Bastet March 12 Share March 12 On 3/12/2025 at 2:19 AM, mythoughtis said: I’ve watched every episode. Why don’t I remember a Reddit post and Maddy bumping into Olympia? Expand I think we heard about the Reddit post more than once, but it's referenced in the episode with the flashbacks to Olympia and Julian's first crack at the contaminated baby formula case, which is also where we see the flashback of Matty bumping into Olivia. Episode six, "Sixteen Steps". 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8604666
mostlylurking March 12 Share March 12 On 3/7/2025 at 3:57 PM, marceline said: Julie Hagerty! It took me a minute but that voice is unmistakable. She and Kathy Bates played off each other perfectly. Expand Omg that voice brought me right back to Airplane! which I absolutely loved. Why is everyone else dressed in corporate wear but Shaye is always dressed for a cocktail party? She looks fantastic but that irks me. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8605145
christie March 13 Share March 13 I loved, LOVED the sister, agreed with everything she said and was cheering her along as she read Mattie the riot act. Julie Haggerty and Kathy Bates really played well off each other. I especially loved her saying that this revenge scheme was damaging to Alfie and was Mattie's addiction. I'm confused about one thing (now, granted I don't really pay attention): Mattie was following Julian's footsteps on that day however many years ago and she came across the shredding room, which wasn't a shredding room at the time but a restaurant (I think they said) and then after that there was a stop at the women's bathroom which is how Mattie came to the conclusion that Olivia took Julian's card so, if the current shredding room wasn't the shredding room then, why does Mattie think that Olivia destroyed the documents? Or did I misunderstand the scene? As a final note, for someone who's so confident that she's not gonna get caught, Mattie sure is a lousy spy - yes, the whole "Alfie took the company car" lie is gonna come back and bite her in the butt for sure. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8605875
possibilities March 13 Share March 13 She decided Olympia is the one who covered up the documents because it's unlikely Julian or Senior went into the women's bathroom. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8605926
Bastet March 13 Share March 13 (edited) This episode really tested my ability to not get distracted and rage "That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works!" at the case, but I loved the stuff between Matty and Bitsy. I was excited to see Julie Hagerty's name in the credits last week, as I hadn't seen her in eons, but the little we got then couldn't have prepared me for how good the sister stuff was going to be in this episode. She starts out as just this ditzy fly in the ointment, but then we get a ton of backstory. Edwin is an idiot for not locking the office like Matty told him to, but I'm glad he didn't. I also enjoyed Edwin and then Matty's imaginings of who did what with the document, especially Matty not wanting to believe Evil Olympia, and EO casually telling her she and Julian probably just switched key cards, it happens all the time and, after all, nobody has noticed she's been using Julian's for days. I would think it's going to turn out Shae, not Olympia, was using his card, but they weren't having an affair 14 years ago, so how would she have wound up with it? Plus, it's supposed to be that she was still doing marketing for Wellbrexa then, it's right before Junior poached her, isn't it? Edited March 13 by Bastet 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606470
shapeshifter March 13 Share March 13 On 3/13/2025 at 9:02 PM, Bastet said: I would think it's going to turn out Shae, not Olympia, was using his card, but they weren't having an affair years ago, so how would she have wound up with it? Plus, it's supposed to be that she was still doing marketing for Wellbrexa then, it's right before Junior poached her, isn't it? Expand Maybe they did have an affair back then? On 3/13/2025 at 9:02 PM, Bastet said: This episode really tested my ability to not get distracted and rage "That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works!" Expand Yes. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606521
Bastet March 13 Share March 13 On 3/13/2025 at 10:00 PM, shapeshifter said: Maybe they did have an affair back then? Expand Thinking more about it, they could have been involved then, and it not been an affair, since the Wellbrexa case was how Olympia and Julian started dating. So if Julian and Shae fooled around during that case, it could have been before he had any commitment to Olympia. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606532
Nashville March 13 Share March 13 On 3/13/2025 at 10:11 PM, Bastet said: Thinking more about it, they could have been involved then, and it not been an affair, since the Wellbrexa case was how Olympia and Julian started dating. So if Julian and Shae fooled around during that case, it could have been before he had any commitment to Olympia. Expand One thing We The Audience need to keep in mind, tho, is that all the flashback tête-à-têtes between Julian and Shae have not yet been confirmed to be based on reality; they are simply the illustrations of what-ifs mentally concocted in the imagination of Maddy and (maybe) Edwin as they try to come up with a reasonable explanation for the circuitous route travelled by Julian’s cardkey, as reported by J&M’s security system. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606546
Bastet March 13 Share March 13 On 3/13/2025 at 10:26 PM, Nashville said: One thing We The Audience need to keep in mind, tho, is that all the flashback tête-à-têtes between Julian and Shae have not yet been confirmed to be based on reality; they are simply the illustrations of what-ifs mentally concocted in the imagination of Maddy and (maybe) Edwin as they try to come up with a reasonable explanation for the circuitous route travelled by Julian’s cardkey, as reported by J&M’s security system. Expand I know, I said I enjoyed Edwin and Matty's imaginings. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606549
Nashville March 13 Share March 13 (edited) On 3/13/2025 at 10:28 PM, Bastet said: I know, I said I enjoyed Edwin and Matty's imaginings. Expand Actually I was replying to some of the responses regarding Shae and Julian, and the potential for an affair back then - which I took primarily to be some (not you) accepting the depictions of Shae and Julian’s Deep Throat-style parking garage meetups as established fact, rather than fanciful projection. Edited March 13 by Nashville Punctuation 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606557
shapeshifter March 13 Share March 13 (edited) On 3/13/2025 at 10:42 PM, Nashville said: Actually I was replying to some of the responses regarding Shae and Julian, and the potential for an affair back then - which I took primarily to be some (not you) accepting the depictions of Shae and Julian’s Deep Throat-style parking garage meetups as established fact, rather than fanciful projection. Expand FWIW, I was just speculating too. But this is a good reminder: On 3/13/2025 at 10:26 PM, Nashville said: One thing We The Audience need to keep in mind, tho, is that all the flashback tête-à-têtes between Julian and Shae have not yet been confirmed to be based on reality; they are simply the illustrations of what-ifs mentally concocted in the imagination of Maddy and (maybe) Edwin as they try to come up with a reasonable explanation for the circuitous route travelled by Julian’s cardkey, as reported by J&M’s security system. Expand Edited March 13 by shapeshifter 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606564
watch2much March 13 Share March 13 On 3/7/2025 at 5:34 AM, andromeda331 said: I'm out. Five minutes into the show I was already annoyed with Matty, Sarah, Billy and Shae. I hope it gets better for you guys. Expand I agree. I really liked this show at first but am rapidly losing interest. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606571
Stats Queen March 14 Share March 14 On 3/7/2025 at 3:24 PM, Irlandesa said: Same. Except the way they presented it was as if this were an individual case but they talked about not having more plaintiffs. If he's the only plaintiff, I don't see how this can be a class action suit unless Olympia was hoping one win would lead to a class action suit. Expand Thats not how class action suits work, that was annoying. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8606649
possibilities March 14 Share March 14 (edited) Maybe Shae took Julian's card, just like Maddy did. If she worked for Wellbrexa back then, maybe she wanted to get rid of the documents and hope Jacobson Moore took the balme. Or maybe he gave it to her so she could steal the document and get rid of it. Edited March 14 by possibilities 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8607292
Shellgame March 15 Share March 15 (edited) On 3/7/2025 at 4:12 AM, Irlandesa said: I also liked Matty's sister. I thought she might have been in the original Matlock but I was thinking of a different actress. Expand I also thought this was Julie Sommars! Turned out to be Julie Haggerty. Would love to see Sommars or Linda Purl guest on here. Edit: Can’t get rid of this second box. On 3/7/2025 at 4:12 AM, Irlandesa said: Expand Edited March 15 by Shellgame Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8607714
Chicago Redshirt March 15 Share March 15 Matty has been operating on a number of premises, a number of which could be wrong: 1. The Smoking Gun Document was destroyed by Senior, Julian or Olympia acting solo. 2. It was destroyed on a particular day. 3. It could not have been Senior, because an e-mail shows that he was out of the country on that day. 4. It could not have been Olympia, because she doesn't have it in her. 5. Therefore, it must be Julian. 6. Julian's key card will show where he went that day and therefore will show that he was the one who destroyed the document. 7. Julian's key card shows that the key card was taken to a woman's bathroom on the day in question. 8. Julian was unlikely to have gone to the women's bathroom. 9. Therefore, it is most likely that Olympia accidentally swapped keycards with Julian and premise 4 should be abandoned. A character as smart as Matty would realize that there are a whole bunch of problems with each of these assumptions that make the whole thing collapse. Obviously, the suspect pool should be wider than the three attorneys and any combination of them or others could be collaborating. Matty doesn't know what the Smoking Gun document is, or even for sure that there WAS a Smoking Gun document, so there is no way for her to know the particular day it might have been destroyed, or if the "proof" that the Smoking Gun document was destroyed came before, at the same time, or after its destruction. Senior could certainly order its destruction while on vacation or through other means, as he could call, phone, fax or whatever the destruction from wherever he was at the time. That's even assuming the "proof" of his being out of the country is real; it's at least conceivable that if Senior did it, he gave himself sn alibi and plausible deniability. As good a person as Olympia may be now, she could have been a very different person back then. Not to mention that the person who ordered the coverup need not be malicious. They could be ignorant of the importance of the document or the ethical need to produce it, mistaken about whether they should turn it over, sloppy in their review, or simply a good person who made the wrong call out of ambition or any number of other reasons. Where the key card goes doesn't necessarily mean Julian was there. It could have been swapped accidentally with another keycard, Julian could walk around without his key card, somebody could deliberately taken his keycard etc. Even assuming that Julian's key card was at all times in Julian's possession on the day in question, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Julian went into the women's bathroom. He could have gone there for a tryst. He could have gone there because he got confused. He could have gone there to confront someone who went into the women's bathroom. Heck, depending on the time of day, he could have gone in there because he really had to go and was too lazy or it was too urgent to make it to the men's and he didn't expect anyone to be there. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8607804
Morrigan2575 March 15 Share March 15 It could be all 3 of them working in concert. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8607845
GHScorpiosRule March 15 Share March 15 Sorry late to this, but I was traveling past two weeks-regarding employee badge-where I work and have worked (law firms-mid to large)-they have ALWAYS had my picture/photo along with the specific number associated for me to access. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8607851
DearEvette March 15 Share March 15 Matty -- the woman who managed to, undetected, get herself into the building, onto the floor and into a meeting where all the top lawyers in firm the were discussing their strategy for a negotiation-- is relying on Julian's key card to determine who went where when? 1 4 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8607871
possibilities March 15 Share March 15 (edited) sorry-- posted this in the wrong thread Edited March 15 by possibilities Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608226
shapeshifter March 16 Share March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 2:35 PM, DearEvette said: Matty -- the woman who managed to, undetected, get herself into the building, onto the floor and into a meeting where all the top lawyers in firm the were discussing their strategy for a negotiation-- is relying on Julian's key card to determine who went where when? Expand Seriously!!! 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608422
Chicago Redshirt March 16 Share March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 1:37 PM, GHScorpiosRule said: Sorry late to this, but I was traveling past two weeks-regarding employee badge-where I work and have worked (law firms-mid to large)-they have ALWAYS had my picture/photo along with the specific number associated for me to access. Expand FWIW, I have two different IDs: one that allows access to the building, the elevator and certain doors within the building and another for a biometric scanner to swipe in and out. The building access one is a generic white card like the ones in the show, while the biometric scanner one has my picture and name on it. That said, I've never had AFAIK nor heard of a card that would function as a GPS and literally would say where someone was throughout the day (as opposed to "activated at this checkpoint at X time; activated at this checkpoint at Y time"). That seems horribly invasive and impractical to retain that much data for 14+ years for every employee. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608533
shapeshifter March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 1:14 PM, Chicago Redshirt said: That said, I've never had AFAIK nor heard of a card that would function as a GPS and literally would say where someone was throughout the day (as opposed to "activated at this checkpoint at X time; activated at this checkpoint at Y time"). That seems horribly invasive and impractical to retain that much data for 14+ years for every employee. Expand I thought the ID card in the show only tracked the "activated at this checkpoint at X time; activated at this checkpoint at Y time." But I haven't been paying close attention during recent episodes. Did I miss something? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608538
SunnyBeBe March 16 Share March 16 (edited) On 3/7/2025 at 1:48 PM, EtheltoTillie said: Same. The last few weeks I’ve been watching g and turning it off mid episode. Reading the boards. Now I can’t follow what is going on with the drug plot and I don’t care. Expand What has happened? Did they change writers? The series started out great, but turned. Not good, imo and I may be done with the show. So unnecessary. Edited March 16 by SunnyBeBe 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608584
EtheltoTillie March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 2:45 PM, SunnyBeBe said: What has happened? Did they change writers? The series started out great, but turned. Not good, imo and I may be done with the show. So unnecessary. Expand I have no clue. I think it was a bad idea originally that sounded like a good idea. It couldn't be carried out over the long term. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608589
Yeah No March 16 Share March 16 On 3/15/2025 at 11:58 AM, Chicago Redshirt said: Matty has been operating on a number of premises, a number of which could be wrong: 1. The Smoking Gun Document was destroyed by Senior, Julian or Olympia acting solo. 2. It was destroyed on a particular day. 3. It could not have been Senior, because an e-mail shows that he was out of the country on that day. 4. It could not have been Olympia, because she doesn't have it in her. 5. Therefore, it must be Julian. 6. Julian's key card will show where he went that day and therefore will show that he was the one who destroyed the document. 7. Julian's key card shows that the key card was taken to a woman's bathroom on the day in question. 8. Julian was unlikely to have gone to the women's bathroom. 9. Therefore, it is most likely that Olympia accidentally swapped keycards with Julian and premise 4 should be abandoned. A character as smart as Matty would realize that there are a whole bunch of problems with each of these assumptions that make the whole thing collapse. Obviously, the suspect pool should be wider than the three attorneys and any combination of them or others could be collaborating. Matty doesn't know what the Smoking Gun document is, or even for sure that there WAS a Smoking Gun document, so there is no way for her to know the particular day it might have been destroyed, or if the "proof" that the Smoking Gun document was destroyed came before, at the same time, or after its destruction. Senior could certainly order its destruction while on vacation or through other means, as he could call, phone, fax or whatever the destruction from wherever he was at the time. That's even assuming the "proof" of his being out of the country is real; it's at least conceivable that if Senior did it, he gave himself sn alibi and plausible deniability. As good a person as Olympia may be now, she could have been a very different person back then. Not to mention that the person who ordered the coverup need not be malicious. They could be ignorant of the importance of the document or the ethical need to produce it, mistaken about whether they should turn it over, sloppy in their review, or simply a good person who made the wrong call out of ambition or any number of other reasons. Where the key card goes doesn't necessarily mean Julian was there. It could have been swapped accidentally with another keycard, Julian could walk around without his key card, somebody could deliberately taken his keycard etc. Even assuming that Julian's key card was at all times in Julian's possession on the day in question, it's not out of the realm of possibility that Julian went into the women's bathroom. He could have gone there for a tryst. He could have gone there because he got confused. He could have gone there to confront someone who went into the women's bathroom. Heck, depending on the time of day, he could have gone in there because he really had to go and was too lazy or it was too urgent to make it to the men's and he didn't expect anyone to be there. Expand Thank you. You just organized for me some of the stuff that's been swirling around in my head over this. And this is only ONE part of the entire show, too. The convolutions and permutations are mind boggling and one reason I'm weary of this show and its premise by now. Is this what they think people want to watch today? Because this is not the only show that has done similar to me lately. And it looks like I'm not alone in being weary of it. It's gotten to the point that I have to watch it in the morning when my mind is ultra-sharp lest I miss an all-important nuance or detail and I've never had to do that before. And it's not just my age that's to blame for that either. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608618
EtheltoTillie March 16 Share March 16 Yeah, it's just not worth trying to follow it. There is no payoff. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608637
Chicago Redshirt March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 1:22 PM, shapeshifter said: I thought the ID card in the show only tracked the "activated at this checkpoint at X time; activated at this checkpoint at Y time." But I haven't been paying close attention during recent episodes. Did I miss something? Expand The keycard in question was being tracked at various locations throughout Jacobson Moore -- for instance, it was at a room that is now a shredding room but was something else back in the day. It was in Olympia's old office. It was in a woman's bathroom. Presumably, there are not swipe panels to access all these types of locations. It would be weird to have swipe panels by people's offices and outside the bathroom, and we certainly haven't seen anything to suggest at least contemporary Jacobson Moore has such a setup. The pilot had a swipe on the lobby, in the elevator and on the particular floor of the partner meeting. That seems par for the course. So for this part of the plot to function, the ID would have to work like GPS. The system would have to automatically track wherever the keycard was on an ongoing basis without swipes. 1 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608643
Yeah No March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 4:26 PM, Chicago Redshirt said: The keycard in question was being tracked at various locations throughout Jacobson Moore -- for instance, it was at a room that is now a shredding room but was something else back in the day. It was in Olympia's old office. It was in a woman's bathroom. Presumably, there are not swipe panels to access all these types of locations. It would be weird to have swipe panels by people's offices and outside the bathroom, and we certainly haven't seen anything to suggest at least contemporary Jacobson Moore has such a setup. The pilot had a swipe on the lobby, in the elevator and on the particular floor of the partner meeting. That seems par for the course. So for this part of the plot to function, the ID would have to work like GPS. The system would have to automatically track wherever the keycard was on an ongoing basis without swipes. Expand You're absolutely right and that's been bugging me too. I worked at big companies with keycard access and none of the copy/shredding/bathrooms/conference rooms required keycard access. It was necessary only for entrances/exits, elevators, stairwells (for entrance only, not exit) and sensitive areas like the executive wing. Also, as far as camera surveillance goes, that was only the case for hallways, building entrances, exits and elevators that I know of, anyway. I know of one case where an employee alleged that another employee hit her in a copy/shredding room but HR couldn't substantiate it because there was no camera in there. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608648
EtheltoTillie March 16 Share March 16 FWIW, lots of companies have key card or lock button access to bathrooms if they are in the public hallways of buildings where the company does not rent the whole floor. Although not the case in this show, I guess. Also, many law have key cards or codes for copiers because the attorneys have to register each copy batch to a client. YMMV. I'm just posting this for informational purposes, not that I think it helps understand the show, since I no longer understand the show and have stopped watching. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608650
Yeah No March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 4:47 PM, EtheltoTillie said: FWIW, lots of companies have key card or lock button access to bathrooms if they are in the public hallways of buildings where the company does not rent the whole floor. Although not the case in this show, I guess. Also, many law have key cards or codes for copiers because the attorneys have to register each copy batch to a client. YMMV. I'm just posting this for informational purposes, not that I think it helps understand the show, since I no longer understand the show and have stopped watching. Expand That's interesting but do we know if Jacobson Moore inhabits the entire floor? I thought they did. I've had to use codes for copiers but not keycards. I've never personally seen that myself. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608654
shapeshifter March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 4:47 PM, EtheltoTillie said: FWIW, lots of companies have key card or lock button access to bathrooms if they are in the public hallways of buildings where the company does not rent the whole floor. Although not the case in this show, I guess. Expand Yes, I've encountered locked restrooms, even when the company owned the entire building. Maybe they used to be locked back when the documents were being shredded? On 3/16/2025 at 4:47 PM, EtheltoTillie said: Also, many law have key cards or codes for copiers because the attorneys have to register each copy batch to a client. Expand The copier where I worked had codes we had to punch in to prevent different departments or students using the library copier as a free alternative to Kinkos. Plus it could be used to Fax long distance, which is still often required instead of email for medical and legal documents. Most of the free online services can only be used once, and your documents become the property of the service. On 3/16/2025 at 4:47 PM, EtheltoTillie said: I no longer understand the show and have stopped watching. Expand I was multitasking during the previous 2 episodes, with some of that multitasking including sleeping, LOL, but this episode seemed better — if you had followed enough of the other 2. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608659
Chicago Redshirt March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 5:00 PM, Yeah No said: That's interesting but do we know if Jacobson Moore inhabits the entire floor? I thought they did. I've had to use codes for copiers but not keycards. I've never personally seen that myself. Expand I was under the perhaps mistaken impression that Jacobson Moore inhabits multiple floors of the building that they are on. That may be based on my impression that BigLaw firms are often that big. But then again, I would have expected that at most firms, each associate would have their own office, and obviously, Matty, Billy and Sarah all share one, so maybe Jacobson Moore is stingier with space than I would think. At to floors, I am pretty sure that there have been scenes where characters went in the elevator from one floor of the firm to another. I also want to say that there was a stairway in an episode (perhaps the one where Sarah was part of the singing group at Christmas.) 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608670
chessiegal March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 5:29 PM, Chicago Redshirt said: I also want to say that there was a stairway in an episode Expand Stairways are required to meet fire codes. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608675
Chicago Redshirt March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 5:42 PM, chessiegal said: Stairways are required to meet fire codes. Expand Of course any skyscraper building has stairways. But in "The Belly of the Beast," Shae, Sarah, and other Christmastime singers were lined up on a stairway inside the Jacobson Moore offices. That to me necessarily implies that Jacobson Moore has offices on at least two floors, the ones connected by that set of stairs. Now, it could be that they only have part of each floor or something. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608686
Yeah No March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 5:07 PM, shapeshifter said: Yes, I've encountered locked restrooms, even when the company owned the entire building. Maybe they used to be locked back when the documents were being shredded? Expand Wow, really? All the restrooms? That seems excessive and I worked at a company with high security because it had confidential government contracts. I had to go through two security gates to get into the parking lot - one at the entrance to the grounds and one to the specific parking lot, and another to get out of the parking lot to the path to the building, then another to get into the building. And still most of the restrooms were not key carded! Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608691
Bastet March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 5:29 PM, Chicago Redshirt said: I was under the perhaps mistaken impression that Jacobson Moore inhabits multiple floors of the building that they are on. Expand Not mistaken; per the sign at the lobby elevators (that Matty studies in the flashback to two years ago), Jacobson Moore takes up floors 19-25. 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608801
Chicago Redshirt March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 9:10 PM, Bastet said: Not mistaken; per the sign at the lobby elevators (that Matty studies in the flashback to two years ago), Jacobson Moore takes up floors 19-25. Expand How do you have such great recall? I'm impressed. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608803
Bastet March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 9:12 PM, Chicago Redshirt said: How do you have such great recall? I'm impressed. Expand Oh, don't be! I remembered her looking at the directory in the opening "two years ago" scene and know the flashback episode is "Sixteen Steps" but had to pull that episode up on P+ to get the numbers. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608809
shapeshifter March 16 Share March 16 On 3/16/2025 at 6:16 PM, Yeah No said: On 3/16/2025 at 5:07 PM, shapeshifter said: Yes, I've encountered locked restrooms, even when the company owned the entire building. Maybe they used to be locked back when the documents were being shredded? Expand Wow, really? All the restrooms? Expand No. Not all the restrooms. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8608893
GHScorpiosRule March 17 Share March 17 On 3/16/2025 at 1:14 PM, Chicago Redshirt said: FWIW, I have two different IDs: one that allows access to the building, the elevator and certain doors within the building and another for a biometric scanner to swipe in and out. Expand For where I am working, the same card is used to allow access to the building, the elevator, internal doors on all floors we have offices, and the restrooms. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8609660
shapeshifter March 17 Share March 17 On 3/17/2025 at 2:38 PM, GHScorpiosRule said: For where I am working, the same card is used to allow access to the building, the elevator, internal doors on all floors we have offices, and the restrooms. Expand I retired in 2019, so it might be different nowadays, but our cards could be programmed or reprogrammed to allow access to different buildings and different rooms within buildings. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8609772
Nashville March 18 Share March 18 On 3/16/2025 at 1:14 PM, Chicago Redshirt said: That said, I've never had AFAIK nor heard of a card that would function as a GPS and literally would say where someone was throughout the day (as opposed to "activated at this checkpoint at X time; activated at this checkpoint at Y time"). That seems horribly invasive and impractical to retain that much data for 14+ years for every employee. Expand On 3/16/2025 at 1:22 PM, shapeshifter said: I thought the ID card in the show only tracked the "activated at this checkpoint at X time; activated at this checkpoint at Y time." But I haven't been paying close attention during recent episodes. Did I miss something? Expand I think two different things are getting conflated here: the security system access logs (which Maddy swiped a copy of), and a wiring schematic of the security system (including card readers) from 14 years ago which Alfie “found online”*. Most security system access logs are not complex beasts - they simply capture and record four core elements per log entry: What reader was activated. What card key activated it. When the activation attempt occurred. Whether the access attempt was successful or not. Now, I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that there may be some security system out there which might incorporate GPS tracking in some fashion, but (a) I have never encountered such in the real world, (b) the cost for such a system would be STUPID expensive in terms of both operational hardware and storage requirements (so much so I doubt anybody outside DOD could afford such), and (c) its value IRL would be minimal, unless the facility in question was doing something like moving card readers around so frequently they couldn’t keep track of them, or something else equally weird. What I understood to be happening was this: Edwin was reading the log and telling Maddy which readers Julian’s card had been used on, in sequential order. Concurrently, Alfie was checking the schematics and verifying that the current location of each specified card reader was the same as 14 years ago. If said card reader’s position had changed in the intervening 14 years, however, Alfie was referencing the schematic blueprint and identifying for Maddy the card reader’s former location - by giving her the corresponding GPS coordinates. (Which, since the vast majority of commercially available GPS systems are intentionally designed to lack the degree of resolution necessary to distinguish door positions within a building, once again lands us in the land of Hollywood Science…. 🙄) * Because, of course, every manual on security best practices requires system administrators to post their security system schematics on the internet in such a manner that any 14yo mouth breather with a laptop can download them. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8610246
Chicago Redshirt March 19 Share March 19 @Nashville My thought -- and it could be off-base-- is that no company would have that many swipe-points as suggested. Granted, as people have pointed out, some bathrooms have security codes to them. But an associate's office? Random rooms? All that sounds like they want us to believe the keycard functions like a GPS. Which as you've pointed out is from a science and cost perspective probably untenable as well. But I can more easily accept the notion that it is possible that a GPS-esque level of detail exists in Matlock world than a company would require swiping at a gazillion checkpoints. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8610973
possibilities March 19 Share March 19 I've been in medical offices where every door has a swipe point to enter. I don't find it too hard to believe that a law firm might also have that kind of security. It's a bit funny because they didn't do a background check and figure out Maddy is faking her identity, but it's not more than most TV shows ask us to ignore. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8611300
Nashville March 19 Share March 19 On 3/19/2025 at 1:32 AM, Chicago Redshirt said: @Nashville My thought -- and it could be off-base-- is that no company would have that many swipe-points as suggested. Granted, as people have pointed out, some bathrooms have security codes to them. But an associate's office? Random rooms? All that sounds like they want us to believe the keycard functions like a GPS. Which as you've pointed out is from a science and cost perspective probably untenable as well. But I can more easily accept the notion that it is possible that a GPS-esque level of detail exists in Matlock world than a company would require swiping at a gazillion checkpoints. Expand Valid points, all; by industry best practices, installing card readers at EVERY door is usually contraindicated, on several levels: Cost; those card readers ain’t cheap. Installing, configuring, monitoring and maintaining a card reader outside every door in the facility regardless of need would be stupid expensive in terms of both cash and resources. Flooding the logging system with extraneous input data from dozens(?) of unnecessary card readers runs you quickly into a wall of diminishing returns, because over time NOBODY is going to continually monitor those logs with adequate due diligence - the signal-to-noise ratio simply gets too low. Security log review will quickly become a perfunctory check-off of a bureaucratic ritual, and any wheat will end up getting buried in the chaff. Drowning the system with readers is also contrary to ensuring critical-path-only access to areas designated for elevated security; the more pathways you create by which secure areas can be accessed, the less chance access attempts (legitimate and spurious) will stand out for review. In any case, I really doubt even a high-priced legal firm requires more intense security monitoring than most federal facilities - unless knowledge of the fact Belvin invariably hits the 20th floor ladies room 15 minutes after returning from lunch does in fact constitute a major element of business intelligence, and I am simply not yet aware of its significance. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8611322
Chicago Redshirt March 19 Share March 19 On 3/19/2025 at 5:33 PM, possibilities said: I've been in medical offices where every door has a swipe point to enter. I don't find it too hard to believe that a law firm might also have that kind of security. It's a bit funny because they didn't do a background check and figure out Maddy is faking her identity, but it's not more than most TV shows ask us to ignore. Expand I just rewatched the pilot and Olympia said that Matty passed her background check, so either Matty did a better job creating her fake profile than I thought, Olympia was mistaken about that, or Jacobson Moore sucks at background checks. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/152211-s01e14-game-day/page/2/#findComment-8611523
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