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S08.E16: The Final Alarm

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Chaos Theory

Chaos Theory

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Yeah I am tapping out here too.    I wanted to watch the funeral and it was all of three minutes.  The rest was cliche and dumb depression tv and really that is not why I watch this show.  I do like that Bobby was buried with his (first) wife and kids.   That was a nice touch.   The rest of it was.....yeah I am tapping out here.

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iMonrey

iMonrey

Wasn't this S08 E16?

I thought it was fairly well written and performed, for what it was. The subplot about the woman who thought her son was still alive seemed kind of out of left field, like it wasn't really connecting with Athena's grief in any meaningful way. And Chim's story got the short end of the stick because of the time devoted to that subplot. Otherwise, it was ok.

The problem is that nobody asked for this. So it doesn't really matter if the actors really sold it or if it was well written. 

I suppose there's an outside chance Angela Bassett could be nominated for an Emmy, since she's a pretty big star. She might even win. But network procedurals aren't really getting any award recognition anymore. It's all streaming and cable shows now. So whoever decided to turn this into a straight drama made a really bad call that isn't going to reap any rewards. It's not going to win any Emmys or Golden Globes, it's not suddenly going to become a critical darling either. All it's going to do is lose viewers. 

Nice going, show.

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Cloud9Shopper

Cloud9Shopper

SVU gave Mike Dodds, a recurring character who was in two seasons if that, a better send-off in the episode Heartfelt Passages than 9-1-1 gave to a Bobby, a longstanding well-loved main character. Insanity. It’s almost disrespectful. 

I’m done with this show. Good timing anyway since I plan on cutting down my cable subscription soon to start paying off my debt. 

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UGAmp

UGAmp

I’m going to continue to be DELUSIONAL until the end of the season that Bobby is still alive. There have been a lot of theories on social media that I think could have some legs (his magic blood saving him being the main one). 

My spidey senses were tingling ESPECIALLY when Athena said they hadn’t released his body. And then we never saw the body. AND after the other plot with the empty casket, I was convinced that Bobby’s was going to pop open and reveal that it was empty. The excuse would be he had an infectious disease; you can’t just bury it like normal. 

The prevalent theory was he was buried alive but I think that one has gone out the window since it has been over two weeks since everything happen (said in the show). So now I’m going with he is being kept by the military for testing, research, I don’t know.

And if the final seconds of this season consist of Maddie answering a call and the response being “Maddie, It’s Bobby. I’m alive.” I. Will. Freak. The. Eff. Out. 

I am holding on to hope until then. If the season ends with nothing of the sort, I’ll tap out. 

Again, FULLY DELUSIONAL but with this “my son is alive/the casket was empty” plot and a few other things (no new captain and it won’t be Gerard), it gave me a smidge more hope. 

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eel2178

eel2178

1 hour ago, Chaos Theory said:

I do like that Bobby was buried with his (first) wife and kids.   That was a nice touch. 

What was the point of Athena shopping around looking for a spot for him?

I would be almost certain that at some point in their relationship Bobby had told her that he wanted to be buried with his first family. Why was that even a decision?

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Joimiaroxeu

Joimiaroxeu

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Yeah, this episode left a lot to be desired. I guess we were supposed to be impressed by all the fire trucks lining the street as the funeral cortège went to the airport. Was that overhead view mostly CGI or were the producers actually allowed to block off several blocks of street?

And then I kept waiting for a jet flyover at the cemetery but I guess since Bobby wasn't ex-military that wouldn't happen.

With the story of the woman who was sure someone else's child was hers, I had to laugh because the typical soap opera resolution would've been for her to find out when she had IVF, one of the leftover embryos was implanted in another woman. That would be the reason why the little boy looked so much like her dead son.

Maybe one day we'll find out why Peter Krause became a persona non grata and got dumped by the show.

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

I thought it was fairly well written and performed, for what it was. The subplot about the woman who thought her son was still alive seemed kind of out of left field, like it wasn't really connecting with Athena's grief in any meaningful way. And Chim's story got the short end of the stick because of the time devoted to that subplot.

I think the story about the kid was about denial so that might have been for the fans more than Athena but Athena did seem to be procrastinating her acceptance. It did lead to some really nice Bobby flashbacks and Athena hallucinations.  It also makes Bobby saving the baby in S08.E14 more poignant.  He saved the baby then he couldn't in one of his earlier shifts.

As for Chim's story, I don't think it's over.  I think the last few episodes are going to be about grief.

1 hour ago, eel2178 said:

What was the point of Athena shopping around looking for a spot for him?

Probably so we're surprised at the end and for Athena to make a poignant choice. 

20 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Maybe one day we'll find out why Peter Krause became a persona non grata and got dumped by the show.

I don't think he became persona non grata.  They claim it's creative and while I don't agree with the choice, I do see how it creates some story. 

But many shows have been slicing their long time cast members to save costs.  Peter made over 300K an episode and was the second highest paid cast member after Angela. 

Overall, I'm curious to see how this reshapes the show, if it does.  Or if they're going to waste the big change. I've kind of always thought this made sense as an end for Bobby. I just expected it closer to the end. And I've also had over a month to accept it was happening ever since the filming of the funeral leaked. 

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dancingdreamer

dancingdreamer

I thought  this episode  tonight, was so well done. I started crying  when I saw Chimneys  tears, and I haven't  stopped 

I loved seeing  them all in uniform,  the way the camera seemed  like it was with them for every step of the way,from the sorrow to the anger, then honoring  Bobby Nash. 

I admire real firefighters,  they run in, when we run out. This show did them all justice.

Rip, Captain  Nash.

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Whodunnit

Whodunnit

Sigh. I miss the fun show this used to be.

Gerard was there. Yuck.

Eddie showed up after 5 days. No Chris. Said he should have been there in front of Ravi.

Tommy was in the background.

Was Maddie even at the funeral?  Did she volunteer to watch the kids or something?

Chimney was feeling guilty/drunk.

There was a case that allowed Athena to procrastinate, but the kid was dead so that was a downer too.

Hen gave Athena the reality check/excuse to break down.

Nice huggy scene between Athena and her kids in the house that's being built.

Solemn but pretty procession. I guess we know where the budget went.

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Jillybean

Jillybean

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Yes, Maddie was shown at the funeral.

The entire point of the case with the woman and her child seemed to be that Bobby believed he would see his children again. This is likely what inspired Athena's decision to find a conveniently available burial plot next to Bobby's first family.

And wow -- they were able to hold the funeral, fly the body and themselves to that gravesite, and have the burial all in one day.

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Raja

Raja

10 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I loved seeing  them all in uniform,  the way the camera seemed  like it was with them for every step of the way,from the sorrow to the anger, then honoring  Bobby Nash. 

I haven't been following the show but I knew Eddie left to another city. Is he no longer a firefighter? I was expecting another uniform on him.

Raja

Raja

11 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Yeah, this episode left a lot to be desired. I guess we were supposed to be impressed by all the fire trucks lining the street as the funeral cortège went to the airport. Was that overhead view mostly CGI or were the producers actually allowed to block off several blocks of street?

And then I kept waiting for a jet flyover at the cemetery but I guess since Bobby wasn't ex-military that wouldn't happen

CGI would be cheaper but for Los Angeles to seal off a few blocks, particularly on a Sunday is not that out of the ordinary.

At the airport I guess a firefighting C-130 and not the US Coast Guard which has a similar color scheme insignia. Was used. I was surprised that no one from his hometown fire department was at the internment.

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eel2178

eel2178

5 hours ago, Jillybean said:

This is likely what inspired Athena's decision to find a conveniently available burial plot next to Bobby's first family.

He most likely bought a plot for himself at the same time he bought plots for his wife and kids. This goes back to what was the point of Athena acting like she had to make the decision where to put him when he had probably already made it clear that he wanted to be in the same plot in MN?

My aunt was widowed at the ripe old age of 39. She remarried 9 years later and has now been married to her second husband twice as long as she was married to her first. Still, she has made all the necessary arrangements to be buried next to my uncle when the time comes. Her second husband has known that from long before they got married. I just can't see Bobby having done otherwise due to being in a high risk job and having an unsevered bond to his first family.

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Clanstarling

Clanstarling

13 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I thought  this episode  tonight, was so well done. I started crying  when I saw Chimneys  tears, and I haven't  stopped 

I loved seeing  them all in uniform,  the way the camera seemed  like it was with them for every step of the way,from the sorrow to the anger, then honoring  Bobby Nash. 

I admire real firefighters,  they run in, when we run out. This show did them all justice.

Rip, Captain  Nash.

I was choked up throughout, which, since I was exercising, wasn't the best thing to be. But I was moved. Even if I miss the fun episodes, I have no problem with a death on the show. It's part of life.

6 hours ago, Jillybean said:

And wow -- they were able to hold the funeral, fly the body and themselves to that gravesite, and have the burial all in one day.

Okay, so I did have a bit of a problem with the "body" - seems to me, that Bobby would have been cremated out of an abundance of caution given that he died of a terribly contagious disease. I'm not sure contagion goes away with death, or that undertakers would work on a body of someone who died of a novel deadly disease with no cure. (given Bobby gave Chin the only dose).

I think both Krause and Choi gave Emmy worthy performances (though these last episodes have been rife with great acting).  

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

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I guess the episode succeeded in its goal because I did cry and I do feel really sad, so I guess that's something. The performances were great and some parts of the episode worked, I am glad that they took Bobby to be buried with his deceased first family, but the emotion I feel most is annoyance. Anger, disappointment, and annoyance. This just sucks. 

I think that this was a huge mistake, the show now has this big hole in it where Bobby has been, while the show is an ensemble Bobby has always been its stable core and leader, and now without him the whole ensemble is shaken. Killing off such a major character is a huge risk for any show, and this is a show that has not really had any big character deaths before, I don't think its ready at all to deal with the emotions that would be needed to make this feel real. Even in this episode, we had to do a two week time skip to keep us away from the too real reactions of everyone as they find out that Bobby died, which is where you would think they would want to start in this episode if they really want to pull at those emotions. I miss when this show was a fun action show with some drama and likable characters, now its basically impossible for it to go back to that. I fear that the show will try to move on from Bobby's death too fast to get onto whatever stupid plot they want to do next (Christopher is kidnapped? Snake attack?) and its going to make all of this even cheaper. 

When a main character, especially someone who is arguably the main character, is killed off a show, I have to ask, is this death going to create more interesting stories, or stop interesting stories from happening? Why was this the creative choice? Tim Minear absolutely decided on this for shock value, which is a stupid reason to kill your main character, and because he's salty that his show is considered a fun popcorn network show and not some prestige award winning drama that wins tons of awards, he wants the critics to love this show not the fans. I suspect that is the reason behind the last few seasons turn towards melodrama (and probably the network change) and this is the same thing taken up to eleven. 

I get what they were doing with Athena obsessing over this woman and her baby, its very in character for her to obsess over a case instead of dealing with her grief, and I liked the flashbacks to Bobby( I honestly started sniffling every time Bobby showed his face) but I wish we had more time with the characters dealing with their grief. What we got was decent, but except for Chim and Athena I didn't really feel it all that much. The big firefighter funeral was very impressive but I was surprised that we didn't get a ceremony at a church, maybe when he was moved to be buried, his faith was so important to him, I would think he would have wanted a Catholic service as well. 

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Raja

Raja

17 hours ago, eel2178 said:

I was disappointed with that, too. I've always wanted to see what a Mass of Christian Burial was like, although I supposed I never should have counted on this show portraying it accurately. 

Well, they are generally around 45 minutes as it is a mass with a specifics for the funeral added. Many shows have been set at the committal/internment service where we just saw the captain's second family and a priest or deacon on call at that cemetery.

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Diana Berry

Diana Berry

23 hours ago, UGAmp said:

I’m going to continue to be DELUSIONAL until the end of the season that Bobby is still alive. There have been a lot of theories on social media that I think could have some legs (his magic blood saving him being the main one). 

My spidey senses were tingling ESPECIALLY when Athena said they hadn’t released his body. And then we never saw the body. AND after the other plot with the empty casket, I was convinced that Bobby’s was going to pop open and reveal that it was empty. The excuse would be he had an infectious disease; you can’t just bury it like normal. 

The prevalent theory was he was buried alive but I think that one has gone out the window since it has been over two weeks since everything happen (said in the show). So now I’m going with he is being kept by the military for testing, research, I don’t know.

And if the final seconds of this season consist of Maddie answering a call and the response being “Maddie, It’s Bobby. I’m alive.” I. Will. Freak. The. Eff. Out. 

I am holding on to hope until then. If the season ends with nothing of the sort, I’ll tap out. 

Again, FULLY DELUSIONAL but with this “my son is alive/the casket was empty” plot and a few other things (no new captain and it won’t be Gerard), it gave me a smidge more hope. 

If only that happens, the show  could say fooled ya.  After a season of ‘drama’ , we are going back to our quirky self.  Love  the idea of Bobby being kept in a  Roswell  xfiles type facility and Maddie taking the call.  It’s a nice dream. 

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marceline

marceline

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I thought this was an excellent goodbye for Bobby.

I’m glad they stayed focused on Athena. I was afraid it would become all about Buck. 

Chimney was out of line demanding the return of Bobby’s body without talking to Athena. I know this episode was about how differently they are all grieving but Chimney got on my last nerves lashing out at everyone. He was being an asshole to Gerard when it was clear Gerard was grieving too and the line about “I killed our last one, so I’d be very careful if I were you” was just ridiculous.

I admit that when we learned that the boy’s mother was in Leah’s prenatal yoga class, I wondered if Leah’s son could be alive so good fake out.

The conversation between Athena and Ghost Bobby reminded me of what I love about them. They were always honest with each other, so of course the Bobby in her mind said “Shouldn’t you be planning my funeral?”

The last scene with Athena, May, and Harry being there while Bobby was being laid to rest next to his first family really got to me. It reminded me of what Bobby said to her when he was dying, “LA was meant to be my penance, not my home. But then you said yes to a dinner invitation and I began to live again.” The character of Bobby Nash has come full circle.

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Crashcourse

Crashcourse

3 hours ago, marceline said:

Chimney was out of line demanding the return of Bobby’s body without talking to Athena. I know episode was about how differently they are all grieving but Chimney got on my last nerves lashing out at everyone. He was being an asshole to Gerard when it was clear Gerard was grieving too and the line about “I killed our last one, so I’d be very careful if I were you” was just ridiculous.

Chimney got on my nerves, too, as if no one else's grief mattered--just his.  I actually hated him in this episode.

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Irlandesa

Irlandesa

8 hours ago, marceline said:

He was being an asshole to Gerard when it was clear Gerard was grieving too and the line about “I killed our last one, so I’d be very careful if I were you” was just ridiculous.

I agree with most of your post except this part.  Gerard has been nothing but an asshole to Chimney while Chimney was under his command.

In fact, I don't think there has been any other character to undergo such drastic changes in characterization depending on who they need him to be than Gerrard. He runs the gamut from sexist, racist, homophobic, to asshole, to starstruck fool to...wise leader? He barely knew Bobby so wisened mourning leader rang false. I'm wondering if this was supposed to be played more for comedy but the actor (who I do think is good) chose sincerity and no one redirected the mood.

I'm just grateful Kenny Choi got some good stuff to do for a change.

 

 

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marceline

marceline

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On 5/2/2025 at 2:37 PM, Clanstarling said:

Okay, so I did have a bit of a problem with the "body" - seems to me, that Bobby would have been cremated out of an abundance of caution given that he died of a terribly contagious disease. I'm not sure contagion goes away with death, or that undertakers would work on a body of someone who died of a novel deadly disease with no cure. (given Bobby gave Chin the only dose).

I thought the same thing. I also thought that by the time he died Bobby would’ve had uncontrolled bleeding from every oriface. And since you mention undertakers, I was wondering which funeral homes would even be equipped to deal with this kind of situation.

I accept that Bobby’s gone but I hate that he died an ugly, painful death the hands of a cartoon villain.

  

On 5/2/2025 at 8:30 PM, Kel Varnsen said:

I am kind of surprised that the kid wasn't the stolen baby. Just because it not only means that Athena was wrong, but that the last call we saw Bobby go on, in the show was one where a baby died.

I’m not sure that’s true. I think we will see Bobby again in flashback as people remember him.

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Clanstarling

Clanstarling

22 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Chimney got on my nerves, too, as if no one else's grief mattered--just his.  I actually hated him in this episode.

I'm not sure Chimney was reacting without consideration to everyone else's but struggling guilt as well as anger that Bobby chose him instead of saving himself, so he feels responsible for Bobby's death, as well as anger at himself for being the survivor. It's a terrible mix of emotions, and it didn't really get on my nerves. I just felt for him. 

Plus, that mix of anger/grief/self hate made for a brilliant acting job by Choi.

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Crashcourse

Crashcourse

1 hour ago, Clanstarling said:

I'm not sure Chimney was reacting without consideration to everyone else's but struggling guilt as well as anger that Bobby chose him instead of saving himself, so he feels responsible for Bobby's death, as well as anger at himself for being the survivor. It's a terrible mix of emotions, and it didn't really get on my nerves. I just felt for him. 

Plus, that mix of anger/grief/self hate made for a brilliant acting job by Choi.

Well, agree to disagree because I think he made it all about HIM. 

Raja

Raja

3 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Well, agree to disagree because I think he made it all about HIM. 

Yes he did, and that was the point, as all the rest of the crew didn't know how to react and their captain who also understood what was going on tried his best to control an emotionally volatile situation with a fire fighter who shouldn't have been cleared to return to duty by the department.

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