Eileen Davidson: Queen Eileen, Bold and Beautiful

[Satchels of gold]

I know hindsight is 20/20 but a brilliant answer for Elieen to give would have been " I really don't like to discuss that out of respect for ......( insert ex wife's name that I don't know ) and Vince's children." Who could argue with that? or as ZM suggested talk to LVP off camera. Was she just looking for something to be mad over? I feel Elieen is bright and generally very likable but why she picked this hill to die on just escapes me.

[KFC]

And to the second point, LVP has built relationships OFF camera as well (Joyce, Kathryn, Taylor, Carlton and she continues to work on her friendship with Kyle on and off screen). If LVP is standoffish to some of the women, it's not fair to make that as a blanket statement when it doesn't apply to all of them. 

 

It's not so much a blanket statement that applies to LVP's treatment of the other women so much as it is a pattern of treatment of people in general. I think Lisa has always been quite strategic in cozying up to the newbies she think she can align with her, and then she'll discard them when the public sentiment has turned against them. 

 

And I'm not even talking about Brandi, incidentally. Carlton, for example, has admitted that LVP and her haven't talked since she was let go. And her calling Carlton "witchypoo" ON CAMERA to Kyle was further proof to me that those two are not friends.

 

And I'll never forget Marisa Zanuck saying how surprised she was to find that Lisa was a different person once the cameras stopped rolling. Marisa had thought LVP would be the one she'd get along most with, but to her surprise Lisa wouldn't give her the time of day when the cameras weren't present. I've heard this A LOT about Lisa, so I see no reason to believe it's untrue. The DWTS folks have said that, as have the cast of Shahs of Sunset. 

 

It's certainly Lisa's prerogative to behave as she pleases and to befriend as she pleases, but I don't for a second believe she's the norm, not even among her castmates, in how she treats her fellow co-workers. Looping this back to Eileen, even LVP's BFF Kyle has said how strategic Lisa is with her relationships, so I find it understandable and completely logical that Eileen would think Lisa's pulling a fast one on her by asking about the affair, when it had already been discussed the season prior. 

 

TL;DR version: It's been well-documented that nothing Lisa does or says is by accident, everything is cultivated for the cameras. So I absolutely think Eileen was right to have raised her eyebrows at the original affair question as being something other than an innocent question.

[RHJunkie]

You're using your 'evidence' from a reality show. These shows aren't built on existing friendships. They bring people into the fray (sometimes exaggerating connections to make sense of the 'new girl'.  Every single franchise has admitted that not all the women keep in contact outside of filming. They are co-workers. None of the women are expected or should be judged negatively for not pursuing or building a relationship with any of her co-workers if there wasn't something there during filming that would inspire a relationship off camera. Why treat it as though it should be seen as a negative? There are people that I work with that I like a lot but our connection is forged primarily through our jobs. While we hang out, we do so at the convenience of our work day (lunches, after work dinner/drinks) but we don't call each other up to hang out on a Saturday. What assumption would you make of me?

 

 

What public sentiment was against Eileen that she would try to throw her under the bus after a pleasant first season with her? What did LVP benefit from that? Because once Eileen addressed her concern, LVP didn't talk about that kind of stuff anymore. LVP didn't gossip with the other women about it either so it's not like she was using it as a means to take Eileen down or have the women turn on her. She also didn't say anything disparaging about Eileen in her THs other than calling her a dog with a bone because she wouldn't drop it.

 

 

Well document by who? Are we going to pretend that a collectively shared opinion is actual evidence of someone's intent?



For all of the evidence you give, I could give examples to counter them and challenge those theories. If you believe that literally everything out of someone's mouth is calculated then naturally you will take everything out of their mouth and find a way to make it negative. This isn't specific to LVP but just generally speaking. I'm in no way defending LVP's approach at that dinner, but to pretend that this entire thing transpired solely by LVP's is way too far out for me to get on board with.

 

I can prove all the ways Eileen handled the situation poorly but neither of us can prove the intent of anyone. So why is so much being overshadowed by a single detail that not a single one of us can prove? To make it all about LVP is really pulling strings and theories to fit whatever narrative we want to believe. How about we pull away for a second and instead of defending either woman we just admit that neither of them behaved like a 'friend' to one another.

[zoeysmom]

You're using your 'evidence' from a reality show. These shows aren't built on existing friendships. They bring people into the fray (sometimes exaggerating connections to make sense of the 'new girl'.  Every single franchise has admitted that not all the women keep in contact outside of filming. They are co-workers. None of the women are expected or should be judged negatively for not pursuing or building a relationship with any of her co-workers if there wasn't something there during filming that would inspire a relationship off camera. Why treat it as though it should be seen as a negative? There are people that I work with that I like a lot but our connection is forged primarily through our jobs. While we hang out, we do so at the convenience of our work day (lunches, after work dinner/drinks) but we don't call each other up to hang out on a Saturday. What assumption would you make of me?

 

 

What public sentiment was against Eileen that she would try to throw her under the bus after a pleasant first season with her? What did LVP benefit from that? Because once Eileen addressed her concern, LVP didn't talk about that kind of stuff anymore. LVP didn't gossip with the other women about it either so it's not like she was using it as a means to take Eileen down or have the women turn on her. She also didn't say anything disparaging about Eileen in her THs other than calling her a dog with a bone because she wouldn't drop it.

 

 

Well document by who? Are we going to pretend that a collectively shared opinion is actual evidence of someone's intent?



For all of the evidence you give, I could give examples to counter them and challenge those theories. If you believe that literally everything out of someone's mouth is calculated then naturally you will take everything out of their mouth and find a way to make it negative. This isn't specific to LVP but just generally speaking. I'm in no way defending LVP's approach at that dinner, but to pretend that this entire thing transpired solely by LVP's is way too far out for me to get on board with.

 

I can prove all the ways Eileen handled the situation poorly but neither of us can prove the intent of anyone. So why is so much being overshadowed by a single detail that not a single one of us can prove? To make it all about LVP is really pulling strings and theories to fit whatever narrative we want to believe. How about we pull away for a second and instead of defending either woman we just admit that neither of them behaved like a 'friend' to one another.

Vanderpump and LVP alone has a unique situation.  She is EP on a show where for the most part the cast was in place and under her employee.  She can ask the most invasive questions of all time and express her dislike for a member of the Vanderpump Rules crew with zero blowback.  If she does it on this show she does not have the control.  What is a homerun on VDR is a strike out on RHOBH.  These women expect to be treated as equals-except Yolanda who expects to be placed on a pedestal and worshipped.  So when LVP  makes a questionable comment there is triad that arises, her intent, her motivation and finally the return from the target.  So in Eileen's case was the intent to get a dig at Eileen because she left the hotel or was it to honestly get to know her because she is dull as dirt?  Was LVP's motivation to get the show moving or to make sure Rinna and Eileen didn't stage a coup?  How adept was Eileen going to be at handling the comment/inquiry?  Maybe it was something totally unrelated as the nerve of Bravo to bring Bethenny into her storyline the cover shoot.  By causing a bit of a dust up,  even Bethenny's ripped drawers get overlooked.  The Hamptons is all about LVP and Eileen.

[RHJunkie]

You'll have to refresh my memory of exactly what went down with the hotel thing because I can't remember anything offensive that set Eileen apart from the other two women that left right alongside with her. Even if t was a dig in reaction, the whole storyline and fallout was all based on Eileen's reaction which only Eileen can control. It's not like LVP only throws shade undercover. When Eileen said she couldn't make it to the protest, LVP clearly took a dig at her by discrediting her reason for not going. Her comment implied that Eileen didn't care about the cause, but I think it also implied that Eileen wasn't going because it was LVP's event.

Eileen isn't getting blowback because LVP was pushing the issue. Eileen is getting pushback because no matter how much you nitpick LVP's initial questions, it's because of the many failures of Eileen when it came to handling the situation. The most damaging was how involved she became with the Manchausen discussion AFTER the dinner incident. That came across as a calculated move. Cheating isn't good but it doesn't label someone's character. Promoting someone as a manipulator is a smear to their character so why treat LVP's calculation as being a worse offense than Eileen's?

How do you call someone your friend and assume the worst intent of them, then share it with others and call them manipulative followed with a 'but don't get me wrong, I like LVP'. Are you kidding me? This is an example of why Eileen has been the worse kind of behavior to witness on shows like this. She is projecting the same behavior in the very same breath that she is condemning someone else for. She's similar to Yolanda and Kenya - they exhibit poor behavior and want everyone to believe in their integrity, honour and appreciation for honesty. Don't ask people to own up to something if you can't own up to your own faults in the situation either.

[jaync]

Yes, it came up last season. It was brought up by Brandi, because it was already known.

​Eileen having been married three times didn't come up, though. (At least I don't remember it, and was surprised when she said she'd been divorced twice.)

 

Eileen needs to stop feigning the vapors and realize that her affair with Vince is one of the most interesting things about her.

[Satchels of gold]

For sure it was a pot meet kettle situation. She clearly used Lisar people pleasing tendencies to her advantage. When Lisa wasn't attacking LVP to her liking she started to get angry stating " why do I always have to be left holding the bag?" Until Lisar got the message that Eileen was displeased that she wasn't confronting LVP. The biggest loser this season is Lisar. She is a grown woman conforming her behavoir to please either LVP or her bff depending on who's version you beleive. Either way that's pitiful. Get a backbone lady!

[Umbelina]

Eileen handled it OK with Brandi though.

 

Maybe her son was embarrassed at school about all of that in the intervening year though?

 

Who knows.  Were I Eileen, I would probably just say "What can I say, it was that love at first sight thing, I think for both of us.  X years and one lovely child later, we are still very much in love.  How did your affair begin with Ken, did the age difference bother you or him, did you know from the first that he was the man for you?"

 

Instead, she made it a huge story all year long, so if it was the embarrassed kid?  Fail.

[zoeysmom]

Eileen handled it OK with Brandi though.

 

Maybe her son was embarrassed at school about all of that in the intervening year though?

 

Who knows.  Were I Eileen, I would probably just say "What can I say, it was that love at first sight thing, I think for both of us.  X years and one lovely child later, we are still very much in love.  How did your affair begin with Ken, did the age difference bother you or him, did you know from the first that he was the man for you?"

 

Instead, she made it a huge story all year long, so if it was the embarrassed kid?  Fail.

What Eileen worked hard at and is trying to avoid is minimizing  Vince's first marriage. I think it has as much to do with his sons from the first marriage as it does with the minor child.  Perhaps LVP could not appreciate Eileen's position.

[thewhiteowl]

What Eileen worked hard at and is trying to avoid is minimizing  Vince's first marriage. I think it has as much to do with his sons from the first marriage as it does with the minor child.  Perhaps LVP could not appreciate Eileen's position.

 

I think she pretty effectively minimized the first marriage when she had the affair. Refusing to discuss it doesn't change a thing. ED seems fairly articulate, at least she was with Brandi so I don't understand why she wasn't with LVP but she wasn't. I can't possibly know what LVP's intent was, I can only go by what was shown. ED did not shut it down and I believe she could have, she didn't even seem to think she had a reason to be pissed until later so why should Lisa be sorry? Even if LVP had some bad intent for whatever reason, what did she do that was so horrific? Ask questions? ED was free not to answer, the water-boarding wasn't shown.

[Vicky8675309]

I'm confused as to why was Eileen the one who told Rinna to talk to Yo about Munchie AFTER Eileen had already told Yo that Rinna had talked about it. 

Ok, that is convoluted. Why did Eileen tell Yo about Munchie rather than let Rinna tell Yo? Did Rinna know Eileen had already told Yo? If so then was she pissed? If not then was she pissed? I don't understand why Eileen is involved in this situation.

[WireWrap]

I don't understand why Eileen is involved in this situation.

She got involved to prove that LisaV has nefarious intentions all the time. That LisaV is pulling everyone's puppet strings. That she and Rinna are not at fault for anything and that Kyle is a pitiful weak person afraid to say/do anything against big bad LisaV. She has to show that Rinna isn't the one to blame for the Munchausen talk because she can't be friends with Rinna and Yolanda at the same time, Yolanda wouldn't allow it unless Rinna is cleared of all guilt. AND, she was desperate for a storyline, she had nothing else to offer. LOL

[Vicky8675309]

She got involved to prove that LisaV has nefarious intentions all the time. That LisaV is pulling everyone's puppet strings. That she and Rinna are not at fault for anything and that Kyle is a pitiful weak person afraid to say/do anything against big bad LisaV. She has to show that Rinna isn't the one to blame for the Munchausen talk because she can't be friends with Rinna and Yolanda at the same time, Yolanda wouldn't allow it unless Rinna is cleared of all guilt. AND, she was desperate for a storyline, she had nothing else to offer. LOL

 

but she threw Rinna under the bus to Yo

 

so Rinna goes to Yo and says "sorry for engaging in munchie talk" yet doesn't mention LVP...so how does that help Eileen. Wouldn't Eileen have primed Rinna into throwing LVP under the bus before Rinna confessed to Yo?

 

Also, aren't Eileen and Rinna closer friends than Eileen and Yo?

I'm not trying to ask leading questions and I don't have an agenda....I'm really curious about Eileen telling Yo about Rinna's Munchie talk. I thought Eileen was close to Rinna so I don't get this "tattling" and then telling Rinna to confess to Yo (did Rinna know Eileen had already told Yo)

[WireWrap]

but she threw Rinna under the bus to Yo

 

so Rinna goes to Yo and says "sorry for engaging in munchie talk" yet doesn't mention LVP...so how does that help Eileen. Wouldn't Eileen have primed Rinna into throwing LVP under the bus before Rinna confessed to Yo?

 

Also, aren't Eileen and Rinna closer friends than Eileen and Yo?

I'm not trying to ask leading questions and I don't have an agenda....I'm really curious about Eileen telling Yo about Rinna's Munchie talk. I thought Eileen was close to Rinna so I don't get this "tattling" and then telling Rinna to confess to Yo (did Rinna know Eileen had already told Yo)

Eileen claims she made an oopsie when she squealed on Rinna to Yolanda about Munchausen. LisaV and Kyle started to defend Rinna immediately to Yolanda and  Eileen spoke up that Rinna meant no harm as well.

At that point, Rinna wasn't crying "manipulation", the only one doing that was Eileen because she was/is so pissed about the "affair" questions and not getting an apology worthy of her. She needed to put a wedge between Rinna and LisaV to help put a wedge between Kyle and LisaV.

IRL, Rinna was closer to LisaV and Kyle than she ever was to Eileen. Rinna and Eileen got close last season but didn't bond until this season. I don't know that Rinna found out it was Eileen that sold her out to Yolanda until she saw the videos and by then Eileen had already convinced Rinna that LisaV manipulated her into everything.

As for Yolanda/Eileen. I think Eileen started to substitute her late sister with Yolanda, emotionally that is. She even said that Yolanda's health struggles and her medicine closet reminded her of that sister. And that sister shut her and the rest of the family out until it was too late for her, the cancer had spread and there was nothing anyone could do to stop it.

[Vicky8675309]

Eileen claims she made an oopsie when she squealed on Rinna to Yolanda about Munchausen. LisaV and Kyle started to defend Rinna immediately to Yolanda and  Eileen spoke up that Rinna meant no harm as well.

At that point, Rinna wasn't crying "manipulation", the only one doing that was Eileen because she was/is so pissed about the "affair" questions and not getting an apology worthy of her. She needed to put a wedge between Rinna and LisaV to help put a wedge between Kyle and LisaV.

IRL, Rinna was closer to LisaV and Kyle than she ever was to Eileen. Rinna and Eileen got close last season but didn't bond until this season. I don't know that Rinna found out it was Eileen that sold her out to Yolanda until she saw the videos and by then Eileen had already convinced Rinna that LisaV manipulated her into everything.

As for Yolanda/Eileen. I think Eileen started to substitute her late sister with Yolanda, emotionally that is. She even said that Yolanda's health struggles and her medicine closet reminded her of that sister. And that sister shut her and the rest of the family out until it was too late for her, the cancer had spread and there was nothing anyone could do to stop it.

 

duh, I feel stupid--> I remember Eileen's "oopsie" and for some reason thought she had some separate scene with Yo where she told her one on one about Rinna. That must have been my imagination. Anyway, I'm sure Erika called Yo after Erika's & Rinna's talk where Erika also told Rinna to confess to Yo. This is so stupid and crazy--like junior high school level shenanigans 

 

Eileen had some other "oopsie" moment that also felt contrived imo but I can't remember what it entailed

 

Yeah, Eileen's sister substitution is etched in my brain since I have many thoughts/feelings about it that I can't express here

 

Thanks wirewrap for clearing everything up

[PhilMarlowe2]

And to the second point, LVP has built relationships OFF camera as well (Joyce, Kathryn, Taylor, Carlton and she continues to work on her friendship with Kyle on and off screen).

 

FWIW, Carlton has said that LVP dropped her once it was announced she wouldn't be asked back to the show. And a lot of the women, including Kyle, intimated that her sudden turnaround with Taylor was more of a calculated PR move.

 

I will say LVP got off to a rocky start, in Italy plying Kyle with questions to the point one of the Umansky kids had to ask her to stop.

A repeat in the Hamptons with Eileen.

Two days later she bombards Erika for the second time.

Her go to response from anyone questioning her conversation is, ask me anything I have nothing to hide.  Which is misdirection at its finest.

 

Don't forget that Kathryn initially found LVP off-putting when she first met her (intrusive questions) - but then of course, she completely backtracked in her blog and gave some revisionist reason for her TH's expressing displeasure at LVP's line of questioning.

Edited April 22, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[WireWrap]

FWIW, Carlton has said that LVP dropped her once it was announced she wouldn't be asked back to the show. And a lot of the women, including Kyle, intimated that her sudden turnaround with Taylor was more of a calculated PR move.

 

 

Don't forget that Kathryn initially found LVP off-putting when she first met her (intrusive questions) - but then of course, she completely backtracked in her blog and gave some revisionist reason for her TH's expressing displeasure at LVP's line of questioning.

Heck, Erika said in her TH and I think in her blog that she had no problems with the questions LisaV asked her. That they had a good time in that limo ride.

[zoeysmom]

Heck, Erika said in her TH and I think in her blog that she had no problems with the questions LisaV asked her. That they had a good time in that limo ride.

Which begs the question where did Erika develop this negative opinion of LVP?  Times up.  That leaves Yolanda.

[NewDigs]

Which begs the question where did Erika develop this negative opinion of LVP?  Times up.  That leaves Yolanda.

I developed my LVP negative opinion fron LVP.

Can't speak for Erika. Stranger things have happened.

[KFC]

You're using your 'evidence' from a reality show. These shows aren't built on existing friendships. They bring people into the fray (sometimes exaggerating connections to make sense of the 'new girl'.  Every single franchise has admitted that not all the women keep in contact outside of filming. They are co-workers. None of the women are expected or should be judged negatively for not pursuing or building a relationship with any of her co-workers if there wasn't something there during filming that would inspire a relationship off camera. Why treat it as though it should be seen as a negative?

Well document by who? Are we going to pretend that a collectively shared opinion is actual evidence of someone's intent?

 

Well considering that's not what I said, no.

 

All I AM saying is what motorcitymom already pointed out: That Lisa Vanderpump's been frequently described her as calculating and two different people -- the uber-strategic, charming on-camera persona and then the dismissive, cold won't-acknowledge-you-off-camera person. That's not expecting her to form off-camera friendships with the other HWs. That's just pointing out the obvious paradox in what she presents to the camera and who she likely is.

 

And that as a result, Eileen was probably wary of Lisa's intentions when asking about the affair, because Lisa's questions are seldom (if ever) innocuous. I'm not claiming to know Lisa's intent in asking Eileen about the affair, nor did I ever. I never even said Eileen handled the situation well, all I said is that I can understand her giving a sideeye to the intent of the question.

Edited April 23, 2016 by KFC

[zoeysmom]

​Eileen having been married three times didn't come up, though. (At least I don't remember it, and was surprised when she said she'd been divorced twice.)

 

Eileen needs to stop feigning the vapors and realize that her affair with Vince is one of the most interesting things about her.

When she introduced herself at the beginning of when she started the season she mentioned a short marriage 8 months, the second marriage and then Vince.  Again, apparently LVP doesn't watch the show.

[WireWrap]

Well considering that's not what I said, no.

 

All I AM saying is what motorcitymom already pointed out: That Lisa Vanderpump's been frequently described her as calculating and two different people -- the uber-strategic, charming on-camera persona and then the dismissive, cold won't-acknowledge-you-off-camera person. That's not expecting her to form off-camera friendships with the other HWs. That's just pointing out the obvious paradox in what she presents to the camera and who she likely is.

 

And that as a result, Eileen was probably wary of Lisa's intentions when asking about the affair, because Lisa's questions are seldom (if ever) innocuous. I'm not claiming to know Lisa's intent in asking Eileen about the affair, nor did I ever. I never even said Eileen handled the situation well, all I said is that I can understand her giving a sideeye to the intent of the question.

Who, other than Brandi says this about LisaV?  Lisa and Adrienne made up, off camera well before Adrienne returned as FOH to the show. She has maintained a friendship with Camille, Joyce, Carlton (Carlton is still friends with LisaV), Taylor and Kim. They all go to her restaurants, get togethers time to time. She maintaines a real friendship with Kyle as well so I am not sure where these reports are coming from that she is dismissive, cold and won't acknowledge you off camera. The only person to make that claim has been Brandi and she is a proven liar at this point. 

When she introduced herself at the beginning of when she started the season she mentioned a short marriage 8 months, the second marriage and then Vince.  Again, apparently LVP doesn't watch the show.

 

Well, it seems that LisaV is not the only one to miss that  because I didn't catch that either. Add on that last season was so explosive with Kim/Brandi that many things said done early on would/could/were forgotten. Good grief, it is hard enough for all of us to keep things/facts straight with the benefit of re-watching episodes over and over again, I imagine it would be hard for the HWs to keep it straight and they lived it. LOL  

[thewhiteowl]

I'd give you even money on a bet that all these ladies are different when the cameras are rolling.

[Wings]

I developed my LVP negative opinion fron LVP.

Can't speak for Erika. Stranger things have happened.

 

 

I have a hunch Erika did not have time to get to know LVP  enough to form her own opinion.   I think she was prepped by Yolanda.  I never saw them try to get to know each other or even have one conversation, really.   We don't see all of the footage, of course.  

 

 

I'd give you even money on a bet that all these ladies are different when the cameras are rolling.

 

 

I would bet the life of my first born on that!  He is irritating me at the moment.  :>)

Edited April 23, 2016 by wings707

[KFC]

I'd give you even money on a bet that all these ladies are different when the cameras are rolling.

 

I've never heard of Kyle, for example, completely ignoring her other cast mates or refusing to acknowledge people. Yet I have, however, heard this repeatedly about Lisa Vanderpump.

[PhilMarlowe2]

Heck, Erika said in her TH and I think in her blog that she had no problems with the questions LisaV asked her. That they had a good time in that limo ride.

 

Erika also said at the reunion that she was not bothered by Rinna calling her video pornogaphic. I don't think Erika lets things get under her skin, but she did say in the limo episode that LVP was clearly someone who liked to be in control. She was clearly aware of being under a certain line of questioning.

 

Who, other than Brandi says this about LisaV?  Lisa and Adrienne made up, off camera well before Adrienne returned as FOH to the show. She has maintained a friendship with Camille, Joyce, Carlton (Carlton is still friends with LisaV), Taylor and Kim.

 

Marisa Zanuck said the exact same thing - that LVP was friendly on camera and then wouldn't talk to her off camera at social events.

 

Regardless of where things stand now, Adrienne, Taylor, Kyle, Kim and Camille have all at some point expressed opinions that LVP is strategic, manipulative or disingenuous. In the words of LVP herself, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

Edited April 23, 2016 by PhilMarlowe2

[WireWrap]

Erika also said at the reunion that she was not bothered by Rinna calling her video pornogaphic. I don't think Erika lets things get under her skin, but she did say in the limo episode that LVP was clearly someone who liked to be in control. She was clearly aware of being under a certain line of questioning.

 

 

Marisa Zanuck said the exact same thing - that LVP was friendly on camera and then wouldn't talk to her off camera at social events.

 

Regardless of where things stand now, Adrienne, Taylor, Kyle, Kim and Camille have all at some point expressed opinions that LVP is strategic, manipulative or disingenuous. In the words of LVP herself, "Where there's smoke, there's fire."

Marisa was not friendly to Lisa on camera or off. I don't think they got to know each other at all, so that may have been a part of the problem. Has she kept in touch with any of the other HWs since leaving the show?

 

Is Lisa strategic? Yes, is she manipulative, no, not unless the others are really gullible and stupid. I also think none of them would have anything to do with her if their allegations were true, especially when they are no longer on the show as they don't have to interact with her at all if they feel that way about her.  

Edited April 23, 2016 by WireWrap

[BlackMamba]

'Leen is getting real thirsty

https://twitter.com/eileen_davidson/status/723738059036987394

'Leen is getting real thirsty

https://twitter.com/eileen_davidson/status/723738059036987394

[WireWrap]

'Leen is getting real thirsty

https://twitter.com/eileen_davidson/status/723738059036987394

'Leen is getting real thirsty

https://twitter.com/eileen_davidson/status/723738059036987394

Eileen is such a child! Lisa was asking those that follow her to copy/print/sign/mail a letter to the Gov. Brown in relation to Yulin. LOL

[Wings]

'Leen is getting real thirsty

https://twitter.com/eileen_davidson/status/723738059036987394

'Leen is getting real thirsty

https://twitter.com/eileen_davidson/status/723738059036987394

 

 

People in the media have to use twitter to remain relevant or some choose to think that is an important avenue.  How exhausting to read and respond to that.  I get it that most of them are supporting Eileen but who would want that kind of fan?   Pig pile on LVP?  Yuh, that is a good way to do it.   OY.  

[Wings]

 

Marisa Zanuck said the exact same thing - that LVP was friendly on camera and then wouldn't talk to her off camera at social events.

 

 

Does this mean Lisa does not single her out for conversation?  OR Marisa approaches her and Lisa finds a reason to shoot off to the ladies room?  OR Do neither of them approach each other.   Usually things go both ways.

 

"LVP doesn't speak to me outside of the show" sounds like she huffs by her on the street and ignores her.  I doubt that.  A smile and nod perhaps but the cold shoulder, nah.   This goes for any of them not just LVP.  

[zoeysmom]

Who, other than Brandi says this about LisaV?  Lisa and Adrienne made up, off camera well before Adrienne returned as FOH to the show. She has maintained a friendship with Camille, Joyce, Carlton (Carlton is still friends with LisaV), Taylor and Kim. They all go to her restaurants, get togethers time to time. She maintaines a real friendship with Kyle as well so I am not sure where these reports are coming from that she is dismissive, cold and won't acknowledge you off camera. The only person to make that claim has been Brandi and she is a proven liar at this point. 

 

Well, it seems that LisaV is not the only one to miss that  because I didn't catch that either. Add on that last season was so explosive with Kim/Brandi that many things said done early on would/could/were forgotten. Good grief, it is hard enough for all of us to keep things/facts straight with the benefit of re-watching episodes over and over again, I imagine it would be hard for the HWs to keep it straight and they lived it. LOL  

You don't have to be strategic, manipulative or calculating to Goggle a co-star.  Look what they did with Erika Jayne, Camille and Rinna.  I think LVP is far too smart to walk in blind and not know who the next RH(s) is /are.  I do think that LVP and Kyle are smart enough to know they have to engage in meaningful conversation with a newbie to educate the viewers.  The worst ever introduction was Rinna  with the double birds. claiming Kathryn had not aged in 25 years (she has and well) and the awkward OJ reference.  So I don't buy when someone claims they didn't know a published fact about a RH.  I think for whatever reason, LVP dumbed down on Suzanne Somers as well.

[BlackMamba]

LOL... LVP doing a clapback at Eileen

"You can't let it go"

https://twitter.com/LisaVanderpump/status/723869632143052800

[WireWrap]

You don't have to be strategic, manipulative or calculating to Goggle a co-star.  Look what they did with Erika Jayne, Camille and Rinna.  I think LVP is far too smart to walk in blind and not know who the next RH(s) is /are.  I do think that LVP and Kyle are smart enough to know they have to engage in meaningful conversation with a newbie to educate the viewers.  The worst ever introduction was Rinna  with the double birds. claiming Kathryn had not aged in 25 years (she has and well) and the awkward OJ reference.  So I don't buy when someone claims they didn't know a published fact about a RH.  I think for whatever reason, LVP dumbed down on Suzanne Somers as well.

Googling and then remembering everything is different. I have no doubt that all of them checked out Eileen and Rinna (and visa versa) before filming began but that doesn't mean that they memorized every thing about them. Add to what happened last season during filming, I am sure that what they read was soon forgotten. As for SS, was Threes Company shown in England? If not, then it is possible that Lisa didn't really know much about her. 

[zoeysmom]

Googling and then remembering everything is different. I have no doubt that all of them checked out Eileen and Rinna (and visa versa) before filming began but that doesn't mean that they memorized every thing about them. Add to what happened last season during filming, I am sure that what they read was soon forgotten. As for SS, was Threes Company shown in England? If not, then it is possible that Lisa didn't really know much about her. 

Would you perhaps concede that LVP playing down knowing facts is perhaps her way of getting the pertinent information before the viewers via a question?  So why is it LVP remembers the affair but not that Eileen did not want to talk about it?  It is like the ridiculous claim that LVP had no idea her daughter's friend/her employee was screwing around with Brandi Glanville's ex-husband.  There hasn't been a mention of Brandi Glanville (prior to RHOBH) without tagging her with ex-wife of Eddie Cibrian. 

 

I am supportive of LVP in her statement that she is sorry about hurting Eileen's feelings and is not apologetic for asking the question.  If Eileen cannot accept that and choses to end a friendship that is on her.  At this point Rinna and Eileen are very guilty supporting and in Rinna's case twisting some of the facts.

 

I am supportive of Eileen for saying Kim misbehaved at her house and shutting Yolanda down on the "she was suffering crap".  If Eileen can accept Yolanda's effed way of looking at a drugged out person misbehaving towards her, Eileen, and minimizing Eileen's view, then I think she should accept LVP's view as well.

 

Eileen has complicated values.

[motorcitymom65]

Does this mean Lisa does not single her out for conversation? OR Marisa approaches her and Lisa finds a reason to shoot off to the ladies room? OR Do neither of them approach each other. Usually things go both ways.

"LVP doesn't speak to me outside of the show" sounds like she huffs by her on the street and ignores her. I doubt that. A smile and nod perhaps but the cold shoulder, nah. This goes for any of them not just LVP.

This came from Marisa in an interview she had done after filming ended, but before the season aired. She was asked by the interviewer about the other ladies, specifically about how she was treated as the newbie. She said that most everyone was very kind and welcoming. The exception she called out was LVP (and Taylor,who she didn't like). She said that LVP didn't really acknowledge her when the cameras weren't rolling, but was very nice to her once they were. She also mentions that LVP did some stuff to her behind the scenes, which she let go, but wouldn't have been able to let it go if she were asked back for another season.

http://allthingsrh.com/marisa-zanucks-interview-with-realitytea-says-lisa-vanderpump-is-different-when-cameras-are-down/

Edited April 23, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[WireWrap]

Would you perhaps concede that LVP playing down knowing facts is perhaps her way of getting the pertinent information before the viewers via a question?  So why is it LVP remembers the affair but not that Eileen did not want to talk about it?  It is like the ridiculous claim that LVP had no idea her daughter's friend/her employee was screwing around with Brandi Glanville's ex-husband.  There hasn't been a mention of Brandi Glanville (prior to RHOBH) without tagging her with ex-wife of Eddie Cibrian. 

 

I am supportive of LVP in her statement that she is sorry about hurting Eileen's feelings and is not apologetic for asking the question.  If Eileen cannot accept that and choses to end a friendship that is on her.  At this point Rinna and Eileen are very guilty supporting and in Rinna's case twisting some of the facts.

 

I am supportive of Eileen for saying Kim misbehaved at her house and shutting Yolanda down on the "she was suffering crap".  If Eileen can accept Yolanda's effed way of looking at a drugged out person misbehaving towards her, Eileen, and minimizing Eileen's view, then I think she should accept LVP's view as well.

 

Eileen has complicated values.

I don't know what Lisa knew about Brandi before she joined the show. I don't see Lisa all that involved with her employees private lives before VPR, I just don't. Did she know that Brandi was ECs ex wife and that SM cheated with him, it is very possible but I am certain that Brandi knew who Lisa was and that SM worked for her and that Lisa's restaurants were used during filming before she joined the show. All of the HWs knew that the story about Brandi, how she joined the show, was a lie made up by producers to introduce her as a cast member, all of them.

 

As for Eileen saying she no longer wanted to talk about the affair at the last reunion, I think it is very possible that Lisa didn't remember her saying it. That conversation most likely took place early the day of filming, well before the Kim/Brandi/Kyle fireworks started to go off and those fireworks made everything else easy to forget, it was that ugly IMO.  If Lisa did remember it, maybe she thought Eileen could get out her "side" of the story in a better light, Lisa did concentrate on the "romance" more than anything else. Was Lisa wrong to bring it up, Yes but Eileen was wrong in not stopping/shutting down the conversation, not being honest with Lisa why it bothered her/hurt her and not being honest about being "fine" after accepting 4 different apologies when she wasn't/didn't.

 

I have no problem with Eileen wanting to address her "feelings" about Kim's behavior at her home last season, none, but she is like a dog with a bone, she refuses to let it go, the same with Rinna. I think if Eileen "likes" you, she allows you to have your own opinion but if she doesn't like you, you have no right to any opinion other than hers.

[WireWrap]

This came from Marisa in an interview she had done after filming ended, but before the season aired. She was asked by the interviewer about the other ladies, specifically about how she was treated as the newbie. She said that most everyone was very kind and welcoming. The exception she called out was LVP (and Taylor,who she didn't like). She said that LVP didn't really acknowledge her when the cameras weren't rolling, but was very nice to her once they were. She also mentions that LVP did some stuff to her behind the scenes, which she let go, but wouldn't have been able to let it go if she were asked back for another season.

http://allthingsrh.com/marisa-zanucks-interview-with-realitytea-says-lisa-vanderpump-is-different-when-cameras-are-down/

 

She says that if Lisa likes you( basically IRL), she talks to you, otherwise she doesn't. So Lisa didn't like Marisa IRL, it happens.

[motorcitymom65]

She says that if Lisa likes you( basically IRL), she talks to you, otherwise she doesn't. So Lisa didn't like Marisa IRL, it happens.

Agree. It's possible that Marisa wasn't a person to like. That wasn't what the point was, I don't think. It was that LVP treated her differently depending on whether the cameras were on. If she didn't like her, why not just let that be known regardless?

It goes to the narrative that we hear time and time again: that LVP plays a role that she thinks will make her easier to like. That the LVP that the others see on a day to day basis is different and might not be so popular with folks.

ETA: sorry for the nice people who came to read about Eileen. I just realized I was posting in Eileen's thread and I should have been in LVP's,

Edited April 23, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[WireWrap]

Agree. It's possible that Marisa wasn't a person to like. That wasn't what the point was, I don't think. It was that LVP treated her differently depending on whether the cameras were on. If she didn't like her, why not just let that be known regardless?

It goes to the narrative that we hear time and time again: that LVP plays a role that she thinks will make her easier to like. That the LVP that the others see on a day to day basis is different and might not be so popular with folks.

ETA: sorry for the nice people who came to read about Eileen. I just realized I was posting in Eileen's thread and I should have been in LVP's,

Lisa chose to be polite/nice, she was never rude to Marisa on camera but she also wasn't all buddy, buddy with her either, IMO she never treated Marisa as a friend on the show at all so I can't be offended by Marisa's comment or find it as some indication that Lisa presents herself on camera in a way that differs from off camera. They were never friends on or off camera. Does Lisa try to put her best face on the show, control her own narrative....YES......but she isn't the only one to do that, They. All. Do. That. LOL

[BlackMamba]

How comical. Brandi is now talking to homewreckers

[WireWrap]

How comical. Brandi is now talking to homewreckers

This is so laughable . She forgives a woman who called her names, unkind names, all last season and threw wine in her face for no reason but will not accept any of the 4 - 5 apologies from LisaV. Go figure! LOL

[RealHousewife]

And to the second point, LVP has built relationships OFF camera as well (Joyce, Kathryn, Taylor, Carlton and she continues to work on her friendship with Kyle on and off screen).

 

Actually, Joyce and Kyle are the only ones I'm convinced Lisa seems to genuinely like. I'm not sure she genuinely likes Kathryn yet or just needs an ally for RHBH. What Lisa said about Taylor just this season didn't sound very friendly to me at all. And Carlton admitted Lisa was done with her once the show was over. 

 

I actually am not judging Lisa for not being close friends with all these women. I think most of us only truly become close friends with a select group of people we connect with. I DO think it says something when Eileen, Rinna, Adrienne, Kyle, Kim, Brandi, Camille, Erika, Taylor, Yolanda, literally pretty much everyone but Kathryn and Joyce feel Lisa is either "strategic, phony, Bobby Fischer, a hollywood friend, doesn't genuinely like them, makes mean comments, or stirs the pot."

 

I think Eileen sees LVP similar to how I do. We think she's actually kind of fabulous and does a lot of good for animals and different charities, but that she's not a girl's girl or true friend to most of these housewives. That's why Eileen and the others get hurt. Lisa is first and foremost a business woman. 

 

I feel so bad that Eileen is getting all this backlash. She seems too kind and normal for this show. And unlike some of these other failed actresses, she doesn't need RHOBH to be on camera. (I wonder if LVP is actually jealous of Eileen's success as an actress. While she may have more money than she knows what to do with, her childhood dream of being a successful actress never came true.) I'd love for her to stay just because I AM a fan and hope she can end the show on a positive note, but truth be told she doesn't need the money or the added fame and is too good for it. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

Marisa was not friendly to Lisa on camera or off.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way for you to know this unless you know them personally or were at the actual on-camera and off-camera events.

 

Does this mean Lisa does not single her out for conversation?  OR Marisa approaches her and Lisa finds a reason to shoot off to the ladies room?  OR Do neither of them approach each other.   Usually things go both ways.

 

"LVP doesn't speak to me outside of the show" sounds like she huffs by her on the street and ignores her.  I doubt that.  A smile and nod perhaps but the cold shoulder, nah.   This goes for any of them not just LVP.  

 

Exact quote from Marisa:

 

 

RT: Who Shocked You The Most Throughout Filming?

 

MZ: “Lisa. I thought Lisa and I would get along really well. She’s very nice on camera. She’s very nice and kind on camera. And she’s nice to the people she likes off camera. Maybe because I’m the new girl she wasn’t opening her arms to me, maybe she doesn’t like me; I don’t know. She does have this thing about her – a lot of the other girls see it too – where she’ll be nice on camera to you but then she won’t talk to you or engage with you if you’re at another party but we’re not shooting. We went to the premiere of the Housewives party and she did not talk to me or say one thing to me. I said hello and she didn’t say anything.”

 

Bolding mine. Again, "where there's smoke, there's fire."

[Umbelina]

moving this to the episode thread.

Edited April 23, 2016 by Umbelina

[Vicky8675309]

Eileen doesn't seem to be handling twitter well---insulting fans isn't the way to go imo

[WireWrap]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way for you to know this unless you know them personally or were at the actual on-camera and off-camera events.

 

 

Exact quote from Marisa:

 

 

Bolding mine. Again, "where there's smoke, there's fire."

I know what I saw, Lisa and Marisa did not get close on the show. It is that simple, no friendship on camera and according to Marisa, no friendship off camera. I don't find that odd. Also, for the most part, Lisa still sees former HWs IRL off camera. Does Marisa keep in contact with Brandi or even Kyle today?

[Vicky8675309]

now back to Eileen;-)

 

she's lost her mind on twitter and I just don't get it

[motorcitymom65]

I know what I saw, Lisa and Marisa did not get close on the show. It is that simple, no friendship on camera and according to Marisa, no friendship off camera. I don't find that odd. Also, for the most part, Lisa still sees former HWs IRL off camera. Does Marisa keep in contact with Brandi or even Kyle today?

Marisa said later that one of the reasons she was surprised that LVP was cold to her was that LVP had known Marisa's in-laws for year. On the show LVP said they were friends. 

 

None of us can really know if LVP and Marisa had nice moments on the show, since we see such a tiny percentage of what is filmed. The only thing we know is what Marisa said, which was that LVP was very nice to her on camera. I looked at the time and there was no mention from LVP or anyone else that she was a liar. It is certainly not contradictory to things we've heard from others time and again. I guess my only question is at what point would things like this become believable? Is there any person who could say something like this about LVP that people would believe? I'm starting to think not. I would have said it would be Eileen, since she was such a huge fan favorite last year, and surely had no reason to want to "take LVP down". It doesn't look like any of the other HW's are believable, nor are the people on DWTS. How many folks would need to say the same thing? I cannot figure out any reason for Marisa to lie about something like this. As far as we know there wasn't a reason for her to want to make LVP look bad. 

[WireWrap]

now back to Eileen;-)

 

she's lost her mind on twitter and I just don't get it

I don't think she can admit to her own short comings/failures. She hasn't even admitted that she, herself, handled the whole situation badly from the get go and that she can't let it go now, she is digging her heels in and may bury herself in doing so. It's like she started to come unglued during filming until the point where there is no glue left holding her together. I have to wonder if the loss of her sister, then DVP, her Mom having dementia and finally this last family member (a brother?) death in just a couple of years were too much for her to handle on top of filming this show. Maybe she needs to step away from this show and social media for a while.