lemotomato March 16, 2016 Share March 16, 2016 (edited) Interesting analysis comparing the ratings of network shows this season vs last season. Arrow was one of the few shows whose ratings stayed the same. Not bad for a show in its 4th season that the network barely bothers to promote. http://www.vulture.com/2016/03/2015-2016-tv-season-in-one-depressing-chart.html Edited March 16, 2016 by lemotomato 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2058478
ArrowFan March 18, 2016 Share March 18, 2016 Both 308 and 408 scored the exact same demo 1.4 and were only off by 260K viewers, roughly a 6.6% drop year to year. I wouldn't call that "quite a bit". That's absolutely only quite a bit less. The first crossover, is to some extent, just like a pilot, and gets the HIGHEST number of views because everyone tunes in, sees if they like it. Then the next time (a 2nd episode, or a 2nd crossover), the audience lessens. 260k less isn't that much, especially when you consider demo was still the same. Demo is the PROPORTION of the audience watching. So while there were less watchers, the #s basically say that its the same percent of the audience watching as last year. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2065074
Soulfire March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Preliminary overnight ratings for 4x16 -- Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082195
looptab March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Shit! Though it was kinda expected. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082202
dtissagirl March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 YIKES. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082206
way2interested March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Series low for Arrow, too, it seems. Bad week for DC shows, it seems, since they all had their series lows. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082211
tv echo March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 (edited) That's pretty low. I guess the BMD is proving to be a bad decision. ETA: To clarify, I don't think that's the only reason, but maybe a contributing factor to the extent of the drop. Edited March 24, 2016 by tv echo 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082226
Morrigan2575 March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 (edited) Series low for Arrow, too, it seems. Bad week for DC shows, it seems, since they all had their series lows. It hit a 0.7 a three times in S2 and the ratings hit that low too (2.19 for 220). honestly it's not unexpected, Flash dropped 2 tenths, Arrow appears to have dropped 3 tenths (unless it adjusts up in the finals). It's not good but given that Arrow, Flash and SPN have been off the air for a month and had very little promotion while on break it's expected. PS - Want to talk about a Loyal Audience...I'll point you to SPN only dropped a tenth in the ratings and gets even less love than Arrow...My Boys! Edited March 24, 2016 by Morrigan2575 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082230
Chaser March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Considering all the CW shows took a dive this week, I hesitant to blame it on a particular storyline. Though it does fit the pattern of ratings going down after Olicity ends on a negative note. Curious about Twitter ratings and I hope it does adjust up. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082234
NumberCruncher March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Not surprising. The CW is really getting slapped all around this week. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082251
dtissagirl March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Yeah, conjunction of factors. The soft trend of nobody liking when mommy and daddy fight persists, and then 1. daylight savings, 2. non sweeps month, 3. month long hiatus 4. with almost zero promotion, 5. when every other CW show is also taking a hit = 0.7 in the demo for the first time since S2. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082275
Guest March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Yikes. LOL. Here we go... Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082278
way2interested March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 It hit a 0.7 a three times in S2 and the ratings hit that low too (2.19 for 220). honestly it's not unexpected, Flash dropped 2 tenths, Arrow appears to have dropped 3 tenths (unless it adjusts up in the finals). It's not good but given that Arrow, Flash and SPN have been off the air for a month and had very little promotion while on break it's expected. PS - Want to talk about a Loyal Audience...I'll point you to SPN only dropped a tenth in the ratings and gets even less love than Arrow...My Boys! Oh, I know that. I was just comparing the series low (220 that had .7 and 2.19 viewers) with this episode (.7 with 2.14). Like you said, it was to be expected, especially after getting Flash's ratings for this week and the *surprising* lack of promotion. People wanted this to be like s2...Well, here's s2's ratings. And I will always love Supernatural's longevity. Yeah, conjunction of factors. The soft trend of nobody liking when mommy and daddy fight persists, and then 1. daylight savings, 2. non sweeps month, 3. month long hiatus 4. with almost zero promotion, 5. when every other CW show is also taking a hit = 0.7 in the demo for the first time since S2. Love bringing up factors that logically affect ratings besides "Romance kills the show." I'll need to hang on to this list once I see the complaints. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082290
Chaser March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Considering that people on this board were questioning when it the show returned, yeah something was missing in the promotion. LOL - Looking at the across the board renewals, a part of me just wants to say that The CW doesn't care about traditional ratings anyway. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082298
NumberCruncher March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 LOL - Looking at the across the board renewals, a part of me just wants to say that The CW doesn't care about traditional ratings anyway. Honestly I don't think you're far off in thinking exactly that. The network has repeatedly said it gets a healthy portion of its viewership through other means (e.g. DVR, official streaming, Netflix, international airings, etc.). Considering how many CW shows with absolutely abysmal ratings get renewed for multiple seasons, clearly the network views things a bit differently than the others do. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082337
dtissagirl March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Love bringing up factors that logically affect ratings besides "Romance kills the show." I'll need to hang on to this list once I see the complaints. The best part is because WE DON'T KNOW for sure how much influence actual storylines have in the ratings, it's just as likely that lack of romance [i.e. O/F breaking up] kills the show. For any hypothetical viewer who stops watching because they get cooties from fictional people kissing, there might be some other hypothetical viewer who quit because they don't wanna watch Arrow without the kissing. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082390
Soulfire March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Arrow placed third on the Nielsen Daily Top Five -- Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082420
lemotomato March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 Interesting rankings in the Nielsen Twitter ratings. I was watching the trends last night and Supernatural had ~50k tweets compared to Arrow's ~40k by the end of the West coast airing of Arrow. I guess there's just more to talk about during the episode? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082454
dtissagirl March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 ...If only they hadn't announced Shemar Moore is leaving Criminal Minds last night, Arrow. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2082456
bijoux March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 I'll tell you one thing those Nielsen ratings accomplished. I just googled both Criminal Minds: Beyond Borders and Catfish: The TV Show. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2083049
quarks March 24, 2016 Share March 24, 2016 (edited) No adjustment in the final ratings/viewers. Probably just as well that Arrow and the CW seem more interested in post views. Still. Arrow, of course, was returning from a hiatus, which historically has had mixed effects on ratings/viewers. In this particular case I don't think that the CW exactly did the best job of letting viewers know that new episodes of Flash and Arrow would even be on this week, so I expect that was probably the biggest factor - pretty much all of the CW shows seem to be struggling this week so far. Arrow has historically struggled with ratings/viewers in its post-Feb sweeps season, so this fits right in with that trend. The spoilers - both the accidental and intentional ones - apparently drove up chatter, but not necessarily interest in live viewing (at least this episode; the numbers for episodes 18 and 19 will be fascinating). A number of fans are voicing that they are bored with the flashbacks. And, of course, the last episode featured Vixen, leading to a spike in total viewers (2.44 to 2.70). This would look a little different if that episode had been around 2.50 viewers. Still, I think it's notable that Arrow saw a jump in viewers right after Oliver and Felicity's engagement party in 414, and then reached a series low for viewers right after Oliver and Felicity broke up, seemingly forever and ever in 415, from 2.70 to 2.09. That's not just a series low - that's a 22.5% drop, the worst drop, with the exception of the post-Flash December crossover episodes, not just for the season, but the entire series. It's worse than the drop after Sara's death (18%) which, along with the fan response, was bad enough to have Sara brought back to another show, and the drop for "Crucible" which aired against game 7 of a very controversial, highly watched World Series. To be fair, if we discount the Vixen spike, and use the other February numbers of 2.48, 2.44, and 2.44, it's a 14% drop. Still bad, and worse than most previous drops, but not quite as bad. Since ratings/viewers recovered after both "Sara" and "Crucible," I doubt that Arrow or the CW is particularly concerned about this. And of course, as "Crucible" demonstrated, it's rarely a good idea to read too much into the numbers for any one single episode, especially when outside factors may be involved. Still, this is a significant drop, and yet another example of the number of viewers popping up after a sign that Oliver and Felicity will stay together (their engagement party) and dropping as soon as the couple splits apart. It's still a weak trend with several counter examples, but it does seem to be there. Edited March 24, 2016 by quarks 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2083613
statsgirl March 25, 2016 Share March 25, 2016 That's not just a series low - that's a 22.5% drop, the worst drop, with the exception of the post-Flash December crossover episodes, not just for the season, but the entire series. It's worse than the drop after Sara's death (18%) which, along with the fan response, was bad enough to have Sara brought back to another show, and the drop for "Crucible" which aired against game 7 of a very controversial, highly watched World Series. To be fair, if we discount the Vixen spike, and use the other February numbers of 2.48, 2.44, and 2.44, it's a 14% drop. Still bad, and worse than most previous drops, but not quite as bad. So if I'm looking for good news, it's a sign to the suits that a happy Olicity means better numbers? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2084357
quarks March 25, 2016 Share March 25, 2016 So if I'm looking for good news, it's a sign to the suits that a happy Olicity means better numbers? Generally speaking, yes. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2084497
tarotx March 25, 2016 Share March 25, 2016 I think fans want a hope filled Arrow/Oliver. We don't like a depressing show. One of the draws of a Superhero is the hope they bring. When Sara died last season and with Oliver losing his light now-hope seems far away. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2085203
tv echo March 25, 2016 Share March 25, 2016 (edited) Arrow placed third on the Nielsen Daily Top Five -- The above chart was also tweeted by the Arrow Writers Room, with the comment: "Well helllooooooo @Nielsen Twitter TV Ratings... #Arrow #KillinIt" (so they are paying attention to social media stuff) ... https://twitter.com/ARROWwriters/status/713101232143933440 Edited March 25, 2016 by tv echo 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2085586
ArrowFan March 26, 2016 Share March 26, 2016 It hit a 0.7 a three times in S2 and the ratings hit that low too (2.19 for 220). honestly it's not unexpected, Flash dropped 2 tenths, Arrow appears to have dropped 3 tenths (unless it adjusts up in the finals). It's not good but given that Arrow, Flash and SPN have been off the air for a month and had very little promotion while on break it's expected. PS - Want to talk about a Loyal Audience...I'll point you to SPN only dropped a tenth in the ratings and gets even less love than Arrow...My Boys! Supernatural is like 10 or 11 seasons in, isn't it? The ones who stay at this point are the core audience. The ones who will almost never leave. It makes sense it's stable. Arrow is still in a position where it can bring in more viewers (or alternatively scare away too many). I am going to blame this PURELY on piss poor promotion. Not only did all CW shows basically get poor promotion, Arrow basically got nothing. Arrow was the only CW DC show that did not have a video on Batman vs. Superman (who'd win). It's not a big deal in the big picture, but it's just a small example of how the damn network seems to ALWAYS FORGET about the show that started it all. CW, CW Arrow, and any related promotional entities HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO PROMOTE A SHOW. It makes me very angry. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2087233
EmilyBettFan March 26, 2016 Share March 26, 2016 A select few are saying because there was the "wedding" photo they took that as promotion and that it was "shoved down their throats." lmfao! That's not freaking promotion. Especially considering it was a ploy and not something some Olicity fans liked. The only promotion they had was the clips during the day of the show and promo photos just a couple of days before the airing! 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2087568
tv echo March 26, 2016 Share March 26, 2016 The episode descriptions in the TV Guide and elsewhere made it clear that it was a fake wedding (to be bait for Cupid). Also, if I recall correctly, the first Cupid episode (last season) had low ratings. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2087822
Guest March 26, 2016 Share March 26, 2016 (edited) Sorry but one wedding promo that was released weeks ago on twitter does not equal promotion. There's a general audience out there that doesn't see things posted on twitter or tumblr or wherever. They go by what's written in the episode description and that's not even everyone. I have friends and family who watch the show as casual viewers and they had no idea about any fake wedding. They thought O/F were done. But let's not forget that every single show had a ratings drop this week. We're coming off a 3-4 week hiatus, there was no promotion until the day before (seriously not even Facebook had any promo until this week) and it's Daylight savings. Even people on these boards were confused about when the show was coming back. LOL. Edited March 26, 2016 by Guest Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2087835
EmilyBettFan March 26, 2016 Share March 26, 2016 ^ Exactly! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2088967
Password March 27, 2016 Share March 27, 2016 Even people on these boards were confused about when the show was coming back. *blushes profusely* Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2089846
Soulfire March 31, 2016 Share March 31, 2016 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2102601
Starfish35 March 31, 2016 Share March 31, 2016 (edited) Arrow went up to 0.9 last night. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/the-sked-wednesday-ratings-3-30-2016.html ETA: Jinx. :) Edited March 31, 2016 by Starfish35 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2102602
tv echo March 31, 2016 Share March 31, 2016 Still on the low side. It'll be interesting to see next week's ratings. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2102617
NumberCruncher March 31, 2016 Share March 31, 2016 Like those numbers because they just prove what we were saying before (i.e. that last week was an off week for all CW shows). Arrow bounced right back into its usual 0.9 to 1.1 range like clockwork. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2102625
statsgirl March 31, 2016 Share March 31, 2016 It's not only the CW -- other than Empire, which is the current It show, nothing got above a 1.2 and only Survivor, Criminal Minds and Rosewood (why?) also got above 1.0, Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2103059
Velocity23 March 31, 2016 Share March 31, 2016 Rosewood gets the pre-tuning viewers from Empire. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2103215
Velocity23 March 31, 2016 Share March 31, 2016 Final numbers for Arrow are 0.9 and 2.4 mil viewers 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2103629
Morrigan2575 April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 Rumor has it that Chicago will be preempted for a basketball game. Ratings should be affected by that one. Chicago is a big market. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2119575
Coop33 April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 Fortunately, Chicago is preempted on Thursday night for basketball, not tomorrow. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2119606
NumberCruncher April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 I thought I saw that the basketball preemption is happening for 4x19, not tomorrow. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2119616
Morrigan2575 April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 Oh that's good. Wait 4/19? That's 2 weeks away still. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2119623
NumberCruncher April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 The rumor is that 4x19 and 4x22 are the two episode affected in the Chicago market (and it's apparently for baseball): https://twitter.com/TriciaTesH/status/717506529637888000 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2119656
Chaser April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 Preempted during sweeps. That sucks. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2119665
Sakura12 April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 (edited) Yep, LoT is being preempted for Baseball, not tomorrow's Arrow. The Chicago CW only exists during prime time. The rest of the time it's WGN and they like to play sports over tv shows. Edited April 6, 2016 by Sakura12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2119677
kismet April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 I really hope that 418 & 419 are not pre-empted in any markets because I an really curious what the changes in the ratings are going to be after this big death . I don't really want any changes to be explained as a result of extraneous reasons. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2120368
BkWurm1 April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 But just coming back to 4-19 after another hiatus is going to mess with the numbers. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2120522
AyChihuahua April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 If not for the hiatus, I'd be quite comfortable 19's ratings would be high. Not because of hate, but the show is doing something that causes chatter and interest. Hiatus, though... 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2120700
Chaser April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 Im hoping they learned their lesson last hiatus and actually promote the show during the break. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2120712
Morrigan2575 April 6, 2016 Share April 6, 2016 Yep, LoT is being preempted for Baseball, not tomorrow's Arrow. The Chicago CW only exists during prime time. The rest of the time it's WGN and they like to play sports over tv shows.It's that time of year. Every spring the CW grts preempted for sports, especially in Chicago. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/18942-ratings-and-scheduling-hail-to-the-gods/page/25/#findComment-2120729
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