Small Talk: The Quiver

[MaisyDaisy]

1 hour ago, Delphi said:

My real question is if kids these days do originally believe in myths,  does the belief stop sooner what with smart phones and internet everywhere?

My daughter only just got a phone, for her 11th birthday, and has a lot of supervision using the internet. But she got in an argument at school a couple years ago, when she still believed, with a girl that was from a religion that didnt celebrate Christmas, the girl told her whole year that it was all fake and that their parents were liars going to hell. I had already told my daughter that magic was specific to the family that celebrated, so she just thought the girl didnt realise that her family had some sort of magical covenant that was different from ours- hers didnt include Santa while ours did.

[SmallScreenDiva]

On 10/12/2017 at 7:32 PM, Mellowyellow said:

Anyone here watch Once Upon a Time?

Can someone pretty please tell me how they handled Emma and Hook since Jennifer Morrison left the show? I am interested from a shipping perspective as to whether they will give him a new LI or whatever.

[Primal Slayer]

On 10/12/2017 at 7:32 PM, Mellowyellow said:

Anyone here watch Once Upon a Time?

Can someone pretty please tell me how they handled Emma and Hook since Jennifer Morrison left the show? I am interested from a shipping perspective as to whether they will give him a new LI or whatever.

Well you certainly don't have to worry about ships getting crossed.

I was surprised at how they explained away Hook being with Henry. It was very Arrow of them I have to say.

[BkWurm1]

Spoiler

When Henry (Andrew J. West) called upon his family for help in Enchanted Forest flashbacks, Emma (Jennifer Morrison), Regina (Lana Parrilla), and Hook all answer the call — but so does Wish Hook! Remember that drunken, bumbling Wish Realm version of Hook we met last season? Well, he momentarily aligns with Lady Tremaine (Gabrielle Anwar) to make him look like our Hook in a bid gain Emma’s heart, which he believes will help heal his poisoned heart so he can then find his missing daughter. Yup! Ultimately, Wish Hook discovers Emma is pregnant, so he lets her and Hook-Prime return to Storybrooke to get their happy ending. It’s then Wish Hook and Regina who continue on this journey with Henry, thus answering the question of how O’Donoghue is sticking with the show, but Morrison is not.

Lol.  Confusing to someone that hasn't watched in a year but it works to keep Once's HEA

[Mellowyellow]

@BkWurm1 I scoured the forum and people do not seem happy though!

As a random person I thought it was a pretty good HEA considering one half of the ship left the show!

I'd be cool with that kind of ending if one half of Olicity left!

Not like on the Good Wife where I think they deliberately shat on everyone the miserable b@stards! 

[kismet]

I thought it was a good way to explain things. I'm sad that we won't get to have Hook & Emma together on the screen. But I'm happy they have their HEA firmly in place. And I like this new Wish Hook/Rogers, I'm curious though about his missing daughter, it will be a good mystery. Plus now he is not beholden to any previous plots. And honestly at the end of the day, JM wanted off the show; while CO'D wanted to stay, it was a smart way the writers could have their cake and eat it too.

@Mellowyellow, I think unfortunately a lot of Oncers are upset that they lost their beloved characters. I can understand their frustrations. Nobody likes losing their characters or show. I can relate to that pain having lost a few over the years. And while the reboot is keeping with the themes and storytelling, it is all new people for the audience to learn about. Even the holdovers from Storybrooke are not the same characters. It was very bittersweet to see the old characters last night. So they might be happy that their ship didn't get broken up, but that is not enough to make them happy about losing the pairing.

[tv echo]

I also thought it was a clever way to keep Hook & Emma's HEA, while still allowing some version of Hook to continue on the show.

My biggest problem with OUaT this season is the same problem I had with Fear the Walking Dead. As has been said before, you can't replicate lightning in a bottle. The Walking Dead's cast is great and Fear the Walking Dead's cast is a pale imitation.  The original OUaT cast is great, but this season's new OUaT cast (even with the holdovers) is a pale imitation. The holdover characters of Regina, Hook and Gold are also pale imitations of their original characters.

Andrew West (Henry) & Dania Ramirez (Cinderella) lack the charm and couples' chemistry of Josh Dallas (Charming) &  Gina Goodwin (Snow White), or the charm and chemistry of Colin O'Donoghue (Hook) & Jennifer Morrison (Emma). Therefore, it's hard to get invested in their relationship. It's also disconcerting how the show tries to repeat some of the same story beats of the original, but it comes off as less "charming."

Andrew West, in particular, is a big fail. And so much of the show now rests on his shoulders. I didn't like him on TWD and I don't like him on OUaT.

Edited October 14, 2017 by tv echo

[kismet]

2 hours ago, tv echo said:

I also thought it was a clever way to keep Hook & Emma's HEA, while still allowing some version of Hook to continue on the show.

My biggest problem with OUaT this season is the same problem I had with Fear the Walking Dead. As has been said before, you can't replicate lightning in a bottle. The Walking Dead's cast is great and Fear the Walking Dead's cast is a pale imitation.  The original OUaT cast is great, but this season's new OUaT cast (even with the holdovers) is a pale imitation. The holdover characters of Regina, Hook and Gold are also pale imitations of their original characters.

Andrew West (Henry) & Dania Ramirez (Cinderella) lack the charm and couples' chemistry of Josh Dallas (Charming) &  Gina Goodwin (Snow White), or the charm and chemistry of Colin O'Donoghue (Hook) & Jennifer Morrison (Emma). Therefore, it's hard to get invested in their relationship. It's also disconcerting how the show tries to repeat some of the same story beats of the original, but it comes off as less "charming."

Andrew West, in particular, is a big fail. And so much of the show now rests on his shoulders. I didn't like him on TWD and I don't like him on OUaT.

I think its a little to early for me to say that the new cast is a pale imitation. But they do lack the magnitude of chemistry & instant pull the other cast had.  I totally agree with you on the difficulty replicating lightning in a bottle. I'm struggling to find chemistry on the show. That being said, I'm gonna give it a little more time. I'm hoping that they can create good stories. I definitely think they need to find a good pairing for the show. It doesn't even have to be romantic... it just needs to be something that resonates. I don't want to jump ship too soon, it might turn around.

[statsgirl]

I like Dania Ramirez but Andrew West leaves me cold and too much of the show is about him.  The girl doesn't do anything for me either.  But the real problem I think is Victoria Belfry because she's lacking not just all the menace that Lana Parilla gave Regina but the logic in the storyline.  If the Evil Stepmother hates Cinderella so much why does she want her child?

Right now, I wish that there had been a reason for Hook and Emma to be separated and then get together at the end of the show rather than this tale of Two Hooks, one of whom may tunr out to be Cinderella's real father. Or something like that.

On 10/13/2017 at 8:40 PM, Delphi said:

My real question is if kids these days do originally believe in myths,  does the belief stop sooner what with smart phones and internet everywhere?

It's a problem giving kids smart phones too early because it limits real life social interaction.  Kids with smart phones, including ones in high school, tend to be 2 - 4 years behind pre-smart phone kids in social skills.

I heard a tech advisor give some good advice to parents:  what he does with his own children is give younger kids flip phones (yes, you an still buy those) so that they can contact parents and friends and vice versa, and hold off on the smart phones till they're 14 or older.

[kismet]

5 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Right now, I wish that there had been a reason for Hook and Emma to be separated and then get together at the end of the show rather than this tale of Two Hooks, one of whom may tunr out to be Cinderella's real father. Or something like that..

I think the writers probably wanted something else as well.... but Jennifer Morrison only agreed to one episode, and that seemed like a major favor. It would have been cruel to force a separation only to tease a potential reunion and not have the actor available/willing to come back. At least, they didn't kill her - that was my fear. Narratively, a lot of things might have been better - but this was the best they could do with reality of the situation. It would have been cruel of the writers to tease the audience. And wrecking their HEA, after they spent so much time getting it together would have been a major misstep.

[scarynikki12]

On 10/14/2017 at 0:36 AM, Mellowyellow said:

@BkWurm1 I scoured the forum and people do not seem happy though!

As a random person I thought it was a pretty good HEA considering one half of the ship left the show!

I would say the unhappiness has multiple parts.  There's the all around poor quality but that's been plaguing the show for a few years.  There's the lack of Emma, Snow, and Charming in general.  This episode was Emma's big goodbye (at least that's what they promoted) and she was barely in it.  Now, her specific story was better than any of us expected since a lot of us assumed that they'd kill her off or rip up her family and have any reunions off screen.  I know that, for me, I wanted to see Emma not only find happiness but relish it.  And now I won't because they didn't have enough sense to write that story while Morrison was still under contract.  A personal fear that I had when we learned the show would continue without Emma was that they'd pair Hook up with Regina, as I thought he was brought in to be her love interest and then they switched to Emma when Neal didn't work out.  Now, the version of Hook that's in Seattle isn't Emma's Hook but one from another realm, so they may still pair him with Regina so at least it's not at Emma's expense.  This Hook's existence then brings back the confusion from last season.  They went back and forth on whether the Wish Realm is real or not.  When Regina was murdering WishSnow and WishCharming they insisted that it wasn't real but then they brought WishRobin to the main realm in an attempt to give Regina a happy ending.  If that realm is real then Emma should have been pissed as hell that Regina murdered people and murdered the doppelgangers of Emma's parents.  But, when this would come up, they'd insist that it wasn't real so Regina didn't murder anyone.  But then WishRobin crossed to the main realm, ended up being the True Love of SplitRegina and they got a Happily Ever After.  And, since Neal was already dead in the Wish Realm, that means that WishHenry was left orphaned since his grandparents were murdered and Emma went back to the main realm.  So they couldn't keep it straight whether the realm, and the people in it, are real or not. 

Add in the general lack of interest in the new characters and plot and even something positive like Emma's happiness being preserved isn't going to be enough.

[tv echo]

I'm going to keep watching OUaT for now, partly because I'm also still watching Marvel's Inhumans (don't ask me why), so I don't have to change the channel.

But when Blindspot returns on Friday, Oct. 27, in a competing timeslot, I may jump ship to watch that show instead.

Edited October 15, 2017 by tv echo

[tv echo]

Why, oh why is The CW doing a reboot of Roswell?  Didn't they already try that with Star-Crossed, which flopped? Has The CW run out of ideas?

Reboots are never as good as the original, if the original was successful and had a decent cast. I thought that Roswell had a decent cast with enough chemistry and storytelling to last three seasons.

Usually the only time a reboot is a good idea is if the original was terrible (example: Battlestar Galactica).

I'm dreading the day when some network decides to do a reboot of Firefly with a new cast.

Edited October 15, 2017 by tv echo

[Chaser]

I’m pretty sure the original cast isn’t doing anything. A reboot staring them I would watch in a heartbeat. Not whatever this is. 

[Morrigan2575]

48 minutes ago, Chaser said:

I’m pretty sure the original cast isn’t doing anything. A reboot staring them I would watch in a heartbeat. Not whatever this is. 

I would totally watch an Roswell x years later show. I'd love to find out what happened to Max/Liz, Michael/Maria, Kyle and Isabel. 

However, I won't watch a reboot, no interest

[kismet]

11 hours ago, scarynikki12 said:

I would say the unhappiness has multiple parts.  There's the all around poor quality but that's been plaguing the show for a few years.  There's the lack of Emma, Snow, and Charming in general.  This episode was Emma's big goodbye (at least that's what they promoted) and she was barely in it.  Now, her specific story was better than any of us expected since a lot of us assumed that they'd kill her off or rip up her family and have any reunions off screen.  I know that, for me, I wanted to see Emma not only find happiness but relish it.  And now I won't because they didn't have enough sense to write that story while Morrison was still under contract.  A personal fear that I had when we learned the show would continue without Emma was that they'd pair Hook up with Regina, as I thought he was brought in to be her love interest and then they switched to Emma when Neal didn't work out.  Now, the version of Hook that's in Seattle isn't Emma's Hook but one from another realm, so they may still pair him with Regina so at least it's not at Emma's expense.  This Hook's existence then brings back the confusion from last season.  They went back and forth on whether the Wish Realm is real or not.  When Regina was murdering WishSnow and WishCharming they insisted that it wasn't real but then they brought WishRobin to the main realm in an attempt to give Regina a happy ending.  If that realm is real then Emma should have been pissed as hell that Regina murdered people and murdered the doppelgangers of Emma's parents.  But, when this would come up, they'd insist that it wasn't real so Regina didn't murder anyone.  But then WishRobin crossed to the main realm, ended up being the True Love of SplitRegina and they got a Happily Ever After.  And, since Neal was already dead in the Wish Realm, that means that WishHenry was left orphaned since his grandparents were murdered and Emma went back to the main realm.  So they couldn't keep it straight whether the realm, and the people in it, are real or not. 

Add in the general lack of interest in the new characters and plot and even something positive like Emma's happiness being preserved isn't going to be enough.

Last season of OUAT was so bad on its overall narrative and storytelling, I had completely forgot about the wish realm. Thanks for the recap! About 2 seasons ago I realized that knowing the rules of OUAT were useless because the writers just write what they want and change the rules as needed to fit their circumstances. It's no different this season. They needed a new version of Hook, so they just gave us one. I've decided to just roll with it.

I agree that the unhappiness is in multiple parts. For me, there was sadness in losing the original cast. But I think it was time. I also never liked that they made Emma the Dark One, for me that was a very close jumping the shark moment. I'd almost say they did jump it, they were saved by the net of almost cancellation. Without the reboot, I don't quite know how the writers would be telling a good season with the old cast. The actors would be giving it their best, but I think the originality/creativity of the writers with the original cast had run dry. At some point it runs dry, especially when you have multiple redemption arcs for every villain and then force your savior to go dark. The writers need to stop falling in love with their characters.

A fresh start is just what this show needed. Although not sold on the casting just yet, but I'll hold on. I've seen some on previous shows and they were good. I think the writers just need to find their groove and move away from exposition. Stop forcing the True Love element, when the chemistry is still very weak. Hook/Emma was not forced, but rather written from the actors chemistry. I don't honestly feel they were ever intended to be endgame when Hook was introduced. The Charmings were oozing with chemistry, but they were also falling in love offscreen (which is not common). I get that they want to write a romantic fairy tale, but the writers don't have those actors just yet this season. It takes more than a cute kid telling me these people were once in love. I get it was a curse, but the actors aren't selling the major effects of the curse either. Chemistry needs to be built if its not apparent or explain the absence of it. The writers are just expecting us to believe them. I will go along with them on the no-rules, but pairings require a little something more onscreen for me to invest.

[kismet]

3 hours ago, tv echo said:

Why, oh why is The CW doing a reboot of Roswell?  Didn't they already try that with Star-Crossed, which flopped? Has The CW run out of ideas?

Reboots are never as good as the original, if the original was successful and had a decent cast. I thought that Roswell had a decent cast with enough chemistry and storytelling to last three seasons.

Usually the only time a reboot is a good idea is if the original was terrible (example: Battlestar Galactica).

I'm dreading the day when some network decides to do a reboot of Firefly with a new cast.

It's not just the CW... it feels like every network is doing Reboot after Reboot, or another Spin-Off... And then just look at Broadway, almost every major new musical is based on a movie.

I think advertising dollars are hard to come by, so networks are going with what worked in the past. I also think there is a wave of Nostalgia taking over Hollywood Creatives. They are trying to capture what they loved when they were younger. I think the conditions of the world has a lot to do with people craving what once was.

Reboots very rarely succeed because if the original was good, people want that back. And if the original was bad, then it takes a lot to make it better. I think a lot of it depends on the source material. Are you trying to recreate a good story or characters or are you trying to recapture lightning in a bottle? Poldark is a good reboot because it has good source material and investment by the network. Roswell was cool idea, that had a good moment about a decade ago; but I think it was more do to casting than source material. But there better off just writing new stuff based on similar idea, with a strong focus on quality casting. Drop the idea of reboot and try to write a good story or batch of characters. Getting the original cast is always an option, but how much are people invested in catching back up with the characters? That's more a question for focus groups. Part of me thinks that a lot of these networks leak the potential of a reboot to see how the internet handles it. It's like cheap focus research for them.

[Starfish35]

6 hours ago, Chaser said:

I’m pretty sure the original cast isn’t doing anything. A reboot staring them I would watch in a heartbeat. Not whatever this is. 

Shiri Appleby is doing UnREAL.  Brendan Fehr was doing Night Shift, but that just got cancelled.  I don't know about the others.

[Kymmi]

1 hour ago, Starfish35 said:

Shiri Appleby is doing UnREAL.  Brendan Fehr was doing Night Shift, but that just got cancelled.  I don't know about the others.

Katherine Heigl is doing cat litter commercials, super busy LOL

[Starfish35]

Yeah KH's shows keep getting cancelled.  So not surprising.  And her movie career didn't really take off.

Looking at IMDb, it looks like Jason Behr hasn't done anything for a few years.  Majandra Delfino isn't doing much since Friends with Better Lives.  Looks like Nick Wechsler's been keeping busy though - does anyone know if he's still on Chicago P.D.? (I don't watch it.)

[Primal Slayer]

Wasn't Jason Behr pretty much blacklisted after he tried to screw over his agent out of money? 

KH really needs to learn that she doesnt need to be the lead, she could probably find success again if she were willing to do ensemble or play supporting. 

[NumberCruncher]

1 hour ago, Primal Slayer said:

Wasn't Jason Behr pretty much blacklisted after he tried to screw over his agent out of money? 

KH really needs to learn that she doesnt need to be the lead, she could probably find success again if she were willing to do ensemble or play supporting. 

Yep. JB sued his manager and he basically never did real acting work again. It wasn't a great idea in a town where the whole industry is built around the actor/agent model. 

KH was rumored to have been really difficult to work with even back in the Roswell days.  Stories existed that she always tried to usurp Shiri's role as female lead.  It got especially bad when KH started dating JB.  There's a big reason why Isabel's character was brought to the forefront in S3 when she was a such a supporting character the prior two.

[Primal Slayer]

Yeah I remember the Roswell rumors about KH and her mom being extremely difficult but everyone on the show pretty much hated being on it and were pissed that it got saved continually for 2 years so they would show up late and just be really immature. 

I still manage to like KH and think her fall from grace over not wanting to be nominated due to weak writing on Greys was justified on her part. Though I didn't agree with how she handled the show after that (complaining about long hours and suddenly just not showing up in the middle of S6) but she seems to have grown from her experiences so I want to see her succeed again.

[NumberCruncher]

That's fair.  I don't hate KH or wish her ill will (despite how my earlier post sounded).  I think she has sufficiently been slapped around for her blatant egotism and immaturity of her earlier acting days.  She even came out and apologized for being a terror to work with, which is more than I can say for so many other Hollywood actors.   It is unfortunate that she keeps trying to find a show that has some staying power after taking time off to be a mom to her kids only to have those projects fail time and time again.

Edited October 16, 2017 by NumberCruncher

[Guest]

Okay so random question but does anyone have an idea how long an iMac is supposed to last? What's their lifespan? 

Edited October 17, 2017 by Guest

[Mellowyellow]

More scarey Australian sh@t!!! ?

We're on holidays and these guys are here everytime we try to have a meal outside!

They don't peck but are incredibly pushy! We don't feed them but they are persistent!

@statsgirl I've fallen headfirst into the world of coloured gems! I'll post a pic of my next project when I receive it. I'm inspired by some incredible stuff the ladies on the jewellry forum have and I've learnt so much in terms of sourcing stones and working with budgets!

[lemotomato]

47 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

More scarey Australian sh@t!!! ?

We're on holidays and these guys are here everytime we try to have a meal outside!

They don't peck but are incredibly pushy! We don't feed them but they are persistent!

 

I'd prefer those birds-- are they cockatoos?-- instead of the crazy aggressive seagulls in my hometown, lol.

Edited October 18, 2017 by lemotomato

[apinknightmare]

3 hours ago, Angel12d said:

Okay so random question but does anyone have an idea how long an iMac is supposed to last? What's their lifespan? 

I've had mine for 4 years - it still runs like it did when it was new.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I've had mine for 4 years - it still runs like it did when it was new.

Yeah, I've had mine for 4 years too but it's starting to get a little slow and glitchy recently and keeps freezing. I really was hoping to get another couple of years out of it. ?

[Mellowyellow]

1 hour ago, lemotomato said:

I'd prefer those birds-- are they cockatoos?-- instead of the crazy aggressive seagulls in my hometown, lol.

Yes cockatoos! They are really cute! A long time ago one landed on hubby's shoulder and he tried to pat it. It told him off well and good with some loud squawking but didn't peck him!

[BkWurm1]

When cats are acting up they suggest using a spray bottle filled with water.  Wonder if it would scare the birds off or if they'd like it, lol.  

[Mellowyellow]

They are pretty fearless! They hang around the restaurants and swoop at plates as well! One flew off with a hunk of steak yesterday. Not ours but another patron's meal!

[BunsenBurner]

1 hour ago, Angel12d said:

Yeah, I've had mine for 4 years too but it's starting to get a little slow and glitchy recently and keeps freezing. I really was hoping to get another couple of years out of it. ?

I've had mine for 6 years. At about 4 years it started to get slow. I made an appt. and took it in to the Genius Bar. The guy ran a diagnostic on it and did his magic and I walked out with it no charge. It has worked great ever since.

[Delphi]

1 hour ago, Mellowyellow said:

They are pretty fearless! They hang around the restaurants and swoop at plates as well! One flew off with a hunk of steak yesterday. Not ours but another patron's meal!

So,  Australian seagulls then. 

[SmallScreenDiva]

3 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

More scarey Australian sh@t!!! ?

We're on holidays and these guys are here everytime we try to have a meal outside!

They don't peck but are incredibly pushy! We don't feed them but they are persistent!

@statsgirl I've fallen headfirst into the world of coloured gems! I'll post a pic of my next project when I receive it. I'm inspired by some incredible stuff the ladies on the jewellry forum have and I've learnt so much in terms of sourcing stones and working with budgets!

Might have to scratch Australia off the travel list then :P Two of my friends are terrified of birds. Made even worse when we were on a beach and a seagull plucked the hotdog she was eating from the other side of the bun.

[catrox14]

3 hours ago, lemotomato said:

I'd prefer those birds-- are they cockatoos?-- instead of the crazy aggressive seagulls in my hometown, lol.

All I he

 

3 hours ago, Mellowyellow said:

More scarey Australian sh@t!!! ?

We're on holidays and these guys are here everytime we try to have a meal outside!

They don't peck but are incredibly pushy! We don't feed them but they are persistent!

 

That's so cool.

I also keep hearing Mine Mine Mine Mine

[Mellowyellow]

1 hour ago, SmallScreenDiva said:

Might have to scratch Australia off the travel list then :P Two of my friends are terrified of birds. Made even worse when we were on a beach and a seagull plucked the hotdog she was eating from the other side of the bun.

I was scared of birds before I had my son.  He's pretty fearless around them and looooooves wildlife so he really talked me into not freaking out. 

I even managed to spoon feed my neighbour's baby parrot bird porridge for a week because their breeder didn't deliver their bird at the right time and they had a holiday booked while they were still in the spoon feeding stage.  A few years ago I would have been terrified. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, BunsenBurner said:

I've had mine for 6 years. At about 4 years it started to get slow. I made an appt. and took it in to the Genius Bar. The guy ran a diagnostic on it and did his magic and I walked out with it no charge. It has worked great ever since.

Thank you. This makes me feel better. I'll see if I can take it into the store. I just really don't want to spend out on it tbh. It's a pretty expensive purchase initially so I expect it to last a good few years, you know?

Edited October 18, 2017 by Guest

[ladylaw99]

I just heard the news about Gord Downie (Tragically Hip). 

He was a Canadian treasure and will be missed. 

He fought a good fight and may he now rest in peace.

[statsgirl]

He was amazing in how after he got his diagnosis he worked even harder to do what he thought was important.  Not only the new album and the Tragically Hip tour but the Secret Path record, talking Jeff Lemire into doing the drawings for the Secret Path movie  and the Gord Downie and Chanie Wenjack Foundation for the reconciliation of indigenous and non-indigenous peoples.  National Chief Perry Bellegarde gave Downie with an eagle feather and the  honorary aboriginal name, "Wicapi Omani, which is Lakota for "man who walks among the stars" for his support of native issues.

Gord Downie did more in the last two years of his life than many people do in the whole of theirs.

[tv echo]

This article was retweeted by WM (not sure how I feel about that, given the rumored difficulties in getting women directors to work on Arrow)...

Hollywood's Female Crew Members Suffer Harassment Without the Platform of Stardom
6:00 AM PDT 10/18/2017 by Carolyn Giardina
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hollywoods-female-crew-members-suffer-harassment-platform-stardom-1049766

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The accounts of Harvey Weinstein's predatory moves on A-list actresses have generated headlines. But for the growing number of women who work on film and TV shows in a so-called "below-the-line" capacity — on camera and sound crews, in editorial and music departments — such harassment is all too familiar and widespread. And little is being done to stop it.
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Others said they have had some success in reporting, particularly to their union business representatives. But one woman adds, "I would love the [Directors Guild] to feel some pressure, because whether they think so or not, the director sets the tone on the set. It is incumbent on them to set behavior that's acceptable." Another says that the DGA seems "bogged down in its own old-school boys-club mentality."

Edited October 18, 2017 by tv echo

[kismet]

I feel horrible about what is happening and has happened to the women in Hollywood regarding the HW scandal.

I feel there are two distinct problems that need to be addressed. One is sexual harassment/discrimination of females in the Hollywood workplace. And second is the actual sexual predication/molestation/violation of women. Both are serious problems that need immediate attention. However, I fear that in the hoopla of the moment both will be lost and forgotten about. HW is not the first male to be exposed. Sadly, I don't think he will be the last. And hopefully, he and others like him will actually face some legitimate consequences and victims will get some amount of justice.

I also hope that we can make actual strides to improve the lives of females in the entertainment industry and every industry. But more importantly actually reduce the predication/molestation/violation of women in the general world not just the entertainment industry. I hope women do not lose the momentum that this scandal has given. Sadly, I don't have faith that in a few months all of this will not just be brushed aside. It wouldn't be the first time, women being violated and harassed has gotten people upset only for nothing substantive to come out of it.

[statsgirl]

Sarah Polley wrote a really good op ed The Men You Meet Making Movies in which she talks about thinking after her encounter with Weinstein (she was 19) that she won't have to deal with that because she's going into directing, only to find out that there is harassment there too if you want to move ahead.

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When I got there, Mr. Weinstein wasted no time. He told me, in front of the publicist and a co-worker beside him, that a famous star, a few years my senior, had once sat across from him in the chair I was in now. Because of his “very close relationship” with this actress, she had gone on to play leading roles and win awards. If he and I had that kind of “close relationship,” I could have a similar career. “That’s how it works,” I remember him telling me. The implication wasn’t subtle. I replied that I wasn’t very ambitious or interested in acting, which was true. He then asked me about my political activism and went on to recast himself as a left-wing activist, which was among the funniest things I’d ever heard...

On sets, I saw women constantly pressured to exploit their sexuality and then chastised as sluts for doing so. Women in technical jobs were almost nonexistent, and when they were there, they were constantly being tested to see if they really knew what they were doing. You felt alone, in a sea of men. I noticed my own tendency to want to be “one of the boys,” to distance myself from the humiliation of being a woman on a film set, where there were so few of us...

The only thing that shocked most people in the film industry about the Harvey Weinstein story was that suddenly, for some reason, people seemed to care.

Edited October 18, 2017 by statsgirl

[bijoux]

Mo Ryan writes about being sexually assaulted as well. Show business is a fucking cesspool.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/columns/harvey-weinstein-sexual-assault-me-too-television-hollywood-1202591406/

[BunsenBurner]

20 hours ago, Angel12d said:

Thank you. This makes me feel better. I'll see if I can take it into the store. I just really don't want to spend out on it tbh. It's a pretty expensive purchase initially so I expect it to last a good few years, you know?

Just make sure you back everything up because they might wipe it. He didn't on mine but just a warning. It is very expensive but I do love it.

[kismet]

My sister and I got season tickets to Broadway Across America so that we could get Hamilton tickets, if we were gonna pay ridiculous amounts of money might as well see some other shows. Anyway, I just got home from Fun Home and it was amazing. I highly recommend seeing it! It had me crying and laughing. I did not anticipate it being that emotional. It was not what I expected. It was based about Alison Bechdel's graphic novel memoir about her childhood, identity, parental relationships, life and

Spoiler

her father's death

.  It was told in such an interesting way interspersing memories with an on stage narrator. And yes, it is the same Bechdel that created the Bechdel-Wallace Test. If you're looking for a good musical experience, I would put it on your list.

[Chaser]

I stumbled across The Marvelous Mrs Maisel. It’s a new show on Amazon, the first episode is free. It’s about a 1960s Jewish housewife who becomes a stand up comedian after her husband leaves her. It’s so good. It’s by the creator of Gilmore Girls. It’s got the fast pace dialogue but the quirky is toned down. Inside of a Stars Hollow, it’s NYC. The cast is fantastic, esp the Lead.

You guys should check it out.

[bijoux]

The trailer looks great. And you weren't kidding about the cast. Tony Shaloub, Alex Borstein, Marin Hinkle... I don't think I've seen the lead actress before, but she seems terrific from the trailer.

[statsgirl]

Does anyone have advice on computer batteries?

My HP laptop needs a new battery.  If I order it from HP, it costs $103.  If I order the replacement from the place Best Buy sends me to, Battdepot, it costs $21.

I can understand why a knockoff would be somewhat cheaper but 5 times cheaper?  I'm worried it may turn out to be sketchy.

Edited October 20, 2017 by statsgirl

[leopardprint]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

Does anyone have advice on computer batteries?

My HP laptop needs a new battery.  If I order it from HP, it costs $103.  If I order the replacement from the place Best Buy sends me to, Battdepot, it costs $21.

I can understand why a knockoff would be somewhat cheaper but 5 times cheaper?  I'm worried it may turn out to be sketchy.

Is it still under warranty? Using a non HP battery may void the warranty. 

I've used random amazon batteries in my digital cameras with few problems.