got a kid coming soon, which throws a wrench into his proposal/wedding plans with Emma?

Sorry, I'm just imagining worst case scenarios right now. I don't trust this show as far as I can throw it.

[Rumsy4]

@Curio You need to take a nap and get rid of all these nightmarish scenarios. lol